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Boog Powell

Eligible in 1983.

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 07, 2006 at 01:11 AM | 63 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 07, 2006 at 01:14 AM (#2129635)
Not, boo...BOOOOOOG!
   2. Juan V Posted: August 07, 2006 at 01:25 AM (#2129666)
A first ballot choice for the Hall of Great Baseball Names.
   3. OCF Posted: August 07, 2006 at 01:31 AM (#2129677)
A first ballot choice for the Hall of Great Baseball Names.

I think to be eligible for that, you should be a good player with a substantial career - which Powell was. There are so many others who never quite made it: Billy Jo Robidoux, Arquimedez Pozo, ...
   4. DavidFoss Posted: August 07, 2006 at 02:44 AM (#2129813)
Billy Jo Robidoux, Arquimedez Pozo

Bombo Rivera!
   5. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 07, 2006 at 02:48 AM (#2129818)
Shooty Babitt!!
   6. sunnyday2 Posted: August 07, 2006 at 02:56 AM (#2129830)
For the record, my list of 1B through 1983:

1. Musial
2. Gehrig
3. Foxx
4. Brouthers
5. Anson
6. Mize
(Mark McGwire will go here somebody, BTW)
7. Greenberg
8. Killebrew
9. Connor
10. Terry

11. Sisler
12. Allen
13. Cepeda
14. McVey
(In/out line is about here)
15. Hodges
16. Orr
17. Chance
18. Cash
19. Bottomley
20. Fournier

21. Camilli
22. H. Davis
23. Vernon
24. York
25. McCormick
26. Powell
27. Kluszewski
28. Konetchy
29. H. Larkin
30. B. White

(Joe Start goes about here from a purely numerical standpoint, but some of you will recall that I had him rated more highly than that, taking the more subjective evidence into account.)
   7. DavidFoss Posted: August 07, 2006 at 02:59 AM (#2129839)
I found a great quote on several sites:

Boog Powell once commented, "You make one Lite commercial, it's like then everyone forgets you played ball for 20 years."


That's especially true for me because I'm not old enough to remember him playing, but I'm old enough for the commercials. :-)
   8. sunnyday2 Posted: August 07, 2006 at 03:02 AM (#2129845)
To me, he was maybe Mo Vaughan. He was IOW no Cecil Fielder.
   9. DanG Posted: August 07, 2006 at 03:07 AM (#2129852)
the Hall of Great Baseball Names.

Jennings Poindexter
Drungo La Rue Hazewood
   10. SuperGrover Posted: August 07, 2006 at 05:33 AM (#2129913)
Sixto Lezcano. First ballot easy.
   11. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 07, 2006 at 05:43 AM (#2129917)
Boog's BBQ Pit has some good food.
   12. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: August 07, 2006 at 12:44 PM (#2129993)
I've been waiting for about 20 elections to post this!!!!

(with apologies to Bob Zimmerman)

JOHN WESLEY POWELL

John Wesley Powell
Was a friend to Baltimore,
He traveled with a bat in ev'ry hand.
All along the American League,
He rattled many a nerve,
For he was never known
To miss a hanging curve.

'Twas down in Oriole Country,
the time they talk about,
With the Robinsons on base
He took his stance.
And soon the pitch he got
Was all but straightened out,
He was never known
for leaving any doubt.

All across the Sporting News
His name it did resound,
And no fastball thrown against him
Could be saved.
And there was no man around
Need bother knock him down,
It was thought he knew
the next pitch anyway.
   13. DL from MN Posted: August 07, 2006 at 01:47 PM (#2130029)
I have Boog even with Chuck Klein. I'm not sure what that means exactly.
   14. yest Posted: August 07, 2006 at 02:15 PM (#2130056)
I'm not sure what that means exactly.
your seaverly under rating Chuck Klein and overratiting Boog Powell
   15. OCF Posted: August 07, 2006 at 08:40 PM (#2130548)
If Boog Powell and Bombo Rivera are great baseball names, what does it take to be a bad baseball name?

One thing that dooms a name is being commonplace. Take Alex Rodriguez. The world is awash with players named Alex, especially from Spanish-speaking households. And Rodriguez has to be one of the handful of most common Spanish family names. The only thing that distinguishes Alex Rodriguez from Alex Gonzalez (and Alex Gonzalez) is how he played, not his name.

Sometimes a name is wrong because it's already taken: how about Bob Gibson, 80's LHP, mostly for Milwaukee, 270 career innings of 94 ERA+? Of course when the second exceeds the first ... where does that leave Frank Thomas, outfielder?

"Willie Wilson" doesn't have that much going for it - except the second one had to be given a nickname and became Mookie.

---

Side question about Powell's name: how many players can you think of with a "oo" sound in their names became popular fan chants (that you had to understand were not boos)? Certainly, that applies to Lou Brock.
   16. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: August 07, 2006 at 08:55 PM (#2130572)
I've got Boog Powell ahead of Cepeda at least. Better hitter + Better Fielder = Better Player, if if he has 885 fewer PA. I've got him way ahead of Vernon, Camilli, Hodges, etc.
   17. DL from MN Posted: August 07, 2006 at 08:58 PM (#2130576)
Lew Ford
Boof Bonser
   18. sunnyday2 Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:07 PM (#2130591)
Lou Piniella
   19. OCF Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:13 PM (#2130604)
I take it that post #17 and #18 have to do with "oo" sounds from the fans?
   20. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:15 PM (#2130606)
Side question about Powell's name: how many players can you think of with a "oo" sound in their names became popular fan chants (that you had to understand were not boos)? Certainly, that applies to Lou Brock.

Lou (Piniella or Whitaker)
Youkilis
Mookie?
   21. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:15 PM (#2130607)
If Boog Powell and Bombo Rivera are great baseball names, what does it take to be a bad baseball name?

Mixing ethnicities like Juan Eichleberger or Vladimir Guerrero, or having a baseball term in your name inconguous with your skills like Homer Bush (he didn't) or Cecil Fielder (he couldn't).
   22. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:17 PM (#2130609)
how many players can you think of with a "oo" sound in their names became popular fan chants (that you had to understand were not boos)?

Goooooooooooooose!
   23. sunnyday2 Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:17 PM (#2130610)
>Lew Ford
Boof Bonser

For a second, i thought this was a response re. horsebleep base runners for the Twins. But I doubt if Boof has ever been on base. Lew-Lew on the other hand makes Torii look like a really great base runner.
   24. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:18 PM (#2130612)
Extremely popular first name + extremely common last name = boring (Steve Smith)

-ski and -witz = often fun

Ray Jablownski
Billy Grabarkawitz
Rip Repulski
Hank Majeski
   25. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:20 PM (#2130615)
I'm surprised no one's brough up Van Lingle Mungo <strike>Jerry</strike> yet.

Kiki Cuyler was about the only player in history who's given first and middle names could have been improved upon by the nickname "Kiki."
   26. sunnyday2 Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:20 PM (#2130617)
Khalid Green
Sufjan Stevens
   27. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:28 PM (#2130631)
-ski and -witz = often fun

Witness Doug Eyechart and AJ Pierogi
   28. jimd Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:40 PM (#2130650)
how many players can you think of with a "oo" sound in their names became popular fan chants

Doooooooo-ey (Dwight Evans)

How far in time does "booing" go back?
Did they go "Boooooooth" when Ed Booth of the Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) came to the plate?
   29. JPWF13 Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:42 PM (#2130651)
I'm not sure what that means exactly.
your seaverly under rating Chuck Klein and overratiting Boog Powell


? Ok, Tom Seaver as an adjective? But is that Seaver the announcer, or Seaver the pitcher?
and over-ratiting? So you mean Boog is being overly compared to an Ostritch or Emu?

anywho

Klein, OPS+ of 137 in 7168 PA
Boog: 134 in 7810 PA

yeah, about the same- except having seen Klein's Home Raod splits in Total Baseball, I don't think Klein's a true 137, I think he took advantage of the Baker Bowl to an unusual degree, leaving the Baker Bowl his offense dropped off like Vinny Castilla(highest non-Coors OPS+ 101) leaving Colorado not like Burks leaving Colorado, iow in a real park he'd put up a 120 or somthing
   30. Juan V Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:42 PM (#2130654)
or having a baseball term in your name inconguous with your skills like Homer Bush (he didn't) or Cecil Fielder (he couldn't).


I´d say the irony makes them good :)
   31. BDC Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:53 PM (#2130663)
players can you think of with a "oo" sound

The Rangers' PA announcer used to introduce Steve Buechele with an exaggerated vowel: "Boooo-oooo-shell!" Ranger fans were pretty much uninterested in Buechele, though, for good reasons.
   32. OCF Posted: August 07, 2006 at 09:57 PM (#2130667)
There was the unfortunately named Bob Walk. (Nothing extreme about his BB rate but it looks maybe a little worse than league average.)

Then there's the excessive curvature needed to wrap a 12-letter name onto the back of a skinny middle infielder (Schoendienst).

Bill James once repeated a friend's observation that all the baseball players named "White" were black, and the ones named "Black" were white.
   33. A triple short of the cycle Posted: August 07, 2006 at 11:11 PM (#2130720)
There's Mike Mooooooooose Mussina.
   34. A triple short of the cycle Posted: August 07, 2006 at 11:14 PM (#2130724)
Ray Jablownski
Billy Grabarkawitz
Rip Repulski
Hank Majeski


And a HOFer with an even more boggling name: Mr. Carl Yastrzemski.
   35. GotowarMissAgnes Posted: August 07, 2006 at 11:47 PM (#2130741)
"There are only two things that will prevent him from greatness: a knife and a fork." - Frank Lane, on Boog Powell
   36. GotowarMissAgnes Posted: August 07, 2006 at 11:50 PM (#2130743)
Mystery Science Theatre:

Quote From Episode 621: The Beast Of Yucca Flats

Mike
I had a vision I was chased through the desert by Boog Powell.
   37. GotowarMissAgnes Posted: August 07, 2006 at 11:56 PM (#2130747)
How about a baseball marriage? If Boog Powell married Felipe Alou, he'd be Boog Alou.
   38. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: August 08, 2006 at 01:05 AM (#2130801)
How about a baseball marriage? If Boog Powell married Felipe Alou, he'd be Boog Alou.

I've long looked forward to a modern baseball marriage resulting in

Ken McGriffey Jr.

Then there's the excessive curvature needed to wrap a 12-letter name onto the back of a skinny middle infielder (Schoendienst).

Two words: Kirk Dressendorfer. Both Kirk and Red's surnames are German....
   39. OCF Posted: August 08, 2006 at 01:17 AM (#2130828)
Dressendorfer is listed as 5'11", 190 lbs. I had to look him up: appears to have started the 1991 season as a 22-year-old rookie in the A's rotation. Wasn't great (ERA+ 71 in 7 starts), got sent down, never played in the majors again. I suppose there's a story there.

Schoendienst is listed at 6'0", 170 lbs. I only remember him as a manager, not a player, but he didn't appear to have gained much if any weight in middle age. So Red's skinny back was the smaller canvas for the big name, even at one fewer letter.
   40. sunnyday2 Posted: August 08, 2006 at 01:20 AM (#2130831)
>If Boog Powell married Felipe Alou, he'd be Boog Alou.

OK, I haven't laughed that hard in a while.
   41. DCW3 Posted: August 08, 2006 at 07:05 AM (#2131039)
how many players can you think of with a "oo" sound in their names became popular fan chants (that you had to understand were not boos)?

J.D. Droooooooooooooo....
   42. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: August 08, 2006 at 09:34 AM (#2131056)
Dressendorfer is listed as 5'11", 190 lbs. I had to look him up: appears to have started the 1991 season as a 22-year-old rookie in the A's rotation. Wasn't great (ERA+ 71 in 7 starts), got sent down, never played in the majors again. I suppose there's a story there.

Blew out his arm, wasn't able to come back from the injuries.

Not unlike a contemporary with a similarly lengthy last name, Scott Chiamparino.
   43. OCF Posted: August 08, 2006 at 06:40 PM (#2131568)
Back to the player at hand. We're entering a time in which it's imperative for most teams to have a first baseman who can hit, and we get a long string of them who do that job, at least for a few years: A. Davis, G. Davis, Cooper, Thornton, Mayberry, ... . The list goes on. Eddie Murray has been in the league for 6 years now, is still just 26 years old, and just turned in a 30 HR, 110 RBI, 156 OPS+ year, which is what he would have done the year before without the strike. Powell's better than most of these guys (he did play through the "little dead ball days" in a pitchers park), but not enough better for me to put him on the ballot. On the other hand, with such an influx of good 1B in sight, it may be time for me to start slowly backing away from my inexplicable to the rest of you fascination with Mickey Vernon. (I had Vernon 25th last year - already well off ballot. He's not coming back from there.)
   44. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 08, 2006 at 06:53 PM (#2131587)
Then there's this guy.

Honus Wagner told a story about the day that Booe was sent up to pinch-hit with umpire Bill Klem behind the plate. In those days, the umpire announced all substitutes to the press box. Klem didn't recognize the kid, and asked him what his name was; he replied "Booe". Klem asked him to repeat it, the kid raised his voice and said "Booe!" again - whereupon Klem got huffy, thinking the kid was playing some sort of joke, and ejected him. Fred Clarke had to come out of the dugout with lineup card in hand to show Klem that he really did have a player named Booe.

It's a good story, but I don't believe it's true. I can't imagine that Klem wouldn't have checked his lineup card before the game and seen the name "Booe" on it.

Booe, by the way, made his major league debut in Chicago as a pinch-hitter, and got a single in his first ML AB.

-- MWE
   45. Paul Wendt Posted: August 09, 2006 at 08:48 PM (#2133763)
One thing that dooms a name is being commonplace. Take Alex Rodriguez. The world is awash with players named Alex, especially from Spanish-speaking households.

There were two Alejandros from Chile in one of my grad school classes, so I have supposed that it is a common name. But neither one was Alex. The only Alex was surnamed Viskovatoff.

> how many players can you think of with a "oo" sound in their names became popular fan chants

How far in time does "booing" go back?
Did they go "Boooooooth" when Ed Booth of the Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) came to the plate?


On the other hand, was Boog the model?
Did fans or only announcers swooon for Wally Moon?
   46. Jose Canusee Posted: August 09, 2006 at 08:56 PM (#2133782)
Ooo-ooh
Vida Bluuuue (#2 LHP on Your All-Time Girl's Name All-Stars Featuring Candy Maldonado behind Sandy Koufax)
#20: I thought Mookie rhymed with cookie, is that incorrect?
   47. Sean Gilman Posted: August 09, 2006 at 10:39 PM (#2133924)
Mookie's a longer oooo sound than in cookie.

See Spike Lee's character in Do The Right Thing.
   48. LSR Posted: August 10, 2006 at 06:17 PM (#2135580)
John Boccabella had a pretty good name that was made great by the PA announcer in Montreal: "Now batting: Johnnn Bocccabelllllla!
   49. Daryn Posted: August 10, 2006 at 06:37 PM (#2135639)
Mookie rhymes with spooky, for better or for worse.
   50. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: August 10, 2006 at 07:17 PM (#2135723)
Has nothing to do with oooo names, but it's got an "O":

Oh-duh-bee, Oh-duh-bee, Oh-duh-bee!!!
   51. OCF Posted: August 10, 2006 at 07:30 PM (#2135739)
The only Alex was surnamed Viskovatoff.

Did his family call him Sasha?

(Enters "Sasha" into bbref. No hits.)

As I mentioned before, Mookie was actually William Wilson - how confused would everyone have been had he decided to go by "Willie"? I guess that would have been about as bad as Alex Gonzalez.
   52. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 10, 2006 at 07:37 PM (#2135747)
Stan "Big" Papi.
   53. DavidFoss Posted: August 10, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2135775)
One thing that dooms a name is being commonplace.

Six Bill Smiths (four Bill's and two Billy's)

There have been five John Smiths. Three of the vanilla variety. One went by 'Jack', and the last picked the great nickname of 'Phenomenal'. Plus two other Jack Smiths

Five Ed/Eddie/Edgar Smiths

Four Smiths picked the colorful nickname of 'Red'. The duplication made the nickname much less colorful.

Three John Johnsons and one Jonathan Johnson. Hard to get more Vanilla than that.

Two other Randy Johnson's debuted in the early 80s before the future HOF-er took the name and made it his own.
   54. jingoist Posted: August 10, 2006 at 08:34 PM (#2135803)
I wonder did they chant "LUUUUUU" or "BLUUUUU"?
Maybe "LU-BLU".
Probably neither back in the 20's.
   55. rlc Posted: August 10, 2006 at 09:33 PM (#2135863)
With the Robinsons on base
He took his stance.
I thought this unlikely, since in my memory the lineup was always Frank-Boog-Brooks. Retrosheet, however, has taught me that Boog usually hit behind Brooks until mid-68.

This raises two totally unrelated questions:

1) Is the R-L-R stacking of lineups entirely a creation of modern bullpen usage? To today's fan it seems inconceivable that the lefthanded Powell wouldn't bat between the righthanded Robinsons, but Weaver probably made the move simply because he could see that Boog had clearly surpassed Brooks as a hitter.

2) What pair of teammates combined for the most runs by A and rbi by B without B ever driving in A? My first guess would be that Ruth probably didn't drive in Gehrig very often, but did it never happen?
   56. DavidFoss Posted: August 10, 2006 at 10:03 PM (#2135890)
2) What pair of teammates combined for the most runs by A and rbi by B without B ever driving in A? My first guess would be that Ruth probably didn't drive in Gehrig very often, but did it never happen?

Too many PH-type situations to think that this would *never* have happened. Maybe, though.

Manny Ramirez drove him 165 runs in 1999, none of those 165 RBI were one of Jim Thome's 101 runs. That's a total of 166. Someone probably has that beat, but that high bar should make this easier to track down.
   57. DavidFoss Posted: August 10, 2006 at 10:05 PM (#2135893)
(I forgot to say that I switched to single-season searches to come up with the retrosheet-era Ramirez-Thome pair.
   58. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: November 04, 2009 at 03:36 AM (#3376896)
Side question about Powell's name: how many players can you think of with a "oo" sound in their names became popular fan chants (that you had to understand were not boos)? Certainly, that applies to Lou Brock.


I can't believe nobody mentioned Jose Cruuuuuuuuz!
   59. Long-Time Fan Posted: November 04, 2009 at 04:03 AM (#3376908)
If Carleton Fisk married Norm Charlton, he'd be Carleton Charleton.

If Tony Gwynne married Steve Balboni, he'd be Tony Balboni.

If Duke Snider married Dolf Luque, he'd be Duke Luque.

If Fritz Petersen married Jeremy Burnitz, he'd be Fritz Bernitz.

If Harvey Kuenn had married Steve Garvey, he'd be unhappy.
   60. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: November 04, 2009 at 04:23 AM (#3376915)
If Harvey Kuenn had married Steve Garvey, he'd be unhappy.

Well, that goes without saying.
   61. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 04, 2009 at 08:21 AM (#3377035)
If Sandy Koufax married Rusty Kuntz, he'd be Sandy Kuntz. They'd be Rusty & Sandy Kuntz. It would be unbelievably awesome.
   62. Paul Wendt Posted: November 04, 2009 at 06:48 PM (#3377438)
Boog Powell doesn't deserve this nor does the Hall of Merit.
Go back to the Think Factory.
   63. SoSH U at work Posted: November 04, 2009 at 07:03 PM (#3377453)
One of my mother and father's oldest friends pitched in the Washington Senators (Twins version) farm system for a season or two.

He used to tell a really cool story, in far more detail than I'm going to, about this time when this heavyset kid steps up to the plate, and how he was thinking how he was going to blow a fastball by this fat-ass.

"Ball's still going," is how he always told it. "Boog Powell."

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