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Monday, January 22, 2007

Bruce Sutter

Eligible in 1994.

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 22, 2007 at 01:25 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 22, 2007 at 01:29 AM (#2284058)
He wasn't greater than Gossage, but that '77 season was really amazing.
   2. DL from MN Posted: January 22, 2007 at 03:13 PM (#2284382)
Here's my list of comparables for Sutter. I don't think he's electable.

Hiller, John
Henke, Tom
Kinder, Ellis
Tekulve, Kent
Wetteland, John
Reardon, Jeff
   3. sunnyday2 Posted: January 22, 2007 at 03:39 PM (#2284419)
I was gonna say Kinder.

The difference is Kinder started more, Sutter finished more.
   4. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 22, 2007 at 03:45 PM (#2284426)
I'm also not sold on Sutter, though I like him a little better than Fingers.
   5. Mark Donelson Posted: January 22, 2007 at 05:15 PM (#2284516)
My PRAA-heavy system has Sutter as remarkably similar to Mike Marshall (who I also like, but not enough).
   6. DCW3 Posted: January 22, 2007 at 09:09 PM (#2284726)
His 1984 season was one of only three times in history that a reliever has led the league in ERSAA (like RSAA, but with ERA+, since everybody uses that so much anyway). The other two were Jim Kern in 1979 and Tim Burke in 1987, neither of whom are quite as well-remembered as Sutter.
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: January 23, 2007 at 12:52 AM (#2284871)
I do think the Fingers vs Sutter chatter will be entertaining...
   8. KJOK Posted: January 23, 2007 at 01:03 AM (#2284876)
If you look at Sutter's 67-84, I think he's rather close to Mariano Rivera in value.
   9. KJOK Posted: January 23, 2007 at 01:03 AM (#2284877)
If you look at Sutter's 76-84, I think he's rather close to Mariano Rivera in value.
   10. Jeff M Posted: January 25, 2007 at 02:09 AM (#2285989)
Here are the major league ranks for Fingers and Sutter -- and for fun Mariano Rivera -- based on Adjusted Runs Prevented from scoring (a BP stat for relievers, which I believe incorporates a Fair Run Average, inherited runners prevented and leverage):

For Rivera, add 20 to the year (i.e., 1976 = 1996). "nmf" = rank was greater than 200.

<u>         70  71  72  73  74  75  76  77  78  79  80  81  82  83  84  85  86</u>
Fingers  33   4   9   3   6   2   4   8   4 nmf  27   1   9  na  15 nmf 
Sutter   na  na  na  na  na  na  12   3  26   7  28  17  33 nmf   2 nmf nmf
Rivera   na  na  na  na  na nmf   1   2   5   6  17   4  77  16   6   2   8


If I relied only on ARP, Fingers would certainly be ahead of Sutter and appears to be comparable to Rivera in his best years.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: February 17, 2007 at 01:04 AM (#2299201)
So is that it? Three votes for Sutter in his first year?
Will he be revisited?
   12. rawagman Posted: February 17, 2007 at 10:29 AM (#2299291)
I could definitely see Sutter making my ballot one day. Depends on what I think of the up and comers though....
   13. tjm1 Posted: February 17, 2007 at 11:17 AM (#2299293)
He's as responsible as anyone except Roger Craig for the rennaissance of the split-fingered fastball/forkball. Not a Hall of Merit qualifier, but it is something that is relevenat for the Hall of Fame, I think.

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