Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Hall of Merit > Discussion
Hall of Merit
— A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best

Monday, January 22, 2007

Bruce Sutter

Eligible in 1994.

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 22, 2007 at 02:25 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Related News:

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 22, 2007 at 02:29 AM (#2284058)
He wasn't greater than Gossage, but that '77 season was really amazing.
   2. DL from MN Posted: January 22, 2007 at 04:13 PM (#2284382)
Here's my list of comparables for Sutter. I don't think he's electable.

Hiller, John
Henke, Tom
Kinder, Ellis
Tekulve, Kent
Wetteland, John
Reardon, Jeff
   3. sunnyday2 Posted: January 22, 2007 at 04:39 PM (#2284419)
I was gonna say Kinder.

The difference is Kinder started more, Sutter finished more.
   4. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 22, 2007 at 04:45 PM (#2284426)
I'm also not sold on Sutter, though I like him a little better than Fingers.
   5. Mark Donelson Posted: January 22, 2007 at 06:15 PM (#2284516)
My PRAA-heavy system has Sutter as remarkably similar to Mike Marshall (who I also like, but not enough).
   6. DCW3 Posted: January 22, 2007 at 10:09 PM (#2284726)
His 1984 season was one of only three times in history that a reliever has led the league in ERSAA (like RSAA, but with ERA+, since everybody uses that so much anyway). The other two were Jim Kern in 1979 and Tim Burke in 1987, neither of whom are quite as well-remembered as Sutter.
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: January 23, 2007 at 01:52 AM (#2284871)
I do think the Fingers vs Sutter chatter will be entertaining...
   8. KJOK Posted: January 23, 2007 at 02:03 AM (#2284876)
If you look at Sutter's 67-84, I think he's rather close to Mariano Rivera in value.
   9. KJOK Posted: January 23, 2007 at 02:03 AM (#2284877)
If you look at Sutter's 76-84, I think he's rather close to Mariano Rivera in value.
   10. Jeff M Posted: January 25, 2007 at 03:09 AM (#2285989)
Here are the major league ranks for Fingers and Sutter -- and for fun Mariano Rivera -- based on Adjusted Runs Prevented from scoring (a BP stat for relievers, which I believe incorporates a Fair Run Average, inherited runners prevented and leverage):

For Rivera, add 20 to the year (i.e., 1976 = 1996). "nmf" = rank was greater than 200.

<u>         70  71  72  73  74  75  76  77  78  79  80  81  82  83  84  85  86</u>
Fingers  33   4   9   3   6   2   4   8   4 nmf  27   1   9  na  15 nmf 
Sutter   na  na  na  na  na  na  12   3  26   7  28  17  33 nmf   2 nmf nmf
Rivera   na  na  na  na  na nmf   1   2   5   6  17   4  77  16   6   2   8


If I relied only on ARP, Fingers would certainly be ahead of Sutter and appears to be comparable to Rivera in his best years.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: February 17, 2007 at 02:04 AM (#2299201)
So is that it? Three votes for Sutter in his first year?
Will he be revisited?
   12. rawagman Posted: February 17, 2007 at 11:29 AM (#2299291)
I could definitely see Sutter making my ballot one day. Depends on what I think of the up and comers though....
   13. tjm1 Posted: February 17, 2007 at 12:17 PM (#2299293)
He's as responsible as anyone except Roger Craig for the rennaissance of the split-fingered fastball/forkball. Not a Hall of Merit qualifier, but it is something that is relevenat for the Hall of Fame, I think.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Jim Wisinski
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Syndicate

Page rendered in 0.2558 seconds
49 querie(s) executed