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Charlie Hough

Eligible in 2000.

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 28, 2007 at 12:12 PM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 28, 2007 at 12:18 PM (#2381147)
His last name is pronounced HUFF, not HOW.

The way he looked during the mid-Eighties and sporting his knuckleball, I thougt he had a chance at making at least 250 wins by age 50. But that wasn't to be.
   2. AJMcCringleberry Posted: May 29, 2007 at 05:11 AM (#2382252)
Interesting fact: Hough qualified for the ERA title 12 times in his career, all of them after he turned 34.
   3. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: May 29, 2007 at 05:36 AM (#2382268)
Ace of the '86 and '87 Rangers, two of the wildest (as in, walks allowed) teams in recent memory.
In 1986, Texas posted nineteen games of eight or more walks. And the next season, the Rangers had twenty-nine such games. That latter figure is the most since at least 1957.
   4. karlmagnus Posted: May 29, 2007 at 11:50 AM (#2382316)
Looks like Tanan minus. Wakefield's better; if he carries on well for another 5 years THERE's my Beckley for the 21st Century.
   5. karlmagnus Posted: May 29, 2007 at 11:51 AM (#2382318)
That's Tanana minus. Sorry.
   6. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: May 29, 2007 at 01:14 PM (#2382340)
Karl are you saying you'd support Wakefield for HOM? If so I want Beckley retroactively removed.
   7. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 29, 2007 at 01:19 PM (#2382347)
Tim Wakefield will not be inducted into either the HOF or HoM. You can bank on it.
   8. DL from MN Posted: May 29, 2007 at 02:44 PM (#2382435)
My Charlie Hough moment is watching Dan Gladden pull an abdominal muscle trying to hit a Hough knuckler.
   9. karlmagnus Posted: May 29, 2007 at 05:19 PM (#2382609)
Grandma, you won't be able to bank on it if he retires with say 215 wins, as is possible, about 3800IP and a 110 ERA+. You also need to add a "stupid manager credit" for him being bullpened by Jimy Williams for 3 prime years in '99-02 and that would get him to 250-ish.

I agree he hasn't done it yet; if he retires next year he's nowhere close. But if he has a Niekro late career he'll have a darn good argument.
   10. Boots Day Posted: May 29, 2007 at 05:50 PM (#2382635)
I thought it was pronounced "Charlie Who."
   11. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 29, 2007 at 07:14 PM (#2382724)
Grandma, you won't be able to bank on it if he retires with say 215 wins, as is possible, about 3800IP and a 110 ERA+. You also need to add a "stupid manager credit" for him being bullpened by Jimy Williams for 3 prime years in '99-02 and that would get him to 250-ish.

I agree he hasn't done it yet; if he retires next year he's nowhere close. But if he has a Niekro late career he'll have a darn good argument.


Wakefield will need a whole lot more than 215 for him to be a serious candidate. He will need at least 290 wins for him to be a candidate.
   12. sunnyday2 Posted: May 29, 2007 at 07:15 PM (#2382725)
I'll vote to elected Jimy Williams to the hall of stupid managers. But Wakefield to the HoM. No way.

As I think about it, which Red Sox manager would one not elected to the hall of stupid managers?
   13. CraigK Posted: May 30, 2007 at 05:07 AM (#2384139)
Since this slowly evolving into a Wakefield thread, I'll just say I noticed this here:

In '93, he had an ERA+ of 72. In '00, he had an ERA+ of 91. Every other season, he's been above average.

Wakefield will need a whole lot more than 215 for him to be a serious candidate. He will need at least 290 wins for him to be a candidate.

At the rate he's going, he'll get win #290 at about age 52. Even the way knucklers age, I don't like his chances.
   14. Jose Canusee Posted: May 30, 2007 at 05:15 PM (#2384547)
bullpened by Jimy Williams for 3 prime years in '99-02

I may not be as baseball-savvy as you and Jimy but I do know that 1999-2002 is four baseball seasons, not three.
   15. karlmagnus Posted: May 30, 2007 at 06:46 PM (#2384648)
Wakefield was rescued from the bullpen in about June '02 (no Jimy, by then -- Grady no Einstein but better) and had spot starts in '00, from memory. The bullpen exile is about 3 years all told.

Unless you're all about to elect Jack Morris, IP and ERA+ have been more important than wins; Wake should do quite well on those IF he gets another 5 yeasrs in. He won't need 290 (and anyway you have to add 30-40 for Jimy stupidity -- 215+35=250, which might well do it if his ERA+ is 112, both optimistic projections, I agree.)

Sox had Dick Williams in '67 and Ed Barrow in '18. And I don't think the current incumbent is bad. Other than that, I agree, yuck!
   16. yest Posted: June 01, 2007 at 02:38 AM (#2386994)
Sox had Dick Williams in '67 and Ed Barrow in '18. And I don't think the current incumbent is bad. Other than that, I agree, yuck!

Joe McCarthy 1948 - 1950
   17. jimd Posted: June 01, 2007 at 06:13 PM (#2387387)
McCarthy may have been a HOF manager with the Yankees, but he was not fondly remembered in Boston due to the failures in 1948 (Denny Galehouse?) and 1949 (the lost weekend) with what was arguably the better team.
   18. Paul Wendt Posted: June 01, 2007 at 06:37 PM (#2387414)
In the early days there were the champion player-managers Jimmy Collins, Jake Stahl, Bill Carrigan. Not to say they were great managers, the point should probably be Red Sox managers since Ed Barrow.

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