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Hall of Merit— A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best
Saturday, April 08, 2006
Fred Carroll
Eligible in 1898.
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 08, 2006 at 04:43 PM (#1948523)sub-questions: Was he playing there because he could no longer hack it in the bigs?
answer: I doubt that. He had a poor season in his last year in the NL with Pittsburgh (OPS+ of 84) He apparently had a hand injury. The Pirates let him go. He was given major league money to play out west in an emerging league. Bearing in mind that back in 1891, there was not quite the same distinction in terms of prestige between leagues, the differences being in financial terms. This was before the reserve clause. Players went with the money. The money, for Carroll was out West. So was his home. Seems a natural fit.
Bill James takes as his source for Carroll, William E. McMahon's SABR article from Baseball's First Stars.
First year out west, Carroll led the league in both average and HR. The second year, on a different team, he hit .338.
1894 (Western League) - .389, 51 doubles, 23 triples, 22 homers. 223 hits and 186 runs in 130 games.
1895 - .414, 58 doubles, 21 HR, 216 hits in 122 games.
And that was it.
So how much credit can be applied to that?
Somewhere safely between none and full. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the level was as good as the NL, but it wasn't Little League, either. It's fair to say that he didn't go there because he couldn't play in the NL, but he didn't want to.
Until I can get a better understanding of what those seasons really translate to, I am awarding Carroll enough merit to give him 2 NL seasons with OPS+ in the range of 110.
That puts Carroll 4th in my Catcher backlog.
1895 - .414, 58 doubles, 21 HR, 216 hits in 122 games.
two seasons in Ban Johnson's Western League?
That would be the midwest today, something like Omaha to Detroit (gradually moving East, including Columbus and Buffalo in 1899).
I mean, those numbers for '94 and '95 are nice.
And it sounds like that's basically what you've done.
I could see Carroll 4th behind Bresnahan, Trouppe and Mackey, though maybe behind Lombardi, too, and then for me there's Clapp.
According to William E. McMahon, "Frederick Herbert Carroll" in Baseball's First Stars [19c Stars, II]:
Fred Carroll "was known primarily as the battery mate of Ed 'Cannonball' Morris, with whom he went East to play with the Reading Actives in 1883, after which they played together until 1890." Carroll played in the majors 1891, one year longer than Morris.
1892 - captain, Oakland, $225/month
1893 - San Francisco
1894 & 1895, Grand Rapids and Grand Rapids/Kansas City - "two monster years in the Western League"
No, there was more, but Paul wasn't going to post the whole article. :-)
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