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Monday, January 05, 2015

Jamie Moyer

Eligible in 2016 2018

DL from MN Posted: January 05, 2015 at 10:33 AM | 6 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: January 05, 2015 at 10:54 AM (#4873118)
One of the best "old" pitchers
   2. DL from MN Posted: January 05, 2015 at 11:38 AM (#4873168)
Just realized I probably shouldn't ignore 53 innings in 2012 and Moyer should be one of the 2018 eligibles.
   3. craigamazing Posted: January 05, 2015 at 12:22 PM (#4873219)
A poor man's Don Sutton. Maybe could've compiled like Don Sutton if he had learned how to pitch effectively before his mid-30s. A decent little peak--he averaged over 5 WAR from 98-03 if you throw out his awful 00 season. But once you're throwing in qualifications like that one, chances are the case you're making probably isn't the strongest.

One hell of a career with an incredible arc to it. Put him in the Hall of Very Good and Hall of Freaks and Outliers.
   4. Rally Posted: January 05, 2015 at 12:34 PM (#4873230)
Jamie's most similar pitcher through age 32 is Mark Redman. Active pitchers on his list are Roberto "Not Fausto" Hernandez and Chris Capuano. Just that he's worth a HOF/HOM discussion after a start like that is incredible.

At the same age where Moyer was just a generic journeyman, Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale had completed their HOF careers, and Bob Feller had had his last great season.
   5. Rally Posted: January 05, 2015 at 12:41 PM (#4873240)
Don Sutton was a great pitcher, and not just for his longevity. His peak didn't compare to Seaver/Carlton, but here's his average season from ages 26-31:

18-10, 2.70 ERA (125 ERA+), 265 IP, 186 K.

Compare to Justin Verlander at same ages:

18-9, 3.27 (129), 230 IP, 226 K.

Don Sutton would be looking at 150+ million if he were 31 and a free agent today.
   6. craigamazing Posted: January 05, 2015 at 01:03 PM (#4873275)
No question Sutton would be getting Lester/Scherzer $$$. He was one hell of a pitcher at his peak.

But fact is, a stretch like Sutton's 26-31 years is very common in major league history. By the standards of the Hall of Fame, his peak is pretty darn weak, and not just compared to Seaver/Carlton, but other contemporaries (Palmer/Blyleven/Niekro/Perry/Jenkins/Ryan). And it looks even worse when you bring in some other worthy non-Hall guys like Reuschel/Stieb/Tanana.

Not trying to diminish Sutton, who I think is a legit HOFamer, if a borderline one. But his is a career argument and not a peak one.

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