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1. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: February 10, 2011 at 10:50 PM (#3747966)33rd all time among players who played 50%+ of their careers as Cs....
30th in batting runs
His 2003 season is the 8th best offensive season ever by a C (if you go by BBREF WAR batting runs)
2 of his BBREF comps are HOFers (Campanella and Lombardi)...
HOVG
Catchers and middle infielders with similar value and playing time as Javy
Rk Player WAR/pos PA OPS+ From To G1 Smoky Burgess 31.8 5013 116 1949 1967 1691
2 Robby Thompson 31.0 5235 105 1986 1996 1304
3 Kid Elberfeld 30.6 5272 105 1898 1914 1292
4 Bill Doran 30.5 5922 106 1982 1993 1453
5 Walker Cooper 28.4 5078 116 1940 1957 1473
6 Elston Howard 28.2 5843 108 1955 1968 1605
7 Javy Lopez 27.9 5793 112 1992 2006 1503
8 Carlos Guillen 26.3 5175 111 1998 2010 1277
9 Davey Johnson 24.5 5465 110 1965 1978 1435
I remember making the argument (when they were both still active) that Bill Doran was every bit as good as Ryne Sandberg, and you'd see that if you only traded their home ballparks. Which turned out to not quite be true in the end.
And who's the 2nd baseman on the all-time Bay Area all-star team? Does Thompson have any shot at that?
On that list, Elston Howard remains a viable HoM candidate, mostly for reasons not captured by Dan's statistical listing. The others (except for the still-active Guillen) drew no HoM votes at all.
If you exclude Jeff Kent for what ever reason, then it's either him or Mark Ellis, I'd think. Thompson was the better hitter, Ellis the better fielder, so Thompson probably wins on extra playing time. I can't think of anyone else in the running. If it's players who grew up in the Bay Area, then, of course, it's Joe Morgan.
I would guess Jeff Kent as the all-time Bay Area 2B.
Which is likely Javy's fate as well.
Doran vs. Sandberg, selective endpoints: From 1983 to 1987, Doran totaled 20.7 bbref WAR, and in the same five years, (even with an outlier 1984 season) Sandberg totaled 20.7. Of course, for the next five years after that, Sandberg was great and Doran wasn't. I was probably trying to compare them in, oh, about 1987.
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