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Lloyd Waner

Lloyd Waner

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 22, 2005 at 09:20 PM | 7 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 22, 2005 at 09:28 PM (#1211695)
"Little Poison" is a little off of HoM quality, but like the HOFer Gomez, deserves a thread of his own, too.
   2. OCF Posted: March 22, 2005 at 10:14 PM (#1211846)
Using the adjusted RCAA system I like, Waner shows up as

- not as good a hitter as Dode Paskert or Clyde Milan
- nowhere near as good a hitter as Fielder Jones or Max Carey
- to switch positions, about level with Fred Lindstrom as a hitter.

(Bill James's one-liner was something to the effect that the Hall of Fame voters must have been looking at Paul Waner's statistics.)

Not to be taken seriously as a candidate.
   3. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 22, 2005 at 10:24 PM (#1211870)
If Waner had more seasons like he had early in his career, then he might have a case. But I agree with OCF: he's not a HoMer by any stretch of the imagination.
   4. kthejoker Posted: March 24, 2005 at 09:49 PM (#1215146)
In the HOF's defense, Lloyd was merely a Veteran's Committee pick, and compares right with the aforementioned Fred Lindstrom and Richie Ashburn.

So in one regard, he was just a sentimental pick - played in the shadow of his better brother, wasn't *terribly* shabby himself, wasted his best season on Murderer's Row.

Strangely, despite being noted for his speed by a lot of his fellow ballplayers, he only stole 67 bases in his career.

And an interesting factoid about the Waners: their famous nickname actually came from a Brooklyn fan who, in their particular vernacular, misprounounced "person."
   5. jimd Posted: March 25, 2005 at 07:21 PM (#1216504)
he was just a sentimental pick - played in the shadow of his better brother, wasn't *terribly* shabby himself,

Dom DiMaggio also fits these criteria and would be a much better pick. The Little Professor may be part of our HOM debate with appropriate WWII credit (missed ages 26-28).
   6. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 25, 2005 at 08:05 PM (#1216560)
Dom DiMaggio also fits these criteria and would be a much better pick. The Little Professor may be part of our HOM debate with appropriate WWII credit (missed ages 26-28).

I totally agree, Jim.
   7. Paul Wendt Posted: March 27, 2005 at 12:43 AM (#1218654)
And an interesting factoid about the Waners: their famous nickname actually came from a Brooklyn fan who, in their particular vernacular, misprounounced "person."

Yes, Poison with unvoiced "s" as in person, Mason, Hughson, antidisestablishmentarianson.

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