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Monday, December 19, 2016

Mock Hall of Fame Ballot 2017

IMPORTANT: Please read:

This election should follow BBWAA rules, not Hall of Merit rules. However, we hope to see only players that each voter feels belong on their ballots. Leaving 1st-year candidates off your ballot is also frowned upon. IOW, we would like to see an absence of some of the silliness that permeates Hall of Fame voting by the writers.

The election will end Thursday on December 22, 2016 (3 PM EST). Results will be posted a short time later.

Please don’t post any vote tallies on this thread.

Here are some of the rules by the BBWAA that pertain to our electorate:

3. Eligible Candidates — Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.
B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A).
C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.
D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.
E. Any player on Baseball’s ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election

A. BBWAA Screening Committee — A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.
B. Electors may vote for as few as zero (0) and as many as ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.
C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

5. Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

Voting an alphabetical ballot will make it easier to tally votes

Here are the players, in alphabetical order:

Jeff Bagwell
Casey Blake
Barry Bonds
Pat Burrell
Orlando Cabrera
Mike Cameron
Roger Clemens
JD Drew
Vladimir Guerrero
Carlos Guillen
Trevor Hoffman
Jeff Kent
Derrek Lee
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff
Melvin Mora
Mike Mussina
Magglio Ordonez
Jorge Posada
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Edgar Renteria
Arthur Rhodes
Ivan Rodriguez
Freddy Sanchez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Lee Smith
Sammy Sosa
Matt Stairs
Jason Varitek
Billy Wagner
Tim Wakefield
Larry Walker

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   1. DL from MN Posted: December 19, 2016 at 11:30 AM (#5370689)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Gary Sheffield
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

No room for: Jeff Kent, Edgar Martinez, Jorge Posada, Sammy Sosa
   2. Lassus Posted: December 19, 2016 at 11:37 AM (#5370700)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vlad Guererro
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling

   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 19, 2016 at 11:42 AM (#5370706)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
   4. Baldrick Posted: December 19, 2016 at 11:52 AM (#5370719)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

For the first time in a while, I don't feel terrible about the 10 person limit. I would definitely also vote for Sheffield and almost certainly for Vlad. And I would probably give a vote (in descending order) to Sosa, Kent, Posada, and maybe McGriff. But compared to some of the ridiculous decisions of past years, this one was actually pretty easy.
   5. dlf Posted: December 19, 2016 at 12:06 PM (#5370731)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker


Would have made my ballot if not for space limits: Manny Ramirez, Gary Sheffield, Sammy Sosa, and maybe Kent, McGiff and Posada. The latter three all all left off because they rank well below he other 13; the former three are left off due to a combination of quality and non-quality (e.g. Raines last year on the ballot, Ramierez's positive tests after the rule changes, etc.) issues.
   6. caiman Posted: December 19, 2016 at 12:13 PM (#5370741)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Jeff Bagwell
Gary Sheffield
Fed McGriff
Tim Raines
Larry Walker
Note: Mike Mussina, in my RPA ratings, is the 11th best MLB pitcher since 1900. He should have been a first ballot HOF'er!! Almost unique in MLB history, every single year of his career, he was a premier pitcher! Every single year, in other words, Mussina was a plus run value to his team. When I totaled up his run value for his entire career, only 10 MLB pitchers had a higher run value, with Roger Clemens as Numero Uno.
   7. bachslunch Posted: December 19, 2016 at 12:13 PM (#5370742)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Mike Mussina
Larry Walker
Gary Sheffield
Sammy Sosa

With room would add Curt Schilling, Ivan Rodriguez, Fred McGriff, Jeff Kent, Billy Wagner, Lee Smith, Trevor Hoffman. Maybe Manny Ramirez if feeling extra generous.
   8. BDC Posted: December 19, 2016 at 12:48 PM (#5370794)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker
   9. Rob_Wood Posted: December 19, 2016 at 01:17 PM (#5370819)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
   10. Howie Menckel Posted: December 19, 2016 at 01:24 PM (#5370824)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Jeff Kent
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

(Edgar was 11th)
   11. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: December 19, 2016 at 01:28 PM (#5370831)
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Raines
Rodriguez
Mussina
Schilling
Ramirez
Walker
Martinez
   12. AROM Posted: December 19, 2016 at 01:36 PM (#5370836)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
   13. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: December 19, 2016 at 01:37 PM (#5370837)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
   14. AROM Posted: December 19, 2016 at 01:40 PM (#5370840)
I'd probably vote for about 5 more if I had an unlimited ballot. That's an improvement, last few years I could have easily justified 20. I'm hoping we get a big class this year, combined with not super-strong first time classes and players dropping off the ballot, and in the next few years I might not even use all of my 10 imaginary spots.
   15. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: December 19, 2016 at 01:49 PM (#5370849)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

Copied and pasted the entire list and began deleting guys- first pass through left me with 18- knocking off 5 was easy, last 3 got harder, Vlad was the last guy I knocked off..
Boy the group think is strong here... everyone's ballot looks like everyone else's
   16. rawagman Posted: December 19, 2016 at 01:59 PM (#5370857)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Larry Walker
   17. Kiko Sakata Posted: December 19, 2016 at 02:10 PM (#5370865)
My personal Hall of Fame would include 15 players on this ballot and if you catch me at the right moment, I'd be open to convincing that Trevor Hoffman also belongs. My first pass, I used steroids as a tiebreaker, but that doesn't quite work - I have 9 "clean" players (including Bagwell) and 6 "dirty" players and trying to weigh level of dirty (Sosa? Clemens? Pudge?) vs. value became too much of a mess. So, I just went with a straight value ranking, with two exceptions. First, I gave a very slight bump to Tim Raines to make sure he made the ballot since it's his last one, I like him, and I find him Hall-worthy. Second, I left Manny Ramirez off the ballot in the spirit of the Hall of Merit's one-year boycott rule - he's the only guy on the ballot who explicitly failed a drug test and I didn't like his leaving the 2011 Rays out to dry by retiring rather than just taking his suspension (and I needed to drop somebody to push Raines on-ballot). I actually voted for him (#1 even) in the Hall of Merit, but 9 of the 10 guys on my ballot here are already in the Hall of Merit, so there isn't nearly the ballot-space limitation issue.

My ballot (in alphabetical order, as requested):

Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker

I would also vote for Vladimir Guerrero, Jorge Posada, Manny Ramirez, Ivan Rodriguez, and Sammy Sosa if not for the 10-man ballot limit.
   18. Chris Fluit Posted: December 19, 2016 at 02:12 PM (#5370868)
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Martinez
Mussina
Raines
Rodriguez
Schilling
Sosa
Walker

with more room I'd also vote for
Guerrero
Hoffman
Kent
McGriff
Ramirez
Sheffield
   19. Fridas Boss Posted: December 19, 2016 at 02:50 PM (#5370912)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
   20. Kiko Sakata Posted: December 19, 2016 at 02:58 PM (#5370918)
For the first time in a while, I don't feel terrible about the 10 person limit.


On the one hand, it does feel like the backlog has eased considerably. But, on the other hand, I count 18 ballots so far as I type this, and every single one of them has listed 10 names.
   21. JoeC Posted: December 19, 2016 at 03:19 PM (#5370935)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
   22. Ivo Shandor Posted: December 19, 2016 at 04:07 PM (#5370987)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker
   23. bjhanke Posted: December 19, 2016 at 04:31 PM (#5371015)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Gary Sheffield
   24. Bourbon Samurai is disturbed by bagel developments Posted: December 19, 2016 at 04:46 PM (#5371026)
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Mussina
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Schilling
Sosa

   25. cardsfanboy Posted: December 19, 2016 at 05:02 PM (#5371045)
Bagwell
Raines
Clemens
Bonds
Mussina
Schilling
Irod
Walker
Sosa
Edgar
   26. theorioleway Posted: December 19, 2016 at 05:02 PM (#5371046)
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Guerrero
Martinez
Mussina
Raines
Rodriguez
Schilling
Walker
   27. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: December 19, 2016 at 05:09 PM (#5371052)
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Guerrero
Martinez
Mussina
Raines
Rodriguez
Schilling
Walker

Thought hard about Sheffield. He easily could've been there instead of Walker, Edgar, or Guerrero.
   28. JAHV Posted: December 19, 2016 at 06:10 PM (#5371090)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker
   29. Mark Donelson Posted: December 19, 2016 at 06:21 PM (#5371091)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
   30. Man o' Schwar Posted: December 19, 2016 at 06:58 PM (#5371101)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Gary Sheffield
Sammy Sosa
   31. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: December 19, 2016 at 07:58 PM (#5371121)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Fred McGriff
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Larry Walker

The last two cuts were both excruciating. I imagine my voting criteria are pretty idiosyncratic, but then again so are the BWAA's, and I feel pretty good about my ballot. Would also vote for Martinez, Sheffield, I guess Schilling, probably Hoffman. I've never looked all that closely at Kent because he's never been a top-10 guy in any year I've paid attention.
   32. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: December 19, 2016 at 08:02 PM (#5371124)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker

Funny thing is in other places I had Vlad instead of Sheffield. Doing my HoM ballot made me realize I had that one wrong.
   33. dr. scott Posted: December 19, 2016 at 08:15 PM (#5371128)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

   34. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 19, 2016 at 08:29 PM (#5371136)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Sammy Sosa
   35. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 19, 2016 at 08:31 PM (#5371139)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

   36. dan b Posted: December 19, 2016 at 10:32 PM (#5371186)
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Mussina
Posada
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Schilling
Sheffield
   37. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 20, 2016 at 02:26 AM (#5371227)
Bonds, Clemens, Raines, Pudge, Lee Smith.

--MWE
   38. HGM Posted: December 20, 2016 at 09:00 AM (#5371259)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
   39. Fancy Pants with a clinging marmoset on his Handle Posted: December 20, 2016 at 09:19 AM (#5371266)
Jeff Bagwell
Vlad Guererro
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
   40. Rennie's Tenet Posted: December 20, 2016 at 09:22 AM (#5371268)
Bagwell
Guerrero
Kent
Martinez
McGriff
Mussina
Raines
Rodriguez
Schilling
Walker

If there were 8 deserving candidates instead of 18, I'd give Tim Wakefield a "Rookie, you were good" vote.
   41. Jose is El Absurd Pollo Posted: December 20, 2016 at 09:25 AM (#5371270)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Edgar Martinez
Trevor Hoffman
   42. pikepredator Posted: December 20, 2016 at 09:42 AM (#5371283)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa

Mussina, Sosa, walker, Kent, and Edgar all float around my cut line. Could be a slightly different list tomorrow. I'm a sucker for fame as a tie breaker. Mussina is too good to leave out despite being boring IMO. Sosa and Big Mac are both in my personal HoF.
   43. JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: December 20, 2016 at 09:43 AM (#5371285)
All no brainers

Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Jorge Posada
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield

I'd also vote yes to these guys, but I can't since I only get 10 spots.

Edgar Martinez
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker
Vladimir Guerrero
   44. DanG Posted: December 20, 2016 at 10:27 AM (#5371313)
Ballotgeddon lurches into year #5, with well over ten names deserving of support for the Hall. I voted for the ten whose JAWS score exceeds the average HOFer at their position.

Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
   45. EddieA Posted: December 20, 2016 at 01:28 PM (#5371455)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Jeff Kent
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Sammy Sosa
   46. JJ1986 Posted: December 20, 2016 at 01:36 PM (#5371462)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

I'd also definitely vote for Vlad, Sheffield and Sosa if I had room, and maybe McGriff. Kent and Posada.
   47. Rusty Priske Posted: December 20, 2016 at 01:50 PM (#5371473)
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Guerrero
Mussina
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Schilling
Walker

(The 'if allowed' votes wold be Martinez, Sheffield, McGriff)
   48. Greg K Posted: December 20, 2016 at 02:53 PM (#5371509)

J. Bagwell
B. Bonds
R. Clemens
E. Martinez
M. Mussina
T. Raines
M. Ramirez
I. Rodriguez
C. Schilling
G. Sheffield
   49. zonk Posted: December 20, 2016 at 02:54 PM (#5371512)
Forced stack rank order...

Bonds
Clemens
Bagwell
Schilling
Mussina
Raines
Rameriz
Walker
Martinez
Rodriguez

Sosa, Vlad, Kent, Sheffield, and McGriff would also make my ballot with unlimited room. I'd probably add both Posada and yes - Hoffman (Fame not Merit) and space permitting, might even be persuaded to include Smith. If I were to vote 'strategically, I think that I'd swap Sosa and Rodriguez mainly because I'm pretty sure I-Rod will make it easily and Sosa needs the votes. I might also consider swapping one of Vlad or Kent for Bagwell if only because Bags is on the cusp of election, too.
   50. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 20, 2016 at 03:02 PM (#5371524)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Larry Walker

If I could vote for more than 10, I'd include Curt Schilling, Jeff Kent, Sammy Sosa, Trevor Hoffman, and Fred McGriff.
   51. Morty Causa Posted: December 20, 2016 at 03:09 PM (#5371532)
Bagwell,
Schilling,
Raines,
Mussina,
Clemens,
Walker,
Martinez
   52. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: December 20, 2016 at 03:16 PM (#5371537)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker

But there are so many good choices at the end of the ballot; on a different day I'd pick different ones.
   53. alilisd Posted: December 20, 2016 at 03:18 PM (#5371541)
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Martinez
Mussina
Schilling
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Walker
   54. Booey Posted: December 20, 2016 at 03:43 PM (#5371563)
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Guerrero*
Mussina
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Schilling
Sosa*

If I could - Walker, Edgar, Sheffield, Kent, and maybe McGriff. Just say "NO" to closers.

* This is the HOF, not the HOM. Vlad and Sammy were much bigger stars (more memorable, relevant to their era, etc) than Walker was, and that matters too, IMO.
   55. craigamazing Posted: December 20, 2016 at 04:03 PM (#5371590)
Bonds
Clemens
Bagwell
Mussina
Raines
I-Rod
Schilling
Martinez
Ramirez
Walker

Vlad's a yes for me too, but slips off for want of space. Sheffield is damn close, but a no for now. Sosa and Kent are also in the conversation, but solid nos this year.

   56. Mike Webber Posted: December 20, 2016 at 04:34 PM (#5371607)
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
E. Martinez
Mussina
Raines
Manny Ramirez
I. Rodriguez
Schilling
G. Sheffield
   57. ajnrules Posted: December 21, 2016 at 01:07 AM (#5371801)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

aka the AROM / dlf / Snapper / Steve Parris, Je t'aime ballot

With apologies to Manny Ramirez, Gary Sheffield, Sammy Sosa, Fred McGriff, Billy Wagner, Magglio Ordonez, Tim Wakefield
   58. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: December 21, 2016 at 01:34 AM (#5371803)
Copied the whole list into my post and eliminated the easy Nos. Which left me with fourteen, all of whom I could see getting my vote at some point.

Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

The cuts were Vladimir Guerrero, Jeff Kent, Gary Sheffield, and Sammy Sosa.
   59. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 21, 2016 at 03:01 AM (#5371804)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
   60. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: December 21, 2016 at 11:01 AM (#5371929)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

I had 4 or 5 others I might vote for if I could - Kent, McGriff, maybe Wagner, maybe Sheffield, maybe Sosa. I've left Manny off for the failed drug tests after the rules changed - he'll get my vote next year.
   61. fra paolo Posted: December 21, 2016 at 12:54 PM (#5372040)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Gary Sheffield
Lee Smith

I don't think I would vote for more than these ten, so we are possibly at the point where the ballot can be deemed 'cleared', and can go back to first-ballot silliness with a clear conscience. YMMV.
   62. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: December 21, 2016 at 05:03 PM (#5372256)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

Would also vote for Sheffield, Sosa and Guerrero, in that order, if I could.
   63. QLE Posted: December 21, 2016 at 05:51 PM (#5372278)
Voting strictly by the merits:

Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker

Left off due to lack of room: Guerrero, Posada, and Ramirez.

I probably would adjust this if in the BBWAA poll for strategic purposes, but it would still be ten of these thirteen players.
   64. Bleed the Freak Posted: December 21, 2016 at 06:48 PM (#5372299)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker

Guerrero, Kent, Rodriguez, and Sosa also worthy.
   65. Fred Flintstone, Premier NL Save Leader Posted: December 22, 2016 at 08:49 AM (#5372460)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines
Ivan Rodriguez
Curt Schilling

No relief pitchers
No designated hitters
No one disciplined for ped use after rules and testing were implemented
   66. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 22, 2016 at 09:15 AM (#5372474)
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Jeff Kent
Mike Mussina
Iim Raines
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker

I could have added at least 5 more players eligible (or should be eligible). BBWAA, you are ridiculous.
   67. DanG Posted: December 22, 2016 at 09:41 AM (#5372497)
[#61]
I don't think I would vote for more than these ten, so we are possibly at the point where the ballot can be deemed 'cleared'
Very much a minority opinion around here. Only a smaller-than-Cooperstown-Hall voter would exclude Walker, Mussina and Schilling.
   68. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2016 at 01:36 PM (#5372786)
Balloting ends this afternoon
   69. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2016 at 03:14 PM (#5372944)
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