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Monday, December 18, 2017

Mock Hall of Fame Ballot 2018

IMPORTANT: Please read:

This election should follow BBWAA rules, not Hall of Merit rules. However, we hope to see only players that each voter feels belong on their ballots. Leaving 1st-year candidates off your ballot is also frowned upon. IOW, we would like to see an absence of some of the silliness that permeates Hall of Fame voting by the writers.

The election will end Friday on December 22, 2017 (1 PM EST). Results will be posted a short time later.

Please don’t post any vote tallies on this thread.

Here are some of the rules by the BBWAA that pertain to our electorate:

3. Eligible Candidates — Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.
B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A).
C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.
D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.
E. Any player on Baseball’s ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election

A. BBWAA Screening Committee — A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.
B. Electors may vote for as few as zero (0) and as many as ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.
C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

5. Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

Voting an alphabetical ballot will make it easier to tally votes

Here are the players, in alphabetical order:

Barry Bonds
Chris Carpenter
Roger Clemens
Johnny Damon
Vladimir Guerrero
Livan Hernandez
Trevor Hoffman
Orlando Hudson
Aubrey Huff
Jason Isringhausen
Andruw Jones
Chipper Jones
Jeff Kent
Carlos Lee
Brad Lidge
Edgar Martinez
Hideki Matsui
Fred McGriff
Kevin Millwood
Jamie Moyer
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Johan Santana
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome
Omar Vizquel
Billy Wagner
Larry Walker
Kerry Wood
Carlos Zambrano

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   1. DL from MN Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:10 AM (#5594301)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Johan Santana
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:17 AM (#5594310)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vlad Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   3. karlmagnus Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:19 AM (#5594315)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
   4. dlf Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:31 AM (#5594324)
I'm down to only having six players I think are qualified but who won't be on my ballot due to space concerns. Alphabetically, my ten:

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome

Would vote for him if there was space:

Andruw Jones
Jeff Kent
Fred McGriff
Scott Rolen
Johan Santana
Gary Sheffield
Larry Walker
   5. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:34 AM (#5594328)
I think I like WAA more than WAR. I'll be a lot less skeptical of defensive metrics once someone figures out how to make Statcast info tell us more (it seems to do a pretty good job with OFs, but (1) I've seen no discussion of IFs and (2) the info obviously isn't available for the current HOF class).

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Johan Santana
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

As I typed my list, I see that great minds think alike. That being said, I picked Santana over Vlad and Manny simply because his peak is so high, and over Andruw because I just don't believe the defensive numbers that drive his WAA - but I wouldn't quibble if someone picked one of them over Johan.
   6. Mike Webber Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:43 AM (#5594340)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Jim Thome
   7. BrianBrianson Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:43 AM (#5594342)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Edgar Martinez
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

Man - that started to get hard at 17, and became damn near impossible by twelve. I can't swear I'd make the same cuts tomorrow - too many "obviously yes"es.
   8. bachslunch Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:47 AM (#5594345)
If I were a real voter, I'd include Trevor Hoffman to help get him off the ballot and Gary Sheffield, dropping Chipper and Thome who don't need my help. Otherwise:

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

With unlimited room, would add in this order:

Gary Sheffield
Andruw Jones
Jeff Kent
Fred McGriff
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
   9. Kiko Sakata Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:52 AM (#5594347)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Johan Santana
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

I'd have 13-18 players over my personal HOF line if there were no ballot limit.
   10. Fridas Boss Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:56 AM (#5594351)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   11. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:57 AM (#5594354)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome

That was difficult. My first cut had 16 names on it and the last name to get dropped -- after quite a bit of thought -- was Sheffield.
   12. jmurph Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:11 PM (#5594368)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
   13. Jaack Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:17 PM (#5594374)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

Would also vote for:
Vladimir Guerrero
Trevor Hoffman
Manny Ramirez
Johan Santana
Gary Sheffield
Billy Wagner
Maybe Andrew Jones

The hardest for me was Vlad vs Kent vs Sheff.
   14. Jaack Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:18 PM (#5594375)
Also I don't think Lee Smith should be on the ballot - didn't he age out last year?
   15. ajnrules Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:20 PM (#5594378)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

Aka the SoSH U ballot
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:29 PM (#5594388)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker


   17. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:29 PM (#5594389)
Barry Bonds (123.5 WAA)
Roger Clemens (94.6 WAA)
Trevor Hoffman (13.7 WAA)
Chipper Jones (85.0 WAA)
Edgar Martinez (38.5 WAA)
Mike Mussina (48.6 WAA)
Scott Rolen (43.9 WAA)
Curt Schilling (54.1 WAA)
Jim Thome (37.5 WAA)
Larry Walker (48.2 WAA)


Would vote for if there was room:
Andruw Jones (36.0 WAA)
Manny Ramirez (35.6 WAA)
   18. DL from MN Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5594401)
Removed Lee Smith, thanks
   19. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:45 PM (#5594409)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

Sheffield was the toughest omission.
   20. QLE Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5594427)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

Would support if had room: Vladimir Guerrero, Manny Ramirez
Would support if I had trust in outfield defensive statistics: Andruw Jones
Can't really make up mind: Johan Santana
   21. Ziggy's screen name Posted: December 18, 2017 at 01:10 PM (#5594446)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

That could have gone a lot of different ways. Ask me again tomorrow and different guys might make the cut.
   22. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: December 18, 2017 at 01:22 PM (#5594463)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

As nearly everyone else has said, I would be comfortable with a ballot of at least a dozen here, maybe more. And that's with things having thinned out enough that I'm no longer left deciding between Edgar and Walker for the last spot.
   23. Rennie's Tenet Posted: December 18, 2017 at 01:32 PM (#5594472)
I see 21 reasonable candidates, along with a couple of good stories:

Guerrero
C. Jones
Kent
Martinez
Mussina
Rolen
Schilling
Thome
Walker
Wagner

My "I enjoyed watching you play" vote would go to Livan Hernandez, or Miguel Batista if he hadn't been left off the ballot.
   24. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: December 18, 2017 at 01:55 PM (#5594497)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

Larry Jones is clearly qualified and deserving - I'm leaving him off out of Mets fan spite.
   25. Rob_Wood Posted: December 18, 2017 at 02:44 PM (#5594547)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   26. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 18, 2017 at 02:58 PM (#5594571)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Jim Thome
Billy Wagner

This is based on what I would prefer the HoF to be, without regard to what it is. If that means that good players from this era get left out, so be it - I don't think the choices of the past should dictate how we approach it in the present.

Even with my standard post-age-35 PED discount for players of this era, Thome looks comfortably in (surprisingly to me). His numbers through age 34 stack up favorably to Killebrew and Schmidt, so that even a normal 3-4 year decline phase after the age-35 injury gets him over 500 HR with 140-range OPS.

Wagner was the second-best long term reliever behind Mo in this era. Hoffman hung around longer, which is why he got the save record and Wagner didn't.

-- MWE
   27. Rally Posted: December 18, 2017 at 03:07 PM (#5594577)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
Vladimir Guerrero
Scott Rolen

   28. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: December 18, 2017 at 03:22 PM (#5594590)
B Bonds
R Clemens
A Jones
C Jones
E Martinez
M Mussina
S Rolen
C Schilling
J Thome
L Walker
   29. Booey Posted: December 18, 2017 at 04:17 PM (#5594646)
Another tough year. I'm sure this would change every time I write it.

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome

If I could:
Larry Walker
Edgar Martinez*
Scott Rolen
Jeff Kent

Agnostic:
Fred McGriff
Andruw Jones

It hurts, but no:
Johan Santana

Just plain no:
Everyone else


* I'd find a way to fit him in were I a real voter since he's so close, but it seems pointless to do strategic voting on a mock ballot.


   30. BDC Posted: December 18, 2017 at 04:18 PM (#5594647)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

Something of a purely aesthetic preference for all-round players, though on that score I am not totally sure Thome is a much better pick than Manny Ramirez. Maybe I'd vote Manny if I could list eleven.
   31. reech Posted: December 18, 2017 at 04:31 PM (#5594656)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome

I'd vote for
Manny Ramirez
but he got busted for cheating.
   32. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 18, 2017 at 04:40 PM (#5594665)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   33. toratoratora Posted: December 18, 2017 at 07:59 PM (#5594771)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   34. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 18, 2017 at 08:12 PM (#5594773)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

And #11
Scott Rolen
   35. Howie Menckel Posted: December 18, 2017 at 08:23 PM (#5594778)

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   36. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: December 18, 2017 at 09:33 PM (#5594801)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Andruw Jones
Chipper Jones
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome
Vladimir Guerrero
Scott Rolen
   37. Nero Wolfe, Indeed Posted: December 18, 2017 at 09:33 PM (#5594802)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

   38. Ivo Shandor Posted: December 18, 2017 at 10:59 PM (#5594833)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Manny Ramirez
Gary Sheffield
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   39. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:16 PM (#5594843)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

If I could:
#11 - Sammy Sosa
#12 - Scott Rolen

Also considered:
Jeff Kent
Gary Sheffield
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner
   40. Rusty Priske Posted: December 19, 2017 at 11:05 AM (#5594962)
Ballot:

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Jim Thome
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Vladimir Guerrero

Would if I could:

Andruw Jones
Edgar Martinez
Gary Sheffield
Fred McGriff

Notable 'No's:

Sammy Sosa
Jeff Kent
Johan Santana
Johnny Damon
Omar Vizquel
Trevor Hoffman
   41. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: December 19, 2017 at 11:46 AM (#5594992)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

I had a consideration set of 19 and whittled down from there. The last cut was Manny...
   42. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: December 19, 2017 at 12:05 PM (#5595012)
Barry Bonds (1)
Roger Clemens(2)
Chipper Jones (5)
Edgar Martinez (8)
Mike Mussina (4)
Manny Ramirez (7)
Scott Rolen (10)
Curt Schilling (3)
Jim Thome (6)
Larry Walker (9)

If possible, I would also vote for:
11. Gary Sheffield
12. Sammy Sosa
13. Andruw Jones
14. Johan Santana

I wouldn't vote for, but they're close enough:
15. Jeff Kent
16. Vladimir Guerrero

Everyone else I have clearly below the line.


   43. Chris Fluit Posted: December 19, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5595049)
Bonds
Clemens
Guerrero
Hoffman
C Jones
Martinez
Mussina
Schilling
Sosa
Walker

If I had room
Kent
Ramirez
Rolen
Sheffield
Thome
   44. Obo Posted: December 19, 2017 at 03:59 PM (#5595173)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   45. oscar madisox Posted: December 19, 2017 at 06:08 PM (#5595249)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Fred McGriff
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

Thome is No. 11. I also like Santana, Sosa and Sheffield, but not enough to say I'd vote for them if I had room.
   46. Bleed the Freak Posted: December 19, 2017 at 07:42 PM (#5595268)
~15 worthy of election, cutting it down to 10:

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   47. Bleed the Freak Posted: December 19, 2017 at 07:43 PM (#5595269)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Johan Santana
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

I'd have 13-18 players over my personal HOF line if there were no ballot limit.


Kiko in post 9, I'm surprised Manny Ramirez isn't making your ballot, Player Win-Loss records numbers show him as super elite.
   48. The Duke Posted: December 19, 2017 at 07:59 PM (#5595280)
Guerrero
C Jones
McGriff
Mussina
Rolen
Santana
Schilling
Thome
Vizquel
Walker
   49. Kiko Sakata Posted: December 19, 2017 at 08:17 PM (#5595283)
Kiko in post 9, I'm surprised Manny Ramirez isn't making your ballot, Player Win-Loss records numbers show him as super elite.


To be honest, I'm holding his failed steroid tests against him. I was especially put off with the way he left the Rays in the lurch by abruptly retiring rather than serving out his second suspension.

With no limits, he's easily in the "13 ... players over my personal HOF line if there were no ballot limit". But if I have to cut (at least) 3 guys anyway, I'm holding the failed tests / crappy retirement against him. FYI: Edgar is taking his slot. If I had a real ballot, I might also drop another guy and slide Vlad onto the ballot since he's so close to election and he meets my standard. If I did that, I'd probably drop Sheffield as my lowest ranked guy who's neither making progress toward election (Edgar, Vlad) nor in danger of dropping off the ballot entirely (Johan). For this exercise, I decided to just go with my top 10 minus the deductions for Manny.
   50. theorioleway Posted: December 19, 2017 at 08:43 PM (#5595295)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Andruw Jones
Chipper Jones
Mike Mussina
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   51. Soul Man Posted: December 19, 2017 at 10:53 PM (#5595353)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

With no ballot limit:

Scott Rolen
Gary Sheffield

And possibly:

Andruw Jones
Jeff Kent
Johan Santana
Sammy Sosa
Billy Wagner


Were I an actual voter, I'd substitute Rolen for either Vlad or Larry Walker to help him survive.
   52. DanG Posted: December 20, 2017 at 01:42 AM (#5595400)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   53. homerwannabee Posted: December 20, 2017 at 07:57 AM (#5595429)
This is my, give love to those that don't get love ballot.
1. Vladimir Guerrero
2. Chipper Jones
3. Jim Thome
4. Edgar Martinez
5. Curt Schilling
6. Billy Wagner (While he had a shorter career than Hoffman, he has WAY better numbers)
7. Johan Santana (Surprised that he's doing so well at BBTF) (Triple Crown pitcher, 9 straight 129 ERA+ seasons. For a five year period he was lights out)
8. Jamie Moyer (269 wins, and having a 20 and 6 record during the Mariners 116 win season deserves a vote)
9. Johnny Damon (Pivotal part of the Red Sox 2004 World Series. 56 WAR, 2769 hits, 1668 runs. This deserves a vote by someone)
10. Hideki Matsui (World Series MVP. Yeah, I'm including his Japan time, but oh well)
   54. Baldrick Posted: December 20, 2017 at 08:17 AM (#5595435)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

Sheffield is #11 and Guerrero is #12. They both belong. I'd also consider voting for Andruw, Sosa, Santana, Kent, and maybe McGriff, but I'm not beaten up about any of them missing out.
   55. PreservedFish Posted: December 20, 2017 at 08:58 AM (#5595455)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome


I think
   56. Cod Guy Posted: December 20, 2017 at 04:18 PM (#5595935)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   57. Where have you gone Brady Anderson? Posted: December 20, 2017 at 09:11 PM (#5596061)
Bonds
Clemens
Jones, Chipper
Guerrero
Martinez
Mussina
Rolen
Schilling
Thome
Walker


Others I would vote for with no ballot limit: Kent, Ramirez, Sheffield
Others I would maybe vote for with no ballot limit: Damon, Andruw Jones, Sosa

Thome never felt like a hall of famer to me, but 600 home runs is hard to argue with. I also didn't realize how long his career was until I looked at his numbers. He broke in at 20 and played into his 40's. Ramirez is clearly one of the ten best players by the numbers, but if I'm going to have to cut someone, I'm fine looking at the character clause. He also had that incident where he pushed the Red Sox traveling secretary (or someone like that) in addition to the steroid drama.
   58. taxandbeerguy Posted: December 20, 2017 at 09:40 PM (#5596064)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

Would Have Voted For
Vladimir Guerrero (although if I was a writer, strategically knowing he was 15 votes short last year, the narrative, the uniqueness of his style a vote would be better served elsewhere, he would seem to be one where other writers might add just to "contribute" to getting someone elected, I might pass anyway)
Scott Rolen
Sammy Sosa

Could be Convinced
Andruw Jones
Jeff Kent
Johan Santana

If Japanese Stats were taken at (near) face value
Hideki Matsui

Sentimental Favorite
Fred McGriff (how would voters react to him if there had never been a strike?)
   59. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 20, 2017 at 10:39 PM (#5596072)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Trevor Hoffman
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome

Hoffman's case isn't strong. His reputation is excessively enhanced because when Mariano Rivera became a consensus Hall of Famer, Hoffman was still ahead of him in Saves. However, in real life I'm not cruel enough to bar a player with an arguable case who came within 5 votes last year. I don't think the voters are, either. Sosa is also borderline, but he's 9th in HRs, 29th in RBI, is an average HoF RFer by JAWS, has Thome as his most comparable player, and the rest of his Top 10 all HoFers & Sheffield, who I'd probably vote for without a 10-vote cap. Walker, Wagner, Rolen, and maybe Kent also make an unlimited ballot.
   60. G. Bostock Posted: December 21, 2017 at 05:05 PM (#5596562)
Chipper Jones
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Billy Wagner
   61. John DiFool2 Posted: December 21, 2017 at 08:28 PM (#5596636)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

   62. EddieA Posted: December 21, 2017 at 11:59 PM (#5596671)
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Jeff Kent
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
   63. Carl Goetz Posted: December 22, 2017 at 10:53 AM (#5596808)
Wow, 11 easy ones here without even having to put thought into Kent, Sosa, Vlad, A Jones, Wagner or Hoffman.
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Larry Walker

Sorry Gary Sheffield. I think you deserve it; baseball-wise anyway (as both a Redsox and Brewers fan I can't stand you)
   64. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 11:27 AM (#5596843)
90 minutes left
   65. EricC Posted: December 22, 2017 at 11:43 AM (#5596862)
Bonds
Clemens
Jones, Chipper
Martinez, Edgar
Mussina
Ramirez
Schilling
Sheffield
Thome
Walker

Biggest regrets: Kent and Guerrero
   66. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 22, 2017 at 12:04 PM (#5596876)
Roger Clemens
Chipper Jones
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome
Billy Wagner
Larry Walker

Maybe later:
Trevor Hoffman
   67. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 01:19 PM (#5596930)
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