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Monday, July 29, 2019

Most Meritorious Player: 1918 Ballot

For 1918 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 7 August 2019.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 6 August 2019.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: July 29, 2019 at 01:03 PM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: July 29, 2019 at 03:43 PM (#5866096)
1918 Ballot

1) Walter Johnson - A once-in-a-decade pitching performance. Nevermind that Johnson has done this 3 times in this decade.
2) Joe Williams - I think the MLE is underestimating his innings. 300 ERA+
3) Babe Ruth - two-way season makes it more difficult to calculate his value. Great postseason.
4) Heinie Groh - great defense not credited in BBREF WAR
5) Hippo Vaughn - postseason bonus after a very durable season. Decent bat for a pitcher
6) Ty Cobb - best offensive season, not great with the glove
7) Stan Coveleski
8) George Sisler - good glove, pitched a little
9) Scott Perry
10) Tris Speaker

11-15) Harry Hooper, Lefty Tyler, Charlie Hollocher, George Burns (AL), Cristobal Torriente
16-20) John Donaldson, Oscar Charleston, Pop Lloyd, Bill Pettus, Dick Lundy

Good season for pitchers with the war-depleted talent
   2. MrC. Posted: July 30, 2019 at 06:04 PM (#5866598)
1918 ballot

Some tweaks made to the batting numbers.

1. Walter Johnson 10.29 WARR
2. Hippo Vaughn 8.37WARR
3. Tris Speaker 7.64 WARR
4. George Sisler 7.18 WARR
5. Stan Coveleski 6.99 WARR
6. Babe Ruth 6.98 WARR
7. Ty Cobb 6.68 WARR
8. Dick Whitworth 6.60 WARR
9. Max Carey 6.11 WARR
10. George Burns (AL) 6.06 WARR

Rest of top 15
11. George Burns (NL)
12. Lefty Tyler
13. Art Fletcher
14. Oscar Charleston
15. Joe Williams
   3. caiman Posted: August 06, 2019 at 11:04 AM (#5868711)
Here's the RPA top players, per runs produced above the median:

1. Babe Ruth 49.25 runs (39.50 pitching + 9.75 hitting)
2. Ty Cobb 38.93 runs
3. Walter Johnson 37.88 runs
4. Stan Coveleski 29.58 runs
5. Harry Hooper 29.51 runs
6. Heine Groh 26.18 runs
7. George Sisler 25.60 runs
8. Hippo Vaughn 23.46 runs
9. Edd Roush 22.74 runs
10. Wilbur Cooper 22.02 runs
11. Charlie Hollocher 21.73 runs
12. George Burns 21.72 runs
13. Sherry Magee 20.58 runs
   4. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: August 07, 2019 at 08:25 AM (#5869018)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for Pennant-contender

1. Walter Johnson--pitching Triple Crown, completed ALL 29 games he started
2. Babe Ruth--192 OPS+ w/MLB leading 11 HRs along w/122 ERA+ while completing 18 of 19 games started, crazy
3. Ty Cobb--194 OPS+
4. Hippo Vaughn--top NL pitcher, rivaled the Big Train in K rate
5. Stan Coveleski--just behind Hippo
6. George Burns (AL)--158 OPS+, funny he had an NL counterpart. Say Goodnight, Gracie
7. George Sisler--158 OPS+ w/46 SBs but 16 less games than Mr. Burns
8. Joe Williams--best outside MLB
9. Tris Speaker
10.Heine Groh--as DL said had better defense than BBref suggests, edges teammate Roush for final spot
   5. bjhanke Posted: August 07, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5869043)
DL - Just so you know, I won't be submitting a ballot this "year." Last week, I ran the one Information Booth for a 60,000 person convention (GenCon, the giant annual convention for gamers). If you do that, some of the many people you talk to will be sick. So, I haven't done anything but sleep for the last three days, since I got home. I'm in no condition to do the thinking necessary to fill out a ballot, much less for a war year. Sorry. I'll be back next time. - Brock Hanke
   6. DL from MN Posted: August 07, 2019 at 10:34 AM (#5869047)
Once again, I am unable to post on the ballot thread, so could someone please transfer my ballot over there.

1918 MMP Ballot

1. Walter Johnson (30.19)
2. Babe Ruth (28.58) - AL MMPosition Player
3. Hippo Vaughn (24.45) - NL MMP
4. Ty Cobb (20.64)
5. George Sisler (19.47)
6. Oscar Charleston (18.60) - NgL MMP
7. Dick Redding (18.51) - NgL MMPitcher
8. Lefty Tyler (17.64)
9. Stan Coveleski (17.11)
10. Joe Williams (16.80)

11-17. Cristobal Torriente, Tris Speaker, Scott Perry, George Burns (AL), Harry Hooper, Carl Mays, Rogers Hornsby (NL MMPosition Player).
   7. Chris Fluit Posted: August 07, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5869080)
1918 Ballot- the deadest of the deadball years

1. Walter Johnson, P, Washington Senators: 214 ERA+ is 50 pts better than 2nd place
2. Babe Ruth, P/RF, Boston Red Sox: almost closes the gap on Johnson with his combined contributions
3. Stan Coveleski, Cleveland Indians: 164 ERA+ in 311 IP
4. Ty Cobb, CF, Detroit Tigers: leads AL with 194 OPS+ and 95 RC
5. Scott Perry, P, Philadelphia Athletics: 146 ERA+ in league leading 332 IP
6. Cristobal Torriente, CF, Cuban Stars West: 210 OPS+ in NgL play
7. Hippo Vaughn, P, Chicago Cubs: 159 ERA+ and 290 IP both lead NL
8. Joe Williams, P, New York Lincoln Giants 300 ERA+ in only 131 recorded innings
9. Charlie Hollocher, SS, Chicago Cubs: one of the all-time great rookie seasons with a 134 OPS+ and league leading 76 RC
10. Rogers Hornsby, SS, St. Louis Cardinals: 137 OPS+ but only 60 RC

11. Wilbur Cooper, P, Pittsburgh Pirates
12. George Burns, 1B, Philadelphia Athletics
13. Lefty Tyler, P, Chicago Cubs
14. George Sisler, 1B, St. Louis Browns
15. Burleigh Grimes, P, Brooklyn Robins
   8. bjhanke Posted: August 07, 2019 at 01:00 PM (#5869161)
Hi. This is Brock Hanke. I take back my earlier post. I am sick, but the consensus of WAR and Win Shares is so strong that I've been able to put together a ballot that, I think, makes sense. It's much easier to rank the only 15 players who have any chance of being on the ballot of ten than it is to scan a whole listing and figure out who's who. WAR has a strange ranking of Walter Johnson - far above any pitcher OR position player. Babe Ruth went 2-0 with an ERA just over 1 in the World Series. That's why I have Ruth at the top.

1. Babe Ruth
2. Walter Johnson
3. Hippo Vaughn
4. Ty Cobb
5. Stan Coveleski
6. Scott Perry (Yeah, who?, But the numbers are there, except for W/L, which are explained by his pitching for the post-Federal League A's.)
7. George Sisler
8. Tris Speaker
9. George Burns
10. Cristobal Torriente
   9. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 07, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5869213)
Official MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses and a 2% NL reduction):

1) Babe Ruth: Best ML/AL player and left fielder who also pitched well.
2) Smokey Joe Williams: Best ML/NeL pitcher and NeL player - I have him slightly better than the Big Train.
3) Walter Johnson: Best AL pitcher - don't let his placement here make anyone believe I don't think his season wasn't spectacular, because it surely was.
4) Cristóbal Torriente: Best NeL position player and outfielder.
5) Ty Cobb: Best ML center fielder.
6) John Henry Lloyd: Best ML/NeL shortstop.
7) Harry Hooper: Best ML right fielder.
8) Hippo Vaughn: Best NL pitcher and player.
9) Oscar Charleston: Best NeL player nicknamed Pop.
10) Stan Coveleski: Best pitcher with Polish ancestry.
   10. DL from MN Posted: August 13, 2019 at 10:10 AM (#5870898)
Election is over (for a while now).

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