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Most Meritorious Player: 1919 Ballot

For 1919 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 4 September 2019.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 3 September 2019.
For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:15 AM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5874768)
1919 Ballot

1) Babe Ruth - tops the list as a position player or a pitcher due to lapping the field in HR
2) Walter Johnson - another top season, top 20 of all the seasons in the project to date
3) Cannonball Dick Redding - best season from him
4) Dick Whitworth - best season from Whitworth also
5) Heinie Groh - solid defender, best NL position player
6) Pete Alexander - best NL pitcher
7) Bobby Veach - good bat, good fielder too, still not Ruth
8) George J Burns - the NL Bobby Veach
9) Hippo Vaughn - another great year for pitchers
10) Edd Roush - small postseason bonus, though I'm not exactly sure what to do with this postseason

11-15) Eddie Cicotte, Roger Peckinpaugh, Eddie Collins, Ty Cobb, George Sisler
16-18) Rogers Hornsby, Tris Speaker, Oscar Charleston
   2. MrC. Posted: September 01, 2019 at 06:37 PM (#5876194)
1919 ballot

1. Walter Johnson 10.16 WARR
2. Dick Whitworth 10.13 WARR
3. Bobby Veach 9.32 WARR.
4. Eddie Cicotte 9.26 WARR
5. Babe Adams 8.18 WARR
6. Pete Alexander 7.92 WARR
7. Babe Ruth 7.75 WARR
8. Roger Peckinpaugh 7.18 WARR
9. Tris Speaker 7.14 WARR
10 Dick Redding 7.05 WARR

Rest of the top 15
11. Art Fletcher
12. John Donaldson
13. George Burns (NL)
14. George Sisler
15. Del Pratt
   3. bjhanke Posted: September 03, 2019 at 03:01 AM (#5876374)
This is Brock Hanke’s ballot for 1919. It’s a very weird year in ordinals, with massive disagreements about players like Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker. I did the best I could. Oscar Charleston breaks completely loose in Negro ball.

1. Babe Ruth
2. Walter Johnson
3. Eddie Cicotte
4. Oscar Charleston
5. Bobby Veach
6. Hippo Vaughn
7. Shoeless Joe
8. Pete Alexander
9. Ty Cobb
10. Stan Covaleski
   4. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: September 03, 2019 at 10:26 PM (#5876619)
1919 MMP Ballot

1. Babe Ruth (29.68)
2. Dick Whitworth (26.98) - NgL MMP
3. Walter Johnson (25.32) - AL MMPitcher
4. Eddie Cicotte (23.16)
5. Dick Redding (20.99)
6. John Donaldson (20.72)
7. Pete Alexander (19.20) - NL MMP
8. Hippo Vaughn (16.80)
9. Rogers Hornsby (16.68) - NL MMPositon Player
10. Stan Coveleski (15.80)

11-15. Oscar Charleston (NgL MMPosition Player), Babe Adams, Bobby Veach, George Sisler, Heinie Groh.
   5. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: September 04, 2019 at 09:05 AM (#5876656)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Pennant-contender
Made some changes from Preliminary ballot

1. Babe Ruth
2. Walter Johnson
3. Eddie Cicotte
4. Bobby Veach
5. George Sisler
6. Dick Redding
7. Ty Cobb
8. Rogers Hornsby
9. Dick Whitworth
10.Pete Alexander
   6. Qufini Posted: September 04, 2019 at 09:09 AM (#5876659)
1919 Ballot

1. Babe Ruth, RF/P, Boston Red Sox: 1st place even before I include his pitching credit
2. Oscar Charleston, CF, Chicago American Giants: one of the greatest seasons in NgL history, with a 235 OPS+ and +9 fielding runs
3. Walter Johnson, P, Washington Senators: ho-hum, just another season with a 215 ERA+ in 290 IP
4. Eddie Cicotte, P, Chicago White Sox: a wonderful regular season followed by a suspiciously poor postseason
5. Cristobal Torriente, LF, Chicago American Giants: another legend having an outstanding season with a 194 OPS+
6. Hippo Vaughn, P, Chicago Cubs: another Chicago player, now with an NL best 306 IP and 160 ERA+
7. Dick Redding, P, Brooklyn/Atlantic City: a 233 ERA+ to go with a war-shortened 96 IP
8. Ty Cobb, CF, Detroit Tigers: 166 OPS+ and 109 runs created
9. Bobby Veach, LF, Detroit Tigers: 158 OPS+ and 109 runs created
10. Rogers Hornsby, UT, St. Louis Cardinals: top position player in the NL

11. Joe Jackson, Chicago White Sox
12. George Sisler, St. Louis Browns
13. Pete Alexander, P, Chicago Cubs
14. Babe Adams, P, Pittsburgh Pirates
15. Schang/Groh
   7. caiman Posted: September 04, 2019 at 03:09 PM (#5876775)
Here's the RPA top players for 1919, based on runs produced, above the median:

1. Babe Ruth 78.72 runs
2. Eddie Cicotte 39.27 runs
3. Walter Johnson 39.02 runs
4. Ty Cobb 38.35 runs
5. Babe Adams 36.33 runs
6. Bobby Veach 34.45 runs
7. Rogers Hornsby 32.08 runs
8. Shoeless Joe Jackson 31.31 runs
9. George Sisler 31.10 runs
10. George Burns 28.44 runs

11. Pete Alexander 26.13 runs
12. Gavvy Cravath 25.21 runs
   8. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 04, 2019 at 03:26 PM (#5876783)
Official MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses and a 4% deduction for NL players):

1) Babe Ruth: ML player and left fielder - IMO, no one close to him outside of the Negro Leagues.
2) Smokey Joe Williams: Best ML/NeL pitcher and NeL player by a ton.
3) Oscar Charleston: Best NeL position player and ML/NeL center fielder.
4) Walter Johnson: Best AL pitcher.
5) Ed Cicotte: Best crooked pitcher.
6) Hippo Vaughn: Best NL pitcher and player.
7) Ty Cobb: Best AL center fielder.
8) Pete Alexander: Best pitcher named Grover.
9) Edd Roush: Best NL center fielder.
10) Shoeless Joe Jackson: Best crooked left fielder.
   9. DL from MN Posted: September 04, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5876792)
Election is over

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