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Friday, April 20, 2018

Most Meritorious Player: 1942 Ballot

For 1942 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 2 May 2018.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 1 May 2018.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: April 20, 2018 at 11:44 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: April 20, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5657066)
1942 Ballot

1) Ted Williams - one of his better fielding seasons, the glove makes up for the drop in offense from 1941 and his 1942 scores higher than last season
2) Leon Day - would he have been a two-way player in MLB? I don't care. He was an extraordinary one for two different NGL teams. Shut down the Monarchs in the NGL World Series game that was not counted.
3) Enos Slaughter - World Series credit moves him above Clarkson
4) Bus Clarkson - best bat in NGL, decent SS too
5) Charlie Keller - big bat, decent World Series (2 HR)
6) Johnny Pesky
7) Josh Gibson - slight adjust upward for the bat but his defense was fading already at catcher
8) Joe Gordon - won the MVP but his fielding numbers are not impressive this season
9) Mel Ott
10) Mort Cooper - best MLB pitcher in a down year for pitchers

11-15) Phil Rizzuto, Stan Musial, Johnny Mize, Bobby Doerr, Pee Wee Reese
16-21) Bill Nicholson, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Lyons, Ted Strong, Dom Dimaggio, Hal White
   2. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 22, 2018 at 06:49 AM (#5657908)
1942 MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses and a 3% reduction for AL stats):

1) Ted Williams: Best ML player and left fielder - no one really that close, either.
2) Josh Gibson: Best ML/NeL catcher - whatever his defense, his Jimmie Foxx-like hitting at a premium defensive position is going to have him on my ballot virtually perennially.
3) Enos Slaughter: Best NL player and right fielder.
4) Mel Ott: Best foot-in-the-bucket stance.
5) Charlie Keller: Still the best player nicknamed after a fictional ape.
6) Johnny Mize: Best ML first baseman.
7) Mort Cooper: Best ML pitcher.
8) Joe DiMaggio: Best ML center fielder.
9) Joe Gordon: Best ML second baseman.
10) Pete Reiser: Best NL center fielder.

AL CYA: Tex Hughson (#11)
   3. Chris Fluit Posted: April 22, 2018 at 09:28 AM (#5657924)
1942 Ballot

1. Ted Williams, LF, Boston Red Sox: laps the league offensively with an OPS+ 53 pts higher and 50 more RC than 2nd place
2. Mort Cooper, P, St. Louis Cardinals: huge year leading the NL in ERA+ (192) while finishing 2nd in IP (278)
3. Joe Gordon, 2B, New York Yankees: best position player, non-Ted Williams division
4. Josh Gibson, C, Homestead Grays: back in the States with a 182 OPS+
5. Leon Day, P/CF, Newark Eagles: a monster on the mound (223 ERA+) and with the bat (145 OPS+)
6. Tex Hughson, P, Boston Red Sox: top hurler in the AL
7. Charlie Keller, LF, New York Yankees: 163 OPS+ and 118 RC aren't too shabby
8. Mel Ott, RF, New York Giants
9. Enos Slaughter, RF, St. Louis Cardinals: Ott and Slaughter are virtually identical, Ott is first in the NL in OPS+ (165) while Slaughter is first in RC (119)
10. Ernie Lombardi, C, Boston Braves: I love catchers who can hit and Lombardi's 162 OPS+ is 2nd in the NL

11. Johnny Mize, 1B, New York Giants
12. Johnny Pesky, SS, Boston Red Sox
13. Tiny Bonham, P, New York Yankees
14. Bill Nicholson, RF, Chicago Cubs
15. Ted Lyons, P, Chicago White Sox
   4. bjhanke Posted: April 25, 2018 at 05:59 PM (#5660407)
This is Brock Hanke's ballot for 1942. I spent most of my agonizing time over whether to include Bus Clarkson or Josh Gibson, or go with Musial at #10, where my consensus ordinals put him. I finally decided to go with Musial because he was young and healthy, Josh Gibson was starting to show age, I believe, and wasn't catching every day, and what Bus Clarkson did had last been tried in the majors by Wes Farrell, IIRC, who promptly hurt his arm. So, anyway, here it is:

1. Ted Williams
2. Mel Ott
3. Charlie Keller
4. Enos Slaughter
5. Joe Gordon
6. Joe DiMaggio
7. Johnny Mize
8. Mort Cooper
9. Johnny Pesky
10. Stan Musial

My #11 would be Tex Hughson, who would be my best AL pitcher.
   5. DL from MN Posted: April 26, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5660892)
Brock - I think you mean Leon Day when you say Bus Clarkson
   6. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: April 26, 2018 at 11:35 PM (#5661472)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender
1. Williams
2. Cooper
3. Day -very interesting top 3: an AL hitter, a NL pitcher, and hitter/pitcher who played outside MLB
4. Clarkson
5. Gordon
6. Keller
7. Gibson -strong year for NGL
8. Slaughter
9. Dimaggio
10.Ott -edges out Mize & Hughson who was top AL pitcher
   7. DL from MN Posted: April 27, 2018 at 08:26 AM (#5661496)
Tubbs - will need clarification on which DiMaggio
   8. bjhanke Posted: April 28, 2018 at 01:15 AM (#5662142)
DL - Actually, I was thinking of both Day and Clarkson, looking back on the discussion thread. The point still holds. Wes Ferrell tried to both pitch and position play in 1933, and hurt his arm. He recovered, and his career didn't collapse, but I do not believe that any major league player has been allowed to try that since 1933. Rick Ankiel was allowed to try both pitching and then position play, but not at the same time. Possibly the most important point about Ferrell is that a lot of people around baseball predicted that Ferrell would hurt his arm. When he did, they looked like geniuses. I probably should add that I'm not saying that this is impossible. I'm saying that no one in the majors has tried it since 1933, which is before 1942. For all I know, both Day and Clarkson could have done it, but neither would have been allowed to. So I can't give them credit for doing it here. - Brock
   9. DL from MN Posted: May 01, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5663520)
Voting is scheduled to end tomorrow
   10. MrC. Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:21 PM (#5663855)
1942 Final Ballot

1. Ted Williams 12.77 WARR
2. Dom DiMaggio 8.04 WARR
3. John Pesky 7.99 WARR
4. Joe Gordon 7.94 WARR adj+
5. Mort Cooper 7.73 WARR
6. Bill Nicholson 7.25 WARR
7. Phil Rizzuto 7.16 WARR
8. Charlie Keller 7.10 WARR adj+
9. Stan Musial 6.95 WARR adj+
10. Pee Wee Reese 6.54 WARR

Rest of the top 15
11. Enos Slaughter
12. Joe DiMaggio
13. Elbie Fletcher
14. Bobby Doerr
15. Johnny Miize

AL Pitcher Hal Newhouser
   11. DL from MN Posted: May 02, 2018 at 10:04 AM (#5664300)
No ballot yet from Michael Binkley.
   12. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: May 02, 2018 at 03:42 PM (#5664691)
1942 MMP ballot:

1. Ted Willams
2. Joe Gordon
3. Mort Cooper - NL MMP
4. Josh Gibson - again, I have him staying at catching rather than 1b
5. Charlie Keller
6. Enos Slaughter - NL MMPosition Player
7. Joe DiMaggio
8. Leon Day
9. Johnny Pesky
10. Stan Musial

11-15. Johnny Mize, Mel Ott, Bus Clarkson, Phil Rizzuto, Tex Hughson (AL MMPitcher).
   13. DL from MN Posted: May 02, 2018 at 04:02 PM (#5664715)
Election is complete

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