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Tuesday, May 29, 2018

Most Meritorious Player: 1943 Ballot

For 1943 each voter should rank the top 10 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 6 June 2018.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 5 June 2018.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: May 29, 2018 at 04:58 PM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: May 29, 2018 at 07:02 PM (#5681741)
1943 Ballot

1) Stan Musial - this is not close
2) Luke Appling
3) Josh Gibson - those are your NL, AL and NGL MVPs and there is considerable separation between them and the rest of the pack
4) Spud Chandler - clearly the best pitcher in 1943, stellar postseason boosts him above the rest
5) Charlie Keller
6) Lou Boudreau - I had to break a tie here and Keller has better rate production
7) Bill Nicholson -
8) Joe Gordon - good World Series but not enough to catch Nicholson
9) Arky Vaughan
10) Lou Klein

11-15) Augie Galan, Bobby Doerr, Hi Bithorn, Johnny Markham, Rudy York
16-20) Schoolboy Rowe, Bill Dickey, Johnny Wright, Nate Andrews, Tommy Bridges
   2. bjhanke Posted: May 30, 2018 at 05:48 AM (#5681981)
Here’s Brock Hanke’s ballot for 1943. This time, I just went with the consensus, such as it is, of the Win Share and WAR ordinals. There are disconnects between the two systems, but this is 1943, the first of the WWII years where lots of top players were in the military. So, I just left adjusting alone and went with the ordinals. This includes Josh Gibson. Treating his Win Share and WAR “rankings”, from DL’s header, produced a ranking of 4th, which I don’t think anyone is going to gripe about too much. Anyway, here it is:

1. Stan Musial
2. Luke Appling
3. Lou Boudreau
4. Josh Gibson
5. Charlie Keller
6. Bill Nicholson
7. Spud Chandler
8. Joe Gordon
9. Mort Cooper
10. Augie Galan

A surprise here. Checking with DL's ballot above, I see that he agrees with me until the the end of the list. He has Arky Vaughn and Lou Klein. I have Mort Cooper and Augie Galan. The Klein / Galan thing is nothing; I have Klein 11th, and DL has Galan 11th. But DL has Cooper nowhere near the ballot. It has been rare, over the length of the project, for DL to rank a pitcher much lower than I do. But, well, 1943. WAR has Arky Vaughn ranked much higher than Win Shares, so that's the source of that disconnect. But it isn't a lot of places. Win Shares ranks Vaughn 25th, WAR has him 7th.
   3. DL from MN Posted: May 30, 2018 at 09:15 AM (#5682047)
I overlooked Cooper's postseason contribution. He should have made my top 20 in the 16-20 range.
   4. caiman Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:16 PM (#5683160)
Here's the RPA list. Hope you do not mind me posting more than 10. As usual, it is by run value, above the median:

1. Charlie Keller 55.77 runs
2. Bill Nicholson 49.37 runs
3. Stan Musial 48.08 runs
4. Roy Cullenbine 37.68 runs
5. Rudy York 34.74 runs
6. Jeff Heath 33.31 runs
7. Augie Galan 32.18 runs
8. Mel Ott 30.16 runs
9. Luke Appling 29.94 runs
10. Joe Gordon 28.33 runs

11. Lou Boudreau 28.17 runs
12. Eric Tipton 27.22 runs
13. Vern Stephens 24.89 runs
14. Bill Dickey 24.78 runs
15. Nate Andrews 24.62 runs
16. Whit Wyatt 23.90 runs
17. Spud Chandler 23.72 runs
18. Mort Cooper 23.64 runs
   5. MrC. Posted: May 31, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5683165)
1943 Final ballot

1. Stan Musial 12.7 WARR
2. Lou Boudreau 9.14 WARR
3. Charlie keller 7.92 WARR
4. Joe Gordon 7.91 WARR
5. Spud Chandler 7.65 WARR
6. Augie Galan 7.62 WARR
7. Luke Appling 7.37 WARR
8. Rudy York 7.10 WARR
9. Bill Nicholson 7.08 WARR
10. Josh Gibson 6.48 WARR

Rest of top 20
Lou Klein
Jeff Heath
Eric tipton
Johnny Niggeling
Mort Cooper top NL Pitcher
   6. DL from MN Posted: June 01, 2018 at 10:02 AM (#5683887)
I can't count caiman's ballot because he doesn't consider NGL players but I appreciate the numbers for discussion.
   7. Chris Fluit Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5684801)
1943 Ballot

1. Stan Musial, RF, St. Louis Cardinals: dominates a diminished league with 177 OPS+ and 147 RC
2. Spud Chandler, P, New York Yankees: head and shoulders ahead of the AL with 198 ERA+ in 253 IP
3. Josh Gibson, C, Homestead Grays: a 267 OPS+ in 77 G
4. Bill Nicholson, RF, Chicago Cubs: 166 OPS+ and 123 RC
5. Luke Appling, SS, Chicago White Sox: best position player in the AL with a 143 OPS+ and 103 RC at shortstop
6. Max Lanier, P, St. Louis Cardinals: 178 ERA+ in 213 IP
7. Mort Cooper, P, St. Louis Cardinals: 147 ERA+ in 274 IP
8. Johnny Wright, P, Homestead Grays: 191 ERA+ in 212 IP
9. Charlie Keller, LF, New York Yankees: 167 OPS+ and 106 RC
10. Lou Boudreau, SS, Cleveland Indians: 134 OPS+ and +18 defense from short

11. Willard Brown, CF, Kansas City Monarchs: 198 OPS+ in 52 G
12. Rudy York, 1B, Detroit Tigers
13. Babe Herman, 2B, Chicago Cubs
14. Dizzy Trout, P, Detroit Tigers
15. Nate Andrews, P, Boston Braves
   8. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: June 04, 2018 at 02:09 PM (#5685703)
1943 MMP Ballot

1. Stan Musial (28.57)
2. Josh Gibson (25.17) - NeL MMP -again, I start with Eric Chalek's MLEs, but I adjust to keep Gibson at C, since that is where he played
3. Luke Appling (19.90) - AL MMP
4. Lou Boudreau (18.72)
5. Spud Chandler (17.57) - MMPitcher
6. Joe Gordon (16.47)
7. Charlie Keller (16.25)
8. Bill Nicholson (15.84)
9. Rudy York (12.60)
10. Bill Klein (12.55)

11-15. Johnny Wright (NeL MMPitcher), Mort Cooper (NL MMPitcher), Tommy Bridges, Rip Sewell, Dizzy Trout

1943 All-Star Team:

c - Josh Gibson
1b - Rudy York
2b - Joe Gordon
ss - Luke Appling
3b - Bob Elliott
lf - Charlie Keller
cf - Augie Galan
rf - Stan Musial

sp - Spud Chandler, Johnny Wright, Mort Cooper, Tommy Bridges, Rip Sewell
   9. DL from MN Posted: June 04, 2018 at 03:44 PM (#5685757)
Is #10 Lou Klein?
   10. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: June 04, 2018 at 07:47 PM (#5685894)
Yes, it is. Sorry and thanks, DL.
   11. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: June 05, 2018 at 08:42 AM (#5686069)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender
1. Stan Musial--underrated great of the game
2. Josh Gibson
3. Spud Chandler--I didn't realize he was as old as he was
4. Bill Nicholson--top NL player
5. Charlie Keller--played at HOF level before injuries
6. Rudy York
7. Luke Appling--I don't have him quite as high up as others do
8. Mort Cooper--top NL pitcher
9. Lou Boudreau
10.Johnny Wright
   12. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2018 at 05:08 PM (#5686439)
Official 1943 MMP ballot (no postseason bonuses and a slight deduction for AL players):

!) Stan Musial: Best ML player and right fielder.
2) Josh Gibson: Best NeL player and top catcher.
3) Luke Appling: Best AL player and ML shortstop.
4) Charlie Keller: Best ML left fielder.
5) Bill Nicholson: Best wiffer.
6) Augie Galan: Best ML center fielder.
7) Lou Boudreau: Best boy manager.
8) Spud Chandler: Best ML pitcher.
9) Mort Cooper: Best NL pitcher.
10) Arky Vaughan: Best NL shortstop.
   13. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2018 at 08:03 PM (#5686554)
Best wiffer.


Whiffer, that is.
   14. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 06, 2018 at 06:27 AM (#5686769)
REVISED!

1) Stan Musial: Best ML player and right fielder.
2) Josh Gibson: Best NeL player and top catcher.
3) Luke Appling: Best AL player and ML shortstop.
4) Charlie Keller: Best ML left fielder.
5) Bill Nicholson: Best whiffer.
6) Spud Chandler: Best ML pitcher.
7) Augie Galan: Best ML center fielder.
8) Lou Boudreau: Best boy manager.
9) Mort Cooper: Best NL pitcher.
10) Arky Vaughan: Best NL shortstop.
   15. DL from MN Posted: June 06, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5687178)
Election over

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