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Most Meritorious Player: 1943 Discussion

The exodus of star players to war is significant. The Yankees beat the Cardinals in a World Series rematch. Vote for 10.

Player			SH WS		BBR WAR
Stan Musial		39.4		9.4
Luke Appling		40.6		7.6
Lou Boudreau		30.7		7.9
Charlie Keller		35.2		6.7
Bill Nicholson		31.1		6.9
Joe Gordon		27.7		6.7
Arky Vaughan		28.6		4.6
Lou Klein		25.6		5.8
Augie Galan		28.3		5.4
Bobby Doerr		23.9		5.1
Rudy York		25.4		6.3
Bill Dickey		19.6		3.9
Roy Cullenbine		26.2		4.8
Bob Elliott		24.8		4.5
Billy Herman		26.5		4.7
Ray Mueller		25.1		3.2
Billy Johnson		21.9		3.8
Vern Stephens		21.8		3.6
Eric Tipton		26.6		4.3
Stan Spence		28.2		4.4
Marty Marion		17.6		4.3
Jerry Priddy		20.3		3.3
George Case		25.1		3.4
Lonny Frey		25.3		4.5
Jeff Heath		22.8		4.1
Elbie Fletcher		21.2		4.2
Stan Hack		21.0		3.5
Bob Johnson		19.2		3.1
Vince DiMaggio		20.4		3.2
Tommy Holmes		22.5		3.2
Dick Wakefield		24.0		3.4
Walker Cooper		17.2		3.2

Josh Gibson		35.1		7.1
Willard Brown		20.4		4.0
Tetelo Vargas		12.4		1.9
Larry Doby		8.2		1.7
Buck Leonard		16.5		2.8
Alex Radcliff		9.4		1.8
Howard Easterling	15.2		3.5
Sam Bankhead 		9.9		3.1
		

Pitcher			SH WS		BBR WAR
Spud Chandler		28.2		7.3
Hi Bithorn		18.8		5.3
Schoolboy Rowe		18.7		6.1
Nate Andrews		25.8		5.0
Tommy Bridges		16.5		5.3
Dizzy Trout		22.4		5.6
Rip Sewell		22.8		5.8
Mort Cooper		28.3		5.7
Tiny Bonham		20.3		5.0
Whit Wyatt		14.8		4.9
Tex Hughson		19.6		5.0
Jim Tobin		23.7		4.3
Jesse Flores		14.0		4.5
Denny Galehouse		15.7		3.8
Johnny Niggeling	14.6		3.8
Max Lanier		23.1		4.4
Elmer Riddle		21.8		3.9
Claude Passeau		15.8		4.0
Max Butcher		14.2		3.9
Early Wynn		17.8		3.9
Johnny Van Der Meer	19.3		3.6
Virgil Trucks		16.1		3.7
Howie Pollett		13.7		3.6
Al Javery		22.3		2.2

Johnny Wright		19.4		7.3
Johnny Markham	2.2    	1.6		
Dave Barnhill		13.4		4.0
Bill Byrd		13.4		5.0
Satchel Paige		7.4		2.9
DL from MN Posted: May 02, 2018 at 01:36 PM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: May 02, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5664543)
List of Negro League players serving in WWII

http://www.baseballinwartime.com/negro.htm

Includes Leon Day, Bus Clarkson, Monte Irvin, Joe Black, Dan Bankhead, Larry Doby, Sammy T Hughes, Ted Strong and Jackie Robinson
   2. DL from MN Posted: May 02, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5664560)
List of MLB players serving in WWII

http://www.baseballinwartime.com/those_who_served/those_who_served_atoz.htm

Includes Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, Dom DiMaggio, Johnny Pesky, Bob Feller, Warren Spahn, Ted Lyons, Pee Wee Reese, Pete Reiser, Johnny Mize, Ralph Kiner, Enos Slaughter, Phil Rizzuto, Tommy Henrich, Hank Greenberg and Cecil Travis
   3. DL from MN Posted: May 03, 2018 at 11:27 AM (#5665205)
Looking over the Negro League players I see two main candidates - Willard Brown and Josh Gibson.

First - you need to adjust the WAR/Win Shares numbers to account for the fact that the Homestead Grays have more recorded games than anyone else. Looking at rate stats for hitters, this is the top 6 on Seamheads
Player Team Pos G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO IBB HBP SH SF DP BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
Josh Gibson HG/SAS C 77 338 278 101 123 23 9 20 112 5  59   1 0 0  0.442 0.541 0.806 1.347 263
Tetelo Vargas NYC CF 30 136 121 34 57 6 4 0 18 3  15   0 0 0  0.471 0.529 0.587 1.116 200
Willard Brown KCM/SAS CF 52 210 192 34 68 14 2 7 30 4  17   0 1 0  0.354 0.407 0.557 0.964 198
Larry Doby* NE 2B 28 127 103 18 31 8 3 4 22 5  20   1 3 0  0.301 0.419 0.553 0.973 160
Alex Radcliff CAG 3B 32 133 129 13 46 7 1 1 19 2  4   0 0 0  0.357 0.376 0.45 0.826 157
Buck Leonard* HG/SAS 1B 75 347 284 80 92 19 9 4 67 3  55   2 6 0  0.324 0.437 0.496 0.933 156


Tetelo Vargas had a big year but it is an outlier compared to surrounding years and he was 37 years old.

Brown's 1943 looks very similar to his 1941. I wasn't inclined to give him a ballot slot in 1941 but the competition is not as tough in 1943. I think he probably hit similar to Cullenbine or Augie Galan but the evidence shows them as better fielders.

Josh Gibson has another monster season. He split time with 10 games in RF and it is likely he would have started to transition to 1B in the big leagues. That will still keep him solidly on my ballot in 1943.
   4. DL from MN Posted: May 03, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5665227)
1943 Prelim

1) Stan Musial - this is not close
2) Luke Appling
3) Josh Gibson - those are your NL, AL and NGL MVPs and there is considerable separation between them and the rest of the pack
4) Lou Boudreau
5) Charlie Keller
6) Spud Chandler - clearly the best pitcher in 1943.
7) Bill Nicholson
8) Joe Gordon
9) Arky Vaughan
10) Lou Klein

11-15) Augie Galan, Bobby Doerr, Hi Bithorn, Johnny Markham, Rudy York
16-20) Schoolboy Rowe, Johnny Wright, Bill Dickey, Nate Andrews, Tommy Bridges
   5. DL from MN Posted: May 03, 2018 at 11:50 AM (#5665231)
I gave too little attention to the Negro League pitchers. Markham and Wright were the best and they faced off in the 1943 NGL World Series. Markham had two shutouts but Wright had the lower RA (2.10 to 1.52).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/1943_Negro_World_Series
   6. bjhanke Posted: May 04, 2018 at 12:04 AM (#5666019)
DL - Do the Negro Leaguers have their Win Share and WAR columns switched? It sure looks like it, just looking at the magnitude of the numbers.
   7. DL from MN Posted: May 04, 2018 at 09:35 AM (#5666107)
Yes - should be fixed now
   8. bjhanke Posted: May 06, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5667304)
DL - I should have asked this three "years" ago. What is the source of the Negro Leaguers MLEs? In particular, how did the people who calculate them decide what caliber the Negro Leagues actually were, compared to the Major Leagues?
   9. DL from MN Posted: May 07, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5667749)
The numbers I have in post #3 are NOT MLE's, they're the seamheads data. Eric Chalek has done some MLEs and has been posting links to his updates periodically in threads on the hot topics sidebar.

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