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Friday, September 07, 2018

Most Meritorious Player: 1946 Results

Congratulations to Ted Williams, the unanimous MMP of 1946!

Player Name	pts	ballots	1sts
Ted Williams	105	7	7
Stan Musial	94	7	0
Hal Newhouser	88	7	0
Bob Feller	76	6	0
Hank Greenberg	68	7	0
Johnny Pesky	37	4	0
Dizzy Trout	33	4	0
Howie Pollet	32	4	0
Charlie Keller	32	4	0
Josh Gibson	25	2	0
Johnny Mize	25	3	0
Monte Irvin	22	2	0
Johnny Sain	17	2	0
Bobby Doerr	14	2	0
Mickey Vernon	14	2	0
Willard Brown	9	1	0
Eddie Stanky	8	1	0
Jackie Robinson	8	1	0
Pee Wee Reese	8	1	0
Leon Day	8	1	0
Spud Chandler	6	1	0
Enos Slaughter	6	1	0
DL from MN Posted: September 07, 2018 at 04:12 PM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: September 07, 2018 at 04:20 PM (#5740644)
This is Ted Williams' 3rd MMP award and 10th season with MMP votes. Players with 3+ MMP awards and 10+ times on ballot:

Bonds 7/18
Mays 6/16
Pujols 3/11
Wagner 4/11
Mantle 3/11

Player #ballots
S Musial 12
T Williams 10
J Gibson 7
J Robinson 6
C Keller 5
H Newhouser 3
B Feller 3
J Mize 3
M Irvin 3
   2. Chris Fluit Posted: September 10, 2018 at 02:37 PM (#5741639)
For the second year in a row, we need a runoff to determine one of the smaller awards as the difference between Josh Gibson and Monte Irvin is officially "too close to call." Please submit a list of your top three Negro League players.
   3. Chris Fluit Posted: September 10, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5741641)
In other news, Hal Newhouser is the pitching MMP. This makes back-to-back awards for Newhouser, joining an elite group that includes Ed Walsh, Christy Mathewson, Robin Roberts, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Dave Stieb, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay and Clayton Kershaw.
   4. Chris Fluit Posted: September 10, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5741642)
Over on the Senior Circuit, Stan Musial has won his third NL MMP ('43, '44 and '46) while Stan's St. Louis teammate Howie Pollet is the NL pitching MMP.
   5. Chris Fluit Posted: September 10, 2018 at 02:42 PM (#5741643)
My top three Negro League Players:

1. Leon Day
2. Monte Irvin
3. Larry Doby
   6. MrC. Posted: September 10, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5741759)
Top three Negro League players

1. Jackie Robinson - I don't know if you consider him here; since he did not play in the Negro leagues
********************
2. Monte Irvin
3. Josh Gibson
4. Larry Doby
   7. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 11, 2018 at 08:16 AM (#5742039)
1) Josh Gibson
2) Monte Irvin
3) Willard Brown
   8. DL from MN Posted: September 11, 2018 at 10:21 AM (#5742118)
N/A Jackie Robinson
1) Monte Irvin
2) Josh Gibson
3) Larry Doby

I would suggest 1947 or 1948 as the last year to track a NGL MMP. The Negro National League ended after 1948 and the Negro American League became essentially a minor league after that. In 1947 a full team's worth of talent was already pulled out of black baseball and into the MLB system with everyone who had the opportunity abandoning the Negro Leagues by the 1948 offseason.

Also Seamheads currently does not have NGL stats for 1948 and later.
   9. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: September 11, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5742258)
1. Josh Gibson
(Jackie Robinson)
2. Bobby Avila
3. Larry Doby
   10. Chris Fluit Posted: September 11, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5742259)
I would suggest 1947 or 1948 as the last year to track a NGL MMP. The Negro National League ended after 1948 and the Negro American League became essentially a minor league after that. In 1947 a full team's worth of talent was already pulled out of black baseball and into the MLB system with everyone who had the opportunity abandoning the Negro Leagues by the 1948 offseason.

I definitely agree. By 1949, the former Negro Leaguers were flooding the Pacific Coast League, independent leagues and minor leagues, even as MLB allowed a mere trickle of players through the color barrier. The NAL of 1949 and later was a shell of its former self. I'll track a NGL MMP for '47 but I haven't yet decided on '48.
   11. DL from MN Posted: September 11, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5742316)
2. Bobby Avila


Bobby Avila was in the Mexican Leagues. Not sure if that counts for this subgrouping.
   12. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: September 11, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5742332)
2. Bobby Avila


Bobby Avila was in the Mexican Leagues. Not sure if that counts for this subgrouping.


If not, move Doby up to 2 and Bus Clarkson slides into 3.

Also, for Chris Fluit, I believe I may have mentioned it somewhere else, but I don't know if you ever saw it, but going through the MMP archives, you have Nap Lajoie listed as the AL MMPosition Player for 1902. However, Ed Delahanty finished 36 pts ahead of him that year and Big Ed played for the Senators that year. thanks again for your excellent work keeping the archives.
   13. Chris Fluit Posted: September 11, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5742384)
Bobby Avila was in the Mexican Leagues. Not sure if that counts for this subgrouping.

That doesn't matter. Josh Gibson won a NGL MMP with Veracruz.

I also appreciate that the voters have indicated where they would have included Jackie Robinson. I was on the fence about whether to include Jackie's season in Montreal. If he had won, I likely would have gone ahead and recognized him. As it is, he's safely third.

Also, for Chris Fluit, I believe I may have mentioned it somewhere else, but I don't know if you ever saw it, but going through the MMP archives, you have Nap Lajoie listed as the AL MMPosition Player for 1902. However, Ed Delahanty finished 36 pts ahead of him that year and Big Ed played for the Senators that year. thanks again for your excellent work keeping the archives.

Good catch. Thank you. At least it's not as embarrassing as the time I credited Willie Mays as a New York Yankee.
   14. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 15, 2018 at 07:19 AM (#5744777)
That doesn't matter. Josh Gibson won a NGL MMP with Veracruz.


Right, Chris. As long as it was a legitimate league and its strength can be ascertained accurately, it should count, IMO.
   15. Chris Fluit Posted: September 16, 2018 at 05:03 PM (#5745122)
bjhanke and Tubbs, are you guys willing to submit your top three Negro Leaguers for 1946?
   16. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: September 16, 2018 at 09:04 PM (#5745183)
I had started one, I'm gonna see if I can finish it tonight
   17. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: September 16, 2018 at 09:44 PM (#5745206)
1. Irvin--edges Doby due to advantage in OPS, WAR, & WSH as well as playing more difficult defensive position
2. Doby--along with Irvin must've been one heck of a double play tandem. Both future HOFers
3. Day--beats Gibson for final spot, no wonder the Eagles won
   18. Chris Fluit Posted: September 17, 2018 at 03:56 PM (#5745858)
And that settles it. Thanks, Tubbs. bjhanke had Irvin on his ballot, but not Gibson. So even if bj puts Gibson 2nd or 3rd for the runoff, Irvin takes it. Thanks, everyone.

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