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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's AllTime Best Friday, March 21, 2014Most Meritorious Player: 1952 BallotFor 1952, each voter should rank their top 10 players from both leagues combined. Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EST on 2 April 2014. Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 1 April 2014. For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots. 
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1. DL from MN Posted: March 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM (#4674835)1) Jackie Robinson  close between Robinson and Shantz. Robinson gets a little postseason credit for the .367 OBP.
2) Bobby Shantz  terrific pitching season, decent hitter too
3) Stan Musial
4) Robin Roberts  best NL pitcher 3 years running
5) Yogi Berra  C bonus and good postseason
6) Mickey Mantle  outstanding postseason bumps him above Doby
7) Larry Doby
8) Hank Sauer  great defense
9) Warren Spahn
10) Billy Pierce
1115) Solly Hemus, Ken Raffensberger, Al Rosen, Gil Hodges, Red Schoendienst
1) Larry Doby: Best ML player and center fielder.
2) Stan Musial: Best NL player and center fielder.
3) Jackie Robinson: Best ML second baseman.
4) Mickey Mantle: Best sophomore year.
5) Robin Roberts: Best ML pitcher.
6) Bobby Shantz: Best AL pitcher.
7) Al Rosen: Best AL third baseman.
8) Yogi Berra: Best ML catcher.
9) Hank Sauer: Best ML left fielder.
10) Joe Black: Best ML reliever.
Earliest I have submitted my MMP ballot! :D
1. Robin Roberts  Tiebreaker with Shantz were his 60, 2.67 dominance of the Dodgers, plus 50 more innings
2. Bobby Shantz  Put up what may have been the best AL pitching performance of the decade
3. Jackie Robinson  The total package of batting, fielding and baserunning
4. Stan Musial  Close call with both Robinson above and Mantle below
5. Mickey Mantle  Tiebreaker with Doby was his MVPlevel World Series performance
6. Larry Doby  Virtual tie with The Mick
7. Yogi Berra  Best catcher in the game
8. Billy Pierce  Terrible run support was the cause of his mediocre 1512 record
9. Hank Sauer  One dimensional player with a great first half
10. Al Rosen  Stellar offensive numbers but statistics hide the awfulness of his fielding
1. Jackie Robinson, 2B, Brooklyn Dodgers
2. Stan Musial, CF, St. Louis Cardinals
3. Robin Roberts, P, Philadelphia Phillies
4. Al Rosen, 3B, Cleveland Indians
5. Bobby Shantz, P, Philadelphia Athletics
6. Larry Doby, CF, Cleveland Indians
7. Mickey Mantle, CF, New York Yankees
8. Bob Lemon, P, Cleveland Indians
9. Yogi Berra, C, New York Yankees
10. Mike Garcia, P, St. Louis Browns
11. Allie Reynolds, P, New York Yankees
12. Bob Rush, P, Chicago Cubs
13. Solly Hemus, SS, St. Louis Cardinals
14. Hank Sauer, LF, Chicago Cubs
15. Warren Spahn, P, Boston Braves
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I've voted in HoM elections before, though not that often. But I'll be glad to post a prelim in the discussion thread.
This is my usual system, combining a few WAR(P) systems and one WS and one WSAB.
10% catcher bonus and no postseason consideration.
1 Robinson, Jackie 9387
2 Shantz, Bobby 9311
3 Musial, Stan 9105
4 Roberts, Robin 9011
5 Doby, Larry 8477
6 Mantle, Mickey 8147
7 Rosen, Al 7591
8 Berra, Yogi 7389
9 Sauer, Hank 7038
10 Pierce, Billy 7025
11 Hemus, Solly 6850
12 Rush, Bob 6610
13 Hodges, Gil 6437
14 Lemon, Bob 6413
15 Garcia, Mike 6350
Batters: start with RAA (using XR runs), adjust for park, position and defense (average of TZ, and DRA) Convert adjusted RAA to wins. Add 60% of normal Runs above replacement to get WARR (wins above reduced replacement)
Pitchers: start with RAA, adjust for quality of opposition, park, and team defense (average of TZ, DRA) Convert adjusted RAA to wins. Add 60% of normal runs above replacement to get WARR (wins above reduced replacement)
1. Bobby Shantz 7.96 WARR
2. Jackie Robinson 7.51 WARR
3. Stan Musial 7.47 WARR
4. Larry Doby 7.17 WARR
5. Mickey Mantle 6.78 WARR
6. Robin Roberts 6.83 WARR
7. Solly Hemus 6.32 WARR
8. Hank Sauer 5.89 WARR
9. Billy Pierce 5.69 WARR
10. Gil Hodges 5.50 WARR
Rest of top 20
11. Warren Spahn
12. Al Rosen
13. Yogi Berra
14. Bob Rush
15. Red Schoendienst
16. Warren Hacker
17. Alvin Dark
18. Ken Raffensberger
19. Ferris Fain
20. Bob Lemon
1. Jackie Robinson
2. Stan Musial
3. Bobby Shantz
4. Robin Roberts
5. Larry Doby
6. Mickey Mantle
7. Al Rosen
8. Hank Sauer
9. Solly Hemus
10. Al Dark
My next, five, in order, would have been Yogi Berra, Billy Pierce, Gil Hodges, Bob Lemon, and Ferris Fain.
2. Jackie Robinson
3. Robin Roberts
4. Stan Musial
5. Yogi Berra
6. Larry Doby
7. Billy Pierce
8. Mickey Mantle
9. Solly Hemus
10. Warren Spahn
No postseason bonus but in some cases a small bonus for playing for a Pennant winner/contender:
1. Roberts
2. Shantz
3. J.Robinson
4. Musial
5. Doby
6. Berra
7. Rosen
8. Reynolds
9. Lemon
10.Mantle
Some commentsGarcia was probably my #11. Good years by Luke Easter and Hank Sauer. Easter may have had a HOF career if not for integration. Sauer would've had a HOF caliber career if his 20s had been half as good as his 30s.
I modified my pitcher numbers from my prelim  no changes ordinalwise other than Pierce dropping behind Yogi and the Mick.
1) Jackie Robinson (47.06)
2) Bobby Shantz (44.69)
3) Robin Roberts (43.69)
4) Larry Doby (38.19)
5) Stan Musial (37.10)
6) Yogi Berra (34.28)
7) Mickey Mantle (34.23)
8) Billy Pierce (33.52)
9) Warren Spahn (32.61)
10) Al Rosen (31.37)
1120) Hodges, Lemon, Garcia, Raffensberger, Sauer, Hemus, Rush, Reynolds, Fain, Schoendienst
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