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Monday, March 26, 2012

Most Meritorious Player: 1970 Results

Another close result, and congratulations to Carl Yastrzemski, 1970’s Most Meritorious Player!

		1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	Pts
Yastrzemski	5	5		1									157
Bench		4	4	1		2								151
Gibson		1		3	2	2	1			1			1	121
Fregosi				1	3	1	3	1		1			1	110
Harper			1	1		2	2	3			2			108
McCovey				4	1	1	1		1	1	1			106
Perez				1	3		1	2	1	1	1	1		103
McDowell				1	1	1			2	2	1		64
Powell			1				1			2		1	2	51
White						1	1	2			1	1		50
Williams							1	3	1				40
Oliva									2		1		1	26
Jenkins									1		1	1	1	23
Dietz								1		1			1	20
Carty									1	1			1	19
Grabarkewitz										1	1	1	15
Seaver		1												15
Perry												2	1	14
Bonds								1				1		14
Howard									1			1		13
Palmer									1				1	12
Campaneris					1								11
Killebrew										1			6
BRobinson											1		5

Total Ballots: 11

Johnny Bench is the NL MMP. The NL’s MMPitcher is Bob Gibson and the AL’s Sam McDowell.

fra paolo Posted: March 26, 2012 at 08:50 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: March 27, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4089972)
I have to say I'm disappointed with the participation level. I'll take any and all ideas how to boost participation. 11 ballots is too few. I think there was a consensus of Yaz above Bench this year.
   2. DL from MN Posted: March 27, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4090428)
Yet another year where the MMP is a HoM member. Will 1971 be the year to break that streak?
   3. Rob_Wood Posted: March 27, 2012 at 05:57 PM (#4090643)
Do we think that having the MMP threads under the Hall of Merit banner/blog is costing us new voters?
   4. DL from MN Posted: March 27, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4090720)
I have this feeling that people think they need to have their own WAR system to participate. All they need to do is list 12 guys and have some sort of reasoning behind it.
   5. SoCalDemon Posted: March 27, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4090722)
I thought you had to be a current HOM member; if that is not the case, I would definitely at least throw out a prelim vote for 1971. Long-term would like to develop a system for HOM, but have not had the time as of yet (turns out PhDs are time consuming; who knew?).
   6. DL from MN Posted: March 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM (#4090796)
SoCalDemon - you're officially a member. Do people think there is some secret initiation? Just show up, make an effort and you're in.
   7. sunnyday2 Posted: March 27, 2012 at 11:33 PM (#4090815)
I've been a HoM voter since 1898 and I find this a little intimidating. Lately it reads like the Hall of WAR or the MWP. Statistical systems have crowded out a lot of other types of conversations that used to be commonplace around here. I don't blame those who want to talk about WAR, but I do wish there was somebody to talk to in other languages.
   8. frannyzoo Posted: March 27, 2012 at 11:47 PM (#4090827)
Long-time fan of HOM, just about first time caller. I appreciate the above discussion, and volunteer to vote from this point forward, especially if I don't have to know what I'm talking about. It's helpful to have actually have been alive in 1971, and I will use my forty year old memories of life as a 10-year old over WAR and such. I seem to remember every single pack of gum having at least two Ron Swoboda cards in it back around that time, so Swoboda will almost certainly be my most meritorious choice. Roy White was always chunked in there too, it seemed, so he's gonna give Swoboda a run.

I kid. But not about not using WAR and such. We Humanities teachers need to pimp for qualitative studies whenever possible.
   9. bjhanke Posted: March 28, 2012 at 02:37 AM (#4090880)
franny (can I call you "franny"?) -

I've been with this project since it started, and voting in the HoM for almost 5 years now. They have put up with a LOT of my memories, which date back to the 1950s, as well as my recollections of conversations with the St. Louis sportswriters who were covering baseball in the 1920s. The HoM even put up with me the year I was so sick with the flu that I actually asked whether anyone had taken into account the error rate of Billy Hamilton's time (the 1890s).

If they can put up with that out of me, they can certainly put up with anyone who is as polite and conscientious as you seem to be.

BTW, Topps had the annoying habit of putting lots of cards out of anyone who was reasonably well known but not great, in order to keep you chasing that one great player whose card you lacked. They even did this by region. I got into baseball cards in 1954, but never even SAW a Stan Musial until 1963, his last year. On the other hand, I always had at least a half dozen Mickey Mantles every year. Later I found out that no one in New York had Mantles, but they all had many Musials. Oh, and Swoboda's time has passed; we're already past 1969. But I, at least, do appreciate the humor in there. Ah, Swoboda. We in STL called him The Thing, after the comic book character. - Brock Hanke
   10. DL from MN Posted: March 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM (#4091108)
I do wish there was somebody to talk to in other languages.


I concur, although it's hard to say the 10 people actively engaged are crowding anyone out. I think you have to have some rationale behind your vote. You don't pick a guy based on his uniform color. I'm all in favor of adapting a current system to meet your needs. There is a list of the most obvious candidates posted yearly. Just be prepared to discuss/defend your choices. The list is there to spark discussion, not the other way around.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: March 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM (#4091231)

I've voted in all the HOM elections, including all the yearly ones.

I find WAR to be very overrated, but I do not ignore issues such as the degree of awfulness of many LF-RF-1Bs with big OPS+s. I just refuse to cut-n-paste off WAR figures (not saying anyone specifically does).

   12. Chris Fluit Posted: March 28, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4091304)
I don't use WAR when compiling my ballot. I use OPS+ and a few other offensive numbers and then I adjust for position (a 100 OPS+ is a lot more valuable coming from a shortstop than from a left fielder) and for defense. For pitchers, I look at ERA+ and IP and then adjust for hitting. I'll take a look at WAR after my ballot is completed to corroborate my results. If I've got someone with a WAR of 2 at the top of my ballot or conversely someone with 10 WAR misses my ballot completely, it's likely I did something wrong. But, no, you don't have to live by WAR (or even know what it is), in order to vote.
   13. sunnyday2 Posted: March 28, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4091374)
I look at WAR and I look at WS and I even look at the MVP voting from the time on the assumption that some insight went into it. And I factor traditional stats and semi-traditional stats (OPS+, etc.), and I factor in my recollections of who I thought the best players were at the time. I remember Bench being better than Yaz and within reason no uber-stat is gonna outweight that. Agreed about qualitative methods. Can and should.
   14. Darren Posted: March 29, 2012 at 05:00 PM (#4092528)
DL, add me to the list of people who is confused about whether I am allowed to vote or even participate in this forum. Love what you guys do though. :)
   15. DL from MN Posted: March 29, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4092544)
Everyone who wants to discuss their ballot is eligible to vote. I'd like to discourage "drive-by" voters who post a ballot and leave. Otherwise there are no other eligibility requirements. There is no requirement everyone votes every year.
   16. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R) Posted: March 29, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4092569)
I was just too busy with a fantasy baseball draft. I would probably have voted for Gibson because of the hitting, followed by Yaz.
   17. Bob Evans Posted: March 30, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4093214)
I think you have to have some rationale behind your vote. You don't pick a guy based on his uniform color.

This sort of elitist talk is offputting to me, as is the apparent requirement that I defend my ballot. Others' MMV.
   18. fra paolo Posted: March 30, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4093220)
I was just too busy with a fantasy baseball draft.

I think one lesson we've learned is that mid-to-late March is probably not a good time to hold a ballot.
   19. DL from MN Posted: March 30, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4093273)
This sort of elitist talk is offputting to me


I can't tell if you're kidding. Are you really suggesting that you shouldn't have to put any thought into the process? Why would you want to pick a winner without regard to how much he helped his team? Or are you just pulling my chain?
   20. lieiam Posted: March 31, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4093843)
dollars to doughnuts it's a joke.
of course, these days that's a pretty fair bet (that is, dollars and doughnuts).
   21. Bob Evans Posted: April 01, 2012 at 10:38 PM (#4094466)
Are you really suggesting that you shouldn't have to put any thought into the process?

I have a rationale. I just don't feel like I should have to defend it.
   22. lieiam Posted: April 02, 2012 at 12:34 AM (#4094516)
Well, I guess I lost that proverbial bet.
Wacky.
   23. DL from MN Posted: April 02, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4094615)
I have a rationale. I just don't feel like I should have to defend it.


Not sure why you would visit a site like this if you don't like discussing baseball.
   24. adenzeno Posted: January 21, 2014 at 09:45 AM (#4643095)
My typing skills are poor on a good day, so I have yet to vote on this, but love reading them. I was 13 in 1970 and this era is when I came to love baseball.
   25. DL from MN Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:43 AM (#4643163)
Thanks for your interest adenzeno.

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