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Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Most Meritorious Player: 1979 Discussion

Pirates sweep the Reds in the NLCS.  Earl Weaver’s Orioles beat the Angels in the ALCS. The Pirates beat the Orioles in the World Series in seven games.

MMP voting will end on March 06 2013.

Player			SH WS		BBR WAR
Lynn, Fred		34.4		8.6
Thomas, Gorman		25.9		4.5
Lemon, Chet		25.3		5.6
Winfield, Dave		32.7		8.1
Singleton, Ken		31.7		5.0
Parker, Dave		30.7		6.5
Baylor, Don		28.5		3.5
Lezcano, Sixto		27.2		5.4
Rice, Jim		28.0		6.1
Wilson, Willie		23.6		6.0
Foster, George		21.9		4.9
Cruz, Jose		26.5		4.4
Templeton, Garry	26.4		4.1
Smalley, Roy		23.4		4.1
Concepcion, Dave	24.5		4.7
Grich, Bobby		28.7		5.7
Lopes, Davey		26.9		4.5
Molitor, Paul		26.8		5.5
Randolph, Willie	22.4		5.1
Hernandez, Keith	30.4		7.4
Rose, Pete		26.6		2.9
Murray, Eddie		25.0		4.6
Brett, George		32.5		8.4
Schmidt, Mike		32.3		7.6
Parrish, Larry		27.3		4.4
Bell, Buddy		21.7		6.7
Cey, Ron		25.2		4.9
Porter, Darrell		32.7		7.4
Carter, Gary		29.0		5.8
Tenace, Gene		24.9		5.7
Bench, Johnny		21.8		5.4
Downing, Brian		23.9		5.3

Pitcher 		SH WS		BBR WAR
Niekro, Phil		23.2		7.4
Richard, JR		23.5		5.1
Eckersley, Dennis	23.5		6.9
John, Tommy		23.5		5.1
Koosman, Jerry		22.8		6.9
Flanagan, Mike		22.6		3.6
Guidry, Ron		22.4		6.2
Reuschel, Rick		17.1		5.7
Morris, Jack		16.9		5.6

Kern, Jim		25.3		6.0
Marshall, Mike		22.7		4.3
Tekulve, Kent		19.5		3.1
Sutter, Bruce		21.6		5.0
Monge, Sid		21.2		5.5
Lopez, Aurelio		19.3		5.2
Hume, Tom		17.4		3.7

 

DL from MN Posted: January 29, 2013 at 04:56 PM | 115 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. caiman Posted: February 19, 2013 at 09:58 PM (#4372292)
Honus Wagner's best season was at the age of 34. Barry Bonds best season was at the age of 36.

A better comparison is Barry Bonds vs. Babe Ruth. Babe Ruth's fabulous performance from 34 to 38 is similar to that of Barry Bonds from 35 to 38. Barry's was better, but not enormously.

As a comparison, the above figures for 1979, where Mike Schmidt was the best hitter in MLB, produced a value of 46.02 runs, which Babe Ruth exceeded by a huge amount during his 34 to 38 yr old run..

Babe Ruth age and run value:

34 yr. old: 55.70 runs
35 yr. old: 92.82 runs
36 yr. old: 88.70 runs
37 yr. old: 78.63 runs
38 yr. old: 59.40 runs

Barry Bonds:

35 yr. old: 55.46 runs
36 yr. old: 119.38 runs
37 yr. old: 116.83 runs
38 yr. old: 64.29 runs
   102. DL from MN Posted: February 19, 2013 at 11:20 PM (#4372331)
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   103. caiman Posted: February 20, 2013 at 12:27 AM (#4372362)
I do not understand! please give an example of preformatted text with columns.
   104. bjhanke Posted: February 20, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4372632)
Caiman - The Mr. C I was responding to is the one who wrote comment #36, which is why I apologized for taking so long. He appeared to be hesitant about placing Wilson on his ballot. You don't seem nearly as hesitant, and you just posted up a large amount of very useful info to support your position. He seemed in need of someone to tell him that he hadn't gone crazy, but had a defensible placement. - Brock
   105. caiman Posted: February 20, 2013 at 01:57 PM (#4372698)
Note to my defensive ratings:

Craig Gentry's +20 rating = + .020 RPA points per every plate appearance by that player.
Thus, if he played all 162 games would = about 700 plate appearances = 14 runs prevented over the full season if he played every game.
   106. DL from MN Posted: February 20, 2013 at 02:12 PM (#4372713)
The top of the thread is an example of preformatted text. Remove the spaces in the < pre >.
   107. caiman Posted: February 20, 2013 at 03:02 PM (#4372779)
I already looked at the source code for the top of the thread and removed any spaces in the
 and the 
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   108. DL from MN Posted: February 21, 2013 at 04:10 PM (#4373501)
Four different players #1 on the prelims. This could be an interesting election.
   109. Rob_Wood Posted: February 22, 2013 at 12:24 AM (#4373734)
My prelim 1979 MMP ballot:

1. Fred Lynn -- fairly easy choice for me
2. George Brett -- his defense was still good
3. Dave Winfield -- led NL in WPA
4. Keith Hernandez -- as good as he ever was
5. Bobby Grich -- great offensive season with good 2B defense

6. Dave Parker -- slight boost for post-season
7. Mike Schmidt -- his 253 bavg does not reflect his true worth
8. Darrell Porter -- very good offensive season as catcher
9. JR Richard -- luv the strikeouts; led the NL in ERA
10. Phil Niekro -- 342 IP at a 119 ERA+ (low 1.1 win values)

11. Dave Concepcion -- very solid season as shortstop
12. Dennis Eckersley -- best in fairly weak season for AL pitchers
13. Sixto Lezcano -- career year for sixto
14. Jim Rice -- good comeback after his great 1978 season
15. George Foster -- missed 40 games or he'd be higher

16. Garry Templeton -- led NL with 211 hits
17. Chet Lemon -- very good season for perennial underrated CF
18. Jerry Koosman -- solid first season with Twins
19. Willie Wilson -- great defensive season
20. Ken Singleton -- poor defense drags him down here
   110. Yardape Posted: February 23, 2013 at 02:03 AM (#4374481)
My prelim ballot. I use Extrapolated Runs to evaluate offense. I use my own defensive adjustments, including a component based on team defense (a la Win Shares). For pitchers I use a mixture of FIP and RA based measures.

1. J.R. Richard. By my evaluation he just blew away his pitching competition this year. A lot of that is the strikeouts and my incorporation of FIP.
2. Darrell Porter. Great season from a catcher. AL MMP
3. Fred Lynn. Outperforms Porter offensively, but I think the defensive gap was bigger.
4. George Brett
5. Mike Schmidt. Very close between the two third basemen.
6. Ken Singleton. Heck of an offensive season, little defensive value.
7. Dave Parker
8. Jim Rice.
9. Tommy John. AL Pitcher of the Year.
10. Roy Smalley. Best SS, second straight strong season.

11. Phil Garner
12. Davey Lopes
13. Don Baylor
14. Dave Winfield
15. Garry Templeton

16-20: Hernandez, Mazzilli, Molitor, Concepcion, Buddy Bell. I am way more conservative with Hernandez's defense than most people, I think, partly because I'm dubious that a 1B had that much impact.
   111. DL from MN Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:00 PM (#4376275)
1. J.R. Richard. By my evaluation he just blew away his pitching competition this year. A lot of that is the strikeouts and my incorporation of FIP.


Remember to adjust for Astrodome with Richard's numbers. I like Eckersley's performance in Fenway better than JR Richard in Houston.
   112. lieiam Posted: February 28, 2013 at 01:17 AM (#4377458)
Another year of good music for me (retroactively, that is).

1- The Damned- Machine Gun Etiquette
2- The Jam- Setting Sons
3- The Undertones- The Undertones
4- Buzzcocks- A Different Kind Of Tension
5- Wire- 154
6- The Fall- Dragnet
7- The Stranglers- The Raven
8- Gang Of Four- Entertainment
9- XTC- Drums and Wires
10-Elvis Costello- Armed Forces
11-The Last- L.A. Explosion
12-The Specials- The Specials
13-The Adverts- Cast Of Thousands
14-Penetration- Coming Up For Air
15-The Clash- London Calling
   113. Yardape Posted: February 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM (#4377632)
Remember to adjust for Astrodome with Richard's numbers. I like Eckersley's performance in Fenway better than JR Richard in Houston.


Good point, and that takes a little of the air out of Richard's dominance. Also, in my initial pass I compared Richard to other NL pitchers, which made him look even better. Several AL pitchers, including Eckersley and John, are closer to Richard. Still, I have Richard as pretty comfortably the best pitcher of the year. It's primarily because of my use of FIP; my RA component has him pretty close with Eckersley and others, but Richard blows everyone away in the FIP part. This is reflected in Fangraphs WAR, where Richard is over a win in front of everyone else (and about four wins in front of other NL pitchers!)
   114. Yardape Posted: February 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM (#4377635)
My 1979 All-Star team:

P: J.R. Richard
C: Darrell Porter
1B: Keith Hernandez
2B: Phil Garner
3B: George Brett
SS: Roy Smalley
LF: Jim Rice
CF: Fred Lynn
RF: Ken Singleton

Rotation: Tommy John, Mike Flanagan, Ron Guidry, Jerry Koosman
Bullpen: Jim Kern, Dennis Eckersley, Mike Parrott, Steve Rogers
Bench: Gene Tenace, Dave Winfield, Davey Lopes, Mike Schmidt, Garry Templeton, Don Baylor, Lee Mazzilli, Dave Parker.
   115. DL from MN Posted: April 19, 2013 at 02:09 PM (#4419501)
1979 has to be one of the most represented years in my music collection. Is it due to first impressions I didn't even know I heard?

Clash - London Calling
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
Gang of Four - Entertainment
Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady
B-52's - S/T
Cheap Trick - Dream Police
Talking Heads - Fear of Music
AC/DC - Highway to Hell
The Jam - Setting Sons
Cabaret Voltaire - Mix Up
Devo - Duty Now For the Future
Elvis Costello - Armed Forces
Stiff Little Fingers - Inflammable Material
Cheap Trick - At Budokan
Tom Petty - Damn the Torpedoes
David Bowie - Lodger
Wire - 154
The Slits - Cut
Gary Numan and Tubeway Army - The Pleasure Principle
Throbbing Gristle - 20 Jazz Funk Greats
The Fall - Live at the Witch Trials, Dragnet
Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps
Ramones - It's Alive
Nick Lowe - Labour of Lust
The Specials - S/T

My dad's favorite - John Denver / S/T which was the soundtrack of my childhood but isn't complete without the 8 track ka-chunks between songs
And I lean on the positive side for Pink Floyd - The Wall
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