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Wednesday, August 07, 2013

Most Meritorious Player: 1984 Results

Cal Ripken Jr. repeats to win his second MMP award.

Player Name	pts	ballots	1sts
Cal Ripken	207	14	11
Ryne Sandberg	192	14	3
Gary Carter	160	14	0
Eddie Murray	131	13	0
Alan Trammell	121	14	0
Tony Gwynn	121	13	0
Dave Stieb	103	12	0
Tim Raines	93	10	0
Mike Schmidt	73	9	0
Keith Hernandez	62	7	0
Dale Murphy	51	9	0
Bert Blyleven	49	8	0
Jose Cruz	48	9	0
Lloyd Moseby	36	5	0
R Henderson	33	4	0
Don Mattingly	31	6	0
Dwight Evans	25	3	0
Kirk Gibson	20	2	0
Buddy Bell	17	3	0
Wade Boggs	11	2	0
Alvin Davis	8	1	0
Mike Boddicker	7	1	0
W Hernandez	7	1	0
Robin Yount	6	2	0
Kent Hrbek	6	1	0
Chet Lemon	5	1	0
Doyle Alexander	4	1	0
Rick Rhoden	4	1	0
Dwight Gooden	4	1	0
Lou Whitaker	3	1	0
DL from MN Posted: August 07, 2013 at 05:07 PM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: August 07, 2013 at 05:20 PM (#4515460)
My best player to miss the ballot was Dave Winfield. Best pitcher was Jim Beattie.
   2. DL from MN Posted: August 07, 2013 at 05:26 PM (#4515465)
Mike Schmidt is now the leader for years on an MMP ballot with 11. Gary Carter has made 7 ballots which is tops for catchers (Bench made 5 and Simmons 6). 5th time for Rickey and Yount. Every 5-timer is HoM except Dave Concepcion.

   3. DL from MN Posted: August 07, 2013 at 05:35 PM (#4515474)
Dale Murphy is top non-HoM. Rick Rhoden and Dwight Gooden share "top NL pitcher" with one vote.
   4. DL from MN Posted: August 07, 2013 at 05:47 PM (#4515483)
We've had 25 MMP elections now, including 2012.

13 times the MMP was not an MVP (though 2x that person was CYA)

One MVP failed to make a single MMP ballot (Ken Boyer)

The CYA winner has several times failed to make an MMP ballot including Rick Sutcliffe this year.

1974 is probably the year that was most screwed up in MVP and CYA voting. The highest award winner that year (Catfish Hunter) finished 13th in MMP balloting.
   5. Chris Fluit Posted: August 07, 2013 at 08:09 PM (#4515557)
A few fun facts:

Cal Ripken Jr is the first back-to-back winner since Joe Morgan ('75 and '76). Mays ('64/'65), Morgan and Ripken are the only players with consecutive MMPs to date. Cal also makes it three straight years that a shortstop has won the MMP following Yount's win in 1982 and seven out of eight years that the award has gone to someone in the American League.

Dave Stieb is another back-to-back winner, taking the overall pitching MMP for the second year in a row and the AL award for the third straight season. He's the first back-to-back winner for the overall award since Bob Gibson won three straight from '68 to '70 and for the AL award since Denny McLain in '68 and '69. Stieb joins Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver and Steve Carlton as multiple winners of the overall award. Stieb is also the first to win three AL pitching MMPs, breaking a tie with Sam McDowell, Denny McLain, Gaylord Perry and Jim Palmer. That goes a long way to explaining why we elected him to the Hall of Merit a few years ago.

Ryne Sandberg is the first second baseman to win the NL award since Joe Morgan in 1976 and the first Cub since Ron Santo in 1967. Sandberg also continues a tradition of NL MMP winners who are also HoMers. The only exceptions are the still active Buster Posey (2012) and the Cobra, Dave Parker (1978).
   6. Chris Fluit Posted: August 07, 2013 at 08:14 PM (#4515560)
This is a good time to test out a tie-breaking procedure. Currently, Gooden and Rhoden are tied for the NL pitching MMP with one vote each. If you still have your charts handy, please submit a run-off ballot to this thread with your top three NL pitchers.

   7. Chris Fluit Posted: August 07, 2013 at 08:15 PM (#4515561)
Here's mine:

1. Bruce Sutter
2. Rick Rhoden
3. Dwight Gooden
   8. Kiko Sakata Posted: August 07, 2013 at 08:34 PM (#4515577)
If you still have your charts handy, please submit a run-off ballot to this thread with your top three NL pitchers.


1. Gooden
2. Rhoden
3. Sutcliffe

I have a pretty big gap between Gooden (who was just off-ballot for me) and Rhoden. And part of Sutcliffe's value was in the AL (albeit not much: he wasn't particularly good with the Indians).
   9. Mr. C Posted: August 07, 2013 at 09:01 PM (#4515605)
Here's mine

1. Rhoden
2. Gooden
3. Mahler
   10. Tubbs & Minnie Miñoso don't fear Sid Monge Posted: August 07, 2013 at 11:18 PM (#4515721)
1. Gooden
2. Rhoden
3. Sutter
   11. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 07, 2013 at 11:35 PM (#4515723)
Thanks for spearheading the MMP votes, DL. You've struck a pessimistic note occasionally of late, but I really enjoy the discussions, and I think the results are valuable, especially given how much work so many people (smarter people than me) put into them.
   12. OCF Posted: August 07, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4515729)
I didn't cast a ballot, but if you ask my opinion, I would say:

1. Rhoden (his hitting matters)
2. Gooden
3. Sutter
   13. lieiam Posted: August 08, 2013 at 12:53 AM (#4515747)
1- Rick Rhoden 6103 21st
2- Dwight Gooden 6041 23rd
3- Rich Mahler 4960 36th


for best without any votes, I've got Dave Winfield (overall) and for pitchers I've got Frank Viola

   14. DL from MN Posted: August 08, 2013 at 09:48 AM (#4515842)
Rhoden, Alejandro Pena, Sutter (then Gooden) for me.
   15. DL from MN Posted: August 08, 2013 at 09:54 AM (#4515849)
Sorry if my cynicism has bled through. I enjoy this, I like this year's level of participation. 15 ballots is a good number and we had 14 this time around.
   16. EricC Posted: August 08, 2013 at 10:26 AM (#4515897)
1. Sutter
2. Rhoden
3. Gooden
   17. Chris Fluit Posted: August 08, 2013 at 11:24 AM (#4515979)
Sorry if my cynicism has bled through. I enjoy this, I like this year's level of participation. 15 ballots is a good number and we had 14 this time around.


It's okay. I think we were all frustrated with the dwindling participation. It's nice to see so many new and returning voters for this season. Hopefully, we can build some momentum.
   18. fra paolo Posted: August 08, 2013 at 05:07 PM (#4516310)
My Top 3 NL Pitchers:

1. Gooden
2. Soto
3. DeLeon

Soto's value looks to be hidden by the park.

My highest-value players not to get a vote is a multiple-tie embracing Frank Viola, Dave Winfield, Bob Brenly and Tony Pena. I guess I could go to another decimal place to break it, but that seems a bit of false precision.
   19. fra paolo Posted: August 08, 2013 at 05:25 PM (#4516323)
since Denny McLain in '68 and '69

Speaking of Denny McLain, I am currently visiting my mother and brother in Michigan, who are having a bit of a clear-out. A box emerged from the attic, and inside was my autographed Denny McLain baseball. "To Paul, from Denny McLain." I had completely forgotten about it.

I also found the foul ball I got at Tiger Stadium, when the Royals were visiting once, hit to me by Gail Hopkins, a former 1b/DH type. I'd given that up for lost.

The box also included some other old items that my father saved, including an unmarked 1943 scorecard involving the Cubs and what I assume is a team drawn from men in the service — Chicago Cubs vs Camp Shanks.
   20. DL from MN Posted: August 08, 2013 at 06:17 PM (#4516353)
inside was my autographed Denny McLain baseball


Sounds like the HoM has some actual artifacts after all! That beats my find of a Tony Oliva autographed ball at the thrift store for 50 cents.
   21. Chris Fluit Posted: August 09, 2013 at 04:59 PM (#4516955)
We haven't received a new runoff ballot in about 24 hours so I'm going to call it. It's still close (what else would you expect?) but Rhoden has the lead.

Rhoden: 4 1sts, 4 2nds
Gooden: 3 1sts, 3 2nds, 2 3rds
Sutter: 2 1sts, 3 3rds

Pena: 1 2nd
Soto: 1 2nd
Mahler: 2 3rds
DeLeon: 1 3rd
Sutcliffe: 1 3rd

That's 32-26-13 Rhoden-Gooden-Sutcliffe with a 5-3-1 point scheme, or 20-17-9 with a 3-2-1.
   22. Chris Fluit Posted: August 09, 2013 at 05:02 PM (#4516957)
What do you think? Should we go ahead with some of the past tie-breakers?
   23. DL from MN Posted: August 09, 2013 at 05:39 PM (#4516975)
You mean Sutter, not Sutcliffe.
   24. Chris Fluit Posted: August 09, 2013 at 07:56 PM (#4517038)
Yes, Sutter. Mis-typed the last sentence.

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