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Most Meritorious Player: 1986 Ballot

For 1986, each voter should rank their top 13 players from both leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EST on 2 October 2013.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 1 October 2013.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: September 23, 2013 at 01:26 PM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: September 23, 2013 at 01:51 PM (#4548329)
1) Roger Clemens - Another pitcher on top of the ballot. Separated himself from the pack.
2) Wade Boggs - best position player
3) Mike Scott - Impressive postseason helps move him up ballot. Also noticed I had an AL/NL bias in my pitching evaluation
4) Cal Ripken - durability, positional value and fielding
5) Ted Higuera
6) Don Mattingly - best bat, good fielder but not as much positional value as Boggs at 3B.
7) Tim Raines
8) Rick Rhoden - Very good hitter in 1986
9) Mark Eichhorn - hadn't fully evaluted him when I did my prelim. This is an impressive relief season
10) Jesse Barfield - Outstanding glove in 1986
11) Mike Schmidt - Age 36 season is still outstanding
12) Alan Trammell
13) Mike Witt - good postseason numbers help him grab the last slot

14-20) Ozzie Smith, Gary Gaetti, Tony Gwynn, Gary Carter, Kevin Bass, Jim Rice, Tony Fernandez

   2. Chris Fluit Posted: September 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM (#4549331)
1986 Ballot

1. Wade Boggs, 3B, Boston Red Sox: Looks like I'm going to be the iconoclast this year.
2. Don Mattingly, 1B, New York Yankees: 1st in the AL in OPS+ and Runs Created but Boggs passes him by due to better defense (+8 to +1) at a harder position.
3. Mike Scott, P, Houston Astros: Led the Senior Circuit in ERA+ with 161 and innings with 275. His period of excellence was brief (only 5 seasons with an ERA+ over 100) but memorable.
4. Rogers Clemens, P, Boston Red Sox: Not what I expected before I ran the numbers. Clemens led the majors with a 169 ERA+ but his 254 innings were only 4th in the American League.
5. Mike Schmidt, 3B/1B, Philadelphia Phillies: The old man's still got it. 1st in OPS+, 2nd in Runs Created.
6. Jesse Barfield, RF, Toronto Blue Jays: A big bat at the plate (146 OPS+) and a big arm in the outfield (+21 fielding runs thanks, in part, to 20 assists).
7 Cal Ripken, Jr., SS, Baltimore Orioles: +16 fielding runs at shortstop plus he cracked the top ten in Runs Created with 102.
8. Teddy Higuera, P, Milwaukee Brewers: A 156 ERA+ in 248 innings.
9. Mark Eichhorn, RP, Toronto Blue Jays: 157 innings as a reliever with a 246 ERA+.
10. Tim Raines, LF, Montreal Expos: Second to Schmidt in OPS+ (145), first in Runs Created (130).
11. Mike Witt, P, California Angels: A 144 ERA+ in 269 innings.
12. Kirby Puckett, CF, Minnesota Twins: Makes the ballot thanks to a 142 OPS+ and 127 Runs Created.
13. Rickey Henderson, CF, New York Yankees: Makes the ballot thanks to +12 baserunning and +6 fielding runs in centerfield.

14. Alan Trammell, SS, Detroit Tigers: just a warm up for '87
15. Steve Sax, 2B, Los Angeles Dodgers: the best 2B in the majors this year but a brutal -14 fielding runs denies him a spot on the ballot.
16. Jim Rice, LF, Boston Red Sox
17. Rick Rhoden, P, Pittsburgh Pirates
18. Jack Morris, P, Detroit Tigers
19. Gary Gaetti, 3B, Minnesota Twins: cracks the consideration list as a glove-first candidate
20. Tony Gwynn, RF, San Diego Padres
   3. Tubbs & Minnie Miñoso don't fear Sid Monge Posted: September 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM (#4549891)
Final ballot--as usual no postseason bonus but rather a small bonus if they were part of a Division race

1. Clemens--Excellent season
2. Scott--I don't care how he doctored the ball--what a great season
3. Mattingly--awesome season though the Yanks fall short again
4. Higuera--I'm surprised I have 3 of the top 4 as pitchers, I remember this year as more of a hitter's year. I also remember alot of what Moeball said about the young power hitting rookies
5. Schmidt--what an amazing run
6. Barfield--40 HR and great defense
7. Raines--part of his HOF peak
8. Boggs--as always I ignored the temptation to punish him and rank him lower for being Wade Boggs
9. Hernandez--what a great leader for an ensemble cast of veterans and young phenoms--this is probably his last appearance on the MMP--he belongs in the HOF, hopefully he gets on the Expansion Era ballot & gets some support
10.Gwynn
11.Witt--best player on the Angels
12.Eichhorn--I had like 13 '88 Topps Eichhorn cards and fit them all into one sleeve, I think that was a record for me. Eichhorn has one of the great overlooked relief seasons here, him and Jesse Barfield certainly didn't slump in '86
13.Rickey Henderson--it ain't 146 runs but it's Rickey still flexing his power and speed
   4. EricC Posted: September 27, 2013 at 08:43 AM (#4552005)
1986 MMP ballot.

1. Wade Boggs
2. Roger Clemens
3. Mark Eichhorn
4. Mike Scott
5. Tim Raines
6. Ted Higuera
7. Don Mattingly
8. Mike Witt
9. Cal Ripken
10. Mike Schmidt
11. Steve Sax
12. Jim Rice
13. Eric Davis

14. Alan Trammell
15. Jesse Barfield
16. Keith Hernandez
17. Rick Rhoden
18. Gary Carter
19. Tony Gwynn
20. Joe Carter
   5. Mr. C Posted: September 27, 2013 at 11:20 AM (#4552184)
1986 Final Ballot

WARR - Wins above reduced replacement

1. Jesse Barfield 7.94 WARR good offensive season, but, his rating is this high because of his high defensive rating +28( average of TZ and DRA).
2. Wade Boggs 7.78 WARR Opted to go with Boggs; always have preferred offensive achievements
3. Roger Clemens 7.77 WARR
4. Teddy Higuera 7.48 WARR
5. Mike Scott 6.95 WARR
6. Mark Eichhorn 6.93 WARR
7. Don Mattingly 6.3 WARR
8. Mike Schmidt 5.75 WARR
9. Rick Rhoden 5.67 WARR Only good hitter in top tier of pitchers
10. Cal Ripken 5.65 WARR
11. Alan Trammell 5.57 WARR
12. Keith Hernandez 5.33 WARR
13 Tony Gwynn 5.40 WARR

Rest of the top 20
Gary Gaetti
Joe Carter
Eric Davis
Fernando Valenzuela
Ricky Henderson
Mike Witt
Kirby Puckett
   6. DL from MN Posted: September 27, 2013 at 02:27 PM (#4552399)
Haven't had an election this close since 1980
   7. caiman Posted: September 27, 2013 at 03:56 PM (#4552484)
Here's the RPA top hitters for 1986 in the NL:

Top Hitter Pos Age Team Runs
Tim Raines OF 26 Montreal 40.97
Keith Hernandez 1B 32 New York 32.74
Mike Schmidt 3B 36 Philadelphia 32.38
Darryl Strawberry OF 24 New York 31.65
Kevin McReynolds OF 26 San Diego 29.07
Eric Davis OF 24 Cincinnati 28.59
Lenny Dykstra OF 23 New York 24.46
Steve Sax 2B 26 Los Angeles 24.24
Tony Gwynn OF 26 San Diego 21.30
Glenn Davis 1B 25 Houston 21.12
Dale Murphy OF 30 Atlanta 18.39
Von Hayes 1B 27 Philadelphia 17.71
Hubie Brooks SS 29 Montreal 16.95
Bob Brenly C 32 San Francisco 15.21
Jim Morrison 3B 33 Pittsburgh 14.74
Mitch Webster OF 27 Montreal 13.69
Ken Griffey OF 36 Atl/NY-AL 12.96
Chili Davis OF 26 San Francisco 12.81
Kevin Mitchell UT 24 New York 12.73
Denny Walling 3B 32 Houston 12.46
Chris Brown 3B 24 San Francisco 12.28
Ron Cey 3B 38 Chicago 12.28
Kevin Bass OF 27 Houston 11.74
Andy Van Slyke OF 25 St. Louis 11.65
Wally Backman 2B 26 New York 11.59
Buddy Bell 3B 34 Cincinnati 11.52
Mookie Wilson OF 30 New York 11.50
Barry Bonds OF 21 Pittsburgh 11.44
Gary Carter C 32 New York 11.08
Kal Daniels OF 22 Cincinnati 10.33
Will Clark 1B 22 San Francisco 10.26
   8. caiman Posted: September 27, 2013 at 03:58 PM (#4552488)
Here's the RPA top pitchers in the NL for 1986:

Top Pitcher W-L Age Team Runs
Mike Scott 18-10 31 Houston 42.81
Bob Knepper 17-12 32 Houston 20.01
Rick Rhoden 15-12 33 Pittsburgh 19.23
Danny Cox 12-13 26 St. Louis 18.60
Kent Tekulve 11-5 39 Philadelphia 16.03
Dwight Gooden 17-6 21 New York 15.60
Nolan Ryan 12-8 39 Houston 15.21
Fernando Valenzuela 21-11 25 Los Angeles 14.96
Floyd Youmans 13-12 22 Montreal 14.30
Mike Krukow 20-9 34 San Francisco 13.03
Bob Ojeda 18-5 28 New York 12.76
Bruce Ruffin 9-4 22 Philadelphia 11.87
Rob Murphy 6-0 26 Cincinnati 11.67
Ricky Horton 4-3 26 St. Louis 11.67
Tom Browning 14-13 26 Cincinnati 11.55
John Tudor 13-7 32 St. Louis 11.22
Bob Forsch 14-10 36 St. Louis 10.70
   9. caiman Posted: September 27, 2013 at 04:01 PM (#4552492)
Here's thee RPA top hitters in the AL for 1986:

Top Hitter Pos Age Team Runs
Wade Boggs 3B 28 Boston 36.01
Don Mattingly 1B 25 New York 35.26
Kirk Gibson OF 29 Detroit 27.37
Brian Downing OF 35 California 27.27
Pete O'Brien 1B 28 Texas 26.03
Jesse Barfield OF 26 Toronto 24.49
Jim Rice OF 33 Boston 24.10
Dwight Evans OF 34 Boston 23.59
Ken Phelps DH 31 Seattle 22.34
George Brett 3B 33 Kansas City 21.57
Eddie Murray 1B 30 Baltimore 21.15
Larry Parrish DH 32 Texas 19.62
Darrell Evans 1B 39 Detroit 19.32
Johnny Grubb DH 37 Detroit 19.00
Fred Lynn OF 34 Baltimore 17.43
Rickey Henderson OF 27 New York 17.29
Reggie Jackson DH 40 California 17.14
Don Baylor DH 37 Boston 16.81
Joe Carter UT 26 Cleveland 16.38
Dan Pasqua OF 24 New York 16.32
Wally Joyner 1B 24 California 15.54
Cal Ripken SS 25 Baltimore 14.81
Alan Trammell SS 28 Detroit 14.72
   10. caiman Posted: September 27, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4552495)
Here's the RPA top pitchers in the AL for 1986:

Roger Clemens 24-4 23 Boston 36.19
Mark Eichhorn 14-6 25 Toronto 31.14
Mike Witt 18-10 25 California 26.22
Teddy Higuera 20-11 28 Milwaukee 19.04
Dave Righetti 8-8 27 New York 17.09
Jim Clancy 14-14 30 Toronto 17.03
Tom Henke 9-5 28 Toronto 16.45
Danny Darwin 11-10 30 Milw/Hous 15.42
Kirk McCaskill 17-10 25 California 14.63
John Candelaria 10-2 32 California 14.00
Mark Gubicza 12-6 23 Kansas City 13.63
Dennis Rasmussen 18-6 27 New York 12.93
Jimmy Key 14-11 25 Toronto 12.69
Bert Blyleven 17-14 35 Minnesota 12.66
Dan Plesac 10-7 24 Milwaukee 10.78
Charlie Leibrandt 14-11 29 Kansas City 10.49
Curt Young 13-9 26 Oakland 10.06
   11. caiman Posted: September 27, 2013 at 04:15 PM (#4552509)
I have not, in previous posting's listed the players, regardless of league or hitter or pitcher, in order of value. I assume that anyone can read the above and see it plainly.
However, maybe I should and here they are in order of run value:

1. Mike Scott 18-10 31 Houston 42.81
2. Tim Raines OF 26 Montreal 40.97
3. Roger Clemens 24-4 23 Boston 36.19
4. Wade Boggs 3B 28 Boston 36.01
5. Don Mattingly 1B 25 New York 35.26
6. Keith Hernandez 1B 32 New York 32.74
7. Mike Schmidt 3B 36 Philadelphia 32.38
8. Darryl Strawberry OF 24 New York 31.65
9. Mark Eichhorn 14-6 25 Toronto 31.14
10. Kevin McReynolds OF 26 San Diego 29.07
   12. lieiam Posted: September 27, 2013 at 10:52 PM (#4552734)
1986 final ballot (same as prelim)

1 Clemens, Roger 9309
2 Boggs, Wade 9081
3 Scott, Mike 8526
4 Mattingly, Don 8417
5 Barfield, Jessie 8193
6 Higuera, Teddy 7954
7 Raines, Tim 7707
8 Schmidt, Mike 7438
9 Ripken, Cal 7212
10 Gwynn, Tony 6969
11 Hernandez, Keith 6777
12 Henderson, Rickey 6651
13 Trammell, Alan 6584

14 Witt, Mike 6547
15 Eichhorn, Mark 6429
16 Rhoden, Rick 6319
17 Carter, Joe 6279
18 Valenzuela, Fernando 6148
19 Davis, Eric 6136
20 Rice, Jim 6033
   13. EricC Posted: September 28, 2013 at 08:17 AM (#4552855)
caiman-

Ballots need 13 names. From your lists, it looks like your #11-13 would be 11. Eric Davis, 12. Kirk Gibson, 13. Brian Downing ?

The longer lists might be more appropriate on the Discussion threads.

   14. DL from MN Posted: September 29, 2013 at 09:38 PM (#4554258)
caiman - are you adding information or creating a ballot? I'll count the ballot if you confirm 11-13.
   15. DL from MN Posted: September 29, 2013 at 10:27 PM (#4554276)
Also caiman - do you only judge on offensive contribution?
   16. RobertMachemer Posted: September 30, 2013 at 12:07 AM (#4554327)
Caiman, wild guess: does your last name start with G? No harm if it does or doesn't. Just reminded of someone.
   17. bjhanke Posted: September 30, 2013 at 04:38 AM (#4554367)
Here's Brock Hanke's ballot with no comments. Life has gotten a bit compressed right now, so I'm going to do this now and hope I get time to do comments tomorrow.

1. Wade Boggs
2. Roger Clemens
3. Don Mattingly
4. Mike Scott
5. Tony Gwynn
6. Jesse Barfield
7. Cal Ripken, Jr.
8. Mike Schmidt
9. Ted Higuera
10. Tim Raines
11. Keith Hernandez
12. Steve Sax
13. Rick Rhoden

#14 and #15 would be Rickey Henderson and Joe Carter.
   18. Yardape Posted: October 01, 2013 at 02:27 PM (#4555955)
My final ballot. I have comments on the discussion thread. In short, I use my own formulation of Win Shares as the basis for my ballot.

1. Mike Scott
2. Gary Carter
3. Wade Boggs
4. Roger Clemens
5. Kirby Puckett
6. Mike Schmidt
7. Jim Rice
8. Rickey! Henderson
9. Joe Carter
10. Keith Hernandez
11. Jesse Barfield
12. Tony Gwynn
13. Marty Barrett
   19. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 01, 2013 at 06:20 PM (#4556187)
Official 1986 MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses)

My favorite season all-time:

1) Wade Boggs: Best ML player by a decent amount, IMO.
2) Steve Sax: Best NL player and second baseman.
3) Don Mattingly: Best ML first baseman.
4) Roger Clemens: Best ML pitcher - very close to Mattingly in value.
5) Tim Raines: Best ML left fielder.
6) Mike Schmidt: Best NL third baseman.
7) Cal Ripken: Best ML shortstop.
8) Mark Eichorn: Best ML reliever.
9) Tony Gwynn: Best ML right fielder.
10) Mike Scott: Best NL pitcher.
11) Keith Hernandez: Best NL first baseman.
12) Jesse Barfield: Best AL right fielder.
13) Rick Rhoden

   20. Kiko Sakata Posted: October 01, 2013 at 10:10 PM (#4556639)
See comment #47 of the discussion thread:

1. Mike Scott
2. Roger Clemens
3. Wade Boggs
4. Jesse Barfield
5. Fernando Valenzuela
6. Jim Rice
7. Darryl Strawberry
8. Gary Carter
9. Teddy Higuera
10. Cal Ripken
11. Dwight Evans
12. Mike Schmidt
13. Mike Witt
   21. OCF Posted: October 02, 2013 at 02:02 AM (#4556880)
Etched deeply into the psyche of all Angel fans, forever: Oct. 12, 1986. Up 3 games to 1 in the series. Top of the ninth. The batter is Dave Henderson.

I think that bb-ref WAR in its current form is giving too much value to pitchers. I'll have pitchers on my ballot, but not at the top.

1. Wade Boggs (Yeah, he was a lousy baserunner. There's still too much there.)
2. Tim Raines
3. Mike Schmidt
4. Keith Hernandez
5. Don Mattingly
6. Roger Clemens
7. Mike Scott
8. Cal Ripken
9. Teddy Higuera
10. Jesse Barfield
11. Alan Trammell
12. Ozzie Smith
13. Mark Eichhorn
   22. DL from MN Posted: October 02, 2013 at 10:51 AM (#4557046)
We have a very close election. No ballots from Moeball or Johnny Fora. Caiman does not have a counted ballot at this time because I don't have confirmation on 11-13.

Does anyone need an extension?
   23. DL from MN Posted: October 02, 2013 at 11:46 AM (#4557094)
We only have 11 ballots and we have a close election. I would encourage people to vote and am willing to extend to give people a chance.
   24. DL from MN Posted: October 02, 2013 at 04:16 PM (#4557437)
No extension requests so balloting is closed

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