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Most Meritorious Player: 1992 Discussion

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Player			SH WS		BBR WAR
Barry Bonds		41.5		9.0
Ryne Sandberg		32.3		7.8
Darren Daulton		28.5		6.9
Gary Sheffield		33.1		6.2
Frank Thomas		36.0		7.0
Barry Larkin		29.6		5.6
Dave Hollins		25.7		6.1
Andy Van Slyke		35.4		6.0
Larry Walker		26.8		5.4
Tim Raines		26.3		6.3
Mickey Tettleton	26.3		4.9
Ozzie Smith		22.3		5.1
Mark McGwire		30.5		6.4
Carlos Baerga		29.2		6.3
Rickey Henderson	27.0		5.6
Robin Ventura		28.4		5.9
Brady Anderson		27.1		5.2
Mark Grace		24.0		4.2
David Justice		22.6		4.9
Edgar Martinez		26.0		6.5
Steve Finley		28.0		5.7
Ray Lankford		28.4		4.6
Will Clark		26.2		3.8
Shane Mack		27.3		6.5
Jeff Bagwell		28.8		4.7
Chuck Knoblauch		23.9		5.3
Kirby Puckett		29.5		7.1
Jay Bell		22.4		3.9
Terry Pendleton		28.9		5.0
Ken Griffey Jr		23.3		5.8
Roberto Alomar		31.3		6.6
Fred McGriff		28.3		5.2
Tony Gwynn		18.3		4.6
Bip Roberts		25.6		5.0
John Kruk		25.6		4.2
Pat Listach		22.3		4.4
Brett Butler		24.8		4.9
Kenny Lofton		22.9		6.6
Cal Ripken		18.3		4.0
Terry Steinbach		17.6		4.0
Paul Molitor		27.5		4.7
Dave Winfield		25.5		4.1

Pitcher
Greg Maddux		26.7		9.4
Roger Clemens		26.2		8.9
Mike Mussina		24.6		8.2
Kevin Appier		20.7		8.1
Sid Fernandez		17.0		6.3
Curt Schilling		16.9		5.9
Jim Abbott		17.8		5.8
Charles Nagy		17.5		6.1
Jack McDowell		19.9		5.3
Juan Guzman		17.8		5.6
Melido Perez		16.0		6.0
Frank Viola		18.1		6.3
Bill Swift		15.6		4.6
Bob Tewksbury		20.9		6.3
Jose Rijo		18.0		5.9
Kevin Brown		18.6		4.8
David Cone		18.8		4.9
Doug Drabek		19.3		5.3
Dennis Martinez		16.6		4.7
Tom Glavine		19.5		4.5
Ken Hill		15.7		4.9
Mike Morgan		20.0		5.2
John Smoltz		18.4		3.8

Mel Rojas		14.6		3.8
Jeff Russell		12.9		3.3
Greg Harris		12.0		3.2
Jeff Montgomery		15.9		3.2
Duane Ward		16.2		3.1
Dennis Eckersley	17.3		2.9
Rod Beck		14.8		2.9
Doug Jones		17.6		2.8
Steve Olin		13.0		2.7

 

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   1. DL from MN Posted: April 06, 2016 at 02:46 PM (#5189930)
Eric Fox is still a dirty word in Minnesota
   2. ThickieDon Posted: April 06, 2016 at 03:46 PM (#5190069)
1992, Preliminary

1. Bonds, B.
2. Sandberg, R.
3. Daulton, D.
4. Maddux, G.
5. Thomas, F.
6. Clemens, R.
7. Sheffield, G.
8. Alomar, R.
9. Van Slyke, A.
10. McGwire, M.
11. Martinez, E.
12. Puckett, K.
13. Lofton, K.
   3. DL from MN Posted: April 06, 2016 at 05:19 PM (#5190200)
1992 Prelim

1) Barry Bonds - best bat by 2 wins over Frank Thomas
2) Ryne Sandberg - 2.2 FWAA
3) Darren Daulton - C bonus, better bat than Sandberg
4) Greg Maddux - best P
5) Roger Clemens - fewer IP than Maddux
6) Mike Mussina
7) Gary Sheffield - defense not bad at 3B
8) Kevin Appier
9) Frank Thomas - poor fielding
10) Barry Larkin
11) Dave Hollins
12) Andy Van Slyke
13) Larry Walker - good glove

14-20) Tim Raines, Mickey Tettleton, Ozzie Smith, Mark McGwire, Carlos Baerga, Sid Fernandez, Rickey Henderson
   4. DL from MN Posted: April 08, 2016 at 01:31 PM (#5191777)
Looking over the actual awards voting this is the year Dennis Eckersley won the CYA and MVP despite only participating in 80 innings of baseball that season.

In fact the AL voting (Eckersley, Puckett, Carter, McGwire, Winfield, Alomar, Devereaux, Thomas) only has Thomas in my top 15. Clemens finished 3rd in the CYA to Eckersley and Jack McDowell.

The NL voting looks more reasonable with Barry on top and Sheffield, Walker, Van Slyke and Daulton all getting strong consideration. Maddux won the CYA. Sandberg only finished 12th in MVP voting for a terrific season though.

   5. DL from MN Posted: April 22, 2016 at 01:32 PM (#5202608)
1992 NLCS

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
David Justice  7  25  5  7  1  0  2  6  6  2  .280  .419  .560  .979  0  0  0
Terry Pendleton  7  30  2  7  2  0  0  3  0  2  .233  .233  .300  .533  0  0  0

Jay Bell  7  29  3  5  2  0  1  4  3  4  .172  .273  .345  .618  0  0  1
Barry Bonds  7  23  5  6  1  0  1  2  6  4  .261  .433  .435  .868  1  0  0
Andy Van Slyke  7  29  1  8  3  1  0  4  1  5  .276  .290  .448  .739  0  0  0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Tom Glavine  2  2  12.27  0  2  0  0  7.1  13  11  10  3  2  2.182
John Smoltz  3  3  2.66  2  0  0  0  20.1  14  7  6  10  19  1.180

Doug Drabek  3  3  3.71  0  3  0  0  17.0  18  11  7  6  10  1.412

   6. DL from MN Posted: April 22, 2016 at 01:59 PM (#5202672)
1992 ALCS

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Roberto Alomar  6  26  4  11  1  0  2  4  2  1  .423  .464  .692  1.157  5  0  0

Rickey!  6  23  5  6  0  0  0  1  4  4  .261  .370  .261  .631  2  0  3
Mark McGwire  6  20  1  3  0  0  1  3  5  4  .150  .346  .300  .646  0  0  1

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
David Cone  2  2  3.00  1  1  0  0  12.0  11  7  4  5  9  1.333  
Juan Guzman  2  2  2.08  2  0  0  0  13.0  12  3  3  5  11  1.308
Duane Ward  3  0  6.75  1  0  0  0  4.0  6  3  3  1  2  1.750

Dennis Eckersley  3  0  6.00  0  0  1  0  3.0  8  2  2  0  2  2.667
   7. DL from MN Posted: April 22, 2016 at 02:09 PM (#5202697)
1992 World Series

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Roberto Alomar 6  24  3  5  1  0  0  0  3  3  .208  .296  .250  .546  3  0  0

David Justice  6  19  4  3  0  0  1  3  6  5  .158  .360  .316  .676  1  0  1
Terry Pendleton  6  25  2  6  2  0  0  2  1  5  .240  .259  .320  .579  0  0  0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
David Cone 2  2  3.48  0  0  0  0  10.1  9  5  4  8  8  1.645
Juan Guzman  1  1  1.13  0  0  0  0  8.0  8  2  1  1  7  1.125  
Duane Ward  4  0  0.00  2  0  0  0  3.1  1  0  0  1  6  0.600

Tom Glavine  2  2  1.59  1  1  0  2  17.0  10  3  3  4  8  0.824
John Smoltz  2  2  2.70  1  0  0  0  13.1  13  5  4  7  12  1.500


   8. DL from MN Posted: April 22, 2016 at 02:13 PM (#5202709)
Those extra 21 innings really help Juan Guzman since he was a little light on bulk during the season. He pitched 3 innings in Syracuse but I don't think that helps his case.

Still, nobody moves enough to change my ballot.
   9. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: April 23, 2016 at 10:22 AM (#5203323)
Prelim:

1. Barry Bonds
2. Greg Maddux - NL MMPitcher
3. Gary Sheffield
4. Ryne Sandberg
5. Roger Clemens - AL MMP
6. Frank Thomas - AL MMPosition Player
7. Barry Larkin
8. Mike Mussina
9. Andy Van Slyke
10. Mark McGwire
11. Rickey Henderson
12. Kevin Appier
13. Edgar Martinez

14-20: Larry Walker, Carlos Baerga, Roberto Alomar, Kirby Puckett, Robin Ventura, Tim Raines, Shane Mack.

22. Darren Daulton. I use BP's defensive numbers for catchers in the PBP era. And BP hates Daulton's defense in general (1993 will be the exception). Had he been average on defense, Daulton would be 9th on my ballot, but BP has him costing almost 13 runs defensively, dropping him down here.
   10. Chris Fluit Posted: April 23, 2016 at 10:37 AM (#5203329)
After a two-week vacation, and two weeks catching up from the time off, I finally found the time to work on the 1992 ballot.

Here's my prelim for the NL side only:

1. Barry Bonds, LF, Pittsburgh Pirates: an all-time great season, 204 OPS+ and 30 RC more than second place
2. Darren Daulton, C, Philadelphia Phillies: a big bat (156 OPS+) and a big catcher bonus
3. Ryne Sandberg, 2B, Chicago Cubs: another great year, 148 OPS+, 117 RC and +9 fielding
4. Greg Maddux, P, Chicago Cubs: 1st in NL in both ERA+ (166) and IP (268)
5. Gary Sheffield, 3B, Milwaukee Brewers: stretched defensively at third (-8 fielding) but the best bat besides Bonds
6. Fred McGriff, 1B, San Diego Padres: 3rd in OPS+, 5th in RC
7. Andy Van Slyke, CF, Pittsburgh Pirates: 150 OPS+ from a defense first position
8. Bob Tewksbury, P, St. Louis Cardinals
9. Dave Hollins, 3B, Philadelphia Phillies: the forgotten man on Philly's beer-league team
10. Barry Larkin, SS, Cincinnati Reds
11. Curt Schilling, P, Philadelphia Phillies
12. Mike Morgan, P, Chicago Cubs
13. Ray Lankford, CF, St. Louis Cardinals: gets onto the ballot thanks to his legs (+11 baserunning)
14. Dennis Martinez, P, Montreal Expos
15. Doug Drabek, P, Pittsburgh Pirates
   11. Chris Fluit Posted: April 23, 2016 at 11:03 AM (#5203337)
And the AL:

1. Frank Thomas, 1B, Chicago White Sox: 2nd in OPS+ (174), 1st in RC (142)
2. Roger Clemens, P, Boston Red Sox: 1st in ERA+ with 174 and top five in IP with 246
3. Mark McGwire, 1B, Oakland Athletics
4. Edgar Martinez, 3B/DH, Seattle Mariners: if he was a full-time third baseman, Edgar would have pulled ahead of Big Mac
5. Mike Mussina, P, Baltimore Orioles: great combo of rate (157 ERA+) and bulk (241 IP)
6. Roberto Alomar, 2B, Toronto Blue Jays: top ten in RC and a 130 OPS+ from the keystone
7. Carlos Baerga, 2B, Cleveland Indians: just a nip behind Alomar
8. Kevin Appier, P, Kansas City Royals: 2nd in ERA+ but only 208 IP
9. Kirby Puckett, CF, Minnesota Twins
10. Melido Perez, P, New York Yankees
11. Ken Griffey Jr, CF, Seattle Mariners
12. Charles Nagy, P, Cleveland Indians
13. Paul Molitor, DH, Milwaukee Brewers
14. Shane Mack, LF, Minnesota Twins: Kirby Puckett without the defense
15. Lou Whitaker, 2B, Detroit Tigers
   12. Chris Fluit Posted: April 23, 2016 at 11:08 AM (#5203340)
Combined Prelim:

1. Barry Bonds, LF, Pittsburgh Pirates: an all-time great season, 204 OPS+ and 30 RC more than second place
2. Darren Daulton, C, Philadelphia Phillies: a big bat (156 OPS+) and a big catcher bonus
3. Frank Thomas, 1B, Chicago White Sox: 2nd in AL OPS+ (174), 1st in RC (142)
4. Ryne Sandberg, 2B, Chicago Cubs: another great year, 148 OPS+, 117 RC and +9 fielding
5. Greg Maddux, P, Chicago Cubs: 1st in NL in both ERA+ (166) and IP (268)
6. Roger Clemens, P, Boston Red Sox: 1st in AL ERA+ with 174 and top five in IP with 246
7. Gary Sheffield, 3B, Milwaukee Brewers: stretched defensively at third (-8 fielding) but the best bat besides Bonds
7. Mark McGwire, 1B, Oakland Athletics
9. Edgar Martinez, 3B/DH, Seattle Mariners: if he was a full-time third baseman, Edgar would have pulled ahead of Big Mac
10. Fred McGriff, 1B, San Diego Padres: 3rd in OPS+, 5th in RC
11. Andy Van Slyke, CF, Pittsburgh Pirates: 150 OPS+ from a defense first position
12. Mike Mussina, P, Baltimore Orioles: great combo of rate (157 ERA+) and bulk (241 IP)
13. Roberto Alomar, 2B, Toronto Blue Jays: top ten in RC and a 130 OPS+ from the keystone

14. Carlos Baerga, 2B, Cleveland Indians: just a nip behind Alomar
15. Bob Tewksbury, P, St. Louis Cardinals
16. Kevin Appier, P, Kansas City Royals: 2nd in AL ERA+ but only 208 IP
17. Kirby Puckett, CF, Minnesota Twins
18. Dave Hollins, 3B, Philadelphia Phillies: the forgotten man on Philly's beer-league team
19. Barry Larkin, SS, Cincinnati Reds
20. Curt Schilling, P, Philadelphia Phillies


Edit: Oops, entered Mussina twice on the first run-through. The corrected version moves Baerga onto the ballot.

Edit: Oops again. Apparently the other M.M. was Mark McGwire, not Mussina. Adding Big Mac back in knocks Baerga off the ballot once more.
   13. ThickieDon Posted: April 25, 2016 at 02:48 PM (#5204784)
Been having trouble logging in / staying logged in when I try to post a comment.
   14. bjhanke Posted: May 02, 2016 at 04:35 AM (#5209781)
Here’s Brock Hanke’s final ballot for 1992. This year was just more of the same, really. Here are the top five players in DL’s header, according to Win Shares:

Barry Bonds
Frank Thomas
Andy Van Slyke
Gary Sheffield
Ryne Sandberg

Here are the five best, according to WAR:

Greg Maddux
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Kevin Appier

Win Shares has Appier ranked 41st, which is why he’s not on my ballot. WAR has Van Slyke ranked 23rd, which at lest leaves him on the bottom of the ballot. But, still. Which list do you believe? That’s why I use the consensus of the ordinals as my starting point. This year, I only made one change to the consensus list: I switched Thomas and Sandberg, who were ranked 2nd and 3rd by consensus, with totals of ten and 11 consensus points. That, of course, is nothing. Anyway, without further ado here’s the list, for tabulation purposes:

1. Barry Bonds
2. Ryne Sandberg
3. Frank Thomas
4. Kirby Puckett
5. Roberto Alomar
6. Mark McGwire
7. Darren Daulton
8. Greg Maddux
9. Gary Sheffield
10. Carlos Baerga
11. Andy Van Slyke
12. Roger Clemens
13. Shane Mack

I do want to add that I think this is a pretty good list for 1992. If I’d tried to do analysis by myself, I’d have missed Shane Mack, but otherwise, I’d have come up with something a lot like this. I’d probably have switched Clemens and Baerga, leaving Van Slyke in the middle. – Brock Hanke
   15. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: May 02, 2016 at 10:32 PM (#5210692)
I should be able to just get my ballot in by the May 4 deadline. It will be sliding in like Bream, ahead of Bonds' throw
   16. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: May 04, 2016 at 12:07 AM (#5211905)
No postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender
1. Bonds--best player in baseball for excellent Pittsburgh team
2. Maddux--an amazing season where Maddux becomes Maddux
3. Sandberg--the MMP has shown me that I have underrated Ryno's peak
4. Thomas--AL MMP was close
5. Daulton--"Dutch" Daulton was such a great nickname/last name combo. A Tenace/Tettleton/Porter type high OBP with power catcher having a career year
6. Puckett--just a hair behind Thomas for AL MMP. The Twins followed up both surprise WS wins with strong follow up campaigns. Puckett had career years in both of the follow up campaigns
7. Sheffield--was some what of a Triple Crown contender
8. Alomar--best player on the Jays
9. Mussina--just edges the Rocket, W/L record (gasp) helps
10.Clemens
11.McGwire--finally healthy, Mac leads the declining A's juggernaut to the AL West flag
12.E Martinez --the year Edgar becomes Edgar
13.Baerga--gets lost in the 90's middle infielder shuffle but he was good

Honorable mention:
McGriff--I've got a soft spot for the Crime Dog. Great year, led NL w/35 HRs but just 79 runs scored which shows you how weak the SD batting order was after Fernandez -Gwynn -Sheffield -McGriff
Eck--I was glad he won the MVP Award
Tettleton--low BA kept him just out of the top 13
Teh Jack Morris--21-6 4.04 ERA--obviously proof he pitched to the score lol. I remember rooting against him winning 20 w/4.00 ERA

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