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Most Meritorious Player: 1993 Ballot

For 1993, each voter should rank the top 14 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 1 June 2016.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 31 May 2016.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: May 23, 2016 at 04:38 PM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. ThickieDon Posted: May 24, 2016 at 10:02 AM (#5227723)
1. Barry Bonds - only McGwire and Mantle had better offensive seasons from 1950-2000
2. Jose Rijo - 9.3 RA9 has only been topped 14 times since 1993, mostly by folks like Clemens, Pedro, Maddux and Randy Johnson
3. Ken Griffey, Jr. - best AL player
4. John Olerud - an all-time great batting season, .363/.473/.599
5. Chris Hoiles - for catchers, only Piazza, Fisk, Carter, Bench, and Campanella had better offensive years... ever
6. Lenny Dykstra - HUGE post-season bump (6 homers)
7. Greg Maddux - led NL with 8 CGs and a 170 ERA+
8. Kevin Appier - best AL pitcher
9. Mike Piazza
10. Frank Thomas - post-season bump
11. Rick Wilkins
12. Kenny Lofton
13. Jay Bell - best SS in baseball
14. Roberto Alomar - post-season bump
   2. DL from MN Posted: May 26, 2016 at 01:52 PM (#5229783)
1) Barry Bonds - Pretty much a repeat of 1992
2) Jose Rijo - I think baseball reference is double counting by giving him that big of a defensive adjustment. He didn't give up unearned runs mainly because he was the best strikeout guy in baseball that season. Therefore his defense was less involved. Still a great season.
3) Ken Griffey Jr - Very good, but not Bonds
4) Rick Wilkins - Dan R has Wilkins as the gold glover at C this season
5) Mike Piazza - hit like a corner outfielder or 1B, fielded pretty well this year
6) Kevin Appier - his best season
7) John Olerud - postseason bump
8) Jay Bell - great glove year
9) Chris Hoiles - outstanding hitting season for a catcher
10) Darren Daulton - four catchers on the list, postseason bonus
11) Len Dykstra - postseason bonus
12) Greg Maddux - did benefit from his defense but had a great year
13) Frank Thomas - postseason bonus
14) Jeff Blauser - postseason bonus slides him onto the end of the list

15-20) Rafael Palmeiro, Randy Johnson, Kenny Lofton, Mark Langston, Robby Thompson, Juan Gonzalez
   3. Chris Fluit Posted: May 26, 2016 at 02:44 PM (#5229831)
1993 Ballot

1. Barry Bonds, LF, Pittsburgh Pirates: monster year with 206 OPS+, 172 Runs Created and +9 defense
2. John Olerud, 1B, Toronto Blue Jays: he fell short of batting .400 but a 186 OPS+ is nothing to sneeze at
3. Ken Griffey Jr., CF, Seattle Mariners: 3rd in AL OPS+ and RC while adding +8 in centerfield
4. Mike Piazza, C, Los Angeles Dodgers: 2nd in NL in OPS+ with 153
5. Chris Hoiles, C, Baltimore Orioles: 162 OPS+ but loses out to Piazza due to playing time (126 games to 149)
6. Frank Thomas, 1B, Chicago White Sox: 2nd in AL in OPS+ and RC but that -8 defense stings
7. Greg Maddux, P, Atlanta Braves: leads NL in ERA+ (170) and MLB in IP (267)
8. Rick Wilkins, C, Chicago Cubs: the year of the catcher continues
9. Kevin Appier, P, Kansas City Royals: leads MLB in ERA+ (179) with a respectable 238 IP
10. Jose Rijo, P, Cincinnati Reds: 162 ERA+ in 257 IP
11. Rafael Palmeiro, 1B, Texas Rangers: +13 defense helps him stand out from the other batters
12. Roberto Alomar, 2B, Toronto Blue Jays: speed kills- +6 baserunning and 125 runs created
13. Darren Daulton, C, Philadelphia Phillies
14. Lenny Dykstra, CF, Philadelphia Phillies: great offense and positional bonuses help the Phillie pair

15. Juan Gonzalez, RF, Texas Rangers
16. Mark Langston, P, California Angels
17. John Wetteland, RP, Montreal Expos
18. Chuck Finley, P, California Angels
19. Jay Bell, SS, Pittsburgh Pirates
20. Paul Molitor, DH, Toronto Blue Jays
   4. caiman Posted: May 31, 2016 at 03:31 PM (#5232920)
Here's my List based upon my RPA runs produced above the median:

1. Barry Bonds 57.63 runs
2. John Olerud 52.05 runs
3. Frank Thomas 50.60 runs
4. Ken Griffey, jr. 49.66 runs
5. Lenny Dykstra 40.16 runs
6. Rickey Henderson 37.35 runs
7. Kevin Appier 36.81 runs
8. Juan Gonzalez 33.13 runs
9. Darren Daulton 32.70 runs
10. Greg Maddux 32.41 runs
11. Albert Belle 32.14 runs
12. Chris Hoiles 31.95 runs
13. Rafael Palmeiro 31.33 runs
14. John Kruk 30.99 runs

15. Fred McGriff 27.83 runs
16. Mo Vaughn 27.19 runs
17. Mike Piazza 26.09 runs
18. Mike Stanley 25.82 runs
19. Greg Jefferies 25.77 runs
20. Jose Rijo 25.45 runs
   5. bjhanke Posted: June 01, 2016 at 02:22 AM (#5233385)
This is Brock Hanke’s final ballot for 1993. Sorry it’s rushed. I just completed a major project last night, went to a movie today (The X-Men movie is pretty good as a sequel to X-Men First Class, a fact which the reviewers have completely ignored, and also gives Jennifer Lawrence a much bigger role, and Jennifer Lawrence improves any movie), and came home to look up when this ballot has to be done. The answer turns out to be “before I go to sleep.” Therefore, the ballot has almost no checks; I just went with the consensus of ordinals, except for Greg Maddux, where I think WAR has lost its mind. I’m listing 14, because I believe that’s right, based on what I’ve read. DL, if 14 is not enough, add Kenny Lofton at the end.

1. Barry Bonds
2. John Olerud
3. Ken Griffey, Jr.
4. Mike Piazza
5. Greg Maddux
6. Rafael Palmeiro
7. Len Dykstra
8. Kevin Appier
9. Frank Thomas
10. Rick Wilkins
11. Juan Gonzalez
12. Jose Rijo
13. Chris Hoiles (I had my doubts, but Win Shares ranks him 17th and WAR 12th, so there is a good consensus that he belongs here.)
14. Roberto Alomar
   6. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: June 01, 2016 at 09:36 AM (#5233430)
No postseason bonus but some small credit for playing for Division-contender
1. Bonds
2. Griffey
3. Olerud
4. Thomas
5. Piazza
6. Dykstra
7. Palmeiro
8. Maddux
9. R Alomar
10.J Gonzalez
11.Appier
12. Rijo
13.Hoiles
14.Molitor

Honorable mention to McGriff. His overall season missed the top 14 but was an invaluable deadline pickup
This season was tough, lots of competition for top 14
   7. EricC Posted: June 01, 2016 at 10:12 AM (#5233469)
1993 MMP ballot.

1. Barry Bonds
2. John Olerud
3. Kevin Appier
4. Jose Rijo
5. Chris Hoiles
6. Greg Maddux. WAR is surprisingly low compared to surrounding seasons
with similar raw stats.
7. Mike Piazza
8. Roberto Alomar
9. Ken Griffey Jr.
10. Rick Wilkins. As others have noted, the year of the catcher.
11. Juan Gonzalez
12. Mark Langston
13. Lenny Dykstra. Gets a bump due to fantastic postseason.
14. Frank Thomas
   8. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: June 01, 2016 at 02:11 PM (#5233843)
1993 final MMP ballot (a couple of tweaks from prelim):

1. Barry Bonds, lf, SF - the 2nd of what will be many PMMPs
2. Jose Rijo, sp, Cin - MMPitcher
3. John Olerud, 1b, Tor - AL MMP
4. Chris Hoiles, c, Bal
5. Kevin Appier, sp, KC - AL MMPitcher
6. Rick Wilkins, c, ChC
7. Ken Griffey, Jr., cf, Sea
8. Mike Piazza, c , LA
9. Greg Maddux, sp, Atl
10. Juan Gonzalez, lf, Tex
11. Rafael Palmeiro, 1b, Tex
12. Lenny Dykstra, cf, Phi
13. Frank Thomas, 1b, CWS
14. Randy Johnson, sp, Sea

15-20. Mark Langston, Robby Thompson, Darren Daulton, Jay Bell, Roberto Alomar, Rickey Henderson.
   9. DL from MN Posted: June 01, 2016 at 03:39 PM (#5233984)
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   10. DL from MN Posted: June 02, 2016 at 10:12 AM (#5234539)
I can extend to next Wednesday if that helps. I think the June 1 close may have tricked some voters.
   11. DL from MN Posted: June 07, 2016 at 12:18 PM (#5238091)
Ballot will close tomorrow
   12. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 07, 2016 at 05:52 PM (#5238500)
1) Barry Bonds: Best ML player and left fielder - in complete domination mode.
2) John Olerud: Best ML first baseman.
2) Juan Gonzalez: Best AL left fielder.
3) Mike Piazza: Best NL player and ML catcher.
4) Rafael Palmeiro
5) Frank Thomas
6) Jose Rijo: Best ML pitcher.
7) Lenny Dykstar: Best ML center fielder.
8) Kevin Appier: Best AL pitcher.
9) Roberto Alomar: Best ML second baseman.
10) Chris Hoiles: Best AL catcher.
11) Rich Wilkins
12) Darren Daulton
13) Ken Griffey Jr.: Best AL center fielder.
14) Greg Maddux
   13. DL from MN Posted: June 08, 2016 at 10:11 AM (#5238883)
Murphy - two #2 votes so Maddux falls off-ballot at #15
   14. DL from MN Posted: June 08, 2016 at 04:49 PM (#5239343)
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