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Most Meritorious Player: 2005 Discussion

The White Sox end their drought by beating the Astros in the World Series. Vote for 15.

Player Name		SH WS		rWAR
Alex Rodriguez		39.1		9.4
Albert Pujols		37.1		8.4
Chase Utley		26.5		7.2
Derrek Lee		34.0		7.7
Brian Giles		29.7		4.9
Andruw Jones		26.6		6.7
Morgan Ensberg		26.3		6.3
Brian Roberts		27.3		7.2
Mark Teixeira		28.5		7.2
Jason Bay		29.8		5.7
Jim Edmonds		25.9		4.4
Victor Martinez		21.0		5.2
Miguel Cabrera		28.8		5.2
Vlad Guerrero		27.5		5.7
Rafael Furcal		25.8		6.4
Placido Polanco		19.5		6.1
David Wright		27.0		4.8
Coco Crisp		19.3		4.3
Jeff Kent		25.1		3.7
Jhonny Peralta		24.6		5.1
Todd Helton		25.6		4.6
Jorge Posada		19.4		4.4
Travis Hafner		22.7		5.4
Cliff Floyd		23.2		4.7
Chipper Jones		19.2		4.1
Jason Giambi		24.0		4.6
Miguel Tejada		25.3		5.9
Grady Sizemore		22.2		6.6
Adam Dunn		24.3		2.9
Derek Jeter		29.1		3.8
David Ortiz		30.1		5.3
Julio Lugo		25.4		4.3
Craig Counsell		19.0		5.5
Randy Winn		24.5		3.7
Geoff Jenkins		22.0		4.6
David DeJesus		15.0		4.4
Mark Ellis		22.0		4.7
Eric Chavez		22.6		4.8
Chad Tracy		20.0		3.6
Hideki Matsui		23.6		4.5
Jimmy Rollins		21.6		4.9
Carl Crawford		21.7		4.4
Gary Sheffield		25.1		4.1
Ichiro Suzuki		22.3		3.9
Johnny Damon		25.2		4.0
Manny Ramirez		27.5		4.4
Joe Mauer		22.3		2.8


Pitcher Name
Roger Clemens		23.5		8.2
Dontrelle Willis	22.6		8.4
Johan Santana		22.1		7.2
Andy Pettitte		22.6		6.2
Jake Peavy		16.0		4.9
Carlos Zambrano		19.3		6.5
Roy Oswalt		21.4		5.9
Pedro Martinez		19.6		6.5
Roy Halladay		14.9		5.5
John Smoltz		19.2		4.9
Kenny Rogers		14.9		5.0
Chris Carpenter		20.8		5.4
Brandon Webb		18.5		4.5
Mark Buehrle		22.0		4.8
Jarrod Washburn		13.8		4.3
John Lackey		16.2		4.2
Kevin Millwood		14.8		4.0
Shawn Chacon		11.2		4.6
Jon Garland		20.1		4.7
Bartolo Colon		18.1		4.0
John Patterson		14.2		4.5
Randy Johnson		14.6		5.6
Noah Lowry		14.7		4.8
Tom Glavine		13.9		4.3
Freddy Garcia		17.7		3.5
Josh Beckett		12.9		3.9
Rich Harden		11.4		3.7
Zach Duke		10.1		3.5
Jose Contreras		17.3		3.6
Tim Wakefield		14.8		4.5

Mariano Rivera		18.1		4.1
Todd Jones		14.6		3.0
Tom Gordon		10.0		3.0
Mike Timlin		14.1		3.0
Billy Wagner		17.2		2.8
Joe Nathan		16.6		2.1

 

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   1. DL from MN Posted: June 08, 2017 at 01:27 PM (#5471678)
2005 Prelim
1) Roger Clemens - will Clemens finally win an MMP?
2) Alex Rodriguez - top position player, best hitter
3) Dontrelle Willis
4) Albert Pujols
5) Chase Utley - great fielding
6) Johan Santana
7) Derrek Lee - 2nd best bat
8) Andy Pettitte - strong rotation in Houston, deep rotation for the White Sox
9) Brian Giles
10) Andruw Jones
11) Jake Peavy
12) Carlos Zambrano
13) Roy Oswalt - strong year for pitchers or weak for batters?
14) Morgan Ensberg
15) Brian Roberts

16-20) Pedro Martinez, Roy Halladay, Mark Teixeira, Jason Bay, Jim Edmonds
21-25) Victor Martinez, John Smoltz, Miguel Cabrera, Vlad Guerrero, Rafael Furcal
   2. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 09, 2017 at 07:47 PM (#5473088)
1) Alex Rodriguez
2) Albert Pujols
3) Derrek Lee
4) Jason Bay
5) Roger Clemens
6) Mark Teixeira
7 David Wright
8) Brian Roberts
9) Vladimir Guerrero
10) Chase Utley
11) David Ortiz
12) Brian Giles
13) Derek Jeter
14) Morgan Ensberg
15) Andy Pettite
   3. Chris Fluit Posted: June 10, 2017 at 09:39 PM (#5473596)
will Clemens finally win an MMP?

It's kind of surprising Clemens has never won one. However, we could just as easily ask "Will ARod finally win an MMP?"
   4. darrenmell Posted: June 13, 2017 at 04:49 AM (#5474764)
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   5. Chris Fluit Posted: June 13, 2017 at 01:30 PM (#5475040)
2005 Prelim- AL Only

1. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, New York Yankees: dominates the junior circuit with 173 OPS+ and 163 RC
2. David Ortiz, DH, Boston Red Sox: 4th in OPS+ and 2nd in RC
3. Johan Santana, P, Minnesota Twins: 155 ERA+ is 1st in AL; 231 IP is 2nd
4. Brian Roberts, 2B, Baltimore Orioles: cracks the top ten in OPS+ while adding +15 defense from the keystone
5. Mark Buehrle, P, Chicago White Sox: leads the AL in IP with 236; 3rd in ERA+ with 144
6. Mark Teixeira, 1B, Texas Rangers: great combo of O (144 OPS+) and D (+13 fielding)
7. Travis Hafner, DH, Cleveland Indians: 2nd in AL in OPS+ with 168
8. Victor Martinez, C, Cleveland Indians: 130 OPS+ and catcher bonus boosts V-Mart
9. Vladimir Guerrero, RF, Los Angeles Angels: 154 OPS+ and +8 fielding
10. Roy Halladay, P, Toronto Blue Jays: 185 ERA+ in an injury shortened season
   6. DL from MN Posted: June 13, 2017 at 03:09 PM (#5475133)
It's kind of surprising Clemens has never won one. However, we could just as easily ask "Will ARod finally win an MMP?"


One of them should break their drought this season.
   7. bjhanke Posted: June 14, 2017 at 08:17 AM (#5475488)
I would be astonished if Clemens won the MMP. WAR has him behind Dontrelle Willis and Albert Pujols and way behind ARod. Win Shares, aware that he only pitched 211 innings, has him nowhere near the top. He might gain ground if he had had an explosive postseason, but in fact he pitched poorly in the post. It's probably worth remembering that he was already 42 years old in 2005. 42-year-old pitchers generally do not win MMPs. Clemens pitched one hell of a 211 innings, but there remain only 211 of them. - Brock
   8. Chris Fluit Posted: June 20, 2017 at 04:57 PM (#5479434)
2005 Prelim- NL Only

1. Roger Clemens, P, Houston Astros: doesn't crack the top ten in IP but 226 ERA+ leads the league by almost 50 points
2. Derrek Lee, 1B, Chicago Cubs: 1st in NL in OPS+ and RC, with +5 fielding
3. Albert Pujols, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: 2nd in NL in OPS+ and RC with +13 fielding
4. Andy Pettite, P, Houston Astros
5. Chris Carpenter, P, St. Louis Cardinals
6. Dontrelle Willis, P, Florida Marlins: good year for pitching in the senior circuit; these three are 2-3-4 in ERA+ and each have over 220 IP
7. Chase Utley, 2B, Philadelphia Phillies: the underrated superstar career kicks off with a 132 OPS+ and +23 fielding
8. Roy Oswalt, P, Houston Astros: an incredible rotation in Houston; Oswalt is sixth in the league in ERA+ but only third on his team
9. Morgan Ensberg, 3B, Houston Astros: a career year thanks to a 144 OPS+ and +14 fielding
10. Pedro Martinez, P, New York Mets: just beats out John Smoltz and Jason Bay for the top ten
   9. Chris Fluit Posted: June 20, 2017 at 05:05 PM (#5479442)
2005 Prelim- Combined

1. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, New York Yankees: dominates the junior circuit with 173 OPS+ and 163 RC
2. Roger Clemens, P, Houston Astros: doesn't crack the top ten in IP but 226 ERA+ leads the league by almost 50 points
3. Derrek Lee, 1B, Chicago Cubs: 1st in NL in OPS+ and RC, with +5 fielding
4. Albert Pujols, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: 2nd in NL in OPS+ and RC with +13 fielding
5. David Ortiz, DH, Boston Red Sox: 4th in OPS+ and 2nd in RC
6. Johan Santana, P, Minnesota Twins: 155 ERA+ is 1st in AL; 231 IP is 2nd
7. Brian Roberts, 2B, Baltimore Orioles: cracks the top ten in OPS+ while adding +15 defense from the keystone
8. Andy Pettite, P, Houston Astros
9. Mark Buehrle, P, Chicago White Sox: leads the AL in IP with 236; 3rd in ERA+ with 144
10. Mark Teixeira, 1B, Texas Rangers: great combo of O (144 OPS+) and D (+13 fielding)
11. Chris Carpenter, P, St. Louis Cardinals
12. Dontrelle Willis, P, Florida Marlins: good year for pitching in the senior circuit; these two are 3rd and 4th in ERA+ with over 235 IP
13. Travis Hafner, DH, Cleveland Indians: 2nd in AL in OPS+ with 168
14. Chase Utley, 2B, Philadelphia Phillies: the underrated superstar career kicks off with a 132 OPS+ and +23 fielding
15. Roy Oswalt, P, Houston Astros: an incredible rotation in Houston; Oswalt is sixth in the league in ERA+ but only third on his team

16. Victor Martinez, C, Cleveland Indians: 130 OPS+ and catcher bonus boosts V-Mart
17. Vladimir Guerrero, RF, Los Angeles Angels: 154 OPS+ and +8 fielding
18. Roy Halladay, P, Toronto Blue Jays: 185 ERA+ in an injury shortened season
19. Morgan Ensberg, 3B, Houston Astros: a career year thanks to a 144 OPS+ and +14 fielding
20. Kevin Millwood, P, Cleveland Indians: low on IP (192) but 2nd in Al with 147 ERA+
   10. DL from MN Posted: June 28, 2017 at 04:49 PM (#5484851)
2005 ALDS White Sox 3 Red Sox 0
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
David Ortiz 3 12 2 4 2 0 1 1 0 3 .333 .333 .750 1.083 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Mark Buehrle 1 1 5.14 1 0 0 0 7.0 8 4 4 1 2 1.286 
Jose Contreras 1 1 2.35 1 0 0 0 7.2 8 2 2 0 6 1.043
Freddy Garcia 1 1 5.40 1 0 0 0 5.0 5 3 3 4 1 1.800 

Tim Wakefield 1 1 6.75 0 1 0 0 5.1 6 4 4 1 4 1.313
   11. DL from MN Posted: June 28, 2017 at 04:57 PM (#5484858)
2005 ALDS Angels 3 Yankees 2
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Vladimir Guerrero 5 18 5 6 0 0 0 0 2 2 .333 .429 .333 .762 1 1 0

Jason Giambi 5 19 1 8 3 0 0 2 3 4 .421 .500 .579 1.079 0 0 0
Derek Jeter 5 21 4 7 0 0 2 5 1 5 .333 .348 .619 .967 1 0 0
Jorge Posada 5 13 3 3 1 0 1 2 6 2 .231 .474 .538 1.012 0 0 0
Alex Rodriguez 5 15 2 2 1 0 0 0 6 5 .133 .435 .200 .635 1 1 1
Hideki Matsui 5 20 4 4 1 0 1 1 2 3 .200 .273 .400 .673 0 0 1
Gary Sheffield 5 21 1 6 0 0 0 2 1 2 .286 .318 .286 .604 0 0 1

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Bartolo Colon 2 2 4.50 0 1 0 0 8.0 10 4 4 2 7 1.500 
John Lackey 2 2 2.38 0 0 0 0 11.1 7 3 3 9 9 1.412

Shawn Chacon 1 1 2.84 0 0 0 0 6.1 4 2 2 1 5 0.789
Randy Johnson 2 1 6.14 0 0 0 0 7.1 12 5 5 1 4 1.773
Mariano Rivera 2 0 3.00 0 0 2 0 3.0 1 1 1 1 2 0.667
   12. DL from MN Posted: June 28, 2017 at 05:12 PM (#5484867)
2005 NLDS Cardinals 3 Padres 0
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Jim Edmonds 3 11 5 4 2 0 1 1 2 2 .364 .462 .818 1.280 0 0 0
Albert Pujols 3 9 4 5 2 0 0 2 4 0 .556 .692 .778 1.470 0 0 0

Brian Giles 3 13 0 3 0 0 0 1 1 2 .231 .286 .231 .516 1 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Chris Carpenter 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 0 6.0 3 0 0 3 3 1.000 

Jake Peavy 1 1 16.62 0 1 0 0 4.1 8 8 8 3 3 2.538 
   13. DL from MN Posted: June 28, 2017 at 05:33 PM (#5484893)
2005 NLDS Astros 3 Braves 1
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Morgan Ensberg 4 18 2 5 2 0 0 7 2 3 .278 .350 .389 .739 0 0 1

Rafael Furcal 4 20 1 3 0 0 0 0 3 2 .150 .261 .150 .411 3 0 0 
Andruw Jones 4 17 5 8 3 0 1 5 2 3 .471 .524 .824 1.347 0 0 0
Chipper Jones 4 17 3 3 2 0 1 2 4 4 .176 .333 .471 .804 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Roger Clemens 2 1 5.63 1 1 0 0 8.0 7 5 5 3 6 1.250 
Roy Oswalt 1 1 3.68 1 0 0 0 7.1 6 3 3 2 7 1.091 
Andy Pettitte 1 1 3.86 1 0 0 0 7.0 4 3 3 2 6 0.857

John Smoltz 1 1 1.29 1 0 0 0 7.0 7 1 1 1 5 1.143 
Tim Hudson 2 2 5.27 0 1 0 0 13.2 13 8 8 6 8 1.390
   14. DL from MN Posted: June 28, 2017 at 05:38 PM (#5484900)
2005 ALCS White Sox 4 Angels 1
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS
Vladimir Guerrero 5 20 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 .050 .050 .050 .100 0 0 1 

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Mark Buehrle 1 1 1.00 1 0 0 1 9.0 5 1 1 0 4 0.556
Jose Contreras 2 2 3.12 1 1 0 1 17.1 12 6 6 2 6 0.808
Freddy Garcia 1 1 2.00 1 0 0 1 9.0 6 2 2 1 5 0.778
Jon Garland 1 1 2.00 1 0 0 1 9.0 4 2 2 1 7 0.556

John Lackey 1 1 9.00 0 1 0 0 5.0 8 5 5 1 3 1.800
Jarrod Washburn 1 1 0.00 0 0 0 0 4.2 4 1 0 1 1 1.071
   15. DL from MN Posted: June 28, 2017 at 05:48 PM (#5484904)
2005 NLCS Astros 4 Cardinals 2
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Morgan Ensberg 6 21 1 5 1 0 0 2 2 2 .238 .292 .286 .577 0 0 1

Jim Edmonds 6 19 2 4 1 0 0 0 5 5 .211 .375 .263 .638 1 0 1
Albert Pujols 6 23 3 7 0 0 2 6 1 3 .304 .320 .565 .885 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Roger Clemens 1 1 3.00 1 0 0 0 6.0 6 2 2 2 1 1.333 
Roy Oswalt 2 2 1.29 2 0 0 0 14.0 8 2 2 4 12 0.857 
Andy Pettitte 2 2 5.11 0 1 0 0 12.1 15 7 7 4 6 1.541

Chris Carpenter 2 2 3.00 1 0 0 0 15.0 14 6 5 4 9 1.200
   16. DL from MN Posted: June 28, 2017 at 05:54 PM (#5484910)
2005 World Series
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS
Morgan Ensberg 4 18 2 2 0 0 1 2 1 7 .111 .158 .278 .436 0 0 1

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Mark Buehrle 2 1 4.91 0 0 1 0 7.1 7 4 4 0 6 0.955
Jose Contreras 1 1 3.86 1 0 0 0 7.0 6 3 3 0 2 0.857 
Freddy Garcia 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 0 7.0 4 0 0 3 7 1.000
Jon Garland 1 1 2.57 0 0 0 0 7.0 7 4 2 2 4 1.286

Roger Clemens 1 1 13.50 0 0 0 0 2.0 4 3 3 0 1 2.000
Roy Oswalt 1 1 7.50 0 0 0 0 6.0 8 5 5 5 3 2.167
Andy Pettitte 1 1 3.00 0 0 0 0 6.0 8 2 2 0 4 1.333
   17. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: July 02, 2017 at 10:11 PM (#5487021)
Preliminary ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender
Interesting year--weaker pitching performances in AL, much stronger in NL.

1. A Rod--clear cut #1 for me
2. Pujols--easy #2. With Bonds' injury, Pujols and A Rod are the two best players in the game
3. Lee--kind out of nowhere career year
4. Utley--edges out Tex for #4
5. Teixeira
6. Willis--barely beats Carpenter for top pitcher, could go either way honestly but bat sees to it that he is ahead
7. Carpenter
8. Andruw Jones--lower BA/OBP keep him from challenging for top 3
9. Clemens--less innings & not completing games hurt standing as well as win total
10.Roberts
11.Ensberg--anchored weak Houston offense, along with World Series rival at 3B Joe Crede, just kinda vanished
12.Santana--top AL pitcher in a weak year for Junior circuit hurlers
13.Ortiz
14.Pettitte
15.Oswalt--three Astros pitchers make top 15

Honorable mention or close:
Vlad, Hafner, Miggy, Bay, Manny, Pedro

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