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Most Meritorious Player: 2006 Discussion

The Cardinals beat the Tigers in the World Series. Vote for 15.

Player Name		SH WS		rWAR
Carlos Beltran		33.1		8.2
Albert Pujols		34.2		8.5
Joe Mauer		30.6		5.8
Chase Utley		27.7		7.3
Grady Sizemore		26.6		6.6
Carlos Guillen		25.3		6.0
Vernon Wells		24.8		6.2
Jose Reyes		25.9		5.8
Bill Hall		21.5		5.8
Miguel Cabrera		29.6		5.8
Derek Jeter		29.6		5.5
Scott Rolen		24.2		5.8
Brian McCann		20.8		4.3
Andruw Jones		23.0		5.6
Ramon Hernandez		19.0		4.2
Jorge Posada		22.4		4.0
Adrian Beltre		18.8		5.4
Lance Berkman		28.3		6.0
Alfonso Soriano		28.3		6.1
Hanley Ramirez		25.1		4.9
Travis Hafner		23.8		5.9
Garrett Atkins		22.3		4.9
Miguel Tejada		24.6		4.5
Ichiro Suzuki		25.1		5.3
Gary Matthews Jr	21.5		5.2
Brandon Inge		16.4		4.9
Jimmy Rollins		23.6		4.6
Joe Crede		19.0		4.8
Freddy Sanchez		21.9		4.4
Reed Johnson		17.6		5.1
David Ortiz		27.7		5.7
Ryan Howard		31.0		5.2
Nick Johnson		26.0		5.0
Mike Cameron		23.9		4.3
Rafael Furcal		26.5		4.3
Alex Rodriguez		22.8		4.5
David Wright		28.3		4.1
Alex Rios		15.8		4.6
Jason Bay		23.9		4.3
Carl Crawford		18.2		4.5
Troy Glaus		16.7		4.3
Chipper Jones		21.2		3.6
Jim Thome		24.0		4.9
Manny Ramirez		25.4		4.5
Jermaine Dye		25.4		4.6
Barry Bonds		22.1		4.0
J.D. Drew		20.7		4.0
Raul Ibanez		22.4		4.5
Justin Morneau		26.5		4.3
Mark Teixeira		21.2		4.4

Pitcher Name
Johan Santana		23.7		7.5
Brandon Webb		20.2		7.0
Bronson Arroyo		20.9		7.0
Roy Oswalt		20.2		6.1
John Smoltz		16.3		5.9
Chien-Ming Wang		16.8		6.0
Curt Schilling		16.0		5.6
Carlos Zambrano		16.6		5.8
Aaron Harang		18.0		5.0
Roy Halladay		19.6		5.2
Chris Carpenter		19.5		4.9
Jered Weaver		13.9		4.8
Jason Jennings		15.0		4.9
Mike Mussina		14.3		5.0
Francisco Liriano	15.2		4.6
Derek Lowe		15.1		4.6
John Lackey		16.4		4.7
CC Sabathia		14.9		4.6
Scott Kazmir		12.8		4.2
Dontrelle Willis	13.1		4.7
Barry Zito		16.7		4.4
Brett Myers		12.8		3.7
Justin Verlander	15.4		4.1
Jason Schmidt		15.6		4.0
Freddy Garcia		14.4		3.9
Anibal Sanchez		10.6		3.4
Josh Johnson		12.6		3.6
Erik Bedard		13.5		3.9
Roger Clemens		11.6		3.5
Aaron Cook		12.8		3.4
Jose Contreras		13.5		3.8
Jon Garland		14.8		3.8

Jonathan Papelbon	19.2		5.0
Mariano Rivera		16.0		3.9
Francisco Rodriguez	17.5		3.8
B.J. Ryan		18.3		3.6
Takashi Saito		16.9		3.3
Joe Nathan		19.4		3.3

 

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   1. DL from MN Posted: July 10, 2017 at 02:59 PM (#5490531)
2006 Prelim

Dan R data doesn't exist publicly past 2005 so I have to use my post-2005 methods now

1) Carlos Beltran - good glove
2) Albert Pujols - Fangraphs does not like his defense, best bat
3) Johan Santana - Easily the best pitcher
4) Joe Mauer - C bonus
5) Chase Utley - Good glove
6) Brandon Webb - best NL pitcher
7) Bronson Arroyo
8) Grady Sizemore - good glove, bat, baserunning
9) Carlos Guillen - good bat for SS
10) Vernon Wells
11) Jose Reyes
12) Roy Oswalt
13) Bill Hall
14) Miguel Cabrera - great bat, fair fielding
15) Derek Jeter - before postseason

16-20) John Smoltz, Chien-Ming Wang, Scott Rolen, Brian McCann, Andruw Jones
21-25) Ramon Hernandez, Curt Schilling, Carlos Zambrano, Jorge Posada, Adrian Beltre
   2. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 10, 2017 at 07:39 PM (#5490672)
Prelim:

1) Albert Pujols
2) Carlos Beltran
3) Joe Mauer
4) Miguel Cabrera
5) Ryan Howard
6) Grady Sizemore
7) Derek Jeter
8) Chase Utley
0) Lance Berkman
10) Johan Santana
11) Alfonso Soriano
12) Carlos Guillen
13) David Ortiz
14) Vernon Wells
15) Jose Reyes

Best NL pitcher: Brandon Webb
   3. ThickieDon Posted: July 14, 2017 at 11:06 AM (#5493469)
Prelim, with post-season bonuses:

1. Carlos Beltran
2. Albert Pujols
3. Grady Sizemore
4. Chase Utley
5. Ryan Howard
6. Travis Hafner
7. Lance Berkman
8. Johan Santana
9. Miguel Cabrera
10. Carlos Guillen
11. Derek Jeter
12. Joe Mauer
13. David Ortiz
14. Vernon Wells
15. Brandon Webb
   4. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 14, 2017 at 03:55 PM (#5493775)
#2 Prelim:

1) Albert Pujols
2) Carlos Beltran
3) Joe Mauer
4) Miguel Cabrera
5) Ryan Howard
6) Grady Sizemore
7) Derek Jeter
8) Travis Hafner
9) Chase Utley
10) Lance Berkman
11) Johan Santana
12) Alfonso Soriano
13) Carlos Guillen
14) David Ortiz
15) Vernon Wells

Best NL pitcher: Brandon Webb
   5. Chris Fluit Posted: July 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM (#5494305)
2006 Prelim

1. Albert Pujols, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: 178 OPS+ leads NL; +17 fielding is remarkable for a first baseman
2. Ryan Howard, 1B, Philadelphia Phillies: 167 OPS+ and 169 RC more than offsets -9 fielding
3. Johan Santana, P, Minnesota Twins: best player in the AL thanks to league-leading 162 ERA+ and 233 IP
4. Travis Hafner, DH, Cleveland Indians: 181 OPS+ leads MLB
5. Chase Utley, 2B, Philadelphia Phillies: incredible all around play: 125 OPS+, 136 RC, +5 baserunning and +18 fielding
6. David Ortiz, DH, Boston Red Sox: 152 RC leads the AL while 161 OPS+ is 3rd
7. Joe Mauer, C, Minnesota Twins: top ten in AL OPS+ with 144 from the backstop
8. Lance Berkman, 1B/RF, Houston Astros: 163 OPS+ and 144 RC
9. Miguel Cabrera, 3B, Florida Marlins: 159 OPS+ and 139 RC
10. Derek Jeter, SS, New York Yankees: good at almost everything: 132 OPS+, 133 RC, +4 baserunning; too bad about that -18 fielding
11. Brandon Webb, P, Arizona Diamondbacks: top pitcher in the NL
12. Grady Sizemore, CF, Cleveland Indians: similar to Jeter though better baserunner and not as awful a defender
13. Carlos Beltran, CF, New York Mets: 150 OPS+ and 127 RC
14. Bronson Arroyo, P, Cincinnati Reds
15. Roy Halladay, P, Toronto Blue Jays: the two pitchers beat out Thome for the last ballot spot

16. Jim Thome, DH, Chicago White Sox
17. Carlos Guillen, SS, Detroit Tigers
18. Roy Oswalt, P, Houston Astros
19. Garrett Atkins, 3B, Colorado Rockies
20. Jose Reyes, SS, New York Mets
   6. ThickieDon Posted: July 17, 2017 at 07:58 AM (#5494525)
Beltran provided all-around value similar to Utley in 2006, but with a better bat and a typically monster post-season (minus the final at-bat).

Even if you don't include post-season, I'm interested in hearing your reasoning for ranking him below the other MVP-caliber CF Sizemore, and far below Utley.
   7. Chris Fluit Posted: July 17, 2017 at 02:20 PM (#5494730)
I thought someone might ask me about Beltran seeing as that I have him ranked well below the consensus (everyone else so far has him in the top two). For me, it's a combination of things. Comparing him to Utley, Chase was the better baserunner (+6 to +4) and the better defender (+18 to +13 fielding runs); plus Utley receives a bigger positional bonus for playing 2B instead of CF, enough to essentially offset Beltran's advantage in OPS+. However, I'm glad I took an extra look. I realized that I wasn't giving Beltran full credit for his baserunning. That helps out a bit and he'll leapfrog Sizemore and Webb for my final ballot.
   8. MrC. Posted: July 21, 2017 at 08:28 PM (#5497972)
2006 preliminary

1. Carlos Beltran 7.71 WARR adj - RAA only the 5th Best in the league; but positional adjustment, fielding runs and base running gave him an advantage over the 4 corner infielders, the players with more with more RAA
2. Albert Pujols 7.50 WARR Adj+ 9 runs ahead of Beltran offensively, good defensive numbers, (+18 compared to +22 for Beltran), but positional adjustment and base running kept him from the top.
3. Johan Santana 6.83 WARR Best AL pitcher by a whole bunch.
4. Miguel Cabrera 6.77 WARR Strong number offensively, but -12 defensively. His 3B positional adjustment keeps him ahead of Howard and Berkman.
5. Lance Berkman 6.51 WARR Not as good offensively as Howard, but is +7 defensively compared to -12.5 for Howard.
6. Ryan Howard 6.37 WARR Best offensive numbers in the NL, but poor defense and position adjustment lower his standing.
7. Derek Jeter 6.14 WARR Very strong offensively, but -10 defensively.
8. Brandon Webb 5.91 WARR
9. Bronson Arroyo 5.81 WARR Arroyo had the best pitching numbers, but Webb's hitting numbers moved him ahead of him.
10. John Smoltz 5.62 WARR
11. Joe Mauer 5.57 WARR
12. Carlos Guillen 5.16 WARR
13. Travis Hafner 5.14 WARR
14. Chien-Ming Wang 5.08 WARR
15. Chase Utley 5.07 WARR

Rest of the top 20
16. Grady Sizemore
17. Roy Oswalt
18. Garrett Atkins
19 David Ortiz
20. Jon Papelbon

Last 4 positions on the ballot could easily be changed with further research.
   9. DL from MN Posted: July 24, 2017 at 12:16 PM (#5498828)
Ooh, looks like a real election instead of a coronation this season
   10. DL from MN Posted: July 25, 2017 at 05:13 PM (#5499684)
ALDS Tigers 3 Yankees 1
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Carlos Guillen 4 14 3 8 3 0 1 2 2 1 .571 .625 1.000 1.625 0 0 0
Brandon Inge 4 15 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 6 .133 .133 .133 .267 0 0 0

Derek Jeter 4 16 4 8 4 0 1 1 1 2 .500 .529 .938 1.467 0 1 1
Jorge Posada 4 14 2 7 1 0 1 2 2 2 .500 .563 .786 1.348 0 0 0 
Alex Rodriguez 4 14 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 .071 .133 .071 .205 0 0 1

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Justin Verlander 1 1 5.06 0 0 0 0 5.1 7 3 3 4 5 2.063 

Mike Mussina 1 1 5.14 0 1 0 0 7.0 8 4 4 0 5 1.143 
Mariano Rivera 1 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 1.000 
Chien-Ming Wang 1 1 4.05 1 0 0 0 6.2 8 3 3 1 4 1.350 
   11. DL from MN Posted: July 25, 2017 at 05:28 PM (#5499697)
ALDS Athletics 3 Twins 0
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Joe Mauer 3 11 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .182 .250 .182 .432 0 0 0
Justin Morneau 3 12 3 5 1 0 2 2 0 0 .417 .417 1.000 1.417 0 0 1

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Barry Zito 1 1 1.13 1 0 0 0 8.0 4 1 1 3 1 0.875

Johan Santana 1 1 2.25 0 1 0 0 8.0 5 2 2 1 8 0.750 
   12. DL from MN Posted: July 25, 2017 at 05:39 PM (#5499701)
NLDS Mets 3 Dodgers 0
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Carlos Beltran 3 9 2 2 0 0 0 1 5 2 .222 .500 .222 .722 1 0 1 
Jose Reyes 3 12 2 2 0 0 0 3 2 2 .167 .286 .167 .452 1 1 0
David Wright 3 12 1 4 2 0 0 4 1 4 .333 .385 .500 .885 0 0 1

J.D. Drew 3 13 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 3 .154 .154 .154 .308 0 0 0
Rafael Furcal 3 11 1 2 0 0 0 1 3 2 .182 .357 .182 .539 2 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Derek Lowe 1 1 6.75 0 0 0 0 5.1 6 4 4 2 6 1.500
Takashi Saito 2 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 2.2 0 0 0 0 4 0.000
   13. DL from MN Posted: July 25, 2017 at 05:42 PM (#5499707)
NLDS Cardinals 3 Padres 1
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Albert Pujols 4 15 3 5 1 0 1 3 1 4 .333 .375 .600 .975 0 0 0 
Scott Rolen 3 11 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 .091 .167 .182 .348 0 0 0 

Mike Cameron 4 14 1 2 1 0 0 1 3 7 .143 .294 .214 .508 1 0 0 

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Chris Carpenter 2 2 2.03 2 0 0 0 13.1 12 3 3 4 12 1.200 
   14. DL from MN Posted: July 25, 2017 at 05:50 PM (#5499721)
NLCS Cardinals 4 Mets 3
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Albert Pujols 7 22 5 7 1 0 1 1 7 3 .318 .483 .500 .983 0 0 0
Scott Rolen 7 21 4 5 1 0 0 0 3 1 .238 .333 .286 .619 0 1 2

Carlos Beltran 7 27 8 8 1 0 3 4 4 3 .296 .387 .667 1.054 1 0 0
Jose Reyes 7 32 5 9 1 1 1 2 1 3 .281 .303 .469 .772 2 0 0
David Wright 7 25 2 4 1 0 1 2 4 4 .160 .276 .320 .596 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Chris Carpenter 2 2 5.73 0 1 0 0 11.0 13 7 7 4 5 1.545 
   15. DL from MN Posted: July 25, 2017 at 05:59 PM (#5499730)
ALCS Tigers 4 Athletics 0
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Carlos Guillen 4 16 1 3 1 0 0 0 1 4 .188 .235 .250 .485 0 0 1
Brandon Inge 4 12 3 4 1 0 1 3 3 3 .333 .438 .667 1.104 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Justin Verlander 1 1 6.75 1 0 0 0 5.1 7 4 4 1 6 1.500 

Barry Zito 1 1 12.27 0 1 0 0 3.2 7 5 5 3 0 2.727 
   16. DL from MN Posted: July 25, 2017 at 06:03 PM (#5499733)
World Series Cardinals 4 Tigers 1
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Albert Pujols 5 15 3 3 1 0 1 2 5 3 .200 .429 .467 .895 0 1 1
Scott Rolen 5 19 5 8 3 0 1 2 2 4 .421 .476 .737 1.213 0 0 1

Carlos Guillen 5 17 2 6 1 1 0 2 3 4 .353 .450 .529 .979 1 0 0 
Brandon Inge 5 17 0 6 2 0 0 1 1 6 .353 .389 .471 .859 0 0 3 

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Chris Carpenter 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 0 8.0 3 0 0 0 6 0.375

Justin Verlander 2 2 5.73 0 2 0 0 11.0 12 10 7 5 12 1.545 
   17. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: July 29, 2017 at 10:04 AM (#5502144)
Preliminary ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender

1. Pujols--for me he is a clear #1, odd to see Cards win WS in an 83-win off yr
2. Beltran--after an off-year in 05, starts living up to FA contract he signed
3. Utley--one heck of a career peak
4. Sizemore--great player who fell apart quickly
5. Howard--won actual MVP, helped by 58 HR to win award but also played factor in my ballot
6. Ortiz--also a ton of HRs
7. Mauer
8. Jeter--along with Ortiz never won MVP but came close this year, glove as always hurts in ranking & slots him behind Mauer
9. Santana--top pitcher, heck of peak--too bad injuries crushed HOF chances
10.Hafner--gawdy numbers in limited action, likely top 5 with more games played
11.Berkman--Fat Elvis has made the ballot! Base running, lower runs scored, & poor play in RF hurt standing
12.Cabrera
13.Webb--tough year for pitchers
14.A Jones--last appearance for the slick gloved CFer
15.Morneau--actual MVP in controversial vote just beats out ChiSox sluggers Dye & Thome

Honorable mention
Dye & Thome
Wells
Soriano--ton of HR from leadoff
Guillen
Nick Johnson
Halladay

Frank Thomas--great to see comeback strong and prove he still had pop in his bat & lead A's

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