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Most Meritorious Player: 2007 Ballot

For 2007 each voter should rank the top 15 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 6 September 2017.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 5 September 2017.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: August 24, 2017 at 10:50 AM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: August 24, 2017 at 11:53 AM (#5520189)
2007 Ballot

1) Alex Rodriguez - Best bat, average glove at 3B. No contest this year.
2) David Wright - Well rounded player
3) Chase Utley - great glove
4) Albert Pujols - good glove season at 1B, great bat
5) Chipper Jones - best bat in NL
6) Curtis Granderson
7) Josh Beckett - strong postseason adds considerable value (30 innings)
8) Troy Tulowitzki
9) Jorge Posada - huge hitting season
10) Russell Martin
11) Magglio Ordonez
12) Roy Oswalt - best NL pitcher
13) Jimmy Rollins - nice season, small postseason bonus
14) Jake Peavy - great bat for a pitcher
15) Brandon Webb

16-20) Robinson Cano, Brad Penny, Roberto Hernandez, Carlos Pena, CC Sabathia
21-26) John Lackey, David Ortiz, Mark Buehrle, Javier Vazquez, Placido Polanco, Matt Holliday
   2. MrC. Posted: August 26, 2017 at 06:55 PM (#5521588)
2007 Final Ballot

1. Alex Rodriguez 8.46 WARR
2. Matt Holliday 7.34 WARR adj+
3. Albert Pujols 7.29 WARR
4. Curtis Granderson 6.71 WARR
5. David Wright 6.63 WARR
6. Jake Peavy 6.31 WARR
7. Chipper Jones 6.21 WARR
8. Magglio Ordonez 6.18 WARR
9. Troy Tulowitzki 6.18 WARR adj-
10. Brad Penny 5.95 WARR
11. C.C. Sabathia 5.84 WARR adj -
12. Carlos Pena 5.80 WARR
13. Chase Utley 5.71 WARR
14. Ichiro Suzuki 5.61 WARR
15. David Ortiz 5.54 WARR

Rest of the top 20:
16. John Lackey
17. Roberto Hernadez
18. Josh beckett
19. Tim Hudson
20. Scott Kazmir
   3. caiman Posted: August 29, 2017 at 12:13 PM (#5522825)
Here's RPA highest rated players, with the runs produced, above the median:

1. Alex Rodriguez 57.37 runs
2. Carlos Pena 49.33 runs
3. David Ortiz 46.52 runs
4. David Wright 46.44 Runs
5. Chipper Jones 44.19 runs
6. Barry Bonds 35.30 runs I see that the prior two posts don't even mention Barry! Ridiculous!
7. Magglio Ordonez 34.50 runs
8. Curtis Granderson 34.18 runs
9. Prince Fielder 34.14 runs
10. Hanley Ramirez 33.77 runs
11. Grady Sizemore 33.24 runs
12. Matt Holiday 30.81 runs
13. CC Sabathia 30.68 runs
14. Jack Cust 30.52 runs
15. Brandon Webb 29.93 runs
16. Albert Pujols 29.78 runs
   4. Chris Fluit Posted: August 31, 2017 at 09:11 AM (#5523909)
2007 Ballot

1. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, New York Yankees: leads the majors in OPS+ and RC with 176 and 166
2. Chase Utley, 2B, Philadelphia Phillies: top National Leaguer thanks to all-around play (+3 baserunning and +18 defense to go with top ten OPS+)
3. David Wright, 3B, New York Mets: almost identical to Utley with slightly better bat and slightly worse baserunning
4. David Ortiz, DH, Boston Red Sox: 171 OPS+ and 156 RC
5. Albert Pujols, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: Does this count as a down year for The Machine?
6. Chipper Jones, 3B, Atlanta Braves: leads the NL in OPS+ with 165 but defense pales next to Utley, Wright and Pujols
7. Magglio Ordonez, RF, Detroit Tigers: 166 OPS+ and 152 RC
8. Jorge Posada, C, New York Yankees: career year with 153 OPS+
9. Brandon Webb, P, Arizona Diamondbacks: doesn't get the publicity of Santana but another great pitcher whose career ended abruptly due to injury: 158 ERA+ in 236 IP
10. Carlos Pena, 1B, Tampa Bay Rays: 172 OPS+ but only 135 RC
11. Jake Peavy, P, San Diego Padres: ties Webb for ERA+ with 158 but trails in IP with 223
12. Hanley Ramirez, SS, Florida Marlins: great bat (145 OPS+), awful glove (-28 fielding)
13. Matt Holliday, LF, Colorado Rockies: 150 OPS+ and 151 RC
14. Jimmy Rollins, SS, Philadelphia Phillies: another well-rounded Phillie with +5 fielding and 119 OPS+
15. CC Sabathia, P, Cleveland Indians: sneaks onto the ballot as the top AL pitcher thanks to 141 ERA+ in 241 IP

16. John Lackey, P, Los Angeles Angels: leads AL in ERA+ with 150 but trails Sabathia by 17 IP
17. Curtis Granderson, CF, Detroit Tigers: top ten OPS+ (135) and +14 defense
18. Russell Martin, C, Los Angeles Dodgers: +18 defense from behind the dish and 116 OPS+ from the batter's box
19. Roberto Hernandez, P, Cleveland Indians: whodathunkit?
20. Prince Fielder, 1B, Milwaukee Brewers: 2nd in NL OPS+ with 157 but brutal -15 fielding
21. Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Colorado Rockies
22. Miguel Cabrera, 3B, Florida Marlins
23. Dan Haren, P, Oakland Athletics
24. Brad Penny, P, Los Angeles Dodgers
25. Roy Oswalt, P, Houston Astros
   5. bjhanke Posted: August 31, 2017 at 03:08 PM (#5524259)
Here’s Brock Hanke’s ballot for 2007. It hasn't changed any since the one I put in the Discussion thread, but I have a minute here to transfer it to this thread, where it all be easier to include in the count.

It was a surprise. There was a lot of consensus between WAR and Win Shares, much more than normal. But, yes, there were a couple of severe disconnects. Win Shares has Hanley Ramirez ranked 5th; WAR has him 54th. That’s a disconnect. There’s a trio of disconnects going the other way, right next to each other, that are truly bizarre. In WAR, Brad Penny, Roy Oswalt, and Josh Beckett are in a three-way tie for 12th place. In Win Shares, they rank 55th, 56th, and 57th. I don’t expect to see THAT ever again.

One of the side effects of good consensus is that no pitchers make the top 15, because the consensus doesn’t leave any room for any. Usually, there are enough disconnects that the best pitcher in the game at least makes the 15; sometimes I have to force a pitcher from the other league onto the ballot, because people here want the best pitcher from each league, but I don’t think I’ve ever had a ballot with no pitchers on it. So, I forced Jake Peavy (9th in WAR, 40th in Win Shares; I don’t think that WAR has ever generated a list whose best pitcher was as low as 9th before) and C. C. Sabathia (16th and 33rd) on to the ballot, replacing Grady Sizemore and Robinson Cano.

OK, enough of that; here’s the list:

1. ARod
2. Albert Pujols
3. David Wright
4. Magglio Ordonez
5. Chase Utley
6. Curtis Granderson
7. Carlos Pena
8. Chipper Jones
9. Jimmy Rollins
10. David Ortiz
11. Troy Tulowitski
12. Ichiro
13. Matt Holliday
14. Jake Peavy
15. C. C. Sabathia
   6. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: September 02, 2017 at 11:32 PM (#5525495)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender
I would have posted a Preliminary ballot but the discussion thread would not allow me to post

1. Alex Rodriguez--easy choice for number 1
2. David Wright--a surprise choice for NL MMP. I ranked him above Pujols due to questioning 31 fielding runs being credited to a first baseman & over Utley due to the Phils keystoner missing more playing time.
3. Pujols
4. Utley
5. Magglio Ordonez
6. Carlos Pena
7. Granderson
8. Chipper Jones
9. David Ortiz
10.Rollins--lower OBP kept from higher ranking
11.Peavy--edges out CC & Webb in close race for top pitcher
12.Holliday
13.Sabathia
14.Posada--catcher bonus helps make top 15
15.Brandon Webb--injuries derailed possible HOF career
   7. ThickieDon Posted: September 03, 2017 at 08:24 PM (#5525687)
1. Alex Rodriguez - no contest
2. David Wright
3. Magglio Ordonez
4. Chipper Jones
5. David Ortiz - DH penalty canceled out by post-season play
6. Albert Pujols - a "down" year for him
7. Chase Utley
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Carlos Pena
10. Matt Holliday
11. Jimmy Rollins
12. Grady Sizemore
13. Jorge Posada
14. Josh Beckett - post-season bump
15. Ichiro Suzuki
   8. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: September 04, 2017 at 12:34 PM (#5525806)
2007 MMP ballot (peak-rate salary estimation divided by $1M in parentheses):

1. Alex Rodriguez (22.83)
2. Russell Martin (18.52) - NL MMP - boosted by exceptional BP framing numbers
3. Albert Pujols (17.95)
4. David Wright (17.30)
5. Chase Utley (14.88)
6. Chipper Jones (14.85)
7. Magglio Ordonez (14.65)
8. Carlos Pena (14.45)
9. David Ortiz (13.81)
10. Jake Peavy (13.49) - MMPitcher
11. Matt Holliday (13.12)
12. Curtis Granderson (11.46)
13. CC Sabathia (10.57) - AL MMPitcher
14. Jimmy Rollins (10.40)
15. Brandon Webb (10.36)

16-25. Brad Penny, Josh Beckett, Ichiro Suzuki, Troy Tulowitski, Alex Rios, Victor Martinez, Roy Oswalt, Robinson Cano, Aaron Harang, Grady Sizemore.
   9. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 05, 2017 at 05:26 PM (#5526487)
Official 2007 MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses):

1) Alex Rodriguez: Best ML player and AL third baseman.
2) David Wright: Best NL player and third baseman.
3) Hanley Ramirez: Best ML shortstop.
4) Magglio Ordonez: Best ML right fielder.
5) Chase Utley: Best ML second baseman.
6) Chipper Jones
7) Jorge Posada: Best ML catcher.
8) Curtis Ganderson: Best ML center fielder.
9) Carlos Pena: Best ML first baseman.
10) Albert Pujols: Best NL first baseman.
11) David Ortiz: Best DH.
12) Matt Holliday: Best ML left fidler.
13) Jimmy Rollins
14) Jake Peavy: Best ML pitcher.
15) CC Sabathia: Best AL pitcher.
   10. DL from MN Posted: September 06, 2017 at 10:18 AM (#5526966)
No ballots yet from toratoratora, Moeball, OCF, EricC
   11. DL from MN Posted: September 06, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5527426)
Voting is complete

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