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Most Meritorious Player: 2007 Discussion

The Red Sox defeated the Rockies in the World Series. Vote for 15.

Player Name		SH WS		rWAR
Alex Rodriguez		35.0		9.4
David Wright		34.7		8.3
Albert Pujols		32.4		8.7
Chase Utley		29.0		7.8
Curtis Granderson	29.6		7.6
Magglio Ordonez		31.5		7.3
Chipper Jones		26.7		7.6
Carlos Pena		28.7		7.2
Robinson Cano		22.6		6.7
Troy Tulowitzki		25.0		6.8
Jimmy Rollins		28.2		6.1
Jose Reyes		25.5		5.1
Matt Holliday		27.9		6.0
Ichiro Suzuki		29.7		5.8
Grady Sizemore		28.6		5.5
Carlos Beltran		25.6		5.4
Aaron Rowand		23.3		5.1
Alex Rios		24.2		5.6
Placido Polanco 	24.5		6.1
Aaron Hill		20.2		5.1
David Ortiz		27.0		6.4
Russell Martin		23.7		5.6
Jorge Posada		27.4		5.4
Victor Martinez		27.4		4.3
Joe Mauer		19.6		3.9
Kevin Youkilis		17.7		4.7
Mark Teixeira		22.6		4.6
Todd Helton		22.9		4.5
Aramis Ramirez		20.8		5.2
Mike Lowell		22.3		5.0
Ryan Zimmerman		21.5		4.6
Jason Bartlett		16.3		4.6
Hanley Ramirez		30.7		4.3
Orlando Cabrera		25.1		4.2
Melvin Upton		19.1		4.4
Barry Bonds		19.4		3.4
Hideki Matsui		18.5		4.1
Alfonso Soriano		22.1		4.3
Corey Hart		20.6		4.7
Vladimir Guerrero	27.3		4.6
Nick Markakis		20.5		4.2
Mark Ellis		21.3		4.8
Orlando Hudson		20.1		4.3
Derek Jeter		22.9		3.9
Brian Roberts		24.1		4.2
Ian Kinsler		17.3		4.1
Nick Swisher		18.9		4.3
Torii Hunter		20.4		3.9
Adrian Beltre		19.7		3.8
Jim Thome		19.9		3.6


Pitcher Name
Jake Peavy		20.7		6.9
Roy Oswalt		17.9		6.6
Brad Penny		18.3		6.6
Josh Beckett		17.8		6.6
CC Sabathia		22.2		6.4
John Lackey		21.1		6.3
Roberto Hernandez	21.0		6.2
Javier Vazquez		18.4		6.1
Mark Buehrle		16.6		6.1
Brandon Webb		22.9		5.9
Scott Kazmir		14.3		5.9
Erik Bedard		16.2		5.8
Aaron Harang		16.9		5.5
James Shields		13.5		5.5
Tim Hudson		16.1		5.3
Johan Santana		17.7		5.2
Kelvim Escobar		17.7		5.0
Chien-Ming Wang		14.9		5.0
Dan Haren		17.6		4.6
Justin Verlander	15.5		4.1
Curt Schilling		10.0		4.0
Matt Cain		12.9		4.3
John Smoltz		15.2		4.3
Jeff Francis		14.1		4.1
Cole Hamels		15.2		4.0
Carlos Zambrano		15.1		4.0
Ted Lilly		15.1		3.8
Daisuke Matsuzaka	11.9		4.0


Rafael Betancourt	15.7		4.3
J.J. Putz		20.0		4.1
Takashi Saito		16.3		3.5
Heath Bell		13.0		3.3
Joe Nathan		16.6		3.0
Jonathan Papelbon	14.0		3.1
Hikeki Okajima		11.1		3.0
Carlos Marmol		11.0		2.9
Manny Corpas		14.9		2.9

 

DL from MN Posted: August 03, 2017 at 06:10 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Chris Fluit Posted: August 04, 2017 at 11:59 AM (#5506534)
Jake Peavy 20.7 6.9
Roy Oswalt 17.9 6.6
Brad Penny 18.3 6.6
Josh Beckett 17.8 6.6
CC Sabathia 22.2 6.4
John Lackey 21.1 6.3
Roberto Hernandez 21.0 6.2
Javier Vazquez 18.4 6.1
Mark Buehrle 16.6 6.1
Brandon Webb 22.9 5.9
Scott Kazmir 14.3 5.9
Erik Bedard 16.2 5.8
Not a lot of separation between the top pitchers this year. Could be a tight race.
   2. DL from MN Posted: August 07, 2017 at 03:13 PM (#5508174)
2007 Prelim

1) Alex Rodriguez - Best bat, average glove at 3B. No contest this year.
2) David Wright - Well rounded player
3) Chase Utley - great glove
4) Albert Pujols - good glove season at 1B, great bat
5) Chipper Jones - best bat in NL
6) Curtis Granderson
7) Troy Tulowitzki
8) Magglio Ordonez
9) Jorge Posada - huge hitting season
10) Russell Martin
11) Jimmy Rollins
12) Roy Oswalt - best pitcher
13) Robinson Cano - slick fielding
14) Jake Peavy - great bat for a pitcher
15) Josh Beckett - best AL pitcher

16-20) Carlos Pena, Placido Polanco, Brad Penny, Brandon Webb, CC Sabathia
21-26) John Lackey, Roberto Hernandez, Mark Buehrle, Javier Vazquez, Ichiro Suzuki, David Ortiz
   3. DL from MN Posted: August 08, 2017 at 01:57 PM (#5509027)
Thought it would be interesting to post leaderboards in MMP ballots by position:

RHP: Roger Clemens 13
LHP: Randy Johnson 10
C: Gary Carter, Yogi Berra 9
1B: Frank Thomas, Mark McGwire 8
2B: Napoleon Lajoie 9
3B: Mike Schmidt 13
SS: Honus Wagner 11
LF: Barry Bonds 17
CF: Willie Mays 16
RF: Henry Aaron 16
DH: Edgar Martinez 7
   4. Chris Fluit Posted: August 08, 2017 at 04:17 PM (#5509193)
That is cool. Thanks.
   5. Chris Fluit Posted: August 08, 2017 at 04:20 PM (#5509195)
How close is Pujols to catching Thomas/McGwire? I have to think that both Pujols and Gehrig will eventually pass them by.

Lajoie is the other endangered leader. I'd guess that Hornsby ends up the frontrunner- though Eddie Collins might take the crown for a time, depending on the order of votes.
   6. bjhanke Posted: August 09, 2017 at 06:42 AM (#5509456)
Here’s Brock Hanke’s ballot for 2007. This is the final ballot, as I’m going to be out of town for almost all of the second half of August. Please treat this as my final ballot.

It was a surprise. There was a lot of consensus between WAR and Win Shares, much more than normal. But, yes, there were a couple of severe disconnects. Win Shares has Hanley Ramirez ranked 5th; WAR has him 54th. That’s a disconnect. There’s a trio of disconnects going the other way, right next to each other, that are truly bizarre. In WAR, Brad Penny, Roy Oswalt, and Josh Beckett are in a three-way tie for 12th place. In Win Shares, they rank 55th, 56th, and 57th. I don’t expect to see THAT ever again.

One of the side effects of good consensus is that no pitchers make the top 15, because the consensus doesn’t leave any room for any. Usually, there are enough disconnects that the best pitcher in the game at least makes the 15; sometimes I have to force a pitcher from the other league onto the ballot, because people here want the best pitcher from each league, but I don’t think I’ve ever had a ballot with no pitchers on it. So, I forced Jake Peavy (9th in WAR, 40th in Win Shares; I don’t think that WAR has ever generated a list whose best pitcher was as low as 9th before) and C. C. Sabathia (16th and 33rd) on to the ballot, replacing Grady Sizemore and Robinson Cano.

OK, enough of that; here’s the list:

1. ARod
2. Albert Pujols
3. David Wright
4. Magglio Ordonez
5. Chase Utley
6. Curtis Granderson
7. Carlos Pena
8. Chipper Jones
9. Jimmy Rollins
10. David Ortiz
11. Troy Tulowitski
12. Ichiro
13. Matt Holliday
14. Jake Peavy
15. C. C. Sabathia
   7. DL from MN Posted: August 09, 2017 at 10:54 AM (#5509602)
Pujols will certainly tie for the lead in 2007 with his 8th appearance
   8. DL from MN Posted: August 09, 2017 at 10:56 AM (#5509608)
Brock - I wouldn't force pitchers onto the ballot just to put them there. I don't trust a system that says 40+ players are more valuable than having the best pitcher in the league but this was not an impressive year for pitching.
   9. bjhanke Posted: August 10, 2017 at 10:20 AM (#5510407)
DL - I generally would not, either. But the reason that almost no pitchers ever end up on the ballot at first calculation, is because I'm ranking Win Shares as important as WAR, when there are many versions of WAR out there, and their developers share info. Win Shares has almost nobody who has worked on it in the last 15 years. So, on the precise subject of pitchers, I'm willing to force, to counter what might be a Win Shares bias. I, personally, agree with Win Shares on this, but I haven't invented any pitcher ranking stats at all. - Brock Hanke
   10. MrC. Posted: August 14, 2017 at 08:03 PM (#5513171)
2007 Preliminary

WAR framework using value added runs; using DRA fielding numbrers; reduced replacement runs (WARR) and post season adjustmeet using Baseball Gauge's world series WPA.(adj+ or adj-)

1. Alex Rodriguez 8.46 WARR Best ML hitter.
2. Matt Holliday 7.34 WARR adj+ NL best hitter and +28.5 fielding runs. Post season adjustment moved him ahead of Pujols.
3. Albert Pujols 7.29 WARR
4. Curtis Granderson 6.71 WARR Above average hiter; +26 fielding runs.
5. David Wright 6.63 WARR
6. Jake Peavy 6.31 WARR Best ML pitcher; above average hitter.
7. Chipper Jones 6.21 WARR
8. Magglio Ordonez 6.18 WARR
9. Troy Tulowitzki 6.18 WARR adj-
10. Brad Penny 5.95 WARR Outstanding hitting separates him from the rest of the other pitchers.
11. C.C. Sabathia 5.84 WARR adj - best AL pitcher
12. Carlos Pena 5.80 WARR
13. Chase Utley 5.71 WARR
14. Ichiro Suzuki 5.61 WARR
15. David Ortiz 5.54 WARR

Rest of the top 20: A whole bunch of pitchers
16. John Lackey
17. Roberto Hernadez
18. Josh beckett
19. Tim Hudson
20. Scott Kazmir

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   11. DL from MN Posted: August 17, 2017 at 01:50 PM (#5515462)
NLDS Rockies 3 Phillies 0

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Todd Helton 3 12 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 2 .083 .154 .250 .404 0 0 0
Matt Holliday 3 13 2 3 0 0 2 3 0 3 .231 .231 .692 .923 0 0 0
Troy Tulowitzki 3 12 1 2 1 0 1 2 1 5 .167 .231 .500 .731 0 1 0

Jimmy Rollins 3 11 1 2 0 1 1 4 2 3 .182 .308 .636 .944 1 0 0
Aaron Rowand 3 12 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 4 .083 .083 .333 .417 0 0 0
Chase Utley 3 11 0 2 0 0 0 0 2 5 .182 .308 .182 .490 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Manny Corpas 3 0 0.00 0 0 3 0 3.1 2 0 0 0 3 0.600
Jeff Francis 1 1 3.00 1 0 0 0 6.0 4 2 2 2 8 1.000

Cole Hamels 1 1 4.05 0 1 0 0 6.2 3 3 3 4 7 1.050
   12. DL from MN Posted: August 17, 2017 at 03:11 PM (#5515552)
NLDS Diamondbacks 3 Cubs 0

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Aramis Ramirez 3 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5 .000 .077 .000 .077 0 0 0
Alfonso Soriano 3 14 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 4 .143 .200 .143 .343 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Brandon Webb 1 1 1.29 1 0 0 0 7.0 4 1 1 3 9 1.000

Ted Lilly 1 1 16.20 0 1 0 0 3.1 7 6 6 4 4 3.300
Carlos Marmol 2 0 9.00 0 1 0 0 3.0 3 3 3 3 6 2.000
Carlos Zambrano 1 1 1.50 0 0 0 0 6.0 4 1 1 1 8 0.833
   13. DL from MN Posted: August 17, 2017 at 05:15 PM (#5515709)
ALDS Red Sox 3 Angels 0

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Mike Lowell 3 9 1 3 2 0 0 3 1 0 .333 .364 .556 .919 0 0 1 
David Ortiz 3 7 5 5 0 0 2 3 6 1 .714 .846 1.571 2.418 0 0 
Kevin Youkilis 3 12 3 3 1 0 1 2 1 4 .250 .286 .583 .869 0 0 0

Orlando Cabrera 3 12 0 3 1 0 0 1 1 1 .250 .308 .333 .641 0 0 0
Vlad Guerrero 3 10 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .200 .333 .200 .533 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Josh Beckett 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 1 9.0 4 0 0 0 8 0.444
Daisuke Matsuzaka 1 1 5.79 0 0 0 0 4.2 7 3 3 3 3 2.143
Hideki Okajima 2 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 2.1 1 0 0 1 2 0.857
Jonathan Papelbon 1 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 1.1 0 0 0 2 1 1.500
Curt Schilling 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 0 7.0 6 0 0 1 4 1.000

Kelvim Escobar 1 1 5.40 0 0 0 0 5.0 4 3 3 5 5 1.800
John Lackey 1 1 6.00 0 1 0 0 6.0 9 4 4 2 4 1.833
   14. DL from MN Posted: August 17, 2017 at 05:35 PM (#5515725)
ALDS Cleveland 3 Yankees 1

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Victor Martinez 4 17 2 6 1 0 1 4 1 3 .353 .421 .588 1.009 0 0 0
Grady Sizemore 4 16 3 6 0 1 1 1 4 4 .375 .524 .688 1.211 1 1 0

Robinson Cano 4 15 3 5 1 0 2 3 1 1 .333 .375 .800 1.175 0 1 1
Derek Jeter 4 17 0 3 0 0 0 1 0 4 .176 .176 .176 .353 0 0 0 
Hideki Matsui 4 11 4 2 0 0 0 0 5 2 .182 .438 .182 .619 0 0 
Jorge Posada 4 15 1 2 1 0 0 0 2 3 .133 .235 .200 .435 0 0 0
Alex Rodriguez 4 15 2 4 0 0 1 1 2 6 .267 .353 .467 .820 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Rafael Betancourt 2 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 2.0 1 0 0 0 3 0.500
Roberto Hernandez 1 1 1.00 0 0 0 0 9.0 3 1 1 2 5 0.556
C.C. Sabathia 1 1 5.40 1 0 0 0 5.0 4 3 3 6 5 2.000

Chien-Ming Wang 2 2 19.06 0 2 0 0 5.2 14 12 12 4 2 3.176
   15. DL from MN Posted: August 18, 2017 at 10:44 AM (#5516065)
NLCS Rockies 4 Diamondbacks 0

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Todd Helton 4 14 3 3 0 0 0 1 2 4 .214 .294 .214 .508 0 0 0
Matt Holliday 4 15 3 5 0 0 2 4 1 6 .333 .412 .733 1.145 0 0 0
Troy Tulowitzki 4 16 1 3 0 0 0 0 1 5 .188 .235 .188 .423 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Manny Corpas 4 0 1.69 1 0 2 0 5.1 3 1 1 0 3 0.563
Jeff Francis 1 1 1.35 1 0 0 0 6.2 7 1 1 1 4 1.200

Brandon Webb 1 1 6.00 0 1 0 0 6.0 7 4 4 2 4 1.500
   16. DL from MN Posted: August 18, 2017 at 10:58 AM (#5516069)
ALCS Red Sox 4 Cleveland 3
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Mike Lowell 7 27 3 9 2 0 1 8 2 3 .333 .375 .519 .894 0 0 0
David Ortiz 7 24 7 7 3 0 1 3 6 5 .292 .424 .542 .966 0 0 
Kevin Youkilis 7 28 10 14 1 1 3 7 5 3 .500 .576 .929 1.504 0 0 1

Victor Martinez 7 27 4 8 1 0 1 3 3 5 .296 .367 .444 .811 0 0 0
Grady Sizemore 7 27 6 6 2 0 1 2 4 5 .222 .313 .407 .720 1 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Josh Beckett 2 2 1.93 2 0 0 0 14.0 9 3 3 1 18 0.714
Daisuke Matsuzaka 2 2 5.59 1 1 0 0 9.2 12 6 6 2 9 1.448
Hideki Okajima 3 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 5.0 4 0 0 2 3 1.200
Jonathan Papelbon 3 0 0.00 0 0 1 0 5.0 3 0 0 2 3 1.000
Curt Schilling 2 2 5.40 1 0 0 0 11.2 15 7 7 0 8 1.286

Rafael Betancourt 5 0 6.75 0 0 0 0 8.0 6 7 6 1 6 0.875
Roberto Hernandez 2 2 16.50 0 1 0 0 6.0 10 11 11 9 7 3.167
C.C. Sabathia 2 2 10.45 0 2 0 0 10.1 17 12 12 7 9 2.323
   17. DL from MN Posted: August 18, 2017 at 11:06 AM (#5516073)
World Series Red Sox 4 Rockies 0
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Mike Lowell 4 15 6 6 3 0 1 4 3 1 .400 .500 .800 1.300 1 0 1
David Ortiz 4 15 4 5 3 0 0 4 2 3 .333 .412 .533 .945 0 0 0
Kevin Youkilis 4 9 3 2 2 0 0 1 3 1 .222 .417 .444 .861 0 0 0

Todd Helton 4 15 2 5 2 0 0 1 2 3 .333 .412 .467 .878 0 0 0
Matt Holliday 4 17 1 5 0 0 1 3 0 3 .294 .294 .471 .765 0 0 0
Troy Tulowitzki 4 13 1 3 2 0 0 1 2 5 .231 .333 .385 .718 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Josh Beckett 1 1 1.29 1 0 0 0 7.0 6 1 1 1 9 1.000 
Daisuke Matsuzaka 1 1 3.38 1 0 0 0 5.1 3 2 2 3 5 1.125
Hideki Okajima 3 0 7.36 0 0 0 0 3.2 4 3 3 0 6 1.091
Jonathan Papelbon 3 0 0.00 0 0 3 0 4.1 2 0 0 0 3 0.462 
Curt Schilling 1 1 1.69 1 0 0 0 5.1 4 1 1 2 4 1.125

Manny Corpas 2 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 1.2 1 0 0 0 1 0.600
Jeff Francis 1 1 13.50 0 1 0 0 4.0 10 6 6 3 3 3.250
   18. DL from MN Posted: August 18, 2017 at 11:15 AM (#5516080)
Josh Beckett will get a 15% bonus for the postseason (30 extra terrific innings) which makes him my top pitcher of 2007
   19. Chris Fluit Posted: August 20, 2017 at 12:08 PM (#5517254)
2007 Prelim

1. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, New York Yankees: leads the majors in OPS+ and RC with 176 and 166
2. Chase Utley, 2B, Philadelphia Phillies: top National Leaguer thanks to all-around play (+3 baserunning and +18 defense to go with top ten OPS+)
3. David Wright, 3B, New York Mets: almost identical to Utley with slightly better bat and slightly worse baserunning
4. David Ortiz, DH, Boston Red Sox: 171 OPS+ and 156 RC
5. Albert Pujols, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: Does this count as a down year for The Machine?
6. Chipper Jones, 3B, Atlanta Braves: leads the NL in OPS+ with 165 but defense pales next to Utley, Wright and Pujols
7. Magglio Ordonez, RF, Detroit Tigers: 166 OPS+ and 152 RC
8. Jorge Posada, C, New York Yankees: career year with 153 OPS+
9. Brandon Webb, P, Arizona Diamondbacks: doesn't get the publicity of Santana but another great pitcher whose career ended abruptly due to injury: 158 ERA+ in 236 IP
10. Carlos Pena, 1B, Tampa Bay Rays: 172 OPS+ but only 135 RC
11. Jake Peavy, P, San Diego Padres: ties Webb for ERA+ with 158 but trails in IP with 223
12. Hanley Ramirez, SS, Florida Marlins: great bat (145 OPS+), awful glove (-28 fielding)
13. Matt Holliday, LF, Colorado Rockies: 150 OPS+ and 151 RC
14. Jimmy Rollins, SS, Philadelphia Phillies: another well-rounded Phillie with +5 fielding and 119 OPS+
15. CC Sabathia, P, Cleveland Indians: sneaks onto the ballot as the top AL pitcher thanks to 141 ERA+ in 241 IP

16. John Lackey, P, Los Angeles Angels: leads AL in ERA+ with 150 but trails Sabathia by 17 IP
17. Curtis Granderson, CF, Detroit Tigers: top ten OPS+ (135) and +14 defense
18. Russell Martin, C, Los Angeles Dodgers: +18 defense from behind the dish and 116 OPS+ from the batter's box
19. Roberto Hernandez, P, Cleveland Indians: whodathunkit?
20. Prince Fielder, 1B, Milwaukee Brewers: 2nd in NL OPS+ with 157 but brutal -15 fielding
21. Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Colorado Rockies
22. Miguel Cabrera, 3B, Florida Marlins
23. Dan Haren, P, Oakland Athletics
24. Brad Penny, P, Los Angeles Dodgers
25. Roy Oswalt, P, Houston Astros
   20. Chris Fluit Posted: August 31, 2017 at 09:11 AM (#5523908)
test
   21. ThickieDon Posted: September 03, 2017 at 08:23 PM (#5525686)
Sorry so late with this, was away on business.

1. Alex Rodriguez - no contest
2. David Wright
3. Magglio Ordonez
4. Chipper Jones
5. David Ortiz - DH penalty canceled out by post-season play
6. Albert Pujols - a "down" year for him
7. Chase Utley
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Carlos Pena
10. Matt Holliday
11. Jimmy Rollins
12. Grady Sizemore
13. Jorge Posada
14. Josh Beckett - post-season bump
15. Ichiro Suzuki
   22. Chris Fluit Posted: September 04, 2017 at 01:13 PM (#5525820)
The overall MMP is a foregone conclusion this year but a real battle is shaping up for the NL MMP. Taking a look at the ballots submitted so far, five players have received the top slot for the NL: Wright, Holliday, Utley, Pujols, and now Martin.
   23. DL from MN Posted: September 05, 2017 at 10:52 AM (#5526153)
Problem is most of those players have also been left off a ballot entirely. Pujols, Utley, Holliday all left off a ballot. Martin was left off 6 ballots. Caiman's formula is hitter friendly so I'm not sure how he got Pujols at 16th behind guys like Jack Cust, Prince Fielder and Barry Bonds.

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