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Wednesday, September 27, 2017

Most Meritorious Player: 2008 Ballot

For 2008 each voter should rank the top 15 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 4 October 2017.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 3 October 2017.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: September 27, 2017 at 02:57 PM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: September 27, 2017 at 03:07 PM (#5540309)
2008 Ballot

1) Chase Utley - small postseason credit but he didn't need it
2) Albert Pujols - best bat 2008
3) Tim Lincecum - best pitcher
4) Chipper Jones - great bat & good glove this season
5) Joe Mauer - best AL player, best C
6) Hanley Ramirez - very nice bat for a SS, adequate glove
7) Johan Santana - good season
8) Dustin Pedroia - small postseason bonus
9) Ryan Dempster
10) Brian McCann - C bonus
11) Mark Teixeira - split season, small postseason bonus, 2nd best bat
12) CC Sabathia - another season split between leagues
13) David Wright
14) Alex Rodriguez
15) Carlos Beltran

16-20) Cliff Lee, Jon Lester, John Danks, Nick Markakis, Dan Haren
21-26) Rich Harden, Kevin Youkilis, Jimmy Rollins, Grady Sizemore, Roy Halladay, Lance Berkman
   2. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 27, 2017 at 06:47 PM (#5540455)
Official 2008 MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses):

1) Albert Pujols: Best ML player and first baseman.
2) Hanley Ramirez: Best ML shortstop.
3) Joe Mauer: Best AL player and ML catcher.
4) Chipper Jones: Best ML third baseman.
5) Chase Utley: Best ML second baseman.
6) Lance Berkman
7) Mark Teixeira
8) Cliff Lee: Best ML pitcher.
9) David Wright
10) Tim Lincecum: Best NL pitcher.
11) Manny Ramirez: Best ML left fielder.
12) Carlos Beltran: Best ML center fielder.
13) Alex Rodriguez: Best AL third baseman.
14) Roy Halliday
15) CC Sabathia
   3. Chris Fluit Posted: September 27, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5540587)
2008 Ballot

1. Albert Pujols, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: easy number one; leads NL in OPS+ and RC while providing +18 defense
2. Chipper Jones, 3B, Atlanta Braves: 2nd in NL OPS+ and +10 fielding from the old guy
3. Chase Utley, 2B, Philadelphia Phillies: top ten in both OPS+ and RC with an amazing +31 fielding
4. Johan Santana, P, New York Mets: reclaims the mantle as the best pitcher in baseball
5. Tim Lincecum, P, San Francisco Giants: Timmy!
6. Cliff Lee, P, Cleveland Indians: leads the AL with a 167 ERA+
7. Roy Halladay, P, Toronto Blue Jays: great year for pitchers
8. Dustin Pedroia, 2B, Boston Red Sox: best position player in the AL
9. Manny Ramirez, LF, Boston/Los Angeles: huge 2nd half propels Manny onto the ballot
10. Hanley Ramirez, SS, Florida Marlins: a big bat (143 OPS+) while holding his own with the glove (-3 fielding)
11. Mariano Rivera, RP, New York Yankees: 2nd in WPA thanks to a 316 ERA+ in 70 IP
12. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, New York Yankees: 2nd in AL OPS+ with 150
13. Mark Teixeira, 1B, Los Angeles/Atlanta: 152 OPS+ and 134 RC between the two teams
14. Lance Berkman, 1B, Houston Astros: 3rd in NL OPS+ with 160
15. Nick Markakis, RF, Baltimore Orioles: +22 fielding and 136 OPS+

16. Kevin Youkilis, 1B/3B, Boston Red Sox- Youk and Wright get knocked off the ballot by Manny and Tex
17. David Wright, 3B, New York Mets
18. Joe Mauer, C, Minnesota Twins
19. Grady Sizemore, CF, Cleveland Indians
20. Cole Hamels, P, Philadelphia Phillies
   4. DL from MN Posted: September 29, 2017 at 09:49 AM (#5541488)
If someone else can post a reminder to the Yahoo group I would appreciate it. I am having issues.
   5. caiman Posted: September 30, 2017 at 12:29 PM (#5542045)
Here' my RPA rated performers, based upon runs above the median player:

1. Hanley Ramirez 51.83 runs
2. Albert Pujols 51.48 runs
3. Manny Ramirez 42.51 runs
4. Grady Sizemore 42.15 runs
5. Chipper Jones 41.11 runs
6. Matt Holliday 40.79 runs
7. Lance Berkman 36.55 runs
8. Chase Utley 35.41 runs
9. Mark Teixeira 35.21 runs
10. David Wright 34.07 runs
11. Ryan Ludwick 33.36 runs
12. Kevin Youkilis 31.86 runs
13. Carlos Beltran 30.86 runs
14. Jayson Werth 29.88 runs
15. Alex Rodriguez 29.87 runs
16. Randy Winn 29.38 runs
17. Nick Markakis 29.10 runs
18 Roy Halladay 28.43 runs
   6. MrC. Posted: October 02, 2017 at 11:14 AM (#5542708)
2008 final ballot

Evaluated by WARR with post season adj (adj+ or adj-)

1. Manny Ramirez 7.84 WARR Adj+
2. Albert Pujols 7.46 WARR
3. Tim Lincecum 7.35 WARR
4. Cole Hamels 6.98 WARR Adj +
5. Cliff Lee 6.82 WARR best
6. CC Sabathia 6.73 WARR
7. Johan Santana 6.64 WARR
8. Joe Mauer 6.63 WARR
9. Mark Teixeira 6.59 WARR
10. Lance Berkman 6.55 WARR
11. Chase Utley 6.19 WARR Adj +
12. Ryan Ludwick 6.14 WARR
13. David Wright 6.12 WARR
14. Hanley Ramirez 6.11 WARR
15. Alex Rodriguez 5.92 WARR

Rest of the top 20
16. Chipper Jones
17. Roy Halladay
18. Matt Holliday
19. Dan Haren
20. Carlos Beltran
   7. ThickieDon Posted: October 02, 2017 at 01:12 PM (#5542842)
1. Albert Pujols - best offensive contribution by far
2. Chase Utley - great overall, solid post-season
3. Chipper Jones - .364/.470/.574
4. Mark Teixeira
5. Lance Berkman
6. Hanley Ramirez
7. Carlos Beltran
8. Manny Ramirez
9. David Wright
10. Tim Lincecum
11. Alex Rodriguez - great offensive year marred by struggles at 3B
12. CC Sabathia
13. Grady Sizemore
14. Nick Markakis
15. Dustin Pedroia

Other mentions:
- Cole Hamels - solid season + post-season bump
- Kevin Youkilis, Ryan Ludwick, Milton Bradley, Carlos Quention, Matt Holliday - great offensive numbers, just missed top 15
- Shin-Soo Choo - amazing offensive season; only 400 PAs
- Joe Mauer
- Jason Bay
- Johan Santana
   8. bjhanke Posted: October 03, 2017 at 02:13 PM (#5543538)
Here’s Brock Hanke’s ballot for 2008. The normal assortment of disconects between WAR and Win Shares continues to grow (the most interesting part of this whole project, to me, has been seeing how the relationship between the two systems develops, and where the greatest disconnects are – pitcher rankings are, by far, #1, have been for “decades”, and keep getting wider and wider as we pass through time). I don’t have anything else to actually say, except that this ballot is strictly a reflection of the sum of the ordinals in WAR and Win Shares. The postseason might have raised Manny Ramirez above C. C. Sabathia, but I’m not eager to drop pitchers any more than my rankings already do, and the regluar-season gap between the two is significant. So, without further ado:

1. Albert Pujols
2. Mark Texeira
3. Chase Utley
4. Lance Berkman
5. Chipper Jones
6. Carlos Beltran
7. David Wright
8. Hanley Ramirez
9. Tim Lincecum
10. Dustin Pedroia
11. ARod
12. Nick Markakis
13. C. C. Sabathia
14. Manny Ramirez
15. Grady Sizemore
   9. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: October 03, 2017 at 03:12 PM (#5543590)
2008 MMP Ballot:

1. Albert Pujols (23.60)
2. Brian McCann (17.90) - major boost from BP framing numbers
3. Chase Utley (15.66)
4. Lance Berkman (15.30)
5. Chipper Jones (14.37)
6. Russell Martin (13.34) - also outstanding framing numbers
7. Mark Teixeira (13.25) - best player who played at least part of the year in the AL, but not AL MMP
8. Tim Lincecum (13.05) - MMPitcher
9. Hanley Ramirez (12.72)
10. CC Sabathia (12.15) - best pitcher who pitched at least part of the year in the AL, but not AL MMPitcher
11. Joe Mauer (11.85) - AL MMP
12. Cliff Lee (11.73) - AL MMPitcher
13. David Wright (11.65)
14. Alex Rodriguez (11.65)
15. Manny Ramirez (10.98)

16-25. Carlos Beltran, Nick Markakis, Kevin Youkilis, Dustin Pedroia, Matt Holliday, Grady Sizemore, Roy Halladay, Johan Santana, Dan Haren, Ryan Dempster.
   10. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: October 04, 2017 at 02:37 AM (#5544127)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender:

1. Pujols--best player in the game
2. Utley--top two then a gap to #3
3. Teixeira--having great year split across two leagues makes you forget how excellent it was
4. Beltran--all around great player
5. Lincecum--top pitcher & a ton of strikeouts
6. Cliff Lee
7. Chipper Jones--would be top 3 if not for missed games
8. Markakis--great start to career but by this point he peaked
9. Wright--finding out how easy to forget how good he was
10.Sabathia--like Tex, great year split across leagues but CC was particularly good in NL & helped Brewers make postseason
11.Halladay--along with CC, complete game workhorses
12.Manny Ramirez--see Tex & CC, amazing after trade
13.Pedroia
14.A Rod
15.Berkman

Just missed--Mauer & McCann
   11. DL from MN Posted: October 04, 2017 at 04:48 PM (#5544554)
No ballot from Michael Binkley but time's up. Balloting is closed.

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