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Most Meritorious Player: 2010 Discussion

Giants beat the Rangers 4 games to 1 in the World Series. Vote for 15.

Player Name		SH WS		bWAR
Josh Hamilton		30.2		8.7
Evan Longoria		32.8		8.1
Robinson Cano		35.3		8.1
Adrian Beltre		25.0		7.8
Albert Pujols		32.9		7.5
Brett Gardner		18.7		7.4
Carl Crawford		30.7		7.0
Jose Bautista		32.5		7.0
Joey Votto		30.9		6.9
Troy Tulowitzki		24.9		6.7
Miguel Cabrera		29.9		6.5
Jason Heyward		22.5		6.4
Ryan Zimmerman		22.4		6.2
Carlos Gonzalez		24.9		5.9
Matt Holliday		28.2		5.9
Shin-Soo Choo		26.4		5.9
Joe Mauer		25.5		5.9
Chase Utley		23.0		5.8
Ryan Braun		23.8		5.7
Aubrey Huff		29.0		5.7
Alexei Ramirez		21.5		5.6
Daric Barton		21.4		5.5
Michael Bourn		17.7		5.5
Chris Young		19.4		5.4
Kevin Youkilis		19.3		5.4
Andres Torres		22.4		5.3
Angel Pagan		20.7		5.3
Alex Gonzalez		18.6		5.1
Austin Jackson		18.1		5.1
Martin Prado		24.2		5.0
Justin Morneau		19.9		4.7
Paul Konerko		29.7		4.7
Jay Bruce		19.1		4.7
Ben Zobrist		18.9		4.6
Jayson Werth		28.6		4.5
Cliff Pennington	18.2		4.5
Curtis Granderson	17.5		4.4
Adrian Gonzalez		32.8		4.3
Dan Uggla		26.2		4.3
Kelly Johnson		22.4		4.2
Rafael Furcal		19.3		4.2
Alex Rodriguez		22.0		4.1
Scott Rolen		20.1		4.1
Mark Teixeira		23.5		4.1
Nelson Cruz		19.5		4.1
Carlos Ruiz		18.5		4.0
Buster Posey		19.2		3.9
Rickie Weeks		27.2		3.5
Andrew McCutchen	26.5		3.8
Prince Fielder		26.4		1.5
David Wright		25.7		2.8
Hanley Ramirez		23.9		2.8
Brian McCann		19.9		3.6


Pitcher Name
Roy Halladay		24.8		8.1
Ubaldo Jimenez		22.3		7.4
Felix Hernandez		23.6		7.1
Josh Johnson		16.8		6.8
Adam Wainwright		20.4		6.6
Tim Hudson		19.3		6.0
Clay Buchholz		18.2		5.7
Roy Oswalt		18.8		5.6
Jered Weaver		18.7		5.5
John Danks		16.0		5.4
Cole Hamels		16.1		5.4
Jon Lester		17.5		5.2
Clayton Kershaw		15.2		5.1
Johan Santana		15.2		4.9
Brett Myers		18.6		4.8
David Price		17.2		4.8
Cliff Lee		16.6		4.8
Jeremy Guthrie		15.0		4.7
CC Sabathia		18.8		4.7
Francisco Liriano	13.9		4.4
Dan Haren		15.8		4.4
CJ Wilson		15.8		4.4
Matt Cain		14.9		4.3
Justin Verlander	17.8		4.3
Carl Pavano		16.0		4.2
RA Dickey		13.9		4.2
Shaun Marcum		13.8		4.0
Trevor Cahill		16.5		4.0
Mark Buehrle		12.3		4.0
Gio Gonzalez		15.3		4.0

Joakim Soria		14.8		3.7
Hung-Chih Kuo		13.7		3.2
Daniel Bard		11.2		3.2
Brian Wilson		15.4		2.9
Carlos Marmol		14.5		2.9
Billy Wagner		16.9		2.5
Neftali Feliz		14.9		2.3
Heath Bell		14.7		1.9

 

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   1. DL from MN Posted: December 08, 2017 at 11:35 AM (#5588742)
Two modern era ballots, then set the time machine for the 1940s
   2. Carl Goetz Posted: December 08, 2017 at 01:31 PM (#5588842)
Ok, I'll take a first crack at it. Using Baseball gauge with Baseruns for Offense, DRS for defense, split between FIP and Runs for Pitching. Also, generally like guys with both offensive and defensive value (one doesn't have to be that much if a player is dominant at the other) and generally like big producers at premium positions.

1) Evan Longoria (8.4) - DRS loves the glove and he was quite good with the bat.
2) Robinson Cano (7.8) - Big bat at 2B and the glove is decent by DRS accounting. Am considering for 1st as I don't believe the WAR difference is conclusive.
3) Adrian Beltre (7.3) - Nice year at 3B.
4) Roy Halladay (6.7) - Best Pitcher.
5) Josh Hamilton (7.3) - Rates ahead of Pujols for defense and playing 1/3 of his OF time in CF as opposed to Pujols as just 1B. Very close though.
6) Albert Pujols (7.3) - Rates ahead of Joey Bats for defensive reasons.
7) Felix Hernandex (6.5) - Very close to Halladay. WAR not conclusive here.
8) Jose Bautista (7.0) - Best pure hitter in 2010.
9) Troy Tulowitski (6.3) - Best SS, but WAR is enough behind Hamilton, Pujols, and Bautista that I can't rank him ahead of them.
10) Brett Gardner (6.7) - Nice mix of offense and defensive. His best season by a good margin IMO.
11) Carl Crawford (6.4) - Best offensive and overall season of his career.
12) Josh Johnson (6.1) - Forgot how good this guy was. Great ERA and FIP numbers.
13) Joey Votto (6.5) - Nice offensive season.
14) Ubaldo Jimenez (6.0) - Nice ERA and FIP considering his home park. My pick for his best season, though 2008 was quite good too.
15) Adam Wainwright (5.9) - Great ERA and Win numbers. FIP likes him but just not that into him.

Next up (and still considering for back end of ballot): Joe Mauer (5.1), Miguel Cabrera (6.0), Matt Holliday (5.9), Shin-Soo Choo (5.7), Alex Gonzalez (5.8), Cliff Lee (5.8), Ryan Zimmerman (6.0)

Biggest consideration is going to Cliff Lee as he is by far the best pitcher based on 100% FIP WAR.

Honorable mention to the cloud of CFs around 5 WAR (Andres Torres, Angel Pagan, Michael Bourn, Chris Young, Austin Jackson, and Curtis Granderson). It was actual a pretty good year overall for the CF position, but none were great enough to merit MMP consideration.


   3. DL from MN Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:55 PM (#5592024)
2010 Prelim

1) Josh Hamilton - Strong all-around production
2) Roy Halladay - top pitcher, lots of innings
3) Evan Longoria - Another strong all-around year
4) Robinson Cano - Same here
5) Adrian Beltre - Ditto, top performers were not one-dimensional players
6) Ubaldo Jimenez
7) Josh Johnson - Best rate stats
8) Brett Gardner - this is all glove
9) Albert Pujols - within 2 Rbat of the lead
10) Joe Mauer - C bonus
11) Troy Tulowitzki
12) Felix Hernandez - best AL pitcher
13) Jose Bautista
14) Joey Votto - best bat
15) Carl Crawford

16-20) Adam Wainwright, Ryan Zimmerman, Jason Heyward, Chase Utley, Miguel Cabrera
21-25) Tim Hudson, Carlos Gonzalez, Roy Oswalt, Clay Buchholz, Alexei Ramirez
   4. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:06 PM (#5592031)
Can someone please state the rules for a first time voter. Main questions:

1) Can we consider PED use to discount performance?
2) Can we consider marginal impact on team's pennant chances?
   5. DL from MN Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:35 PM (#5592055)
Regarding #1 - if the player tests positive for PEDs they will usually be suspended for a half season or more. Otherwise you need to be omniscient to determine who took and who didn't for the entire league.

2 - I don't really understand the question

Here are the rules:

Candidate Eligibility: Any North American professional baseball player is eligible for the Most Meritorious Player (MMP) award including players on independent teams. Voters should consider the player’s on-field contribution to Major League Baseball (MLB) team(s) in that season only. If part of the season was spent outside MLB, that value may be considered as well. However, the player’s on-field contribution should be judged in relation to the highest level major league, not relative to a minor league. A season may include playoff or World Series games but does not include spring training or exhibition games. No credit will be given for games not played due to injury, wartime service or contract holdouts.

Ballot Length: For 2010, each voter should rank 15 players.

Voter eligibility: All voters who did not vote in the previous year’s election must post a preliminary ballot in the ballot discussion thread at least 2 days before voting ends. All voters must fill out a complete ballot. Voters must briefly explain their ballot choices. One person, one vote; anyone determined to have voted with multiple accounts will be banned and their votes will be disallowed. The MMP ballot committee has authority to exclude any ballot that does not meet these requirements.

Scoring: Points will be given in descending order with the highest-ranked player receiving 15 points, the second highest 14 points, and so on until the last player on the ballot receives 1 point. The player with the highest point total will be named the Most Meritorious Player. In case of a tie, the tiebreaker will be number of 1st place votes. If the first tiebreaker does not determine a winner the players will share the title of Most Meritorious Player.
   6. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:06 PM (#5592078)
With regards to #2, basically my question was whether we can weight contributions to teams in contention more heavily on teams that were hopelessly out of contention (i.e., a win curve argument). That is, wasn't sure if that was the difference between "Most Valuable" and "Most Meritorious." For example, rate Jimenez ahead of Votto because even though the former has more WAR, the latter played for a first place team.

Based on my reading of the rules you posted, it seems to me that context can be taken into consideration. What about contracts? Is $/WAR something that we can consider given that there's an opportunity cost associated with higher salary?
   7. DL from MN Posted: December 13, 2017 at 06:36 PM (#5592144)
Voters should consider the player’s on-field contribution to Major League Baseball (MLB) team(s) in that season only


Salary would clearly be an off the field consideration. The concept behind the MMP was partly to get rid of the "value" argument of the MVP. We basically deleted everything but bullet 1, 4 and 5 from the MVP award criteria:

(1) actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense;
(2) number of games played;
(3) general character, disposition, loyalty and effort;
(4) former winners are eligible; and
(5) members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.


Pick the guy you think contributed the most on the field. Who was the best player in baseball in 2010?
   8. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 08:19 PM (#5592193)
I did a simple average of Kiko's pWOPA and BBRef's WAA to construct a statistic to rank order the players. Idea is that the combination of the two that are based on very different methodologies will yield an appropriate rank order. Evaluating whether to refine rankings by considering postseason performance, but for now just ranking strictly by average of pWOPA and bWAA

1) Evan Longoria: Best player on the AL East champions, mediocre in the postseason
2) Roy Halladay: Best player on the NL East champions, solid in the postseason
3) Joey Votto: Best player on the NL Central champions, although horrible in the postseason
4) Josh Hamilton: Best player on the AL West champions, fantastic ALCS
5) Robinson Cano: Best season by one of the best 2B of all-time, awesome postseason
6) Ubaldo Jimenez: Greatest season ever by a COL pitcher, did not make the postseason
7) Albert Pujols: One of the best NL hitters, did not make the postseason
8) Troy Tulowitski: Best season by the best offensive SS of the decade, did not make the postseason
9) Josh Johnson: Career year by a pitcher who had a very short career, did not make the postseason
10) Brett Gardner: 2nd best player on the AL Wild Card, terrible in the postseason
11) Jose Bautista: The AL "Where-The-Hell-Did-He-Come-From Player of the Year," did not make the postseason
12) Adam Wainwright: Best season by one of the best SP of the decade, did not make the postseason
13) Carl Crawford: 2nd best player on the AL East champions and last good season at 28, terrible postseason
14) Felix Hernandez: One of the best seasons by one of the best SP of the decade, did not make the postseason (101 losses)
15) Miguel Cabrera: Not one of his best seasons but still good to finish 2nd in MVP, did not make the postseason


NL "Where-the-Hell-Did-He-Come-From Player of the Year": Aubrey Huff (finished 20th in the average of pWOPA and WAA), finishing just ahead of teammate Andres Torres
   9. DL from MN Posted: December 13, 2017 at 10:27 PM (#5592262)
Good start
   10. ThickieDon Posted: December 19, 2017 at 01:42 PM (#5595078)
Quick prelim. Will re-assess and add comments later.

1. Josh Hamilton - AL MMP
2. Albert Pujols - NL MMP
3. Joey Votto
4. Evan Longoria
5. Joey Bautista
6. Robinson Cano
7. Carl Crawford
8. Miguel Cabrera
9. Adrian Beltre
10. Matt Holliday
11. Ryan Zimmerman
12. Shin-Soo Choo
13. Roy Halladay - best pitcher
14. Carlos Gonzalez
15. Cliff Lee - post-season bump

Just missed - Brett Gardner

Big bat, no glove - Paul Konkerko

Others worth mentioning - Jayson Werth, Adrian Gonzalez, Aubrey Huff, Troy Tulowitzki, Felix Hernandez, Ubaldo Jimenez, Ricky Weeks, Andres Torres
   11. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 10:51 AM (#5596800)
2010 NLDS Phillies 3 Reds 0
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Carlos Ruiz 3 8 1 2 1 0 0 1 3 0 .250 .500 .375 .875 0 0 0
Chase Utley 3 11 3 3 0 0 1 4 0 2 .273 .308 .545 .853 1 0 2
Jayson Werth 3 12 2 2 0 0 0 1 1 5 .167 .231 .167 .397 1 0 0

Jay Bruce 3 8 1 2 0 0 1 1 2 0 .250 .400 .625 1.025 0 0 1
Scott Rolen 3 11 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 8 .091 .091 .091 .182 0 0 2 
Joey Votto 3 10 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2 .100 .091 .100 .191 0 0 0 

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Roy Halladay 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 1 9.0 0 0 0 1 8 0.111 
Cole Hamels 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 1 9.0 5 0 0 0 9 0.556 
Roy Oswalt 1 1 5.40 0 0 0 0 5.0 5 4 3 1 5 1.200

   12. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 11:01 AM (#5596816)
2010 NLDS Giants 3 Braves 1
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Aubrey Huff 4 15 1 4 0 0 0 1 3 6 .267 .389 .267 .656 0 1 0
Andres Torres 4 16 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 6 .125 .176 .125 .301 1 2 0

Alex Gonzalez 4 15 1 3 1 0 0 2 0 5 .200 .200 .267 .467 0 0 2 
Jason Heyward 4 16 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 8 .125 .176 .125 .301 0 0 0 
Brian McCann 4 14 2 6 1 0 1 3 1 4 .429 .438 .714 1.152 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Matt Cain 1 1 0.00 0 0 0 0 6.2 7 1 0 2 6 1.350
Brian Wilson 3 0 0.00 0 0 2 0 4.0 2 1 0 2 5 1.000

Tim Hudson 1 1 0.00 0 0 0 0 7.0 4 1 0 4 5 1.143
Billy Wagner 1 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 3.000
   13. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 11:21 AM (#5596834)
2010 ALDS Rangers 3 Rays 1
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Nelson Cruz 5 20 5 8 2 0 3 3 0 6 .400 .400 .950 1.350 1 0 0
Josh Hamilton 5 18 1 2 0 0 0 1 2 6 .111 .200 .111 .311 1 0 1

Carl Crawford 5 21 1 3 0 0 1 1 0 4 .143 .143 .286 .429 1 0 0
Evan Longoria 5 20 2 4 2 0 1 2 1 4 .200 .238 .450 .688 0 0 2
Ben Zobrist 5 20 2 6 2 0 1 2 2 6 .300 .364 .550 .914 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Neftali Feliz 2 0 6.75 0 0 0 0 1.1 2 1 1 3 2 3.750
Cliff Lee 2 2 1.13 2 0 0 1 16.0 11 2 2 0 21 0.688 
C.J. Wilson 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 0 6.1 2 0 0 2 7 0.632 

David Price 2 2 4.97 0 2 0 0 12.2 17 8 7 0 14 1.342
   14. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 11:25 AM (#5596838)
2010 ALDS Yankees 3 Twins 0
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Robinson Cano 3 12 3 4 0 1 0 1 0 0 .333 .333 .500 .833 0 0 0
Brett Gardner 3 10 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 3 .200 .250 .200 .450 1 0 0
Curtis Granderson 3 11 2 5 1 1 0 3 1 1 .455 .500 .727 1.227 1 0 0 
Alex Rodriguez 3 11 1 3 0 0 0 1 1 2 .273 .308 .273 .580 1 0 0
Mark Teixeira 3 13 2 4 1 0 1 3 1 2 .308 .357 .615 .973 0 0 0

Joe Mauer 3 12 0 3 0 0 0 0 1 3 .250 .308 .250 .558 0 0 1

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
CC Sabathia 1 1 4.50 1 0 0 0 6.0 5 4 3 3 5 1.333

Francisco Liriano 1 1 6.35 0 0 0 0 5.2 6 4 4 3 7 1.588 
Carl Pavano 1 1 6.00 0 1 0 0 6.0 10 4 4 1 3 1.833
   15. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 11:32 AM (#5596851)
2010 NLCS Giants 4 Phillies 2
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Aubrey Huff 6 24 3 6 0 0 0 3 1 3 .250 .280 .250 .530 0 0 1
Andres Torres 6 20 2 7 0 0 0 0 2 8 .350 .409 .350 .759 0 1 0

Carlos Ruiz 6 18 2 3 0 0 1 1 1 7 .167 .318 .333 .652 0 0 0
Chase Utley 6 22 5 4 1 0 0 1 4 2 .182 .333 .227 .561 3 0 1
Jayson Werth 6 18 3 4 1 0 2 5 4 7 .222 .375 .611 .986 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Matt Cain 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 0 7.0 2 0 0 3 5 0.714 
Brian Wilson 4 0 0.00 1 0 3 0 5.0 2 0 0 2 7 0.800

Roy Halladay 2 2 4.15 1 1 0 0 13.0 14 6 6 2 12 1.231 
Cole Hamels 1 1 3.00 0 1 0 0 6.0 4 3 2 1 8 0.833
Roy Oswalt 3 2 1.84 1 1 0 0 14.2 14 4 3 3 14 1.159
   16. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 11:43 AM (#5596861)
2010 ALCS Rangers 4 Yankees 2
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Nelson Cruz 6 20 6 7 3 0 2 5 3 6 .350 .435 .800 1.235 0 0 0
Josh Hamilton 6 20 6 7 1 0 4 7 8 4 .350 .536 1.000 1.536 3 0 1

Robinson Cano 6 23 5 8 1 0 4 5 1 3 .348 .375 .913 1.288 0 0 0
Brett Gardner 6 17 1 3 0 0 0 1 2 5 .176 .263 .176 .440 1 0 0
Curtis Granderson 6 17 1 5 1 0 1 3 7 4 .294 .520 .529 1.049 0 1 0
Alex Rodriguez 6 21 4 4 2 0 0 2 3 4 .190 .320 .286 .606 1 0 1
Mark Teixeira 4 14 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 4 .000 .176 .000 .176 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Neftali Feliz 3 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 3.0 0 0 0 2 5 0.667
Cliff Lee 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 0 8.0 2 0 0 1 13 0.375
C.J. Wilson 2 2 6.00 0 1 0 0 12.0 12 9 8 6 6 1.500

CC Sabathia 2 2 6.30 1 0 0 0 10.0 17 7 7 4 10 2.100
   17. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2017 at 11:58 AM (#5596872)
2010 World Series Giants 4 Rangers 1
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Aubrey Huff 5 17 3 5 2 0 1 4 1 1 .294 .368 .588 .957 0 1 1
Andres Torres 5 22 4 7 4 0 1 3 0 4 .318 .348 .636 .984 1 0 0

Nelson Cruz 5 20 2 4 2 0 1 3 0 5 .200 .200 .450 .650 0 0 0
Josh Hamilton 5 20 2 2 0 0 1 1 1 3 .100 .143 .250 .393 0 1 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Matt Cain 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 0 7.2 4 0 0 2 2 0.783
Brian Wilson 3 0 0.00 0 0 1 0 2.2 1 0 0 0 4 0.375

Neftali Feliz 2 0 0.00 0 0 1 0 3.0 1 0 0 0 4 0.333
Cliff Lee 2 2 6.94 0 2 0 0 11.2 14 10 9 1 13 1.286
C.J. Wilson 1 1 3.00 0 1 0 0 6.0 3 2 2 2 4 0.833
   18. Chris Fluit Posted: December 25, 2017 at 11:05 AM (#5597341)
2010 Prelim

1. Felix Hernandez, P, Seattle Mariners: the King earns his crown with a 174 ERA+ in an AL-leading 249 IP
2. Albert Pujols, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: 173 OPS+ leads NL, +8 fielding pushes him ahead of Votto
3. Josh Hamilton, LF/CF, Texas Rangers: best position player in the AL
4. Joey Votto, 1B, Cincinnati Reds: 144 RC leads the majors but +3 fielding doesn't match Pujols or Hamilton
5. Roy Halladay, P, Philadelphia Phillies: best pitcher in the NL
6. Miguel Cabrera, 1B, Detroit Tigers: AL-leading 178 OPS+ but gives back a fair amount on defense (-5 fielding)
7. Robinson Cano, 2B, New York Yankees: top ten OPS+ (141) and +16 fielding from the keystone
8. Jose Bautista, RF, Toronto Blue Jays: Joey Bats emerges with a 164 OPS+ and 139 Runs Created
9. Adam Wainwright, P, St. Louis Cardinals: 160 ERA+ in 230 IP
10. Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Colorado Rockies: top ten in OPS+ (138) and +19 fielding from shortstop, playing time keeps him behind Cano
11. Ubaldo Jimenez, P, Colorado Rockies: 161 ERA+ in 221 IP
12. Evan Longoria, 3B, Tampa Bay Rays: top ten OPS+ (143) and +20 fielding from the hot corner
13. Clay Buchholz, P, Boston Red Sox: 187 ERA+ leads MLB but low IP (173) hurts his cause
14. Adrian Beltre, 3B, Texas Rangers: nearly identical to Longoria with 141 OPS+ and +19 fielding
15. Josh Johnson, P, Florida Marlins: 180 ERA+ leads NL but low IP (183) hurts his cause

16. Joe Mauer, C/DH, Minnesota Twins: top ten OPS+ (140) while wearing the tools of ignorance
17. Carlos Gonzalez, CF/RF, Colorado Rockies: best Gonzalez this year despite tough competition from Adrian and Gio
18. Matt Holliday, LF, St. Louis Cardinals
19. CC Sabathia, P, New York Yankees
20. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Washington Nationals
   19. toratoratora Posted: December 26, 2017 at 04:04 PM (#5597551)
Prelim. I'll throw up comments with the final.

Lots and lots of variety this year.

1 Evan Longoria
2 Robinson Cano
3 Albert Pujols
4 Roy Halladay
5 Josh Hamilton
6 Joey Votto
7 Jose Bautista
8 Carl Crawford
9 Ubaldo Jimenez
10 Adrian Beltre
11 Felix Hernandez
12 Adrian Gonzales
13 Jason Werth
14 Cliff Lee
15 CC Sabathia

Honorable mentions:

Brett Gardner
Ryan Zimmerman
Tim Hudson
Josh Johnson
Miggy
David Ortiz

   20. DL from MN Posted: January 03, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5600045)
Caiman does not include defense in his rankings. Kind of defeats the whole purpose.


Yes, but Cano had the same RBat as Heyward at a more premium position. I think he does positional adjustments based on offense output.

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