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Most Meritorious Player: 2015 Discussion

Vote for 15. Election will take place in December.

Player			SH WS		BBR WAR
Bryce Harper		39.9		9.9
Mike Trout		41.9		9.4
Paul Goldschmidt	33.0		8.8
Josh Donaldson		31.4		8.8
AJ Pollock		26.2		7.4
Kevin Kiermaier		16.8		7.4
Lorenzo Cain		27.1		7.2
Buster Posey		26.7		6.1
Joey Votto		31.1		7.6
Manny Machado		30.2		7.1
Jason Heyward		21.2		6.5
Anthony Rizzo		30.9		6.3
Chris Davis		27.8		5.2
Miguel Cabrera		23.1		5.2
Ian Kinsler		20.5		6.0
Brandon Crawford	18.9		5.6
Kris Bryant		27.5		6.0
Adrian Beltre		18.7		5.8
Nolan Arenado		23.6		5.7
Yoenis Cespedes		25.7		6.3
Starling Marte		20.3		5.3
Kevin Pillar		17.3		5.2
Ender Inciarte		14.6		5.3
Nelson Cruz		26.9		5.2
Curtis Granderson	27.5		5.1
Jose Bautista		24.4		5.1
Xander Boegarts		22.2		4.6
Francisco Lindor	14.5		4.6
Carlos Correa		16.1		4.1
Dee Gordon		24.4		4.9
Jason Kipnis		22.6		4.6
Jose Altuve		25.9		4.5
Andrelton Simmons	16.5		4.0
Justin Upton		22.4		4.4
Stephen Vogt		15.7		3.5
Russell Martin		15.7		3.3
Francisco Cervelli	17.0		3.1
Edwin Encarnacion	23.4		4.7
J.D. Martinez		23.5		5.0
Mookie Betts		23.7		6.0
Mike Moustakas		21.8		4.4
Andrew McCutchen	32.1		4.8
Giancarlo Stanton	13.6		3.7
Matt Duffy		18.2		4.9


Pitcher 		SH WS		BBR WAR
Zack Greinke		25.7		9.9
Jake Arrieta		27.4		8.9
Clayton Kershaw		21.9		7.6
Max Scherzer		18.3		7.5
Dallas Keuchel		22.3		7.2
Madison Bumgarner	17.6		5.9
David Price		20.5		5.8
Sonny Gray		15.6		5.8
John Lackey		18.3		5.5
Jacob deGrom		15.1		5.0
Gerrit Cole		18.4		4.7
Cole Hamels		12.9		4.4
Felix Hernandez		14.0		4.4
Yovani Gallardo		13.6		4.3
Chris Archer		14.1		4.2
Corey Kluber		13.6		4.1
Matt Harvey		14.0		4.1
Carlos Carrasco		12.7		4.1
Jose Quintana		15.5		3.9
Carlos Martinez		14.6		3.8
Jaime Garcia		12.8		3.8
Tyson Ross		10.7		3.8
Johnny Cueto		10.0		3.7

Dellin Betances		14.2		3.8
Wade Davis		18.2		3.4
Aroldis Chapman		12.7		2.8

 

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   1. DL from MN Posted: November 06, 2015 at 04:39 PM (#5090100)
Getting this up now before the MVP votes arrive. The election won't be until December. I'm already running 1911 and the mock-VC elections.
   2. DL from MN Posted: November 12, 2015 at 02:33 PM (#5093717)
2015 Prelim

No postseason credit figured yet, wanted to get it in before they announced MVP

1) Zack Greinke - best performance by a pitcher from 2012-2015
2) Mike Trout
3) Bryce Harper - Trout and Harper are basically tied
4) Jake Arrieta
5) Josh Donaldson - any of the top 5 were MMP worthy years versus others, then there is a dropoff
6) Paul Goldschmidt
7) Clayton Kershaw
8) Max Scherzer
9) AJ Pollock
10) Lorenzo Cain
11) Dallas Keuchel
12) Kevin Kiermaier
13) Buster Posey
14) Manny Machado
15) Joey Votto

16-20) Jason Heyward, Kris Bryant, David Price, Brandon Crawford, Sonny Gray

Still working on the rest
   3. DanG Posted: November 12, 2015 at 03:37 PM (#5093800)
Here are the leaders in Fangraphs WAR:

9.5 Bryce Harper
9.0 Mike Trout
8.7 Josh Donaldson
7.4 Paul Goldschmidt
7.4 Joey Votto
6.8 Manny Machado
6.7 Yoenis Cespedes
6.6 A.J. Pollock
6.6 Lorenzo Cain
6.5 Kris Bryant
6.0 Jason Heyward
5.8 Andrew McCutchen
5.7 Buster Posey
5.6 Chris Davis
5.5 Kevin Kiermaier
5.5 Anthony Rizzo
5.2 Matt Carpenter
5.2 Jason Kipnis
5.1 Curtis Granderson
5.0 J.D. Martinez
4.9 Matt Duffy
4.8 Nelson Cruz
4.8 Mookie Betts
4.7 Brandon Crawford
4.6 Adrian Beltre
4.6 Dee Gordon
4.5 Edwin Encarnacion
4.5 Nolan Arenado
4.5 Jose Bautista
4.4 Todd Frazier
4.3 Miguel Cabrera
4.3 Jose Altuve
4.3 Brandon Belt
4.3 Kevin Pillar
4.3 Xander Bogaerts
4.2 Ian Kinsler
4.2 Evan Longoria
4.1 Logan Forsythe
3.9 Kyle Seager
3.9 Odubel Herrera
3.8 Michael Brantley
3.8 Kole Calhoun
3.8 Francisco Cervelli
3.8 Mike Moustakas

RA9-WAR WAR Name
10.0 5.9 Zack Greinke
9.4 7.3 Jake Arrieta
8.1 6.1 Dallas Keuchel
7.9 8.6 Clayton Kershaw
7.1 6.4 David Price
6.4 6.4 Max Scherzer
5.9 3.6 John Lackey
5.7 3.8 Sonny Gray
5.2 5.2 Jacob deGrom
5.1 5.1 Madison Bumgarner
5.0 5.4 Gerrit Cole
4.8 4.8 Jose Quintana
4.7 4.4 Matt Harvey
4.5 1.8 Marco Estrada
4.4 5.5 Corey Kluber
4.3 4.1 Johnny Cueto
4.3 2.5 Yovani Gallardo
4.2 6.2 Chris Sale
4.2 5.3 Chris Archer
4.2 2.8 Wei-Yin Chen
4.1 4.2 Cole Hamels
4.1 2.8 Felix Hernandez
4.0 3.4 Carlos Martinez
3.8 4.8 Carlos Carrasco

You also may want to check Win shares for two-team players. Your total for Cespedes above is for Detroit only. He added another 13.0 with the Mets.
   4. DL from MN Posted: November 12, 2015 at 04:02 PM (#5093831)
Fixed Cespedes, it's the league switching that messed it up. Price should be okay.
   5. DL from MN Posted: November 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM (#5096130)
Just a reminder that if you didn't care to vote in the 1911 ballot or the other historical ballots you can still vote for 2015 as long as you post a prelim here.

This is awards announcement week for MLB.
   6. Chris Fluit Posted: November 17, 2015 at 03:54 PM (#5097320)
2015 Prelim- AL Only

1. Mike Trout, CF, Los Angeles Angels: ho-hum, just another dominant season leading the AL in OPS+ and RC
2. Josh Donaldson, 3B, Toronto Blue Jays: the challenger to the crown falls just short
3. Dallas Keuchel, P, Houston Astros
4. David Price, P, Detroit/Toronto: the top two pitchers by a wide margin; Keuchel is 1st in ERA+ and IP, Price is 2nd and 3rd
5. Manny Machado, 3B, Baltimore Orioles: a great combination of offense (131 OPS+, 113 RC) and defense (+13 fielding)
6. Nelson Cruz, RF, Seattle Marines: even better than he was in 2014
7. Miguel Cabrera, 1B, Detroit Tigers: missing time hurts his chances but 170 OPS+ is still 2nd in AL
8. Sonny Gray, P, Oakland Athletics: 3rd in ERA+ with 147
9. Chris Davis, 1B, Baltimore Orioles: 146 ERA+ and 121 RC pushes him ahead of the Blue Jays big bats
10. Wade Davis, RP, Kansas City Royals: a 0.94 ERA and 444 ERA+ deserves attention
   7. Chris Fluit Posted: November 18, 2015 at 03:48 PM (#5098088)
2015 Prelim- NL Only

1. Bryce Harper, RF, Washington Nationals: dominates the senior circuit with 195 OP+ and 161 RC
2. Jake Arrieta, P, Chicago Cubs
3. Zack Greinke, P, Los Angeles Dodgers: Arrieta edges out Greinke due to 7 extra IP, or roughly 1 game
4. Paul Goldschmidt, 1B, Arizona Diamondbacks: another quietly great season in the desert
5. Joey Votto, 1B, Cincinnati Reds: a good (+6 fielding) but not great glove holds him behind Goldschmidt (+18)
6. Clayton Kershaw, P, Los Angeles Dodgers: 175 ERA+ in 232 IP
7. Buster Posey, C, San Francisco Giants: 135 OPS+ and 70% of his games at catcher
8. Anthony Rizzo, 1B, Chicago Cubs: 144 OPS+ and 124 RC
9. Nolan Arenado, 3B, Colorado Rockies: 124 OPS+ and +18 fielding
10. AJ Pollock, CF, Arizona Diamondbacks: 132 OPS+ and +14 fielding
   8. Chris Fluit Posted: November 18, 2015 at 03:54 PM (#5098096)
2015 Prelim- Combined

1. Mike Trout, CF, Los Angeles Angels: ho-hum, just another dominant season leading the AL in OPS+ and RC
2. Bryce Harper, RF, Washington Nationals: dominates the senior circuit with 195 OP+ and 161 RC
3. Josh Donaldson, 3B, Toronto Blue Jays: the challenger to the AL crown falls just short
4. Jake Arrieta, P, Chicago Cubs
5. Zack Greinke, P, Los Angeles Dodgers: Arrieta edges out Greinke due to 7 extra IP, or roughly 1 game
6. Dallas Keuchel, P, Houston Astros: Keuchel is 1st in AL ERA+ and IP
7. Paul Goldschmidt, 1B, Arizona Diamondbacks: another quietly great season in the desert
8. David Price, P, Detroit/Toronto: Price is 2nd and 3rd in AL ERA+ and IP
9. Joey Votto, 1B, Cincinnati Reds: good (+6 fielding), not great glove holds him behind Goldschmidt (+18)
10. Clayton Kershaw, P, Los Angeles Dodgers: 175 ERA+ in 232 IP
11. Manny Machado, 3B, Baltimore Orioles: a great combination of offense (131 OPS+, 113 RC) and defense (+13 fielding)
12. Buster Posey, C, San Francisco Giants: 135 OPS+ and 70% of his games at catcher
13. Nelson Cruz, RF, Seattle Marines: even better than he was in 2014
14. Miguel Cabrera, 1B, Detroit Tigers: missing time hurts his chances but 170 OPS+ is still 2nd in AL
15. Anthony Rizzo, 1B, Chicago Cubs: 144 OPS+ and 124 RC

16. Sonny Gray, P, Oakland Athletics: 3rd in AL ERA+ with 147
17. Nolan Arenado, 3B, Colorado Rockies: 124 OPS+ and +18 fielding
18. AJ Pollock, CF, Arizona Diamondbacks: 132 OPS+ and +14 fielding
19. Chris Davis, 1B, Baltimore Orioles: 146 ERA+ and 121 RC pushes him ahead of the Blue Jays big bats
20. Wade Davis, RP, Kansas City Royals: a 0.94 ERA and 444 ERA+ deserves attention
   9. shoewizard Posted: November 21, 2015 at 08:11 PM (#5100132)
Here is another view

Rk              Player WAR/pos  Rbat Rfield Rbaser  Rdp oWAR dWAR  PA   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS
1         Bryce Harper     9.9  69.9   10.0    2.9 
-0.7  8.9  0.4 654 .330 .460 .649 1.109
2           Mike Trout     9.4  58.8    5.0   
-0.6 -0.4  8.9  1.0 682 .299 .402 .590  .991
3     Paul Goldschmidt     8.8  52.9   18.0    4.1 
-1.8  6.8  0.9 695 .321 .435 .570 1.005
4       Josh Donaldson     8.8  45.2   11.0    3.3 
-1.6  7.7  1.5 711 .297 .371 .568  .939
5           Joey Votto     7.6  59.5    6.0   
-2.8 -0.3  7.0 -0.4 695 .314 .459 .541 1.000
6      Kevin Kiermaier     7.4  
-0.8   42.0    2.5  2.5  2.8  5.0 535 .263 .298 .420  .718
7         A
.JPollock     7.4  26.1   14.0    8.6 -0.9  5.9  1.8 673 .315 .367 .498  .865
8         Lorenzo Cain     7.2  19.9   18.0    6.1  0.3  5.3  2.3 604 .307 .361 .477  .838
9        Manny Machado     7.1  27.3   13.0    0.7 
-2.2  5.7  1.9 713 .286 .359 .502  .861
10       Jason Heyward     6.5  13.6   24.0    6.3  5.1  3.9  2.0 610 .293 .359 .439  .797
11       Anthony Rizzo     6.3  38.1   10.0    0.2  0.7  5.2  0.0 701 .278 .387 .512  .899
12     Yoenis Cespedes     6.3  29.5   11.0    2.2 
-0.1  5.1  0.7 676 .291 .328 .542  .870
13        Buster Posey     6.1  24.4   13.0    0.2 
-2.2  4.7  1.8 623 .318 .379 .470  .849
14         Kris Bryant     6.0  28.1    4.0    2.7  1.9  5.5  0.6 650 .275 .369 .488  .858
15        Mookie Betts     6.0  18.0   10.0    1.6  2.3  4.9  1.4 654 .291 .341 .479  .820
16         Ian Kinsler     6.0  11.0   19.0   
-1.2  0.3  4.0  2.5 675 .296 .342 .428  .770
17       Adrian Beltre     5.8  10.4   18.0    3.8 
-1.7  3.9  2.3 619 .287 .334 .453  .788
18       Nolan Arenado     5.7  16.5   18.0   
-1.0 -1.6  3.7  2.2 665 .287 .323 .575  .898
19    Brandon Crawford     5.6   7.8   20.0    1.2  0.1  3.4  2.9 561 .256 .321 .462  .782
20      Starling Marte     5.3  11.5   24.0    0.1  0.9  2.6  2.0 633 .287 .337 .444  .780
21      Ender Inciarte     5.3   3.3   29.0    3.8  1.5  2.0  2.6 561 .303 .338 .408  .747
22         Nelson Cruz     5.2  44.7   
-8.0   -1.2  0.7  6.0 -1.8 655 .302 .369 .566  .936
23         Chris Davis     5.2  37.3    1.0   
-3.5  0.7  5.2 -0.9 670 .262 .361 .562  .923
24        Kevin Pillar     5.2  
-4.2   22.0    2.9  2.7  2.8  2.8 628 .278 .314 .399  .713
25      Miguel Cabrera     5.2  40.3    4.0   
-2.5 -3.0  4.8 -0.3 511 .338 .440 .534  .974
Rk              Player WAR
/pos  Rbat Rfield Rbaser  Rdp oWAR dWAR  PA   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS
26   Curtis Granderson     5.1  22.9   11.0    0.1  1.3  3.9  0.5 682 .259 .364 .457  .821
27      Logan Forsythe     5.1  17.5    6.0    1.9 
-0.3  4.5  0.9 615 .281 .359 .444  .804
28       Jose Bautista     5.1  37.2   
-3.0    2.1 -3.2  5.4 -1.1 666 .250 .377 .536  .913
29       J
.DMartinez     5.0  28.7    4.0   -2.4  0.5  4.6 -0.2 657 .282 .344 .535  .879
30          Matt Duffy     4.9  11.1    9.0    5.6 
-0.1  3.9  1.2 612 .295 .334 .428  .762
31          Dee Gordon     4.9   8.6   13.0    1.8  1.7  3.5  1.8 653 .333 .359 .418  .776
32    Andrew McCutchen     4.8  34.5   
-8.0   -2.7  0.3  5.7 -0.6 685 .292 .401 .488  .889
33   Edwin Encarnacion     4.7  36.4    0.0   
-1.5 -0.7  4.8 -1.1 624 .277 .372 .557  .929
34        Jason Kipnis     4.6  15.4    1.0    2.5  1.7  4.5  0.4 641 .303 .372 .451  .823
35    Francisco Lindor     4.6  11.4   10.0    2.5 
-0.5  3.5  1.7 438 .313 .353 .482  .835
36     Xander Bogaerts     4.6   7.1    0.0    5.3  0.3  4.6  0.9 654 .320 .355 .421  .776
37         Jose Altuve     4.5  16.8    3.0   
-3.7 -0.9  4.2  0.8 689 .313 .353 .459  .812
38        Justin Upton     4.4  17.9    8.0    3.8 
-0.2  3.5  0.2 620 .251 .336 .454  .790
39      Mike Moustakas     4.4  14.9    4.0   
-2.3  0.7  4.0  0.8 614 .284 .348 .470  .817
40         Kyle Seager     4.3  15.4    0.0   
-1.4 -1.1  4.3  0.4 686 .266 .328 .451  .779
41       Carlos Correa     4.1  15.4    0.0    2.6  1.1  4.1  0.6 432 .279 .345 .512  .857
42      Matt Carpenter     4.0  28.1  
-10.0   -1.3  0.2  5.1 -0.9 665 .272 .365 .505  .871
43        Jung Ho Kang     4.0  14.4    4.0    2.2 
-1.0  3.5  0.9 467 .287 .355 .461  .816
44   Andrelton Simmons     4.0 
-10.0   25.0   -1.4 -0.5  1.2  3.5 583 .265 .321 .338  .660
45        Todd Frazier     4.0  13.7    6.0   
-1.0 -2.2  3.4  0.9 678 .255 .309 .498  .806
46        Brandon Belt     3.9  19.8    6.0    0.2  2.1  3.2 
-0.2 556 .280 .356 .478  .834
47     Adrian Gonzalez     3.9  22.1   10.0   
-2.5 -2.2  2.8  0.1 643 .275 .350 .480  .830
48          Adam Eaton     3.9  18.0  
-14.0    5.2  2.3  5.4 -1.1 689 .287 .361 .431  .792
49       Justin Turner     3.9  19.7    5.0   
-1.3 -0.6  3.4  0.6 439 .294 .370 .491  .861
50          Ryan Braun     3.8  21.7   
-1.0    6.1 -1.8  3.8 -0.8 568 .285 .356 .498  .854 


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   10. shoewizard Posted: November 21, 2015 at 08:15 PM (#5100133)
Pitchers

Rk              Player WAA/pitch WAR PtchR   RE24   WPA ERA+  FIP  G GS    IP  ERA OPS+
1         Zack Greinke       7.5 9.3 54.48 57.778 6.903  225 2.76 32 32 222.2 1.66   45
2         Jake Arrieta       6.7 8.6 52.73 54.243 5.807  219 2.35 33 33 229.0 1.77   43
3      Clayton Kershaw       5.6 7.5 42.23 48.197 5.177  175 1.99 33 33 232.2 2.13   49
4       Dallas Keuchel       5.1 7.2 40.08 41.751 4.215  162 2.91 33 33 232.0 2.48   58
5         Max Scherzer       5.1 7.0 31.26 36.174 3.331  143 2.77 33 33 228.2 2.79   63
6          David Price       3.9 6.0 34.84 34.927 3.590  161 2.78 32 32 220.1 2.45   71
7          John Lackey       3.8 5.6 28.65 30.075 3.395  142 3.57 33 33 218.0 2.77   89
8           Sonny Gray       3.8 5.8 28.47 30.940 3.627  148 3.45 31 31 208.0 2.73   63
9         Jacob deGrom       3.2 4.7 25.50 28.673 3.302  145 2.70 30 30 191.0 2.54   63
10   Madison Bumgarner       3.1 4.9 23.00 26.475 2.827  129 2.87 32 32 218.1 2.93   73
11        Jaime Garcia       2.8 3.9 21.95 24.320 2.797  161 3.00 20 20 129.2 2.43   61
12         Matt Harvey       2.8 4.3 21.70 22.495 2.987  136 3.05 29 29 189.1 2.71   74
13         Gerrit Cole       2.8 4.5 26.52 24.158 2.453  148 2.66 32 32 208.0 2.60   76
14         Cole Hamels       2.6 4.4 11.93 14.718 1.488  112 3.47 32 32 212.1 3.65   84
15     Felix Hernandez       2.5 4.4  8.60 14.652 2.989  107 3.72 31 31 201.2 3.53   92
16     Carlos Martinez       2.4 3.9 18.26 18.892 2.103  130 3.21 31 29 179.2 3.01   92
17     Yovani Gallardo       2.4 4.1 15.44 14.800 1.632  124 4.00 33 33 184.1 3.42   97
18     Dellin Betances       2.3 3.8 22.59 24.966 4.034  266 2.48 74  0  84.0 1.50   43
19        Chris Archer       2.3 4.3 15.69 18.194 2.953  122 2.90 34 34 212.0 3.23   71
20          Wade Davis       2.3 3.4 23.19 29.019 4.312  444 2.29 69  0  67.1 0.94   23
21        Corey Kluber       2.2 4.2 18.32 21.491 1.675  122 2.97 32 32 222.0 3.49   73
22       Jose Quintana       2.1 4.0 13.74 16.624 1.046  116 3.18 32 32 206.1 3.36  101
23        Johnny Cueto       2.1 3.9 14.23 16.097 1.597  117 3.53 32 32 212.0 3.44   86
24        Wei
-Yin Chen       2.1 3.8 15.88 13.696 1.803  124 4.16 31 31 191.1 3.34  103
25     Carlos Carrasco       2.1 3.8 14.32 13.296 1.852  118 2.84 30 30 183.2 3.63   72 


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Generated 11/22/2015.
   11. DL from MN Posted: December 09, 2015 at 11:06 AM (#5110817)
Hopefully we get more participation for 2015 than we did for the turn of the century.

Also, next year we will be voting on 1989-2000. I hope that we see more participation for that era as well.

Reminder on the MMP schedule

1989-2000 +2016 (1972-1996 covered for Expansion VC)
1940-1949 +2017 (1947-1972 covered for Golden VC)
1912-1922 +2018
2001-2011 +2019 (modern era covered)
1923-1933 +2020
1934-1939 +2021 (1901-2021 finished in 10 years)
   12. DL from MN Posted: January 04, 2016 at 11:19 AM (#5125158)
Postseason stats - selected players

Player Name G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Donaldson 5  18  5  4  1  0  2  4  3  4  .222  .333  .611  .944  0  0  0
Heyward 4  14  2  5  1  0  1  2  2  2  .357  .438  .643  1.080  0  0  0
Cespedes 14  54  7  14  1  0  2  8  1  17  .259  .272  .352  .624  1  0  0
Bryant 8  31  2  6  1  1  2  5  2  11  .194  .242  .484  .726  0  0  1
LCain 16  62  13  16  2  0  1  11  11  14  .258  .370  .339  .709  6  1  0

Pitcher G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Greinke 2  2  3.29  1  1  0  0  13.2  11  5  5  1  17  0.878  
Kershaw 2  2  2.63  1  1  0  0  13.2  7  4  4  5  19  0.878  
Arrieta 2  2  6.75  1  1  0  0  10.2  9  8  8  4  17  1.219
Keuchel 2  1  4.50  1  0  0  0  8.0  7  4  4  4  7  1.375  
Lackey 2  2  3.48  1  0  0  0  10.1  6  4  4  2  10  0.774  
Price 2  1  7.20  1  1  0  0  10.0  11  8  8  2  7  1.300
   13. toratoratora Posted: January 05, 2016 at 08:09 PM (#5126587)
The usual blend of WAR systems. No adjustments

1-Harper
2-Trout
3-Donaldson
4-Goldschmidt
5-Votto
6-Grienke
7-Kershaw
8-Arrieta
9-Machado
10-McCutch
11-Scherzer
12-Rizzo
13-Pollock
14-Cespedes
15-Cain (Tie)
15-Davis (Tie)

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