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Most Meritorious Player: 2017 Discussion

Most Meritorious Player: 2017 Discussion

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Player			WS	bWAR
Jose Altuve		36.7	8.3	
Aaron Judge		30.8	8.1
Giancarlo Stanton	32.2	7.6
Joey Votto		31.5	7.5
Nolan Arenado		24.2	7.2
Mike Trout		30.8	6.7
Andrelton Simmons	21.9	7.1
Jose Ramirez		28.4	6.9
Mookie Betts		24.2	6.4
Tommy Pham		20.1	6.4
Carlos Correa		25.2	6.3
Kris Bryant		29.8	6.1
Charlie Blackmon	32.4	6.0
Anthony Rendon		27.9	5.9
Paul Goldschmidt	26.6	5.8
Marcell Ozuna		26.7	5.7
Justin Turner		24.8	5.7
Justin Upton		22.0	5.6
Corey Seager		27.4	5.6
Francisco Lindor	25.7	5.3
Lorenzo Cain		24.7	5.3
Byron Buxton		15.4	5.1
Jonathan Schoop		25.4	5.1
Kevin Kiermaier		13.8	5.1
George Springer		24.2	5.0
Zack Cozart		18.6	4.9
Brett Gardner		18.7	4.9
Josh Donaldson		21.8	4.8
Chris Taylor		23.4	4.8
Jose Abreu		23.7	4.7
Elvis Andrus		25.0	4.7
Bryce Harper		21.9	4.7
Avisail Garcia		20.8	4.5
Freddie Freeman		22.9	4.5
Brian Dozier		27.1	4.5
Daniel Murphy		27.3	2.8
Josh Reddick		19.1	4.4
Anthony Rizzo		26.4	4.4
Marwin Gonzalez		23.7	4.3
Steven Souza		18.0	4.2
Cody Bellinger		22.9	4.2
JD Martinez		21.4	4.1
Nelson Cruz		22.9	4.1
Gary Sanchez		17.7	4.1
Alex Bregman		24.4	4.1
Eric Hosmer		26.4	4.0
Buster Posey		22.6	4.0
Travis Shaw		20.7	4.0
Jed Lowrie		22.4	4.0
Willson Contreras	13.6	3.9
Didi Gregorius		17.3	3.7
Justin Smoak		23.1	3.2

Pitcher 		WS	WAR
Corey Kluber		23.6	8.1
Max Scherzer		19.6	7.6
Stephen Strasburg	17.2	6.7
Gio Gonzalez		17.4	6.4
Justin Verlander	16.5	6.4
Zack Greinke		17.9	6.3
Chris Sale		21.1	6.1
Marcus Stroman		16.8	6.0
Robbie Ray		16.0	5.9
Carlos Carrasco		18.6	5.4
Luis Severino		16.0	5.3
Clayton Kershaw		18.8	5.0
Jacob deGrom		12.4	5.0
Ervin Santana		16.5	4.8
Andrew Cashner		12.5	4.7
Aaron Nola		11.7	4.1	
Chase Anderson		14.1	4.0
Drew Pomeranz		15.8	4.0
Zack Godley		12.1	4.0
James Paxton		11.3	3.9
Dallas Keuchel		12.6	3.9
Yu Darvish		12.2	3.9
Jason Vargas		13.0	3.8

Corey Knebel		16.4	3.7	
Archie Bradley		11.1	3.7
Craig Kimbrel		18.9	3.6
Andrew Miller		11.8	3.1
Kenley Jansen		18.4	3.0
David Robertson		13.1	2.9
Felipe Rivero		16.4	2.6
Brad Hand		14.4	2.8
DL from MN Posted: November 02, 2017 at 04:51 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: November 02, 2017 at 05:54 PM (#5570176)
2017 Prelim

1) Jose Altuve - Great all-around season in a year with no runaway winner
2) Corey Kluber - best P
3) Max Scherzer - best NL pitcher
4) Aaron Judge - great bat, better fielder than I expected
5) Andrelton Simmons - Ozzie Smith type season
6) Giancarlo Stanton
7) Mike Trout - lowest I've ever placed him
8) Nolan Arenado
9) Jose Ramirez
10) Stephen Strasburg
11) Gio Gonzalez - If starting pitching is supposed to win championships....
12) Joey Votto - best bat
13) Carlos Correa
14) Justin Verlander
15) Zack Greinke

16-20) Charlie Blackmon, Anthony Rendon, Kris Bryant, Tommy Pham, Chris Sale
   2. lieiam Posted: November 04, 2017 at 12:03 PM (#5570954)
I've been out of the loop here and haven't voted in quite a while.
Still, I already generated my numbers and glad to see this thread is now open.

For 2017, I used a combination system and referenced WAR from fangraphs, baseball-reference and baseball gauge as well as win shares and win shares above bench.
No post season bonus; slight catcher bonus.

1 ALTUVE, JOSE 9146
2 JUDGE, AARON 8992
3 STANTON, GIANCARLO 8827
4 VOTTO, JOEY 8531
5 KLUBER, COREY 8489
6 TROUT, MIKE 8388
7 BLACKMON, CHARLIE 8213
8 BRYANT, KRIS 7821
9 RAMIREZ, JOSE 7666
10 SALE, CHRIS 7603
11 SCHERZER, MAX 7311
12 RENDON, ANTHONY 7227
13 CORREA, CARLOS 6903
14 GOLDSHMIDT, PAUL 6834
15 OZUNA, MARCELL 6657
   3. ThickieDon Posted: November 06, 2017 at 01:31 PM (#5571646)
1. Altuve - edges out Judge w/ post-season bump
2. Judge - historic rookie campaign
3. Trout - blew everyone away offensively, even Judge & Stanton; missed too much time
4. Stanton - most homers since Bonds in 2001
5. Votto - .320/.454/.578 is tough to argue against even with subpar baserunning and defense

6. J. Ramirez
7. Bryant
8. Blackmon
9. Pham
10. Kluber - best hurler

11. Rendon
12. Sale
13. Turner
14. Arenado
15. Scherzer
   4. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: November 08, 2017 at 01:50 PM (#5573035)
DL, will you be putting together a discussion and vote for the Modern Baseball Era ballot?
   5. DL from MN Posted: November 09, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5573459)
DL, will you be putting together a discussion and vote for the Modern Baseball Era ballot?


I will do a ballot next week.
   6. DL from MN Posted: November 30, 2017 at 05:28 PM (#5583733)
NL Wild Card Diamondbacks 1 Rockies 0
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Archie Bradley 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 2 0 0 1.000 1.000 3.000 4.000 0 0 0
Paul Goldschmidt 1 5 1 2 0 0 1 3 0 1 .400 .400 1.000 1.400 0 0 0
J.D. Martinez 1 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .000 .200 .000 .200 0 0 0

Nolan Arenado 1 5 2 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 .200 .200 .800 1.000 0 0 0
Charlie Blackmon 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
Archie Bradley 1 0 13.50 0 0 0 0 1.1 3 2 2 0 0 2.250 
Zack Greinke 1 1 9.82 0 0 0 0 3.2 6 4 4 1 1 1.909
Robbie Ray 1 0 3.86 0 0 0 0 2.1 2 1 1 0 3 0.857
   7. DL from MN Posted: November 30, 2017 at 05:56 PM (#5583752)
AL Wild Card Yankees 1 Twins 0
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Brett Gardner 1 4 3 2 0 0 1 1 1 0 .500 .600 1.250 1.850 0 0 0 
Didi Gregorius 1 3 1 1 0 0 1 3 1 1 .333 .500 1.333 1.833 0 0 0 
Aaron Judge 1 4 3 2 0 0 1 2 1 0 .500 .600 1.250 1.850 0 0 0 
Gary Sanchez 1 4 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 .500 .500 .750 1.250 0 0 0

Byron Buxton 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 1 0 0
Brian Dozier 1 4 1 2 0 0 1 1 1 2 .500 .600 1.250 1.850 0 0 0 

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
David Robertson 1 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 3.1 3 0 0 1 5 1.200
Luis Severino 1 1 81.00 0 0 0 0 0.1 4 3 3 1 0 15.000

Ervin Santana 1 1 18.00 0 0 0 0 2.0 3 4 4 2 0 2.500
   8. DL from MN Posted: December 01, 2017 at 10:18 AM (#5583990)
NLDS Dodgers 3 Diamondbacks 0
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Cody Bellinger 3 14 3 3 0 0 1 2 1 6 .214 .267 .429 .695 0 0 0         
Corey Seager 3 11 3 3 0 1 0 2 4 3 .273 .467 .455 .921 1 0 1         
Chris Taylor 3 13 3 3 1 0 0 1 2 3 .231 .333 .308 .641 0 0 0         
Justin Turner 3 13 1 6 0 0 1 5 1 1 .462 .533 .692 1.226 1 0 1         

Paul Goldschmidt 3 11 1 1 0 0 1 2 1 3 .091 .167 .364 .530 0 0 0 
J.D. Martinez 3 11 1 4 0 0 1 1 0 4 .364 .364 .636 1.000 0 0 0         

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Yu Darvish 1 1 1.80 1 0 0 0 5.0 2 1 1 0 7 0.400           
Kenley Jansen 3 0 0.00 0 0 2 0 3.2 2 1 0 1 4 0.818           
Clayton Kershaw 1 1 5.68 1 0 0 0 6.1 5 4 4 3 7 1.263           

Archie Bradley 2 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 4.2 3 1 0 3 5 1.286           
Zack Godley 1 0 3.60 0 0 0 0 5.0 4 3 2 2 5 1.200           
Zack Greinke 1 1 5.40 0 1 0 0 5.0 4 3 3 5 4 1.800           
Robbie Ray 1 1 8.31 0 1 0 0 4.1 4 4 4 4 6 1.846           
   9. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 10:28 AM (#5584001)
I'm curious to see how Simmons plays in this vote. Very under-the-radar season on a bad team with a much bigger star, but if you buy his glove he's probably one of the 5 best players in the league this year. I'll be thinking about that when I submit my ballot after work tonight.
   10. DL from MN Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:02 PM (#5584206)
NLDS Cubs 3 Nationals 2
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E  
Kris Bryant 5 20 3 4 2 0 0 2 1 10 .200 .238 .300 .538 0 0 1         
Willson Contreras 5 14 3 3 0 0 1 1 6 3 .214 .450 .429 .879 0 0 0         
Anthony Rizzo 5 20 1 4 1 0 1 6 1 6 .200 .238 .400 .638 0 0 0         

Bryce Harper 5 19 2 4 1 0 1 3 3 6 .211 .304 .421 .725 1 0 0         
Daniel Murphy 5 19 5 4 1 0 1 2 3 6 .211 .318 .421 .739 0 0 0         
Anthony Rendon 5 17 4 3 1 0 1 1 5 1 .176 .364 .412 .775 0 0 1         

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Gio Gonzalez 2 2 6.75 0 0 0 0 8.0 6 6 6 6 11 1.500           
Max Scherzer 2 1 3.68 0 1 0 0 7.1 4 5 3 4 8 1.091           
Stephen Strasburg 2 2 0.00 1 1 0 0 14.0 6 2 0 3 22 0.643           
   11. DL from MN Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:37 PM (#5584257)
ALDS Yankees 3 Cleveland 2
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Brett Gardner 5 21 2 6 1 0 0 2 1 3 .286 .304 .333 .638 1 1 0         
Didi Gregorius 5 17 3 4 0 0 2 3 6 3 .235 .435 .588 1.023 0 0 0         
Aaron Judge 5 20 1 1 1 0 0 2 4 16 .050 .208 .100 .308 0 0 0         
Gary Sanchez 5 23 3 4 0 0 2 3 0 10 .174 .174 .435 .609 0 0 0         

Francisco Lindor 5 18 2 2 0 0 1 4 4 6 .111 .273 .278 .551 0 0 0         
Jose Ramirez 5 20 2 2 0 0 0 0 2 7 .100 .182 .100 .282 0 0 1         

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
David Robertson 3 0 1.93 1 0 0 0 4.2 1 1 1 2 5 0.643           
Luis Severino 1 1 3.86 1 0 0 0 7.0 4 3 3 1 9 0.714           

Carlos Carrasco 1 1 0.00 0 0 0 0 5.2 3 0 0 3 7 1.059           
Corey Kluber 2 2 12.79 0 1 0 0 6.1 10 9 9 3 10 2.053           
Andrew Miller 4 0 1.80 0 1 0 0 5.0 4 1 1 2 8 1.200           
   12. DL from MN Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:51 PM (#5584283)
ALDS Astros 3 Red Sox 1
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Jose Altuve 4 15 5 8 0 0 3 4 4 2 .533 .632 1.133 1.765 0 0 0         
Alex Bregman 4 18 3 4 1 0 2 2 0 3 .222 .222 .611 .833 0 0 0         
Carlos Correa 4 17 3 4 1 0 2 6 2 4 .235 .316 .647 .963 0 0 1         
Marwin Gonzalez 4 15 2 3 1 0 0 2 0 6 .200 .294 .267 .561 0 0 1         
Josh Reddick 4 16 3 6 0 0 0 2 2 2 .375 .444 .375 .819 0 0 0         
George Springer 4 17 4 7 2 0 1 2 2 4 .412 .474 .706 1.180 0 0 0         

Mookie Betts 4 16 2 5 2 0 0 0 1 4 .313 .353 .438 .790 1 0 1         

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Dallas Keuchel 1 1 1.59 1 0 0 0 5.2 3 1 1 3 7 1.059           
Justin Verlander 2 1 3.12 2 0 0 0 8.2 7 3 3 4 3 1.269           

Craig Kimbrel 2 0 4.50 0 0 0 0 2.0 4 1 1 1 2 2.500           
Drew Pomeranz 1 1 18.00 0 1 0 0 2.0 5 4 4 1 1 3.000           
Chris Sale 2 1 8.38 0 2 0 0 9.2 13 9 9 1 12 1.448           
   13. DL from MN Posted: December 01, 2017 at 02:33 PM (#5584324)
NLCS Dodgers 4 Cubs 1
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Cody Bellinger 5 22 3 7 2 0 1 2 1 6 .318 .348 .545 .893 1 0 0         
Chris Taylor 5 19 5 6 1 1 2 3 5 2 .316 .458 .789 1.248 0 0 0         
Justin Turner 5 18 3 6 0 0 2 7 5 4 .333 .478 .667 1.145 0 0 0         

Kris Bryant 5 20 1 4 0 0 1 1 0 4 .200 .200 .350 .550 0 0 1         
Willson Contreras 5 18 2 4 0 0 1 1 0 8 .222 .222 .389 .611 0 0 0         
Anthony Rizzo 5 17 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 8 .059 .158 .059 .217 0 0 0         

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Yu Darvish 1 1 1.42 1 0 0 0 6.1 6 1 1 1 7 1.105           
Kenley Jansen 4 0 0.00 1 0 1 0 4.1 0 0 0 0 8 0.000           
Clayton Kershaw 2 2 2.45 1 0 0 0 11.0 7 3 3 2 9 0.818           
   14. DL from MN Posted: December 01, 2017 at 02:39 PM (#5584327)
ALCS Astros 4 Yankees 3
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Jose Altuve 7 25 5 8 0 0 2 4 4 5 .320 .414 .560 .974 1 0 1
Alex Bregman 7 24 2 4 1 0 0 3 3 3 .167 .259 .208 .468 0 0 1 
Carlos Correa 7 27 4 9 3 0 1 3 1 5 .333 .357 .556 .913 0 0 0 
Marwin Gonzalez 7 22 2 3 1 0 0 0 2 4 .136 .208 .182 .390 0 0 0
Josh Reddick 7 25 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 6 .040 .077 .040 .117 0 0 0 
George Springer 7 26 1 3 0 0 0 0 4 7 .115 .233 .115 .349 0 0 0

Brett Gardner 7 27 2 4 1 0 0 1 1 9 .148 .207 .185 .392 0 0 0
Didi Gregorius 7 28 2 7 1 1 0 1 0 8 .250 .250 .357 .607 0 0 2
Aaron Judge 7 24 5 6 2 0 3 7 4 11 .250 .357 .708 1.065 0 1 0
Gary Sanchez 7 26 1 5 1 0 1 5 1 9 .192 .214 .346 .560 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Dallas Keuchel 2 2 3.09 1 1 0 0 11.2 11 4 4 2 18 1.114 
Justin Verlander 2 2 0.56 2 0 0 1 16.0 10 1 1 2 21 0.750

David Robertson 4 0 9.00 0 0 0 0 5.0 7 5 5 1 6 1.600
Luis Severino 2 2 4.15 0 1 0 0 8.2 5 4 4 6 3 1.269 
   15. DL from MN Posted: December 01, 2017 at 03:21 PM (#5584363)
World Series Astros 4 Dodgers 3
Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Jose Altuve 7 31 4 6 2 0 2 6 1 7 .194 .219 .452 .670 1 0 0 
Alex Bregman 7 30 6 7 1 0 2 5 2 4 .233 .273 .467 .739 1 0 1
Carlos Correa 7 29 3 8 1 0 2 5 1 4 .276 .300 .517 .817 0 0 0 
Marwin Gonzalez 7 24 3 5 2 0 1 2 4 5 .208 .321 .417 .738 0 0 0 
Josh Reddick 7 24 3 4 1 0 0 0 2 5 .167 .231 .208 .439 0 0 0 
George Springer 7 29 8 11 3 0 5 7 5 8 .379 .471 1.000 1.471 0 0 0

Cody Bellinger 7 28 4 4 2 1 1 5 1 17 .143 .172 .393 .565 0 0 1
Corey Seager 7 27 4 6 1 0 1 4 3 9 .222 .290 .370 .661 0 0 0 
Chris Taylor 7 27 4 6 2 0 1 3 4 5 .222 .344 .407 .751 0 1 0 
Justin Turner 7 25 4 4 2 0 1 2 4 4 .160 .323 .360 .683 0 0 1 

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Dallas Keuchel 2 2 5.23 0 1 0 0 10.1 11 7 6 3 7 1.355
Justin Verlander 2 2 3.75 0 1 0 0 12.0 5 5 5 2 14 0.583 

Yu Darvish 2 2 21.60 0 2 0 0 3.1 9 9 8 2 0 3.300
Kenley Jansen 6 0 3.12 0 1 2 0 8.2 6 3 3 2 8 0.923 
Clayton Kershaw 3 2 4.02 1 0 0 0 15.2 9 7 7 5 17 0.894 
   16. Chris Fluit Posted: December 04, 2017 at 07:16 PM (#5586096)
2017 Prelim

1. Jose Altuve, 2B, Houston Astros: does everything- 164 OPS+, +4 baserunning and +3 fielding
2. Joey Votto, 1B, Cincinnati Reds: 168 OPS+ leads NL; 155 RC is 2nd in MLB; +11 fielding ain't too shabby either
3. Corey Kluber, P, Cleveland Indians: the best pitcher by fear thanks to a 202 ERA+ and 201 IP
4. Aaron Judge, RF, New York Yankees: 171 OPS+ and a respectable +9 fielding
5. Giancarlo Stanton, RF, Miami Marlins: 165 OPS+ and +10 fielding
6. Mike Trout, CF, Los Angeles Angels: an MLB leading 187 OPS+ in an injury shortened season
7. Max Scherzer, P, Washington Nationals: best pitcher in the NL with a 177 ERA+ in 200 IP
8. Charlie Blackmon, CF, Colorado Rockies: 142 OPS+ and NL leading 157 RC
9. Jose Ramirez, 3B/2B, Cleveland Indians: 145 OPS+ and 126 RC while playing two tough defensive positions
10. Nolan Arenado, 3B, Colorado Rockies: 132 OPS+ and +20 fielding
11. Chris Sale, P, Boston Red Sox: 157 ERA+ and MLB leading 214 IP
12. Clayton Kershaw, P, Los Angeles Dodgers: 180 ERA+ in only 175 IP
13. Carlos Correa, SS, Houston Astros: huge numbers like a 158 OPS+ in a partial season
14. Steven Strasburg, P, Washington Nationals: 176 ERA+ in only 175 IP
15. Freddie Freeman, 1B/3B, Atlanta Braves: yet another player putting up huge numbers in a partial season

16. Anthony Rendon, 3B, Washington Nationals
17. Zack Cozart, SS, Cincinnati Reds
18. Gio Gonzalez, P, Washington Nationals
19. Zack Greinke, P, Arizona Diamondbacks
20. Justin Turner, 3B, Los Angeles Dodgers

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