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Most Meritorious Player: 2019 Discussion

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Player			WS	bWAR
Cody Bellinger		33.9	9.0
Alex Bregman		34.7	8.4
Mike Trout		33.5	8.3
Marcus Semien		33.2	8.1
Christian Yelich	33.0	7.1
Ketel Marte		28.2	6.9
Mookie Betts		27.0	6.8
Matt Chapman		23.9	6.7
Trevor Story		22.4	6.4
Anthony Rendon		30.4	6.3
George Springer		24.1	6.2
Josh Donaldson		25.9	6.1
DJ LeMahieu		28.9	6.0
Nolan Arenado		24.4	5.7
Max Muncy		23.2	5.7
Jorge Polanco		25.0	5.7
Ronald Acuna		27.3	5.5
Aaron Judge		17.4	5.4
Rafael Devers		23.4	5.3
Xander Bogaerts		25.5	5.2
Matt Olson		20.3	5.1
Pete Alonso		27.0	5.0
Jeff McNeil		23.5	5.0
Javier Baez		17.3	4.8
Ozzie Albies		29.1	4.8
Francisco Lindor	22.4	4.7
Kolten Wong		23.9	4.7
Juan Soto		25.3	4.7
Yoan Moncada		26.1	4.6
Michael Brantley	19.4	4.6
Nick Ahmed		16.4	4.5
Freddie Freeman		26.2	4.4
Carlos Santana		23.9	4.5
Gleyber Torres		26.0	3.9
Josh Bell		24.1	2.9
JT Realmuto		24.0	4.4
Mitch Garver	16.7		4.0
Yasmani Grandal		21.5	2.5


Pitcher 		WS	bWAR
Jacob deGrom		18.4	7.9
Justin Verlander	21.2	7.8
Mike Minor		18.2	7.6
Lance Lynn		18.1	7.6
Gerrit Cole		20.4	6.8
Stephen Strasburg	17.5	6.5
Zack Greinke		19.4	6.4
Jack Flaherty		16.3	6.0
Eduardo Rodriguez	14.3	6.0
Max Scherzer		14.9	5.8
Lucas Giolito		14.8	5.6
Mike Soroka		16.7	5.6
Sonny Gray		16.1	5.6
Patrick Corbin		15.9	5.4
Hyun-jin Ryu		17.0	5.3
Charlie Morton		17.0	5.0
Shane Bieber		18.9	4.9
John Means		 8.9	4.6
Luis Castillo		15.9	4.4
Mike Clevinger		14.3	4.2
Marcus Stroman		12.6	4.1
Zach Wheeler		10.6	4.1
Jon Gray		12.1	4.0
Aaron Nola		14.2	3.9
Kyle Hendricks		12.5	3.9
Clayton Kershaw		14.6	3.6

Liam Hendriks		16.6	3.5
Brandon Workman		15.1	3.2
Kirby Yates		13.4	2.8
Felipe Rivero		11.0	2.8
Aaron Bummer		10.1	2.8
Josh Hader		14.9	2.6
Hansel Robles		14.1	2.6
Emilio Pagan		14.6	2.4

 

DL from MN Posted: October 10, 2019 at 11:11 AM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: October 10, 2019 at 11:12 AM (#5888822)
Get your prelim in before the playoffs end. Remember, ANYONE can vote in an MMP election.
   2. lieiam Posted: October 12, 2019 at 03:43 PM (#5889797)
Here's my prelim ballot. I don't normally include playoffs in my ratings so it likely will stay the same. This is my usual "uber-stat blender" method and available to me for this total was WAR from baseball reference, fangraphs, and baseball gauge as well as Win Shares and WSAB.

1 BREGMAN, ALEX 9746
2 BELLINGER, CODY 9706
3 TROUT, MIKE 9504
4 YELICH, CHRISTIAN 9072
5 SEMIEN, MARCUS 8906
6 RENDON, ANTHONY 7794
7 VERLANDER, JUSTIN 7750
8 BETTS, MOOKIE 7514
9 COLE, GERRIT 7499
10 MARTE, KETEL 7438
11 DEGROM, JACOB 7410
12 LEMAHIEU, DJ 7187
13 SPRINGER, GEORGE 7006
14 ALONSO, PETE 6969
15 CHAPMAN, MATT 6953
16 LYNN, LANCE 6911
17 GREINKE, ZACK 6697
18 ACUNA, RONALD 6559
19 MONCADA, YOAN 6498
20 MINOR, MIKE 6455
21 ALBIES,OZZIE 6270
22 ARENADO, NOLAN 6244
23 BOGAERTS, XANDER 6237
24 DONALDSON, JOSH 6156
25 DEVERS, RAFAEL 6147
26 STRASBURG, STEPHEN 6119
27 SOTO, JUAN 6094
28 BIEBER, SHANE 6009
29 MORTON, CHARLIE 5955
30 MUNCY, MAX 5896

   3. progrockfan Posted: October 16, 2019 at 03:24 PM (#5891130)
Mike Trout in 2019:

April OPS - 1.052
May OPS - 1.032
June OPS - 1.081
July OPS - 1.214
August OPS - 1.034
September OPS - 1.117

League leads in OBP, slugging, OPS and OPS+, intentional walks (of course), adjusted batting runs & wins, offensive win percentage - plus 85% base stealing just for laughs.

To me this seems like a no-brainer, and a test case for why blind adherence to any given 'uber-stat' is likely to produce nonsensical results. But that's just me - YMM of course V.
   4. progrockfan Posted: October 17, 2019 at 02:53 PM (#5891375)
Y'know, I can be quite tone-deaf at times... Please note that no offense whatsoever was or is intended by my last post, to @lieiam or indeed to any adherent to uber-stats. I may differ with a given methodology, but I always appreciate the analytical rigor - and, of course, the contribution to the general debate.
   5. kwarren Posted: October 18, 2019 at 12:44 AM (#5891506)
Staying healthy is a skill, which uber-stats take into account, but obviously the Post #3 & #4 do not. It is pretty clear that inferior could "have more merit" simply by playing more games. Like I said staying healthy is a big deal, and was not mentioned in either of these posts. Trout did not do so well in this metric this season. That should count for something and both Win Shares, WAR, runs created, defensive runs saved all take his lack of playing time into account. I do not believe that this is a weakness or problem with "uber stats". It is certainly not nonsensical to think that Bellinger and Bregman had more merit than Trout in 2019.

Something else the the "uber stats" take into account that the preceding posts haven't is defense:

Bregman 4.8 RS
Bellinger 3.4 RS
Trout -0.3 RS

Trout trails significantly here

   6. bjhanke Posted: October 20, 2019 at 06:53 AM (#5892274)
Wait. DL - Did you mean that everyone has to put up a prelim before the playoffs ended? Because the playoffs ended tonight, before I read this, and there are almost no prelims up now. Do long-term veterans of the project, like me, have to put up prelims? If so, and for everyone else who'd like to join the project, can the deadline be extended to the end of the World Series? I'm probably getting anxious over nothing, but sometimes it's danger to not get anxious. Thanks for whatever the procedure actually is - Brock
   7. DL from MN Posted: October 21, 2019 at 09:59 AM (#5892459)
No, I meant that people had the opportunity to post a prelim based on just the regular season stats. The election won't end until December 4.
   8. Chris Fluit Posted: October 22, 2019 at 09:29 AM (#5892722)
2019 Prelim- AL only

1. Alex Bregman, 3B/SS, Houston Astros
2. Mike Trout, CF, Los Angeles Angels: one of the closest finishes, Bregman needs every bit of his games played advantage plus defensive credit for filling in at short to surpass Trout's big lead in OPS+
3. Justin Verlander, P, Houston Astros
4. Gerrit Cole, O, Houston Astros: even closer than Bregman & Trout with Verlander's small IP advantage outweighing Cole's ERA+ lead
5. Marcus Semien, SS, Oakland Athletics
6. Xander Bogaerts, SS, Boston Red Sox: huge defensive disparity as Semien is +5 fielding while Bogaerts is -21
7. Mookie Betts, RF, Boston Red Sox
8. DJ LeMahieu, 2B/3B, New York Yankees
9. Nelson Cruz, DH, Minnesota Twins
10. Jorge Polanco, SS, Minnesota Twins
11. George Springer, CF/RF, Houston Astros
12. Rafael Devers, 3B, Boston Red Sox: with Bogaerts, Betts and Devers, the offense wasn't the problem in Boston
13. Shane Bieber, Cleveland Indians: for all the talk about Lynn, Minor and Morton, Bieber ended the season as the third best pitcher in the AL
14. Carlos Santana, 1B, Cleveland Indians
15. Mike Minor, P, Texas Rangers
   9. Chris Fluit Posted: October 22, 2019 at 09:30 AM (#5892723)
Wait. DL - Did you mean that everyone has to put up a prelim before the playoffs ended? Because the playoffs ended tonight,
The playoffs aren't over, Brock. We still have this whole World Series thing to go yet.

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