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Monday, August 02, 2004

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yest helps us out double-checking the plaques for accuracy.

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The current roster (246 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position):

Pitchers (66): Pete Alexander+, Kevin Brown+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Roger Clemens+**, Stan Coveleski, David Cone, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Rick Reuschel, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Tom Seaver+**, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*.

Catchers (20): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Mike Piazza+, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe TorreQuincy Trouppe and Deacon White+.

First Basemen (21): Cap Anson+, Jeff Bagwell+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, Rafael Palmeiro, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, and Bill Terry+.

Second Basemen (22): Roberto Alomar+, Ross Barnes+, Craig Biggio+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+.

Third Basemen (19): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken BoyerJimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Eddie Mathews+, John McGraw, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson.

Shortstops (26): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, Barry Larkin+, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+.

Left Fielders (23): Jesse Burkett, Barry Bonds+*, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Rickey Henderson+*, Monte Irvin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+.

Center Fielders (26): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard BrownPete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, George Gore+, Billy Hamilton+Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn.

Right Fielders (22): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Enos Slaughter+, Reggie Smith, Sam Thompson, Larry Walker+, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+.

Designated Hitters (1): Edgar Martinez+

+ first-year candidate honorees (140)

* unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (16)

** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (9)

2012 Franchise Cap Standings
1.   Giants - 19 (Bonds, Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe,
     Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2.   Cubs - 17 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett,
     BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T.  Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn,
     Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T.  Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson,
     Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T.  Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller,
     Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T.  Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick,
     Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
6T.  Athletics - 12 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Henderson, McGwire, Plank,
     ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8.   Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline,
     Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
9T.  Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts,
     Schmidt, Thompson)
9T.  Reds - 10 (Bench, CJones, Groh, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
9T. Dodgers - 10 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, 
     Vance, Wheat)
12T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
12T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
12T.  Red Sox - 9 (Boggs, Clemens, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, RSmith, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15T. Orioles - 6 (Murray, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
17.  Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 4 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw)
18T. Astros - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, JWynn)
18T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
18T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
18T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
18T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
18T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
18T. Montreal Expos - 3 (GCarter, Dawson, Raines)
18T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
26T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
26T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
26T. Blue Jays - 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
26T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
26T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
26T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
26T. Mets - 2 (Cone, Seaver)
26T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
26T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
26T  Rangers - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
26T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
26T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen)
38T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
38T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy)
38T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
38T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
38T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
38T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
38T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
38T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
38T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
38T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
38T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
38T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
38T. Mariners - 1 (Martinez)
38T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
38T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
38T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
38T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
38T  Rockies - 1 (Walker)
38T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
2012 Cap Standings by City
1T.  Chicago - 29 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, 
E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, 
Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, 
Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams)
1T.  New York - 29 (Berra, Bresnahan, Cone, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, 
DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, 
Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, 
Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams)
3.   Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton,
Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank,
Roberts, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell)
4T.  Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, 
Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, 
Sewell, Speaker, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young)
4T.  St. Louis - 18 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Frisch, B. Gibson, 
Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, 
Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells)
6.   Boston - 17 (Barnes, Boggs, Clemens, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, 
McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, 
G. Wright, Yastrzemski)
7T.  Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, 
Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, 
Whitaker)
7T.  Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, 
J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner)
9T.  Baltimore - 10 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, 
Murray, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson)
9T.  Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, 
J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
9T.  Cincinnati - 10 (Bench, Groh, Jones, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, 
F. Robinson, Rose, Roush)
12. San Francisco - 7 (Bonds, Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry)
13. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen)
14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire)
16. Los Angeles - 4 (Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, D. Sutton)
17T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T. Houston - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, J. Wynn)
17T. Montreal - 3 (Carter, Dawson, Raines)
17T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
17T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson)
22T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan)
22T. Arlington - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
221T. N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms)
22T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
22T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
22T. Toronto – 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
28T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
28T. Atlanta - 1 (Niekro)
28T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy)
28T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
28T. Denver - 1 (Walker)
28T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
28T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
28T. Louisville – 1 (Browning)
28T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
28T. Seattle – 1 (Martinez)

* Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.

2012 Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no 
knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital:
1.   New York (42)
2.   Pennsylvania (33)
3T.  Illinois (28)
3T.  Ohio (28)
5.   Missouri (23)
6.   California (20)
7.   Massachusetts (17)
8.   Michigan (13)
9.   Maryland (10)
10.  Wisconsin (6)
11.  Texas (5)
12T. Minnesota (3)
12T. Quebec (3)
12T. District of Columbia (3)
15T. Cuba (2)
15T. New Jersey (2)
15T. Rhode Island (2)
15T. Georgia (2)
15T. Indiana (2)
15T. Kentucky (2)
15T. Ontario (2)
22T. Colorado (1)
22T. Oregon (1)



Note all mentions of Win Shares on plaques are adjusted to 162 games.

All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP).

Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type.

Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque.

Here are the plaques of the most recent inductees:


Barry Bonds - 2013 - LF
18.8 seasons with Pittsburgh (NL) 1986-1992; San Francisco (NL) 1993-2007
Cap: San Francisco Giants (NL)
Like his godfather Willie Mays, Barry Bonds’ impact on baseball left many in awe. Widely considered as one of the best players of all-time, he was unanimously placed first on every Hall of Merit ballot in his first year of consideration. A great all-around player early in his career who evolved into the most intimidating hitter ever (he has each of the top three and six of the top ten seasons of accumulated intentional walks), Bonds’ name is everywhere in the record books. He led the league in Runs (1992), HR (1993 and 2001, when he established a new single-season record 73), RBI (1993) BB (1992, 1994-1997, 2000-2004, 2006-2007), IBB (1992-1998, 2002-2004, 2006-2007), TB (1993), BA (2002, 2004), OBP (1991-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, 2006-2007, with 2004’s .609 and 2002’s .582 being the top two seasonal OBPs in baseball history) SLG (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004, which includes the MLB record of .863, set in 2001), OPS (1990-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, including the top two marks in history in 2004’s 1.422 and 2002’s 1.381), and OPS+ (1990-1993, 2000-2004, including the top three marks in MLB history, in 2002’s 268, 2004’s 263, and 2001’s 259). His 2004 season was also noteworthy in that he became the first player to have a season with more times on base than at bats (376 vs. 373). Bonds’ individual season dominance added up, as at the time of his induction he ranked in the top ten all-time in PA (9th – 12,606), Runs (3rd – 2,207), TB (4th – 5,796), HR (1st – 762), RBI (4th – 1,996), BB (1st – 2,558), IBB (1st – 688), XBH (2nd – 1,440), AB/HR (3rd – 12.9), times on-base (2nd – 5,599), OBP (6th - .444), SLG (6th - .607), OPS (4th – 1.051), and OPS+ (3rd – 182). Bonds is also the only player in the history of the game to reach the 500 marks in both career HR and career SB. He played on six division winning teams (1990-1992 with Pittsburgh and 1997, 2000, 2003 with San Francisco) and with the wild-card winning Giants in 2002 submitted a World Series performance for the ages, hitting .471/.700/1.294 with 4 HR in a losing effort. He holds the all-time Giants records in BB (1,947), IBB (575) OBP (.447), SLG (.666), OPS (1.143), and OPS+ (199). Fourteen-time All-Star (1990, 1992-1998, 2000-2004, 2007) who won 12 Silver Slugger awards (1990-1994, 1996-1997, 2000-2004), eight Gold Gloves (1990-1994, 1996-1998), and a record seven MVP awards (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004).

Roger Clemens - 2013 - P
Boston (AL) 1984-1996; Toronto (AL) 1997-1998; New York (AL) 1999-2003, 2007; Houston (NL) 2004-2006
Cap: Boston Red Sox (AL)
Known as the Rocket for his fiery temperament and overpowering fastball, Roger Clemens is considered by many as the best post-WWII pitcher—if not the best in all of baseball history. A workhorse pitcher who twice struck out 20 batters in a game, Clemens dominated the pitching landscape during his career. He led the league in wins (1986-1987, 1997-1998), winning percentage (1986, 2001, 2004), CG (1987-1988, 1997), SHO (1987-1988, 1990-1992, 1997), IP (1991, 1997), SO (1988, 1991, 1996-1998), ERA (1986, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2005), WHIP (1986, 1992, 1997), ERA+ (1986, 1990-1992, 1994, 1997-1998, 2005), H/9 (1986, 1994, 1998, 2005), SO/9 (1988, 1996, 1998), and SO/BB (1987-1988, 1990, 1992). Clemens was on two World Series winning teams (1999 and 2000 with the Yankees) along with seven other division winners (1986, 1988, 1990, 1995 with Boston and 2001-2003 with New York) and three wild-card winners (2004-2005 with Houston and 2007 with New York). Clemens’ 199 postseason innings are the fourth most all-time and his 173 strikeouts rank third all-time at the time of his induction. In his eight World Series starts, he went 3-0 with a 2.37 ERA and 49 strikeouts. For his career, Clemens ended up with the 9th most wins (354), 16th most innings pitched (4,916.2), third in strikeouts (4,672), seventh in games started (707), and tenth in ERA+ (143). All-time Red Sox leader in wins (192), SO (2,590), and SHO (38). Eleven-time All-Star (1986, 1988, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2001, 2003-2005) who won seven Cy Young awards (1986-1987, 1991, 1997-1998, 2001, 2004) and an MVP award (1986).

Mike Piazza - 2013 - C
12.2 seasons with Los Angeles (NL) 1992-1998; Florida (NL) 1998; New York (NL) 1998-2005; San Diego (NL) 2006; Oakland (AL) 2007
Cap: Los Angeles Dodgers (NL)
Considered by many to be the best-hitting catcher in Major League history, Mike Piazza hit like a first baseman while playing the most demanding position on the field. A 62nd round draft pick in 1988, Piazza made all the other teams look like fools for not drafting him in 1993 as he won the Rookie of the Year award by hitting .318/.370/.561 (153 OPS+) with 35 HR and 112 RBI. That rookie season announced Piazza as a force to be reckoned with for a long time, as it was his first of ten seasons wherein he would put up an OPS+ of 135 or better, leading the league in both 1995 (172) and 1997 (185). By the time Piazza retired, he held the record for the most HR (427, 396 while playing catcher) and highest slugging percentage (.545) for a catcher. Piazza hit .412/.545/.941 in the NLCS against the St. Louis Cardinals to help the 2000 wild-card winner New York Mets reach the World Series, and was also on two division winners (1995 Dodgers and 2006 Padres) and two other wild-card winners (1996 Dodgers and 1999 Mets). Twelve-time All-Star (1993-2002, 2004-2005) who won ten consecutive Silver Slugger awards (1993-2002). Has the highest career OPS+ in Dodgers history (160) and highest career SLG in Mets history (.542).

Craig Biggio - 2013 - 2B/C/CF
18.0 seasons with Houston (NL) 1988-2007
Cap: Houston Astros (NL)
A gritty player known for doing whatever it took to help the team, from getting hit by pitches (he led the league five times and has the second-most all-time with 285) to changing positions (he moved from C to 2B to CF to LF back to 2B over his long career), Craig Biggio’s impact on the field was undeniable. In 1992 the Astros moved Biggio from C to 2B in an effort to maximize his odds of being able to play every day and the gamble worked out as he quickly became the best 2B in the National League, a position he would hold throughout the 1990s. A sparkplug at the top of the lineup (one of only eight players with both 3,000 hits and 400 stolen bases), Biggio led the league in games played three times (1992, 1996-1997), PA five times (1992, 1995, 1997-1999), Runs twice (1995, 1997), 2B three times (1994, 1998, 1999) and SB once (1994). An integral member of the “Killer Bs” along with long-time teammate Jeff Bagwell, Biggio spent his entire career with the Astros and was part of four division winners (1997-1999, 2001) and two wild-card winners (2004-2005) making the World Series in 2005 (the first Houston team to win a pennant). At his induction, Biggio ranked in the top 25 all-time in G (16th—2,850), PA (10th—12,504), R (15th—1,844), H (21st—3,060), 2B (5th—668) and times on base (18th—4,505). Seven-time All-Star (1991-1992, 1994-1998) who won five Silver Slugger awards (1989, 1994-1995, 1997-1998) and four Gold Gloves (1994-1997). He holds the franchise record for most G, PA, R, H, TB (4,711), 2B, XBH (1,014), HBP, and times on base.

Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: August 02, 2004 at 05:37 PM | 1460 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rob Wood Posted: June 03, 2003 at 03:07 AM (#513791)
These are great. I notice a typo in George Gore's description. I think you mean "Eight times top-5" (missing the "p"). Typo also in Jim O'Rourke (consistent is misspelled).
   2. Philip Posted: June 03, 2003 at 03:08 PM (#513792)
Didn't O'Rourke win any MVP awards?
   3. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2003 at 06:43 PM (#513798)
.Given his affinity for Buffalo and how hard he fought to stay there, I'd bet the Deacon would have chosen their cap if given a say in the matter. Remember that he went back there in 1890 when given a choice by the Player's League.

It's close. His Win Shares for Buffalo are probably in the same range as he would have had at Boston. Whether he would have approved or not shouldn't be the criteria, however (though I'm anal about this).
   4. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2003 at 06:43 PM (#513799)
Whether he would have approved or not shouldn't be the criteria, however (though I'm not anal about this).
   5. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2003 at 07:11 PM (#513801)
I don't have a problem with Reggie wearning a Yankee hat instead on an A's hat,

I do. His Yankee years were not even close to the value of his A's years (and three homeruns in a single WS game are not nearly enough to tip the scales).

but I would have a problem with Clemens wearing a Yankee hat instead of a Boston one.

Agreed.

I don't think Nolan Ryan should have been allowed to wear a Rangers hat, he should have had to have picked between California and Houston.

I'd go with the Angels.
   6. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2003 at 07:13 PM (#513802)
BTW, just so that I'm clear, I think White should be wearing a Buffalo hat.
   7. jimd Posted: June 05, 2003 at 07:22 PM (#513803)
His Win Shares for Buffalo are probably in the same range as he would have had at Boston.

Not likely. WARP3 has any two of his 4 Boston years totaling more than his 5 Buffalo years combined. That said, if he and Dan and Pud and Hardy (if they ever get elected) want to wear Bison caps (pretty good team to never win anything), fine by me. I thought I read somewhere that Cy Young wanted a Spiders cap but the HOF wouldn't go along, or am I mixing that up with somebody else, some other time?
   8. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 05, 2003 at 07:56 PM (#513804)
Not likely. WARP3 has any two of his 4 Boston years totaling more than his 5 Buffalo years combined.

You're probably right. I didn't do a detailed analysis of his NA numbers. Damn Bill James for not including Win Shares for that league! :-)
   9. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 14, 2003 at 05:00 AM (#513814)
If the reader is interested in just 'how many years did this guy play,' then they can just add up the individual seasons from the team info, right?

... or click onto the hyperlink? :-)
   10. dan b Posted: June 17, 2003 at 05:08 PM (#513815)
Would Ward have refused to attend the induction ceremony if he couldn't wear a Brooklyn Ward's Wonders cap?
   11. MattB Posted: June 27, 2003 at 08:19 PM (#513817)
Saw this link over at Primate Studies about the correct Replacement Level to use:

http://premium.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2032&mode=print&nocache=1056622106

The article, and the discussion at Primate Studies:
http://www.baseballprimer.com/studies/archives/00000028.shtml#comments_15

sheds some more light on what we were discussing earlier about appropriate replacement levels for long-career players.

   12. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 08, 2003 at 05:45 PM (#513820)
Outfield: 3.5

That will change when Delahanty, Hamilton, Van Haltren, Ryan and Duffy are eligible (all who will be on my ballot).
   13. favre Posted: July 17, 2003 at 10:40 PM (#513823)
Ummm, Joe...didn't you elect four inductees in 1898?
   14. favre Posted: July 17, 2003 at 10:40 PM (#513824)
Ummm, Joe...didn't you elect four inductees in 1898?
   15. Paul Wendt Posted: July 29, 2003 at 07:32 PM (#513826)
jimd (#4):
I thought I read somewhere that Cy Young wanted a Spiders cap but the HOF wouldn't go along, or am I mixing that up with somebody else, some other time?

When was the first batch of Cooperstown plaques designed, produced, displayed? Which inductees were included in the first batch?

Considering Cy Young's stature in 1939, and what he achieved in Cleveland, I am surprised by the anecdote jimd tentatively reported, but I don't know that it is false.

Paul Wendt, Watertown MA

P.S. Has anyone published the list of STATS Inc. Award winners from 1876 to date on the web?

   16. jimd Posted: July 29, 2003 at 08:31 PM (#513828)
To my knowledge, there are no HOF hats for any of the 19th century teams that did not survive into the 20th. Not even the 1890's Orioles. Young has a Cleveland Naps hat.
   17. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 19, 2003 at 05:47 PM (#513830)
Are we going to induct Hamilton as a Beaneater? His value was greatest there so Boston would be my pick.
   18. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 19, 2003 at 06:53 PM (#513832)
I dunno John 6 of his 8 best OPS+ (just eyeballing quick) were in Philly. I'd think he's a Phightin Phillie . . . am I missing something?

No, I was wrong. Philly it is. First one for that team.
   19. Rob Wood Posted: August 26, 2003 at 08:26 PM (#513833)
Have the recent electees been enshrined in the HOM plaque room yet? It doesn't seem so.
   20. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 13, 2003 at 04:50 PM (#513836)
He played for the Forest City Club of Rockford from 1868 to 1870. Before 1868, the Forest City Club wasn't "major league," so I wouldn't include them.
   21. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 13, 2003 at 04:55 PM (#513837)
BTW, I would include those same years for Spalding's teammate Ross Barnes' plaque.
   22. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 13, 2003 at 05:29 PM (#513838)
For Jim O'Rourke, I would include his season with the Middletown Mansfields in '71. For Deacon White, his seasons (1869-1870) with the Forest City Club of Cleveland were at the highest level of competition. For George Wright, his years with the Washington Nationals (1867-1868) and Cincinnati Red Stockings (1869-1870) definitely deserve a mention.
   23. Paul Wendt Posted: November 16, 2003 at 11:47 PM (#513842)
George Wright played for Washington only in 1867.
1868: Unions of Morrisania, or "Morrisania[NY] Unions"??
(officially the defending champions)
1866: probably not worth the trouble to list two clubs
   24. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 17, 2003 at 12:02 AM (#513843)
George Wright played for Washington only in 1867.

You're correct, Paul. I got that information off a website. If I had my Baseball's First Stars at the time, I wouldn't have had made that mistake.
   25. Paul Wendt Posted: November 17, 2003 at 12:15 AM (#513844)
Ezra Sutton played for Cleveland in 1870. Bill Ryczek lists him as the regular 3Bman.
[When Johnny Came Sliding Home Appendix B]

Ryczek does not list Wright as a regular for either Unions or Gothams in 1866.

Five of the plaques lack the count of seasons.
There is a stray comma in Radbourn ", 1881".

   26. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 01, 2003 at 10:39 PM (#513854)
No problem, Sean! No problem, Sean! No problem, Sean! No problem, Sean! :-D
   27. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 24, 2003 at 10:15 PM (#513860)
Sean:

I made up a plaque fot the Kid a while back, but that scoundrel Dimino misplaced it! :-) I sent him a new copy a few days ago.

Other than that, good job! Maybe Joe could combine the two.
   28. Paul Wendt Posted: January 22, 2004 at 01:59 AM (#513864)
Kid Nichols
The Kid was the ace for the pennant winner of 1897 and the champion Boston teams of 1891, 1892, 1893, and 1898.

Re the pennant and the championship, I would say "The Kid was the ace for champion Boston teams of 1891, 1892, 1893, 1897 and 1898" (or 1891-93 and 1897-98).

If you want to distinguish (world) champions from pennant winners, there is more work to be done. Eg, Radbourn led Providence to the pennant and the first "world" championship.

   29. Paul Wendt Posted: January 22, 2004 at 02:04 AM (#513865)
Kid Nichols
The Kid was the ace for the pennant winner of 1897 and the champion Boston teams of 1891, 1892, 1893, and 1898.

Re the pennant and the championship, I would say "The Kid was the ace for champion Boston teams of 1891, 1892, 1893, 1897 and 1898" (or 1891-93 and 1897-98).

If you want to distinguish (world) champions from pennant winners, there is more work to be done. Eg, Radbourn led Providence to the pennant and the first "world" championship.

   30. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: January 22, 2004 at 07:50 PM (#513869)
The Spiders and Blues were two distinct franchises, right?

Yes, though it's a little complicated.

The first "Cleveland Blues" team was a National League team that began in 1879, and I think were (in some sense) successors to the Indianapolis Blues. But I don't think it was the same "franchise", though calling the late 1870s teams "franchises" is pushing it a bit. They played in the NL until 1884, and after the 1884 season the team folds - to be replaced by the St. Louis team from the Union Association. This first Cleveland Blues team was Glasscock's team.

The second "Cleveland Blues" were an American Association team, who started play in the 1887 season; they had taken the place of the Pittsburgh Alleghenys (the team that is now the Pirates) who defected to the NL after the 1886 season. In 1889, that team also jumped to the National League, renaming itself the Cleveland Spiders. (Columbus took the place of Cleveland in the AA - Incidentally, when the Spiders jumped to the NL, the team improved... whereas the Alleghenys had fallen by 18 games.) This second Cleveland Spiders team was Burkett's team.

In 1900, the team we now know as the Cleveland Indians started as - the Cleveland Blues! They were one of the franchises in the new American League , reaching major league status in 1901. They were known as the Blues for two years, then changed their name to the Cleveland Bronchos in 1902.

This third team became known as the Naps in 1903, and after Lajoie left for the Athletics in 1914, they became known as the Indians, though I would have preferred they continued the tradition of naming the team after the second baseman. "Cleveland Wambsgansses" has a great ring to it.
   31. Paul Wendt Posted: January 23, 2004 at 01:30 AM (#513870)
Relying on Craig B for the history, I think the entry for Glasscock should be
"Hat: Cleveland Blues (NL 1879-84)"
   32. MattB Posted: January 23, 2004 at 02:40 PM (#513872)
I believe that Paul's point is that Cleveland Blues (NL) is ambiguous, as there were two franchises that were named the "Cleveland Blues". I'm not sure I agree, since the second NL franchise was never named the Blues, changing its name after leaving the AA. There was therefore only one "Cleveland Blues (NL)", one Cleveland Blues (AA)", one "Cleveland Spiders (NL)" and one Cleveland Blues/Naps/Indians (AL)". Perhaps if we inducted Chief Zimmer, we would give him a "Cleveland Blues/Spiders (AA/NL)" hat, which would be mildly confusing, but I could live with it.

If the idea is to avoid confusion, then there's likely no real need to change hat-designation-systems until we come to the two franchises named "Washington Senators" in the AL, where a distinction between Senators I and Senators II players would be appropriate.
   33. Paul Wendt Posted: January 24, 2004 at 03:17 AM (#513873)
MattB:
I believe that Paul's point is that Cleveland Blues (NL) is ambiguous, as there were two franchises that were named the "Cleveland Blues".

Yes.

I'm not sure I agree, . . .

He's right about Glasscock. False alarm.

   34. Paul Wendt Posted: January 27, 2004 at 04:05 AM (#513875)
Updated team standings (through 1913) - Cincinnati finally gets on the board, it's about time!

before St Louis, Pittsburgh, or Brooklyn (all 1880s to date)
   35. Chris Cobb Posted: January 30, 2004 at 03:49 AM (#513876)
Fred Clarke is missing from the alphabetical list of HoMers at the top of the page, I believe.
   36. karlmagnus Posted: January 31, 2004 at 07:23 PM (#513878)
Seems a pity to give all those Braves guys to Ted Turner; most of them couldn't have found Atlanta on a map (when did it stop being called "Terminus?") They were BOSTON players, and should be given to the Red Sox!
   37. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 15, 2004 at 04:41 AM (#513882)
ahem....:)

He has them all, Sean, so it's just a matter of time. BTW, if you want to add anything to any of the existing ones, send Joe an e-mail (I'm assuming this is the Sean who helped me with the Kid Nichols plaque).
   38. Paul Wendt Posted: March 16, 2004 at 04:53 AM (#513886)
<i>Hall of Famers that we've passed on and probably won't elect (5): Clark Griffith, Frank Chance, Mickey Welch, Addie Joss, Vic Willis.
   39. Paul Wendt Posted: March 16, 2004 at 05:00 AM (#513887)
more on that
   40. Paul Wendt Posted: March 16, 2004 at 05:27 AM (#513888)
We'll leave the current inductees at the top of the list for a week after they are inducted.

Good plan. You will catch up at a rate of one year every year, if you take my meaning.
   41. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 23, 2004 at 07:55 PM (#513892)
I became a inner circle HoMer on the Red Sox

Yes, but you had more of your value with the Spiders. As great as you were with the Pilgrims, you were better in Cleveland.
   42. Paul Wendt Posted: March 24, 2004 at 12:50 AM (#513893)
No American League team is yet represented.

Pittsburgh is newly on the board with Fred Clarke, leaving only St Louis and Brooklyn(Los Angeles) unrepresented, among the eight longtime NL clubs. Bob Caruthers knew those two clubs as winners in the AA; decades later they became bigger all-time winners than their NL mates who are already represented here.
   43. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 24, 2004 at 01:21 AM (#513894)
Paul, I'm curious: Of the available candidates, who do you think was a mistake and who should have been in the HoM a long time ago?
   44. EricC Posted: March 24, 2004 at 02:24 AM (#513895)
Paul, I'm curious: Of the available candidates, who do you think was a mistake and who should have been in the HoM a long time ago?

No, Paul, don't do it! I'd like to think of you as the Switzerland of posters.
   45. Marc Posted: March 24, 2004 at 04:23 AM (#513896)
Well, I know Paul as an aficianado of 19th century baseball. Switzerland, no? More France and Germany. You know, "old (19th century) Europe."
   46. Howie Menckel Posted: March 24, 2004 at 04:41 AM (#513897)
I'm with Eric C.
   47. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 24, 2004 at 04:49 AM (#513898)
Okay, okay! I'm sorry I brought it up! :-)

What's that 1960s Marvel Comics character? The Watcher? That's Paul Wendt...

I'm more of a DC guy, so maybe he's the Phantom Stranger.
   48. Howie Menckel Posted: March 24, 2004 at 05:47 AM (#513899)
DC? That's to Marvel what Spam is to Filet Mignon. A lot of the characters were pure Marvel knockoffs, no?
   49. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 24, 2004 at 06:00 AM (#513900)
DC? That's to Marvel what Spam is to Filet Mignon. A lot of the characters were pure Marvel knockoffs, no?

Well, I was reading comics during the seventies, so I would say both companies stole liberally from both sides.
   50. Jeff M Posted: March 25, 2004 at 12:25 AM (#513902)
DC? That's to Marvel what Spam is to Filet Mignon. A lot of the characters were pure Marvel knockoffs, no?

I'm not sure. Didn't DC have Superman, Batman, Aquaman and Wonder Woman? I agree Howie that the Marvel characters were much more interesting to me, but I think DC held its own.

I liked Spiderman, Iron Man and the Fantastic Four, in that order.
   51. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 25, 2004 at 12:33 AM (#513904)
I liked Spiderman, Iron Man and the Fantastic Four, in that order.

Of the Marvel characters, I would go with Spiderman, the Hulk, Captain America and the Fantastic Four.

With DC, definitely Batman (my favorite), then the Justice League of America, the Flash, Green Lantern and Superman.
   52. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 25, 2004 at 12:37 AM (#513905)
Yes, and when Pete "Galactus" Rose shows up to enter the HOM, he will summon the Fantastic Four of John Murphy, JoeDimino, Chris J, and karlmagnus to defeat him. ;)

You can count on me, but I'm not sure about the others (especially Joe), though the Hustler is undeniably qualified.
   53. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 25, 2004 at 12:47 AM (#513907)
Do you guys think it would be better for us to organize this page by position instead of alphabetically.

I think it's a great idea, Joe!
   54. Jeff M Posted: March 25, 2004 at 04:11 AM (#513914)
With DC, definitely Batman (my favorite), then the Justice League of America, the Flash, Green Lantern and Superman.

Forgot about Green Lantern. I liked him a lot.

I think Chris Cobb is Batman, because he has lots of statistical "gadgets".

We'll make JoeDimino Spiderman, since he's responsible for this "Web" project.

I'd like to be the Green Hornet, if there are no objections. :)
   55. Marc Posted: March 25, 2004 at 04:42 AM (#513915)
I think of this as the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

George Wright played with the barnstorming and nearly unbeaten Washington Nationals in 1867, then in 1869 and 1870 he was the unquestioned star of the Cincinnati Red Stockings, the first all-pro baseball team, which won (what?) 112 games in a row or something like that.

It was the Brooklyn Atlantics of Joe Start and Dickey Pearce who finally ended that streak. Start drove in the winning run.

In 1871 when the NA was started, George was pretty much acknowledged as the greatest player in the game right then, though Start had probably had the greatest total career to that time. Sorta like Mantle and Williams circa 1958.
   56. Rick A. Posted: March 25, 2004 at 07:37 PM (#513920)
David,

Why don't you vote in our elections? You seem like an intelligent and fun guy. (Plus, you seem to know alot about the pre NL years and would probably have Pike and Pearce pretty high on your ballot. ;-) )
   57. Rick A. Posted: March 25, 2004 at 07:40 PM (#513921)
David,

Why don't you vote in our elections? You seem like an intelligent and fun guy. (Plus, you seem to know alot about the pre NL years and would probably have Pike and Pearce pretty high on your ballot. ;-) )
   58. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 25, 2004 at 07:46 PM (#513922)
Why don't you vote in our elections? You seem like an intelligent and fun guy. (Plus, you seem to know alot about the pre NL years and would probably have Pike and Pearce pretty high on your ballot. ;-) )

What Rick said. :-D
   59. AAAAA Posted: March 26, 2004 at 04:30 PM (#513924)
Not to be too obvious, but why not organize the HoM plaque room like the HoF at www.baseballhalloffame.com? They actually do a good job with the recent electees, searchable lists for previous electees, teams, positions, vote totals, you name it.

Just a thought.
   60. AAAAA Posted: March 26, 2004 at 04:35 PM (#513925)
Not to be too obvious, but why not organize the HoM plaque room like the HoF at www.baseballhalloffame.com? They actually do a good job with the recent electees, searchable lists for previous electees, teams, positions, vote totals, you name it.

Just a thought.
   61. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 26, 2004 at 06:31 PM (#513926)
Yest and Evan make good points. BTW Evan, are you planning to join our group?
   62. AAAAA Posted: March 26, 2004 at 08:09 PM (#513927)
Been thinking about it, just have no idea where I'll manage to find the time to actually put together a ballot every two weeks...
   63. AAAAA Posted: March 26, 2004 at 08:14 PM (#513928)
Been thinking about it, just have no idea where I'll manage to find the time to actually put together a ballot every two weeks...
   64. jimd Posted: March 27, 2004 at 12:17 AM (#513929)
Evan, actually, the first ballot is the hardest. After that the inflow of new candidates is fairly manageable, though not to say there aren't any difficult decisions.
   65. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: March 27, 2004 at 12:35 AM (#513930)
Which makes this a very good time to start. This election & the next aren't going to be particularly controversial.
   66. Paul Wendt Posted: April 19, 2004 at 01:14 AM (#513931)
David Foss #130
   67. Paul Wendt Posted: April 19, 2004 at 01:19 AM (#513932)
David Foss #130
   68. Paul Wendt Posted: April 19, 2004 at 05:00 PM (#513935)
Birth states of HOMers active in 1871, if I tally correctly:

NY 5: Barnes, Start, Sutton, White, Wright,
   69. Paul Wendt Posted: April 19, 2004 at 09:48 PM (#513936)
Howie Menckel published a tally of "regular" HOM-ers thru 1924, by playing season beginning in 1871.
   70. Paul Wendt Posted: April 20, 2004 at 01:04 AM (#513937)
Distribution of 38 championship seasons --reasonably well aligned in some proportional font :-(

o + + + + . o + + + :: Wright
   71. jimd Posted: April 20, 2004 at 02:57 AM (#513938)
IIRC, Wright is also a member of the championship teams of 1867 (Washington Nationals) and 1869-70 (Cincinnati Red Stockings). If that is true, that gives him 10 championships in 13 seasons 1867-1879. Which would mean he could stand next to Bill Russell and not be embarrassed (even if he was a trifle shorter ;-)
   72. Marc Posted: April 20, 2004 at 02:21 PM (#513940)
For those of you who have been riveted by my "reconsideration" posts ;-) I can and will tell you that my one regret was forgetting to include Al Reach in my recon. of 2Bs. He would not be at the bottom of the list.
   73. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 20, 2004 at 04:08 PM (#513941)
For those of you who have been riveted by my "reconsideration" posts ;-)

Actually, they have been worthwhile (even when I disagreed an aspect of one of them).

BTW, I would place Reach higher, too, FWIW.
   74. Paul Wendt Posted: April 22, 2004 at 03:06 PM (#513943)
Spalding and Barnes (from their junior days, 1866 or 1867), Wright and McVey (1869-1870), White and Sutton (1870) were teammates before 1871.

--
   75. DavidFoss Posted: May 16, 2004 at 04:05 PM (#630796)
Bump! Thanks for resurrecting all the old threads Joe!

Many posts -- including the team standings -- have been chopped. Google's cache has been updated and is now post-move. Anyone have the standings saved somewhere?
   76. DavidFoss Posted: July 18, 2004 at 05:03 PM (#740052)
I miss those cap standings... I recreated some standings with the existing plaques/caps only. (through 1918):

1. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, Sutton, GWright)
2. Giants - 6 (Connor, Davis, Ewing, Keefe, Rusie, Ward)
3. Cubs - 5 (Anson, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly)
4. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
5T. Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, Young)
5T. Phillies - 2 (Delahanty, Hamilton)
5T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
8T. Pirates - 1 (Clarke)
8T. Indians - 1 (Flick)
8T. Reds - 1 (McPhee)
8T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
8T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 1 (Start)
8T. Philadephia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
   77. DavidFoss Posted: July 18, 2004 at 06:19 PM (#740195)
I know we usually wait for the plaques to go up (especially because the cap choice is not up to me). But, I wanted to know what the list would look like today.

I put JJackson on the Indians, he played a bit more with the Sox, but his peak was with Indians. With the war and the scandal occuring while on the Sox, the Indians seemed like a decent choice.

Kelley & Keeler went to the old Orioles. Could have put Keeler on the Yankees I suppose, but I went with peak.

PROVISIONAL...
SUBJECT TO CHANGE...
INSERT GENERIC DISCLAIMER HERE.... :-)

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, Davis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, Sutton, GWright)
3. Cubs - 6 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly)
4T. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
4T. Phillies - 4 (Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6. Indians - 3 (Flick, JJackson, Lajoie)
7T. Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
7T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
7T. Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, Young)
7T. Pirates - 2 (Clarke, Wagner)
7T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
12T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 1 (Start)
12T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
12T.Detroit Wolverines (Bennett)
12T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
12T.Philadephia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
12T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
12T.Reds - 1 (McPhee)
12T.Tigers - 1 (Crawford)
12T.White Sox - 1 (Walsh)
12T.Home Run Johnson's Cap - 1
12T.Frank Grant's Cap - 1
12T.Pete Hill's Cap - 1
   78. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 19, 2004 at 11:19 PM (#741901)
I put JJackson on the Indians

That's where I have him, too.

Kelley & Keeler went to the old Orioles. Could have put Keeler on the Yankees I suppose, but I went with peak.

I agree.

12T.Home Run Johnson's Cap - 1
12T.Frank Grant's Cap - 1
12T.Pete Hill's Cap - 1


For Johnson, I have him with the Brooklyn Royal Giants. Grant: Cuban Giants. Pete Hill: Chicago American Giants.
   79. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: July 26, 2004 at 08:58 PM (#756723)
I may be mistaken, but I was always under the impression that Al Spalding played quite a significant role with the White Stockings after his days as a player (he may have been owner/GM, so to speak). Given that, I was a bit surprised to see his hat selection refer to his Boston days.

Am I imagining this?
   80. DavidFoss Posted: July 27, 2004 at 02:43 AM (#757986)
Am I imagining this?

Nope... you are correct. He was born in Byron, IL. Started playing NABBP ball 15 miles NE of there for the Rockford Forest City Club. He played at Rockford from 1867-70 along with Ross Barnes. When the NA formed in 1871 he and Barnes jumped to the new Boston Red Stockings which was made up of many former Cincinnati players. He pitched there from 1871-75. When the NL formed he jumped back home to Illinois as player/manager of Chicago having one year good year on the mound and one mediocre year at first base... plus token appearance in 1878.

According to Nemec's 19th Century Encyclopedia: By 1879, Spalding had become part owner of the Chicago Club. Also in that season, balls manufactured by his sporting goods company had replaced the old Mahn ball. In 1882, upon the death of William Hulbert, Spalding assumed the presidency of the Chicago club. They mention him as performing GM-like duties (the trade of King Kelly, etc). I'm not sure

As for the cap. I guess this is for playing careers. He played 4 years in Rockford, 5 years in Boston and 2+ years in Chicago. His 5 years in Boston comprise most of his peak seasons as well. Its not up to me to pick the caps, but seems reasonable to me.

For the same reasons, if Clark Griffith was every inducted, I would suspect that he would wear a Cub hat and not a Senators one.
   81. DavidFoss Posted: July 27, 2004 at 02:47 AM (#757999)
Ugh... typos... "ever inducted".

Also, the "I'm not sure" was the start of me saying I wasn't sure when he finished him front office duties. He died in 1915. His DeadBall Obitiuary mentions him handing the reins over to James Hart in 1895, though Nemec mentions that Spalding betrayed Anson in 1898 which precipiated Cap's leaving the organization. Evidently, Anson had been promised controlling interest in the club and Spalding later reneged.
   82. DavidFoss Posted: July 27, 2004 at 02:51 AM (#758009)
Thanks to John Murphy for the cap information on Sheckard and Caruthers. As he correctly points out, Caruthers and Wallace are both wearing "St Louis Browns" caps, but the standings list the future names of those franchises.

1930 Standings:

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, Davis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, Sutton, GWright)
2T. Cubs - 7 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly, Sheckard)
4T. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
4T. Phillies - 4 (Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6. Indians - 3 (Flick, JJackson, Lajoie)
7T. Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
7T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
7T. Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, Young)
7T. Pirates - 2 (Clarke, Wagner)
7T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
12T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 1 (Start)
12T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 1 (HRJohnson)
12T.Cardinals - 1 (Caruthers)
12T.Chicago American Giants - 1 - (PHill)
12T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
12T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
12T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
12T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
12T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
12T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
12T.Reds - 1 (McPhee)
12T.Tigers - 1 (Crawford)
12T.White Sox - 1 (Walsh)
   83. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 30, 2004 at 09:01 AM (#764692)
this should go to hot topics now.
   84. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 04:14 PM (#771662)
I'm starting to take care of the cobwebs and dust around here. :-D I'll be finished no later than by the end of the week.

BTW, if there is something that you want to add to a plaque, feel free by posting it here and I'll take a look at it.

Thanks to Jim Furtado and Dan S for allowing me access to the site (and especially to Joe for giving me the chance to take another burden off his back)!
   85. PhillyBooster Posted: August 02, 2004 at 04:50 PM (#771728)
BTW, if there is something that you want to add to a plaque, feel free by posting it here and I'll take a look at it.

Sure, maybe in your free time you could add a plaque for Jake Beckley and Rube Foster? I'm sure no one would notice.
   86. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 04:53 PM (#771739)
Sure, maybe in your free time you could add a plaque for Jake Beckley and Rube Foster? I'm sure no one would notice.

All in good time, PhillyBooster. :-)
   87. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 05:42 PM (#771842)
Baker, Bennett, Brown, Caruthers and Collins have been added. More to come...
   88. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 06:21 PM (#771910)
Crawford, Grant, Hill, Jackson and Johnson are on board.
   89. DavidFoss Posted: August 02, 2004 at 06:21 PM (#771911)
Great work John...

Its a minor semantic nitpick, but I'm a fan of including pennant winners as a super-set of the World Series winners. That would make a total of 6 pennants for Baker. Contrast this with Fred Clarke's plaque.
   90. DanG Posted: August 02, 2004 at 06:30 PM (#771928)
Just a suggestion. How about adding how many elections it took for a player to make it? Such as:

Bob Caruthers - P/RF - 1930 (32nd ballot)

It's not an indicator of quality. It would suggest the level of controversy surrounding the choice, as well as pointing to which discussion threads would be dealing with him.
   91. karlmagnus Posted: August 02, 2004 at 06:36 PM (#771938)
Nice job on Parisian Bob, John; does him justice.
   92. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 06:58 PM (#771968)
Its a minor semantic nitpick, but I'm a fan of including pennant winners as a super-set of the World Series winners. That would make a total of 6 pennants for Baker. Contrast this with Fred Clarke's plaque.

I can redo that. I'll gradually update them during the week(s).

DanG:

The problem that I have with your proposal is that this is supposed to be a tribute for the players. As with the HoF, nothing negative is added to each plaque. There is no mention of the Black Sox with Jackson, for example.

However, your proposal would be beneficial on another thread (maybe a statistical overview page?) Remind me about it after I finish updating this room.

Nice job on Parisian Bob, John; does him justice.

I'm glad that you are happy with it, karlmagnus. I try to place myself in the shoes of each inductee's main advocate here when I create the plaques so as to give that player his due (without going into hyperbole or hagiography.) Obviously, I had you in mind when I was working on Caruthers.
   93. yest Posted: August 02, 2004 at 07:03 PM (#771976)
good job John on all the plaques

but on Napolian Lajoie's plaque it says

Co-winner of the Chalmers Award (MVP) for his Triple Crown season of 1910.
he won the triple crown in 1901 not 1910 and the Chalmers Award wasn't given in till the next year when Cobb won it. However Chalmers did give him and Cobb a car for the batting title race in 1910.
   94. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 07:09 PM (#771982)
yest:

It appears that I combined two of his seasons. I don't know how I did that, but I'll have it corrected today. Thanks for the heads up!
   95. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 07:47 PM (#772053)
The Plaque Room is finally up-to-date! The plaque for our newest winner will show up here after the official announcement by Joe.
   96. DavidFoss Posted: August 02, 2004 at 07:51 PM (#772061)
Great work John!
   97. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 02, 2004 at 08:34 PM (#772142)
Thanks, David!

BTW, please take a close look at the Negro League plaques. There seems to be some disagreement concerning teams played on and pennants won between some of the Negro League histories that I own. It's very possible that I have included a mistake on one of the plaques.
   98. Michael Bass Posted: August 02, 2004 at 08:45 PM (#772162)
Thanks for the work, John! Really looks nice.
   99. PhillyBooster Posted: August 02, 2004 at 08:53 PM (#772177)
I agree with David about having pennants listed as a superset. A World Series winner is also a pennant winner in that same year.
   100. karlmagnus Posted: August 02, 2004 at 09:00 PM (#772187)
John, should we take notice of players who figure in major works of literature or, especially movies in the Plaque Room? Also, come to think of it, those with good biographies or even autobiographies.

Everbody today knows about Shoeless Joe and "Field of Dreams" but in 20 years time they probably won't, and we should certainly immortalize the Gehrig movie. Also, you had that recent TBS made-for-TV movie with Honus Wagner.


I assume there's an easy reference book for this, though I don't know it, but if there is, it would be great if visitors to the HOM plaque room were able to see a book or movie that could maybe bring out the reality of a player. Obviously if you think it would be a lot of work, not worth it, but might be value added if not (and no, I don't know of any literature about Parisian Bob, though maybe he figures in one of the more obscure Toulouse-Lautrec paintings!)
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