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Monday, August 02, 2004

The Baseball Hall of Merit Plaque Room: Home Page

Enter here to see the players that have been immortalized in the Hall of Merit.

John Murphy was the curator of the Plaque Room and creator (with Ryan Wagman’s help) of the plaques. As of 2011 the creator of the plaques is theorioleway.

David Foss is in charge of the franchise cap standings.

Devin McCullen provides the city and state cap standings.

yest helps us out double-checking the plaques for accuracy.

The whole process is overseen by our commissioner and founder Joe Dimino.

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For Hall of Meriters S-Z, please click here.

The current roster (246 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position):

Pitchers (66): Pete Alexander+, Kevin Brown+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Roger Clemens+**, Stan Coveleski, David Cone, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Rick Reuschel, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Tom Seaver+**, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*.

Catchers (20): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Mike Piazza+, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe TorreQuincy Trouppe and Deacon White+.

First Basemen (21): Cap Anson+, Jeff Bagwell+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, Rafael Palmeiro, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, and Bill Terry+.

Second Basemen (22): Roberto Alomar+, Ross Barnes+, Craig Biggio+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+.

Third Basemen (19): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken BoyerJimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Eddie Mathews+, John McGraw, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson.

Shortstops (26): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, Barry Larkin+, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+.

Left Fielders (23): Jesse Burkett, Barry Bonds+*, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Rickey Henderson+*, Monte Irvin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+.

Center Fielders (26): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard BrownPete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, George Gore+, Billy Hamilton+Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn.

Right Fielders (22): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Enos Slaughter+, Reggie Smith, Sam Thompson, Larry Walker+, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+.

Designated Hitters (1): Edgar Martinez+

+ first-year candidate honorees (140)

* unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (16)

** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (9)

2012 Franchise Cap Standings
1.   Giants - 19 (Bonds, Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe,
     Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2.   Cubs - 17 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett,
     BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T.  Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn,
     Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T.  Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson,
     Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T.  Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller,
     Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T.  Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick,
     Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
6T.  Athletics - 12 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Henderson, McGwire, Plank,
     ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8.   Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline,
     Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
9T.  Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts,
     Schmidt, Thompson)
9T.  Reds - 10 (Bench, CJones, Groh, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
9T. Dodgers - 10 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, 
     Vance, Wheat)
12T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
12T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
12T.  Red Sox - 9 (Boggs, Clemens, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, RSmith, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15T. Orioles - 6 (Murray, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
17.  Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 4 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw)
18T. Astros - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, JWynn)
18T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
18T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
18T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
18T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
18T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
18T. Montreal Expos - 3 (GCarter, Dawson, Raines)
18T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
26T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
26T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
26T. Blue Jays - 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
26T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
26T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
26T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
26T. Mets - 2 (Cone, Seaver)
26T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
26T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
26T  Rangers - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
26T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
26T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen)
38T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
38T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy)
38T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
38T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
38T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
38T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
38T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
38T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
38T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
38T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
38T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
38T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
38T. Mariners - 1 (Martinez)
38T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
38T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
38T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
38T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
38T  Rockies - 1 (Walker)
38T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
2012 Cap Standings by City
1T.  Chicago - 29 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, 
E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, 
Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, 
Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams)
1T.  New York - 29 (Berra, Bresnahan, Cone, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, 
DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, 
Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, 
Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams)
3.   Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton,
Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank,
Roberts, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell)
4T.  Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, 
Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, 
Sewell, Speaker, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young)
4T.  St. Louis - 18 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Frisch, B. Gibson, 
Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, 
Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells)
6.   Boston - 17 (Barnes, Boggs, Clemens, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, 
McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, 
G. Wright, Yastrzemski)
7T.  Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, 
Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, 
Whitaker)
7T.  Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, 
J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner)
9T.  Baltimore - 10 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, 
Murray, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson)
9T.  Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, 
J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
9T.  Cincinnati - 10 (Bench, Groh, Jones, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, 
F. Robinson, Rose, Roush)
12. San Francisco - 7 (Bonds, Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry)
13. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen)
14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire)
16. Los Angeles - 4 (Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, D. Sutton)
17T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T. Houston - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, J. Wynn)
17T. Montreal - 3 (Carter, Dawson, Raines)
17T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
17T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson)
22T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan)
22T. Arlington - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
221T. N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms)
22T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
22T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
22T. Toronto – 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
28T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
28T. Atlanta - 1 (Niekro)
28T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy)
28T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
28T. Denver - 1 (Walker)
28T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
28T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
28T. Louisville – 1 (Browning)
28T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
28T. Seattle – 1 (Martinez)

* Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.

2012 Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no 
knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital:
1.   New York (42)
2.   Pennsylvania (33)
3T.  Illinois (28)
3T.  Ohio (28)
5.   Missouri (23)
6.   California (20)
7.   Massachusetts (17)
8.   Michigan (13)
9.   Maryland (10)
10.  Wisconsin (6)
11.  Texas (5)
12T. Minnesota (3)
12T. Quebec (3)
12T. District of Columbia (3)
15T. Cuba (2)
15T. New Jersey (2)
15T. Rhode Island (2)
15T. Georgia (2)
15T. Indiana (2)
15T. Kentucky (2)
15T. Ontario (2)
22T. Colorado (1)
22T. Oregon (1)



Note all mentions of Win Shares on plaques are adjusted to 162 games.

All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP).

Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type.

Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque.

Here are the plaques of the most recent inductees:


Barry Bonds - 2013 - LF
18.8 seasons with Pittsburgh (NL) 1986-1992; San Francisco (NL) 1993-2007
Cap: San Francisco Giants (NL)
Like his godfather Willie Mays, Barry Bonds’ impact on baseball left many in awe. Widely considered as one of the best players of all-time, he was unanimously placed first on every Hall of Merit ballot in his first year of consideration. A great all-around player early in his career who evolved into the most intimidating hitter ever (he has each of the top three and six of the top ten seasons of accumulated intentional walks), Bonds’ name is everywhere in the record books. He led the league in Runs (1992), HR (1993 and 2001, when he established a new single-season record 73), RBI (1993) BB (1992, 1994-1997, 2000-2004, 2006-2007), IBB (1992-1998, 2002-2004, 2006-2007), TB (1993), BA (2002, 2004), OBP (1991-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, 2006-2007, with 2004’s .609 and 2002’s .582 being the top two seasonal OBPs in baseball history) SLG (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004, which includes the MLB record of .863, set in 2001), OPS (1990-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, including the top two marks in history in 2004’s 1.422 and 2002’s 1.381), and OPS+ (1990-1993, 2000-2004, including the top three marks in MLB history, in 2002’s 268, 2004’s 263, and 2001’s 259). His 2004 season was also noteworthy in that he became the first player to have a season with more times on base than at bats (376 vs. 373). Bonds’ individual season dominance added up, as at the time of his induction he ranked in the top ten all-time in PA (9th – 12,606), Runs (3rd – 2,207), TB (4th – 5,796), HR (1st – 762), RBI (4th – 1,996), BB (1st – 2,558), IBB (1st – 688), XBH (2nd – 1,440), AB/HR (3rd – 12.9), times on-base (2nd – 5,599), OBP (6th - .444), SLG (6th - .607), OPS (4th – 1.051), and OPS+ (3rd – 182). Bonds is also the only player in the history of the game to reach the 500 marks in both career HR and career SB. He played on six division winning teams (1990-1992 with Pittsburgh and 1997, 2000, 2003 with San Francisco) and with the wild-card winning Giants in 2002 submitted a World Series performance for the ages, hitting .471/.700/1.294 with 4 HR in a losing effort. He holds the all-time Giants records in BB (1,947), IBB (575) OBP (.447), SLG (.666), OPS (1.143), and OPS+ (199). Fourteen-time All-Star (1990, 1992-1998, 2000-2004, 2007) who won 12 Silver Slugger awards (1990-1994, 1996-1997, 2000-2004), eight Gold Gloves (1990-1994, 1996-1998), and a record seven MVP awards (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004).

Roger Clemens - 2013 - P
Boston (AL) 1984-1996; Toronto (AL) 1997-1998; New York (AL) 1999-2003, 2007; Houston (NL) 2004-2006
Cap: Boston Red Sox (AL)
Known as the Rocket for his fiery temperament and overpowering fastball, Roger Clemens is considered by many as the best post-WWII pitcher—if not the best in all of baseball history. A workhorse pitcher who twice struck out 20 batters in a game, Clemens dominated the pitching landscape during his career. He led the league in wins (1986-1987, 1997-1998), winning percentage (1986, 2001, 2004), CG (1987-1988, 1997), SHO (1987-1988, 1990-1992, 1997), IP (1991, 1997), SO (1988, 1991, 1996-1998), ERA (1986, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2005), WHIP (1986, 1992, 1997), ERA+ (1986, 1990-1992, 1994, 1997-1998, 2005), H/9 (1986, 1994, 1998, 2005), SO/9 (1988, 1996, 1998), and SO/BB (1987-1988, 1990, 1992). Clemens was on two World Series winning teams (1999 and 2000 with the Yankees) along with seven other division winners (1986, 1988, 1990, 1995 with Boston and 2001-2003 with New York) and three wild-card winners (2004-2005 with Houston and 2007 with New York). Clemens’ 199 postseason innings are the fourth most all-time and his 173 strikeouts rank third all-time at the time of his induction. In his eight World Series starts, he went 3-0 with a 2.37 ERA and 49 strikeouts. For his career, Clemens ended up with the 9th most wins (354), 16th most innings pitched (4,916.2), third in strikeouts (4,672), seventh in games started (707), and tenth in ERA+ (143). All-time Red Sox leader in wins (192), SO (2,590), and SHO (38). Eleven-time All-Star (1986, 1988, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2001, 2003-2005) who won seven Cy Young awards (1986-1987, 1991, 1997-1998, 2001, 2004) and an MVP award (1986).

Mike Piazza - 2013 - C
12.2 seasons with Los Angeles (NL) 1992-1998; Florida (NL) 1998; New York (NL) 1998-2005; San Diego (NL) 2006; Oakland (AL) 2007
Cap: Los Angeles Dodgers (NL)
Considered by many to be the best-hitting catcher in Major League history, Mike Piazza hit like a first baseman while playing the most demanding position on the field. A 62nd round draft pick in 1988, Piazza made all the other teams look like fools for not drafting him in 1993 as he won the Rookie of the Year award by hitting .318/.370/.561 (153 OPS+) with 35 HR and 112 RBI. That rookie season announced Piazza as a force to be reckoned with for a long time, as it was his first of ten seasons wherein he would put up an OPS+ of 135 or better, leading the league in both 1995 (172) and 1997 (185). By the time Piazza retired, he held the record for the most HR (427, 396 while playing catcher) and highest slugging percentage (.545) for a catcher. Piazza hit .412/.545/.941 in the NLCS against the St. Louis Cardinals to help the 2000 wild-card winner New York Mets reach the World Series, and was also on two division winners (1995 Dodgers and 2006 Padres) and two other wild-card winners (1996 Dodgers and 1999 Mets). Twelve-time All-Star (1993-2002, 2004-2005) who won ten consecutive Silver Slugger awards (1993-2002). Has the highest career OPS+ in Dodgers history (160) and highest career SLG in Mets history (.542).

Craig Biggio - 2013 - 2B/C/CF
18.0 seasons with Houston (NL) 1988-2007
Cap: Houston Astros (NL)
A gritty player known for doing whatever it took to help the team, from getting hit by pitches (he led the league five times and has the second-most all-time with 285) to changing positions (he moved from C to 2B to CF to LF back to 2B over his long career), Craig Biggio’s impact on the field was undeniable. In 1992 the Astros moved Biggio from C to 2B in an effort to maximize his odds of being able to play every day and the gamble worked out as he quickly became the best 2B in the National League, a position he would hold throughout the 1990s. A sparkplug at the top of the lineup (one of only eight players with both 3,000 hits and 400 stolen bases), Biggio led the league in games played three times (1992, 1996-1997), PA five times (1992, 1995, 1997-1999), Runs twice (1995, 1997), 2B three times (1994, 1998, 1999) and SB once (1994). An integral member of the “Killer Bs” along with long-time teammate Jeff Bagwell, Biggio spent his entire career with the Astros and was part of four division winners (1997-1999, 2001) and two wild-card winners (2004-2005) making the World Series in 2005 (the first Houston team to win a pennant). At his induction, Biggio ranked in the top 25 all-time in G (16th—2,850), PA (10th—12,504), R (15th—1,844), H (21st—3,060), 2B (5th—668) and times on base (18th—4,505). Seven-time All-Star (1991-1992, 1994-1998) who won five Silver Slugger awards (1989, 1994-1995, 1997-1998) and four Gold Gloves (1994-1997). He holds the franchise record for most G, PA, R, H, TB (4,711), 2B, XBH (1,014), HBP, and times on base.

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   1101. yest Posted: March 06, 2007 at 05:29 PM (#2307622)
I updated this last year, yest. Dd you forget to update your own files?
probobly
   1102. Chris Fluit Posted: March 06, 2007 at 07:32 PM (#2307708)
I think I'm going to leave that out, though it is a great story.

Thanks, Chris!


You're welcome. I wasn't that sure about that one either as its more of a story than a statistic, which is why I didn't include it right away in my first post. But then I thought it's at least worth mentioning. Thanks for adding and correcting the other stuff.
   1103. yest Posted: March 11, 2007 at 03:38 AM (#2310129)
Hughie Jennings
John here's the source of my cunfution I never deleted it due to these further emendations but I never made the emendations to my records.

this isn't on the plaque
career record for most putout/game 2.66

(a career .311 batter, he owns the 19th Century record for shortstops at .398 in 1896)
he had a 401 batting avg. in 1896 and played all 130 games at short and it still is the record
   1104. yest Posted: March 11, 2007 at 03:55 AM (#2310142)
John on Keeler you put 342 instead of 341
   1105. yest Posted: March 11, 2007 at 03:58 AM (#2310146)
John Keeler had a 341 batting avg. not 342
   1106. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 11, 2007 at 01:46 PM (#2310213)
John Keeler had a 341 batting avg. not 342

Who is John Keeler, yest? ;-)

I picked that up from a book. I should have checked B-R to verify it. Thanks!
   1107. yest Posted: March 11, 2007 at 07:17 PM (#2310328)
John did you miss post 1108?
   1108. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 11, 2007 at 08:16 PM (#2310340)
this isn't on the plaque
career record for most putout/game 2.66

(a career .311 batter, he owns the 19th Century record for shortstops at .398 in 1896)
he had a 401 batting avg. in 1896 and played all 130 games at short and it still is the record


Did them all, except the latter.
   1109. yest Posted: March 11, 2007 at 08:33 PM (#2310346)
Did them all, except the latter.

???
   1110. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 11, 2007 at 08:45 PM (#2310352)
???


Okay, I understand what you were trying to say now, yest (which is not always easy with your posts ;-).

Done.
   1111. DavidFoss Posted: March 12, 2007 at 12:40 PM (#2310635)
Phillies, Giants & Buckeyes get caps thanks to Schmidt, Evans & Trouppe. The Giants regain sole possession of the cap lead.

<u>1995 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1. Giants - 16 (Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry,

Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 15 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Santo,

Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 12 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, GWright)
5T. Cardinals - 10 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter)
5T. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
7T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
7T. Tigers - 9 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
7T. Yankees - 9 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
10T. Athletics - 8 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
10T. Pirates - 8 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T. White Sox - 8 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13. Reds - 7 (Bench, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose)
14. Twins - 5 (Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
15T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
15T.Orioles - 4 (Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T.Red Sox - 4 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
18T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
18T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
18T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
18T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
29T.Angels - 1 (Grich)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   1112. yest Posted: March 12, 2007 at 01:55 PM (#2310667)
Jennings
he owns the <u>19th Century record</u> for shortstops at .401 in 1896)
he owns the record for shortstops at .401 in 1896)


Bill Dahlen
led in fielding% once
   1113. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 12, 2007 at 02:33 PM (#2310686)
he owns the 19th Century record for shortstops at .401 in 1896)
he owns the record for shortstops at .401 in 1896)


Getting picky now, yest. ;-)

Bill Dahlen
led in fielding% once


Okay.
   1114. yest Posted: March 12, 2007 at 03:02 PM (#2310695)
John Clarkson
retired with the NL record for the most assists in a season 174 in 1885
   1115. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 12, 2007 at 05:42 PM (#2310797)
Took care of Clarkson, yest.
   1116. yest Posted: March 12, 2007 at 06:54 PM (#2310841)
Mickey Cochrane

he led the league ..... and four times in fielding percentage
he only led twice in 1930 + 1932

100 runs 4 times
hit 300 8 times
   1117. Paul Wendt Posted: March 12, 2007 at 11:51 PM (#2311011)
Hey, I don't remember Evans in a Giants cap. Seriously, did he play in San Fran? No, not seriously.

The first player to hit 40 home runs in both leagues, he was part of a trio of teammates ever to achieve that mark together in a season in 1973

John What do you mean?

(I did check just now and find that the BRM didn't do it in 1970
and I don't know anyone named John What)
   1118. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 13, 2007 at 12:38 AM (#2311030)
Got it, yest.
   1119. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 13, 2007 at 12:41 AM (#2311033)
The first player to hit 40 home runs in both leagues, he was part of a trio of teammates ever to achieve that mark together in a season in 1973


The sentence is a little clumsy. I'll clean it up.
   1120. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 13, 2007 at 12:46 AM (#2311038)
Hey, I don't remember Evans in a Giants cap. Seriously, did he play in San Fran? No, not seriously.


Do you question my choice, Paul? He did have the most value there, IMO.
   1121. Paul Wendt Posted: March 13, 2007 at 01:09 AM (#2311055)
No question, just admission that I barely remember he played for the Giants.
   1122. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 13, 2007 at 01:19 AM (#2311059)
No question, just admission that I barely remember he played for the Giants.

That's actually the team I think of when I think of Evans, because I saw more Giant games with him in the lineup than the others.
   1123. Paul Wendt Posted: March 13, 2007 at 01:59 AM (#2311082)
I'm stunned that he finished 14-14-12 in the MVP balloting at his age, 1983-85-87. He was overshadowed by Cey and Schmidt, but he was another notable young 3B. But I didn't really know any Atlanta players, either, except Aaron, Niekro, and the Roadrunner. Or was it "the Tortoise and the Hare", Sports Illustrated (cover story?) on Joe Torre and Ralph Garr.

Oh, I knew that the Braves got Dave Johnson and I wondered whether we had anyone to replace him. Those were the last days when we (about one third of us here) looked at the young stars like Cey & Schmidt and Grich & Yount & Brett and figured that the team would be set for 15 years if this works out as it looks. I remember talking with a friend in 1978, asking how many years we would have Eddie Murray before he signs with the Yankees. Bunch of pessimists and who ever imagined Ripken? (Answer: I doubt that anyone imagined Ripken.)

You newcomers, see why the Hall of Merit thread is in quadruple figures?
   1124. yest Posted: March 13, 2007 at 05:11 AM (#2311149)
Dan Brouthers
led in fielding % once
   1125. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 13, 2007 at 01:27 PM (#2311214)
Dan Brouthers
led in fielding % once


Done.
   1126. yest Posted: March 13, 2007 at 02:06 PM (#2311232)
Cool Papa Bell
Memphis Red Sox (1942); Santo Domingo (1937); Mexican League (1938-41);
out of order

One of the longest careers ever to be seen in professional baseball
One of the longest careers ever to be seen in professional baseball (played 29 Summers And 21 Winters) (from his HoF plaque)
   1127. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 13, 2007 at 02:20 PM (#2311241)
Cool Papa Bell
Memphis Red Sox (1942); Santo Domingo (1937); Mexican League (1938-41);
out of order


Again, that's the way Riley had it, but I have no problem changing it.

One of the longest careers ever to be seen in professional baseball
One of the longest careers ever to be seen in professional baseball (played 29 Summers And 21 Winters) (from his HoF plaque)


Pass on that, yest, since Bell wasn't a major league caliber player all of those years.
   1128. yest Posted: March 13, 2007 at 02:34 PM (#2311251)
Okay, I understand what you were trying to say now, yest (which is not always easy with your posts ;-).

I'll try to work on that.



Cap Anson
what did you decide about putting his hitting 300 24 times (20 in a row)on his plaque

led in 1B fielding % 4 times
Total baseball also gives him the 3rd base fielding title in 1877 while retrosheet gives it to Bill Hague (Hague had a 843 fielding% in 59 games and 185 chances while Cap had a 883 fielding% in 40 games and 171 chances)
   1129. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 13, 2007 at 05:10 PM (#2311355)
Cap Anson
what did you decide about putting his hitting 300 24 times (20 in a row)on his plaque

led in 1B fielding % 4 times


It has been amended, yest.

Total baseball also gives him the 3rd base fielding title in 1877 while retrosheet gives it to Bill Hague (Hague had a 843 fielding% in 59 games and 185 chances while Cap had a 883 fielding% in 40 games and 171 chances)

I'll go with Retrosheet in this case. Thanks!
   1130. yest Posted: March 15, 2007 at 08:07 AM (#2312425)
1. Eddie Mathews
his great defensive play that saved a run from scoring in the 9th inning of Game 7 <u>also ended the</u> game and series in favor of the Braves in ‘57.
his great defensive play that saved a run from scoring in the 9th inning of Game 7 <u>ending the</u> game and series in favor of the Braves in ‘57.

2. Cap Anson
he hit .300 24 times (20 in a season).
he hit .300 24 times (20 in a <u>row</u>).

3. Ed Delahanty
he also went 6 for 6 twice <u>in a contest </u> (1890 and 1894)
I think it reads better this way
he also went 6 for 6 <u>in a contest twice</u> (1890 and 1894)

4. Honus Wagner
during the Deadball Era<u>. </u>The barrel-chested
there are 2 spaces instead of 1

5. Sherry Magee
hit 300 5 times
   1131. rawagman Posted: March 15, 2007 at 10:44 AM (#2312434)
yest - regarding your first correction (about Mathews), the current version is grammatically correct, if not ideal. I forget the names of all the rules of sentence structure, but your correction would be breaking at least one of them.
A better structured sentence would read: "made a great defensive play that saved a run from scoring in the 9th inning of Game 7 of the 1957 World Series, ending the game and securing the Braves' only championship of the Milwaukee era."
   1132. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 15, 2007 at 06:24 PM (#2312625)
yest:

2. Cap Anson
he hit .300 24 times (20 in a season).
he hit .300 24 times (20 in a row).


Obviously, that's wrong and I will correct that.

his great defensive play that saved a run from scoring in the 9th inning of Game 7 also ended the game and series in favor of the Braves in ‘57.

As Ryan stated, there is nothing wrong with my sentence grammatically, though his is more snazzier, so I will go with his correction.

3. Ed Delahanty
he also went 6 for 6 twice in a contest (1890 and 1894)
I think it reads better this way
he also went 6 for 6 in a contest twice (1890 and 1894)


I agree. At the very least, I should have phrased it "he also went 6 for 6 twice in contests played." I probably originally had it "he also went 6 for 6 in a contest," then realized he did it another time, but didn't correct the sentence further so that it made sense.

4. Honus Wagner
during the Deadball Era. The barrel-chested
there are 2 spaces instead of 1


I can't always pick that up on the ExpressionEngine website that I add thse plaques to, because the type is very small. Thanks!

5. Sherry Magee
hit 300 5 times


BTW, yest, please send me all of your corrections via e-mail, if you don't mind, so I can correct them this weekend. But that means those plaques will be "off limits" from you (unless I make a mistake with the correction, of course) from then on. It seems like I keep going over the same plaques over and over. :-) Not a complaint, just that I want to get this over and done with.

Of course, any new plaques are a different matter and any additions/corrections would be more than welcome here,

Thanks!
   1133. yest Posted: March 15, 2007 at 09:14 PM (#2312696)
do you want me to send all the changes in the E-MAIl
   1134. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 15, 2007 at 10:40 PM (#2312737)
do you want me to send all the changes in the E-MAIl

If you mean what has already been changed, no. If you mean everything that needs to be changed still, yes.
   1135. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 27, 2007 at 12:18 AM (#2318467)
New plaques are up!
   1136. DL from MN Posted: March 27, 2007 at 02:01 PM (#2318786)
Plaques have a little more punch this week.

I'd change "helped him be a" to "made him a" in Hernandez. There are some stray parentheses floating around in the plaques also.
   1137. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 27, 2007 at 02:06 PM (#2318791)
Plaques have a little more punch this week.


Thanks for the compliment, DL. BTW, many of the older plaques have been beefed up in the past week, thanks to additions/corrections from yest and my own add-ons.

I'd change "helped him be a" to "made him a" in Hernandez. There are some stray parentheses floating around in the plaques also.


How about "made him into a" instead?

I'll take care of the parentheses. Thanks!
   1138. rawagman Posted: March 27, 2007 at 02:23 PM (#2318803)
John - I will email you soon (maybe tomorrow?) with some suggestions for this batch of new plaques.
   1139. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 27, 2007 at 02:25 PM (#2318805)
John - I will email you soon (maybe tomorrow?) with some suggestions for this batch of new plaques.


I don't like the sound of that. :-(
   1140. rawagman Posted: March 27, 2007 at 02:28 PM (#2318806)
Nothing major, but I'd rather not clog this thread, and anyways, I can't right now.
   1141. Chris Fluit Posted: March 27, 2007 at 05:22 PM (#2318960)
The Giants regain sole possession of the cap lead.

The Cubs should get another cap when we get to Sandberg. Any other Giants or Cubs on the horizon or we will catch up with these two franchises tied again?
   1142. Sean Gilman Posted: March 27, 2007 at 06:37 PM (#2319026)
Will Clark will be interesting. I'm guessing he ties it up before we catch up.

In the next few years Bonds (one or two) and maybe Kent break the tie.
   1143. Chris Fluit Posted: March 27, 2007 at 07:08 PM (#2319047)
Sorry for the confusion, Sean. The Giants are already up by one. We'll very likely elect Sandberg which would allow the Cubs to catch up. But if we do indeed elect Will Clark, he wouldn't tie it up, he'd give the lead back to the Giants. Unless we happen to elect Lee Smith first, which seems unlikely based on the current level of support for Sutter.

So I guess we're looking at
Darrell Evans, Giants up one
Ryne Sandberg, tie
Will Clark, possibly Giants up one again
then, in the more distant future:
Barry Bonds, Giants
Sammy Sosa, Cubs
Jeff Kent, Giants
and possibly Bobby Bonds, Giants, from the backlog or Lee Smith, Cubs, as a borderline reliever
   1144. DavidFoss Posted: March 28, 2007 at 05:13 AM (#2319364)
Caps for the Cardinals, Yankees & Astros thanks to KHernandez, CKeller and JWynn.

The Cards & Yankees have met several times in the World Series with the Cards winning in 1926, 1942 and 1964 and the Yankees winning in 1928 and 1943.

The Astros & Cardinals have met in two recent NLCS's with the Cardinals winning in 2004 and the Astros in 2005.


<u>1996 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1. Giants - 16 (Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 15 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 12 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, GWright)
5. Cardinals - 11 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter)
6T. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
6T. Yankees - 10 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Keller, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
8T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
8T. Tigers - 9 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
10T.Athletics - 8 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
10T.Pirates - 8 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T.White Sox - 8 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13. Reds - 7 (Bench, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose)
14. Twins - 5 (Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
15T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
15T.Orioles - 4 (Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T.Red Sox - 4 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
18T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
18T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
18T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
18T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
29T.Angels - 1 (Grich)
29T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   1145. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 28, 2007 at 05:56 AM (#2319369)
With a bat, the left-handed line-drive hitter was a quality contact hitter (a six-time .300 hitter) and selective at the plate (6 times with at least a .400 OBP) who was skilled at working the count (in the clutch, he owns the ML record for game-winning RBI in a single-season (24 in 1985); he also hit .315 with men on base) and career (129).


Re the Henrandez plaque: While it's probably gramatically correct, the parenthesis inside the parenthesis is very confusing, especially when combined with such a long sentence. It's also confusing to have the "he also hit .315 with men on base" splitting the two GWRBI records.

I would recommend changing the order of the first part, (making six/6 consistent):

With a bat, the left-handed line-drive hitter was a quality contact hitter (a six-time .300 hitter) who was skilled at working the count, and selective at the plate (six times with at least a .400 OBP).

Then make a second sentence of:

A terrific hitter in the clutch, he owns the ML records for game-winning RBI in a single-season (24 in 1985), and career (129); he also hit .315 with men on base.
   1146. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 28, 2007 at 05:57 AM (#2319370)
With a bat, the left-handed line-drive hitter was a quality contact hitter (a six-time .300 hitter) and selective at the plate (6 times with at least a .400 OBP) who was skilled at working the count (in the clutch, he owns the ML record for game-winning RBI in a single-season (24 in 1985); he also hit .315 with men on base) and career (129).


Re the Henrandez plaque: While it's probably gramatically correct, the parenthesis inside the parenthesis is very confusing, especially when combined with such a long sentence. It's also confusing to have the "he also hit .315 with men on base" splitting the two GWRBI records.

I would recommend changing the order of the first part, (making six/6 consistent):

With a bat, the left-handed line-drive hitter was a quality contact hitter (a six-time .300 hitter) who was skilled at working the count, and selective at the plate (six times with at least a .400 OBP).

Then make a second sentence of:

A terrific hitter in the clutch, he owns the ML records for game-winning RBI in a single-season (24 in 1985), and career (129); he also hit .315 with men on base.
   1147. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 28, 2007 at 05:59 AM (#2319371)
Darn - my first double post. Disregard "Henrandez" - both times!
   1148. Sean Gilman Posted: March 28, 2007 at 09:21 AM (#2319392)
Sorry for the confusion, Sean. The Giants are already up by one. We'll very likely elect Sandberg which would allow the Cubs to catch up. But if we do indeed elect Will Clark, he wouldn't tie it up, he'd give the lead back to the Giants. Unless we happen to elect Lee Smith first, which seems unlikely based on the current level of support for Sutter.


No, no, I just misread your perfectly clear post,

It's a good bet Clark will be high on my ballot. I don't know about everyone else though.
   1149. DanG Posted: March 28, 2007 at 04:04 PM (#2319543)
I admit that I spend little time in this thread, so this has possibly been discussed before.

The aim of the plaques seems to be to list accomplishments that indicate fame as much as merit. That's fine, and for lurkers probably the best approach. But it often sounds like reasons we elected them, when it's usually things we don't or didn't consider important.

Shouldn't there be something in the plaques explaining WHY they were elected? For instance, I was checking out Keller's plaque and so much of it sounds like reasons he doesn't deserve to be in. IOW, not terribly impressive.

Perhaps a mention of his outstanding actual and imputed prime is needed. Perhaps more mentions of things we DO consider important, like win shares and WARP.

Hope this helps.
   1150. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 28, 2007 at 05:52 PM (#2319649)
Shouldn't there be something in the plaques explaining WHY they were elected? For instance, I was checking out Keller's plaque and so much of it sounds like reasons he doesn't deserve to be in. IOW, not terribly impressive.

Perhaps a mention of his outstanding actual and imputed prime is needed. Perhaps more mentions of things we DO consider important, like win shares and WARP.


I hear you, Chris, and that's why anybody can go to each inductee's player thread can be accessed in the Plaque Room. In those threads, each viewer can obtain the Win Shares or WARP number for each enshrines, as well as other key analysis.

But as for the plaques, I'd rather stick with the "all positive" approach that the HOF utilizes. I'd rather not scare non-sabermetrical lurkers right away by hitting them with Bill James and BP, too. :-)

As for Keller, considering the shortness of his career, his plaque looks damn impressive to me. I'm not seeing the negatives that you are, Chris.

Vortex:

I'll take a look at your changes either tonight or tomorrow.

As you can probably tell, some of the parenthetical data was added after the fact. I also hate writing the same thing on every plaque, so I try to change it when I can. But sometimes it's better to write the same thing again when it's more readable. :-)
   1151. Paul Wendt Posted: March 28, 2007 at 08:56 PM (#2319837)
Keith Hernandez: (in the clutch, he owns the ML record for game-winning RBI in a single-season (24 in 1985); he also hit .315 with men on base) and career (129).

Vortex is right about six, six. Then
He batted .315 with men on base and he owns the ML records for game-winning RBI with 24 in 1985 and 129 in his career.
(I'm not keen on a statistic that was official for a decade or so, but that's how to say it.)


Charlie Keller:
Though a congenital back problem and maritime service during WWII cut short his career, “King Kong” still was able to climb the heights of baseball greatness as a member of possibly the finest outfield of all-time.


I agree with DanG against emphasizing the negative.
"King Kong" was able to climb the heights of baseball greatness as a member of possibly the finest outfield of all time, before maritime service during WWII and a congenital back problem cut short his career.


Jimmy Wynn: walked over 100+ times 6 times
blech, both "over 100+" and "times 6 times" should be edited
(btw, he held the NL record broken by Barry Bonds a few year ago.)

A matter of style: the words "or more" and "at least" appear again and again in the plaques. I would almost never use them with round number season and career statistics almost never. Just "scored 100 runs six times" or "in six seasons"; "won 20 games six years in a row"; "the latest man to bat .300 six times". Everyone knows that the round numbers imply "or more" and "at least".
   1152. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 28, 2007 at 09:17 PM (#2319847)
sigh
   1153. Chris Fluit Posted: March 28, 2007 at 10:28 PM (#2319883)
I hear you, Chris,


Not sure which Chris you meant by that, but you were replying to DanG.
   1154. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 29, 2007 at 02:02 AM (#2319988)
Not sure which Chris you meant by that, but you were replying to DanG.


I meant Dan, Chris. Sorry.
   1155. rawagman Posted: March 29, 2007 at 03:14 PM (#2320206)
John - I never got a chance to write, but most of what I wanted to say has already been said.
   1156. DanG Posted: March 29, 2007 at 04:18 PM (#2320254)
OK, one more and then I'll shut up.

Where I'm coming from on this is: have we ever really considered what the Plaque Room ought to be? If this is to be the "Public Face" of the HoM, do we really want to make it look like it matters that Jimmy Wynn set the club record for Sacrifice Flies for a 16-year-old franchise? And a zillion other trivial bits? Do the plaques really give the impression we know what we're doing, that our decisions are NOT the product of factoids but have an extensive sabermetric rationale?

Or Keller again. I copied his plaque to another site as evidence for his greatness. The immediate comeback was, "his career just wasn't nearly long enough for the Hall of Fame, IMO, even with adjustments for war credit. He basically had four or five seasons. Even if we given him war credit, which would be just two years, and assuming he was healthy and peak productive during that time, that's just 7 years. Not enough, IMO." His plaque has next to nothing to dispel this misreading of his career. To me, he's not McGraw or Chance, ie all peak - Keller has a substantial prime 1938-46.

I guess if everyone is OK with what the Plaque Room has become then forget this little critique and carry on.
   1157. rawagman Posted: March 29, 2007 at 06:25 PM (#2320325)
Dan - The hallofmerit website that Joe and I have been intermittently working on will eventually be the public face of the group's work.
I think the idea is that we use these plaques as starting points and augment where required by the "extra" bits that helped us make the decisions we did.
   1158. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 29, 2007 at 06:41 PM (#2320334)
Other then controlling who gets what cap and designating the positional order for each inductee's plaque, what I want to do is hand the plaques off to someone else. Frankly, it's become too much of a burden and I'd rather use the time for something else more important. I'd like to see someone volunteer to do them right away, if possible.

When I first started doing the plaques, I was only spelling Joe until he was able to find the time to do them again, not to be doing them as of 1997 :-). Unfortunately for Joe, his job didn't help him in that regard. Not complaining, since I enjoyed doing them. Of course, the plaques I created were much smaller then, but I kept receiving input to expand upon them, which I did. Now I think they have become too big for their britches, though some of them need "trivial bits" so they don't get lost among the Ruths, Schmidts and Mays.

Hopefully, someone will take me up on my suggestion.
   1159. Paul Wendt Posted: March 30, 2007 at 02:13 AM (#2320633)
Yeah, all my suggestions are meant for whomever takes over the job!
   1160. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 17, 2007 at 02:13 AM (#2336709)
New plaques are up!
   1161. DL from MN Posted: April 17, 2007 at 05:27 PM (#2337073)
> at the keystone as he was recognized as the best second sacker of his time

Ummm, Mazeroski?
   1162. DL from MN Posted: April 17, 2007 at 05:29 PM (#2337075)
The Baseball as America traveling HoF exhibit had an Edd Roush cap that had flip-up sunglasses integrated into the bill.
   1163. Paul Wendt Posted: April 18, 2007 at 03:44 AM (#2337842)
Mr. Secretary General, Mr. Secretary General!

You need to edit the Ryan Wagman acknowledgment. It need something like ") is" and it needs attention to the bold tag.
   1164. DavidFoss Posted: April 18, 2007 at 04:02 AM (#2337862)
Break out the hose!

Red Sox, White Sox and Reds all get caps thanks to Evans, Fox and Roush. The Reds were named after the first all-professional team the Cincinnati Red Stockings. Red Sox and White Sox picked up their names from the original NL teams that inhabited their towns (who were subsequently renamed the Braves & Cubs). The original NL Boston Red Stockings got their nickname from because they had several ex-Cincinnati players on their team.

Two memorable World Series featured these franchises. The Reds (with Edd Roush) "beat" the White Sox in the scandalous 1919 series and the Reds beat the Red Sox (with Dwight Evans) in the 1975 series.


<u>1997 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 16 (Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 15 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 12 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, GWright)
5. Cardinals - 11 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter)
6T. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
6T. Yankees - 10 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Keller, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
8T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
8T. Tigers - 9 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
8T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
11T.Athletics - 8 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
11T.Pirates - 8 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
11T.Reds - 8 (Bench, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
14T.Red Sox - 5 (JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
14T.Twins - 5 (Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
16T.Orioles - 4 (Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
18T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
18T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
18T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
18T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
29T.Angels - 1 (Grich)
29T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   1165. Paul Wendt Posted: April 18, 2007 at 05:44 PM (#2338163)
The original NL Boston Red Stockings got their nickname from because they had several ex-Cincinnati players on their team.

Perhaps only because Harry Wright was the chief organizer of both teams and the Cincinnati BBC dropped out of the baseball business over the same winter that he moved to Boston. In other words, the Cincinnati "Red Stockings" were no more, neither the squad nor the "shirts".

Two memorable World Series featured these franchises. The Reds (with Edd Roush) "beat" the White Sox in the scandalous 1919 series and the Reds beat the Red Sox (with Dwight Evans) in the 1975 series.

Not so remembered, or so memorable, AA champion Cincinnati shocked NL champion Chicago. Will White shut down the super team once, as he frequently shut down American rivals. Did youths in eyeglasses flock to the pitchers box in every city and town? Alas no, for the game was not televised.
(Chicago won a second game and there was no third.)
   1166. DavidFoss Posted: April 18, 2007 at 06:41 PM (#2338195)
Not so remembered, or so memorable, AA champion Cincinnati shocked NL champion Chicago. Will White shut down the super team once, as he frequently shut down American rivals. Did youths in eyeglasses flock to the pitchers box in every city and town? Alas no, for the game was not televised.
(Chicago won a second game and there was no third.)


When was this? 1882? Not one of the old AA/NL World Series (1884-90,92) at least. (And that was the White Sox team that ended up being the Cubs, not the Nellie Fox franchise).

Anyhow, thanks for the tip about what must have been great day for the fledgeling Beer & Whiskey league.
   1167. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 18, 2007 at 10:41 PM (#2338417)
> at the keystone as he was recognized as the best second sacker of his time

Ummm, Mazeroski?


It should be AL second sacker, obviously. It's corrected. Thanks!

You need to edit the Ryan Wagman acknowledgment. It need something like ") is" and it needs attention to the bold tag.


Thanks, Paul!
   1168. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: April 23, 2007 at 10:33 AM (#2342966)
An acrobat in center, Roush appeared to know where the ball was going to land even before it was hit (led NL center fielders once each in games, putouts and fielding percentage).

Typo here.
   1169. rawagman Posted: April 23, 2007 at 10:36 AM (#2342967)
the man is correct. I blush.
   1170. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 23, 2007 at 11:16 AM (#2342970)
the man is correct. I blush.


:-)

I'll take care of it, Ryan.
   1171. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 08, 2007 at 02:08 AM (#2357872)
New plaques are up!
   1172. Brent Posted: May 08, 2007 at 03:32 AM (#2357981)
John, how long have you had JB's plaque sitting on the shelf waiting to go up?
   1173. DavidFoss Posted: May 08, 2007 at 04:16 AM (#2358030)
Expos/Nationals, Twins & Pirates get caps thanks to Gary Carter, Bert Blyleven & Jack Beckley.

The Twins and Pirates franchises met once in the World Series with the Pirates beating the Senators in 1925 a memorable seven-game series. In game seven, the Pirates overcame 4-0, 6-3 and 7-6 deficits to defeat Walter Johnson 9-7 on a rainy Thursday thanks to for hits by HOM-er Max Carey, an 8th-inning error by Roger Peckinpaugh which was followed by a double by Kiki Cuyler which scored the go ahead unearned runs.

The Expos did not face either the Twins or the Pirates in their only playoff appearance, but they did participate in a close NL East pennant race in 1979 where the Pirates (with Bert Blyleven) took 5 of 6 games from the Expos (with Gary Carter) in the final two weeks of the season to win the division by two games.

The Twins & Pirates are the two teams that Bert Blyleven won his two championship rings playing for.

The Twins franchise started in Washington and the Expos franchise has moved to Washington.

Gary Carter hit .262/.295/.452 with 1 HR in 42 at bats against Bert Blyleven.

<u>1998 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 16 (Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 15 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 12 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
5. Cardinals - 11 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter)
6T. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
6T. Yankees - 10 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Keller, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
8T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
8T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
8T. Tigers - 9 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
8T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
12T.Athletics - 8 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
13T.Reds - 8 (Bench, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
14. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
15. Red Sox - 5 (JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
16. Orioles - 4 (Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
17T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T.Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
29T.Angels - 1 (Grich)
29T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
29T.Nationals - 1 (GCarter)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   1174. DavidFoss Posted: May 08, 2007 at 04:28 AM (#2358040)
Observant HOM-ers may have noticed a change in the historical caps that have been on display on the top of this page for the last couple of weeks. After discussion with John Murphy, Deacon White's cap assignment has been reevaluated and has shifted from the Bisons to the "Braves". This pushes the Braves into a tie for third place with the Indians (the total should read 13 and will be corrected next time).
   1175. yest Posted: May 08, 2007 at 07:28 PM (#2358590)
Beckley

Cap: Pittsburgh Pirates His era’s fines


Cap: Pittsburgh Pirates
His era’s fines

it's on 1 line
   1176. Chris Fluit Posted: May 08, 2007 at 09:07 PM (#2358665)
Observant HOM-ers may have noticed a change in the historical caps that have been on display on the top of this page for the last couple of weeks.

I had noticed. I like it.

After discussion with John Murphy, Deacon White's cap assignment has been reevaluated and has shifted from the Bisons to the "Braves". This pushes the Braves into a tie for third place with the Indians (the total should read 13 and will be corrected next time).

More importantly, it drops the Bisons behind the Baltimore Orioles (nee St. Louis Browns). That means that the Orioles backed into the solo 16th spot before Eddie Murray became eligible. It also means that the 16 franchises of 1901-1960 are now finally the top 16 franchises in the standings.
   1177. Cblau Posted: May 08, 2007 at 09:19 PM (#2358680)
Beckley Retired with the Pirates’ franchise single-season record for HBP (21 in 1985)

Seems to me that's off by 90 years or so.
   1178. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 08, 2007 at 11:00 PM (#2358796)
Cap: Pittsburgh Pirates His era’s fines

Cap: Pittsburgh Pirates
His era’s fines

it's on 1 line


"finest" was spelled right, yest. I'm not sure about what the problem is.

Beckley Retired with the Pirates’ franchise single-season record for HBP (21 in 1985)

Seems to me that's off by 90 years or so.


That's my form of "dyslexia," which causes me to type numbers backwards every now and then. Thanks, Cliff!
   1179. Paul Wendt Posted: May 10, 2007 at 12:55 AM (#2359831)
Beckley
"finest" was spelled right, yest. I'm not sure about what the problem is.

He means that you need a newline (but 'His' now begins a new line).
Maybe you need '(NL'); I don't know the practice but I see 'Minnesota (AL)'.

Did he "focus on and grasp" records?


Blyleven
the “Dutchman” had a long career of high, sustained value for his teams.

For your successor, which may be the committee of the whole. I think the blurbs should eventually identify immigrants by native land (eg, the Netherlands for Blyleven), thus revealing whether 'Dutchman' names ethnicity or nationality in contrast to the Dutchman Hans Wagner, for example.

A noted prankster, the right-hander’s pitching demanded respect as he racked up nearly 300 victories (287), with a 118 ERA+, an awe-inspiring 60 shutouts while stricking out 3,701 opposing batters <u>during his career (</u>including 8 seasons <u>of</u> over 200<u>)</u>.

Fiddling with your prose, I suggest deleting what is <u>underlined</u>.
Take no offense. Or take offense but don't let it distract you from correcting what is bold!
   1180. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 10, 2007 at 10:59 PM (#2360370)
Paul, I believe all of your complaints in your last post should be directed to Ryan Wagman, who has been correcting my prose (and other people's for a living, BTW) for the past few elections. :-)

Seriously, I have no problem with adding the nationality for immigrants. Can't hurt.

Did he "focus on and grasp" records?


"Focused" was a play on "Eagle Eye."

He means that you need a newline (but 'His' now begins a new line).


It was okay when I checked it a couple of days ago when yest made his post. It must have been a momentary BBTF thing.

Take no offense. Or take offense but don't let it distract you from correcting what is bold!


Believe me, I don't mind anyone helping out here by pointing out problems, as long as everyone remembers that I'm just the guy keeping the trains running here. Not a complaint, but I only started doing this years ago because Joe couldn't and no one else volunteered. I don't have the time for grand renovations in the Plaque Room, though I wish I did.
   1181. karlmagnus Posted: May 11, 2007 at 08:40 PM (#2361092)
I really like nthe Beckley plaque, which told me stuff I didn't know about him -- 23,709 putouts is a very fine lifetime number, I don't think I've done anything including sneeze 23,709 times. Was worth waiting for!
   1182. Willie Mays Hayes Posted: May 11, 2007 at 08:58 PM (#2361104)
Other then controlling who gets what cap and designating the positional order for each inductee's plaque, what I want to do is hand the plaques off to someone else. Frankly, it's become too much of a burden and I'd rather use the time for something else more important. I'd like to see someone volunteer to do them right away, if possible.

When I first started doing the plaques, I was only spelling Joe until he was able to find the time to do them again, not to be doing them as of 1997 :-). Unfortunately for Joe, his job didn't help him in that regard. Not complaining, since I enjoyed doing them. Of course, the plaques I created were much smaller then, but I kept receiving input to expand upon them, which I did. Now I think they have become too big for their britches, though some of them need "trivial bits" so they don't get lost among the Ruths, Schmidts and Mays.

Hopefully, someone will take me up on my suggestion.


John, drop me an email when you get a moment. I could conceivably take this on.
   1183. yest Posted: May 11, 2007 at 11:38 PM (#2361217)
Other then controlling who gets what cap and designating the positional order for each inductee's plaque, what I want to do is hand the plaques off to someone else. Frankly, it's become too much of a burden and I'd rather use the time for something else more important. I'd like to see someone volunteer to do them right away, if possible.

When I first started doing the plaques, I was only spelling Joe until he was able to find the time to do them again, not to be doing them as of 1997 :-). Unfortunately for Joe, his job didn't help him in that regard. Not complaining, since I enjoyed doing them. Of course, the plaques I created were much smaller then, but I kept receiving input to expand upon them, which I did. Now I think they have become too big for their britches, though some of them need "trivial bits" so they don't get lost among the Ruths, Schmidts and Mays.

Hopefully, someone will take me up on my suggestion.


I would love to take this on if I'm wanted for the job porvided it meets with my scheduale which is very ifey at this moment but I'm afraid those plaques of those players I still scratch my head about, thinking why anyone could possibly like them (Charlie Keller, Frank Grant, ext. this covers around 1/8th of the hom not PHOM list) would make me a disservise to the plaques. which I think is the most important meens of conveying to the mass public different reasons why these people belong in the HoM so they can understand why these players have the credentiols to be put in the HoM even though they never heard of them. this is the reason I spent so much time on the plaque room (and it was fun to learn different intristing tibits that many times get lost in the stats) so we would be able to show that we know what were talking about (with the exption of not putting Traynor in the HoM)
   1184. rawagman Posted: May 12, 2007 at 07:13 AM (#2361514)
Paul - I don't know how I missed stricking. Surprised it didn't pop-up in the spell checker. Didn't even know that was a word.
I stand by the career/season references for Blyleven though - when doing a tally of what he accomplished using different periods as reference, I felt it was important to mark what I was measuring using minimal space. I think I did that.
I generally take John's rough draft and try to smooth it out, while retaining his style, which I think is suitable for this project, YMMV.
I may be wrong on this next point, but I do believe that I had heard Blyleven refered to as the Dutchman is the past. This is a disease that affects most of the English speaking world, in that they/we rename the rest of the planet according to their/our own needs.
   1185. Paul Wendt Posted: May 12, 2007 at 12:26 PM (#2361536)
rawagman:
I may be wrong on this next point, but I do believe that I had heard Blyleven refered to as the Dutchman is the past.

I don't disagree, and if that's true it only underscores my suggestion, which equally covers all HOMers born outside the USA.
If he was called "the Dutchman" that doesn't identify him as Dutch any more than it does Hans Wagner.


karlmagnus:
I don't think I've done anything including sneeze 23,709 times. Was worth waiting for!

As I say to undergraduates and their teachers, once you pass 10000 days it's all the same.
No regular and few occasional HOM participants have passed 23709, but it's nothing worth waiting for.

(I say that in base 10 and I would happily say 10 0000 0000 0000 in a computer science department.)
   1186. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 13, 2007 at 12:56 PM (#2362318)
I don't disagree, and if that's true it only underscores my suggestion, which equally covers all HOMers born outside the USA.
If he was called "the Dutchman" that doesn't identify him as Dutch any more than it does Hans Wagner.


I have added the fact that he came from the Netherlands to Bert's plaque.

I really like nthe Beckley plaque, which told me stuff I didn't know about him -- 23,709 putouts is a very fine lifetime number, I don't think I've done anything including sneeze 23,709 times. Was worth waiting for!


Ryan and I appreciate that, karlmagnus.

Got Melky and yest:

Thanks for the offer to help, guys, but I think Ryan's valuable input now will bring the plaques up to snuff. Hopefully, when he gets the time, he can spruce up the earlier ones.

If anyone has computer skills that could add some bells and whistles to the Plaque Room, that would be terrific. I don't know if Jim or Dan would allow us to do major renovations with the ExpressionEngine program, however (I don't even know if it's possible). Joe and I only have limited keys to this site, BTW, so even if we were computer techies, there is only so far we can go.

but I'm afraid those plaques of those players I still scratch my head about, thinking why anyone could possibly like them (Charlie Keller, Frank Grant, ext. this covers around 1/8th of the hom not PHOM list) would make me a disservise to the plaques. which I think is the most important meens of conveying to the mass public different reasons why these people belong in the HoM so they can understand why these players have the credentiols to be put in the HoM even though they never heard of them.


If anything, I put more effort into the plaques of players that I didn't support for a couple of reasons 1) they tend to have less statistical and anecdotal weight than the others and 2) I don't want anyone to think I'm shortchanging a player they supported because of my own personal views, since I wouldn't want the same done to any players that I supported.

so we would be able to show that we know what were talking about (with the exption of not putting Traynor in the HoM)


I like Traynor for the HoM, too (though he is still clearly overrated, IMO).
   1187. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 13, 2007 at 05:54 PM (#2362492)
Going over some of my old Mets' post-1986 World Series books (most of them mediocre or just bad), it appears that Keith Hernandez did use the nickname "Mex" in the third person (even if he really didn't care for it). Therefore, I'm going to add it to his plaque, but also note that he's not Mexican. If Hernandez actually ever reads it, I think he would approve.
   1188. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 13, 2007 at 07:16 PM (#2362615)
I added Deutchman to Wagner's plaque in parentheses, so anybody viewing it will know Honus' true ancestry without wasting too much bandwith on it.
   1189. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 13, 2007 at 07:25 PM (#2362635)
BTW, was the nickname "Mullet" used a lot for George Brett? I don't remember it while he played.
   1190. rawagman Posted: May 14, 2007 at 07:13 AM (#2363268)
John - I'll be happy to start looking at older plaques as well, but probably not until I am fully back and integrated in Toronto (hopefully, by mid-July, or so).
   1191. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 14, 2007 at 11:34 AM (#2363305)
John - I'll be happy to start looking at older plaques as well, but probably not until I am fully back and integrated in Toronto (hopefully, by mid-July, or so).


Hey, whenever you can work on them, Ryan, will be great and much appreciated. Thanks!
   1192. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 30, 2007 at 02:12 AM (#2383783)
New plaques are up!
   1193. Brent Posted: May 30, 2007 at 02:52 AM (#2383944)
John - You need to correct Yount's position on his plaque (it currently shows "2B" rather than "SS").

Thanks.
   1194. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 30, 2007 at 03:03 AM (#2384007)
Got it, Brent. Thanks!
   1195. DavidFoss Posted: May 30, 2007 at 01:20 PM (#2384249)
Royals, Brewers and Red Sox get caps thanks to Brett, Yount and Fisk. Its the first cap each for the Royals and Brewers who both entered the American League in 1969. The expansion was the second chance for both the cities of Kansas City & Milwaukee as the A's and Braves and just left their cities a couple of years earlier.

These teams have never faced each other in the postseason.

<u>1999 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 16 (Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 15 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T. Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
5. Cardinals - 11 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter)
6T. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
6T. Yankees - 10 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Keller, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
8T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
8T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
8T. Tigers - 9 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
8T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
12T.Athletics - 8 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
12T.Reds - 8 (Bench, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
14. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
15. Red Sox - 6 (JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
16. Orioles - 4 (Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
17T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T.Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
29T.Angels - 1 (Grich)
29T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
29T.Brewers - 1 (Yount)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
29T.Nationals - 1 (GCarter)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Royals - 1 (Brett)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   1196. Paul Wendt Posted: May 31, 2007 at 05:36 PM (#2386276)
Someone called the Olde New England response to Carlton Fisk, "One of us."
He spent less than half his career in Boston, only two of his four peaks, but the Red Sox cap fits.

It's remarkable that the storied club only now ties the Twins/Senators for 14th place in the "cap standings".
   1197. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 31, 2007 at 08:36 PM (#2386464)
Someone called the Olde New England response to Carlton Fisk, "One of us."
He spent less than half his career in Boston, only two of his four peaks, but the Red Sox cap fits.


From my analysis, Pudge had the most value with the BoSox. 1975 is the cherry on top.

It's remarkable that the storied club only now ties the Twins/Senators for 14th place in the "cap standings".


Not so remarkable looking at their trading history, Paul. :-)
   1198. Paul Wendt Posted: May 31, 2007 at 09:15 PM (#2386496)
oh, yeah, Pennock and Hoyt :-)
A few voters think Carl Mays should be another.
   1199. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: May 31, 2007 at 10:30 PM (#2386544)
A few voters think Carl Mays should be another.


His value with the Yanks is almost equal to his value with the Red Sox, but I would give him a Boston cap.
   1200. karlmagnus Posted: June 01, 2007 at 12:26 AM (#2386750)
If you made it geographic and took account of the substantial transfer from the 1890s Beaneaters to the 1901 Pilgrims, all those 1870s players would be Red Sox. Makes more sense, since I bet they wouldn't have been able to find Atlanta on a map.
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