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Monday, August 02, 2004

The Baseball Hall of Merit Plaque Room: Home Page

Enter here to see the players that have been immortalized in the Hall of Merit.

John Murphy was the curator of the Plaque Room and creator (with Ryan Wagman’s help) of the plaques. As of 2011 the creator of the plaques is theorioleway.

David Foss is in charge of the franchise cap standings.

Devin McCullen provides the city and state cap standings.

yest helps us out double-checking the plaques for accuracy.

The whole process is overseen by our commissioner and founder Joe Dimino.

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The current roster (246 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position):

Pitchers (66): Pete Alexander+, Kevin Brown+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Roger Clemens+**, Stan Coveleski, David Cone, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Rick Reuschel, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Tom Seaver+**, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*.

Catchers (20): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Mike Piazza+, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe TorreQuincy Trouppe and Deacon White+.

First Basemen (21): Cap Anson+, Jeff Bagwell+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, Rafael Palmeiro, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, and Bill Terry+.

Second Basemen (22): Roberto Alomar+, Ross Barnes+, Craig Biggio+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+.

Third Basemen (19): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken BoyerJimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Eddie Mathews+, John McGraw, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson.

Shortstops (26): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, Barry Larkin+, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+.

Left Fielders (23): Jesse Burkett, Barry Bonds+*, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Rickey Henderson+*, Monte Irvin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+.

Center Fielders (26): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard BrownPete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, George Gore+, Billy Hamilton+Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn.

Right Fielders (22): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Enos Slaughter+, Reggie Smith, Sam Thompson, Larry Walker+, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+.

Designated Hitters (1): Edgar Martinez+

+ first-year candidate honorees (140)

* unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (16)

** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (9)

2012 Franchise Cap Standings
1.   Giants - 19 (Bonds, Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe,
     Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2.   Cubs - 17 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett,
     BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T.  Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn,
     Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T.  Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson,
     Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T.  Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller,
     Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T.  Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick,
     Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
6T.  Athletics - 12 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Henderson, McGwire, Plank,
     ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8.   Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline,
     Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
9T.  Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts,
     Schmidt, Thompson)
9T.  Reds - 10 (Bench, CJones, Groh, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
9T. Dodgers - 10 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, 
     Vance, Wheat)
12T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
12T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
12T.  Red Sox - 9 (Boggs, Clemens, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, RSmith, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15T. Orioles - 6 (Murray, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
17.  Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 4 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw)
18T. Astros - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, JWynn)
18T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
18T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
18T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
18T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
18T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
18T. Montreal Expos - 3 (GCarter, Dawson, Raines)
18T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
26T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
26T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
26T. Blue Jays - 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
26T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
26T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
26T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
26T. Mets - 2 (Cone, Seaver)
26T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
26T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
26T  Rangers - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
26T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
26T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen)
38T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
38T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy)
38T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
38T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
38T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
38T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
38T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
38T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
38T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
38T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
38T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
38T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
38T. Mariners - 1 (Martinez)
38T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
38T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
38T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
38T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
38T  Rockies - 1 (Walker)
38T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
2012 Cap Standings by City
1T.  Chicago - 29 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, 
E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, 
Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, 
Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams)
1T.  New York - 29 (Berra, Bresnahan, Cone, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, 
DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, 
Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, 
Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams)
3.   Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton,
Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank,
Roberts, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell)
4T.  Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, 
Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, 
Sewell, Speaker, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young)
4T.  St. Louis - 18 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Frisch, B. Gibson, 
Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, 
Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells)
6.   Boston - 17 (Barnes, Boggs, Clemens, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, 
McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, 
G. Wright, Yastrzemski)
7T.  Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, 
Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, 
Whitaker)
7T.  Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, 
J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner)
9T.  Baltimore - 10 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, 
Murray, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson)
9T.  Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, 
J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
9T.  Cincinnati - 10 (Bench, Groh, Jones, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, 
F. Robinson, Rose, Roush)
12. San Francisco - 7 (Bonds, Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry)
13. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen)
14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire)
16. Los Angeles - 4 (Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, D. Sutton)
17T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T. Houston - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, J. Wynn)
17T. Montreal - 3 (Carter, Dawson, Raines)
17T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
17T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson)
22T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan)
22T. Arlington - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
221T. N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms)
22T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
22T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
22T. Toronto – 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
28T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
28T. Atlanta - 1 (Niekro)
28T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy)
28T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
28T. Denver - 1 (Walker)
28T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
28T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
28T. Louisville – 1 (Browning)
28T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
28T. Seattle – 1 (Martinez)

* Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.

2012 Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no 
knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital:
1.   New York (42)
2.   Pennsylvania (33)
3T.  Illinois (28)
3T.  Ohio (28)
5.   Missouri (23)
6.   California (20)
7.   Massachusetts (17)
8.   Michigan (13)
9.   Maryland (10)
10.  Wisconsin (6)
11.  Texas (5)
12T. Minnesota (3)
12T. Quebec (3)
12T. District of Columbia (3)
15T. Cuba (2)
15T. New Jersey (2)
15T. Rhode Island (2)
15T. Georgia (2)
15T. Indiana (2)
15T. Kentucky (2)
15T. Ontario (2)
22T. Colorado (1)
22T. Oregon (1)



Note all mentions of Win Shares on plaques are adjusted to 162 games.

All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP).

Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type.

Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque.

Here are the plaques of the most recent inductees:


Barry Bonds - 2013 - LF
18.8 seasons with Pittsburgh (NL) 1986-1992; San Francisco (NL) 1993-2007
Cap: San Francisco Giants (NL)
Like his godfather Willie Mays, Barry Bonds’ impact on baseball left many in awe. Widely considered as one of the best players of all-time, he was unanimously placed first on every Hall of Merit ballot in his first year of consideration. A great all-around player early in his career who evolved into the most intimidating hitter ever (he has each of the top three and six of the top ten seasons of accumulated intentional walks), Bonds’ name is everywhere in the record books. He led the league in Runs (1992), HR (1993 and 2001, when he established a new single-season record 73), RBI (1993) BB (1992, 1994-1997, 2000-2004, 2006-2007), IBB (1992-1998, 2002-2004, 2006-2007), TB (1993), BA (2002, 2004), OBP (1991-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, 2006-2007, with 2004’s .609 and 2002’s .582 being the top two seasonal OBPs in baseball history) SLG (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004, which includes the MLB record of .863, set in 2001), OPS (1990-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, including the top two marks in history in 2004’s 1.422 and 2002’s 1.381), and OPS+ (1990-1993, 2000-2004, including the top three marks in MLB history, in 2002’s 268, 2004’s 263, and 2001’s 259). His 2004 season was also noteworthy in that he became the first player to have a season with more times on base than at bats (376 vs. 373). Bonds’ individual season dominance added up, as at the time of his induction he ranked in the top ten all-time in PA (9th – 12,606), Runs (3rd – 2,207), TB (4th – 5,796), HR (1st – 762), RBI (4th – 1,996), BB (1st – 2,558), IBB (1st – 688), XBH (2nd – 1,440), AB/HR (3rd – 12.9), times on-base (2nd – 5,599), OBP (6th - .444), SLG (6th - .607), OPS (4th – 1.051), and OPS+ (3rd – 182). Bonds is also the only player in the history of the game to reach the 500 marks in both career HR and career SB. He played on six division winning teams (1990-1992 with Pittsburgh and 1997, 2000, 2003 with San Francisco) and with the wild-card winning Giants in 2002 submitted a World Series performance for the ages, hitting .471/.700/1.294 with 4 HR in a losing effort. He holds the all-time Giants records in BB (1,947), IBB (575) OBP (.447), SLG (.666), OPS (1.143), and OPS+ (199). Fourteen-time All-Star (1990, 1992-1998, 2000-2004, 2007) who won 12 Silver Slugger awards (1990-1994, 1996-1997, 2000-2004), eight Gold Gloves (1990-1994, 1996-1998), and a record seven MVP awards (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004).

Roger Clemens - 2013 - P
Boston (AL) 1984-1996; Toronto (AL) 1997-1998; New York (AL) 1999-2003, 2007; Houston (NL) 2004-2006
Cap: Boston Red Sox (AL)
Known as the Rocket for his fiery temperament and overpowering fastball, Roger Clemens is considered by many as the best post-WWII pitcher—if not the best in all of baseball history. A workhorse pitcher who twice struck out 20 batters in a game, Clemens dominated the pitching landscape during his career. He led the league in wins (1986-1987, 1997-1998), winning percentage (1986, 2001, 2004), CG (1987-1988, 1997), SHO (1987-1988, 1990-1992, 1997), IP (1991, 1997), SO (1988, 1991, 1996-1998), ERA (1986, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2005), WHIP (1986, 1992, 1997), ERA+ (1986, 1990-1992, 1994, 1997-1998, 2005), H/9 (1986, 1994, 1998, 2005), SO/9 (1988, 1996, 1998), and SO/BB (1987-1988, 1990, 1992). Clemens was on two World Series winning teams (1999 and 2000 with the Yankees) along with seven other division winners (1986, 1988, 1990, 1995 with Boston and 2001-2003 with New York) and three wild-card winners (2004-2005 with Houston and 2007 with New York). Clemens’ 199 postseason innings are the fourth most all-time and his 173 strikeouts rank third all-time at the time of his induction. In his eight World Series starts, he went 3-0 with a 2.37 ERA and 49 strikeouts. For his career, Clemens ended up with the 9th most wins (354), 16th most innings pitched (4,916.2), third in strikeouts (4,672), seventh in games started (707), and tenth in ERA+ (143). All-time Red Sox leader in wins (192), SO (2,590), and SHO (38). Eleven-time All-Star (1986, 1988, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2001, 2003-2005) who won seven Cy Young awards (1986-1987, 1991, 1997-1998, 2001, 2004) and an MVP award (1986).

Mike Piazza - 2013 - C
12.2 seasons with Los Angeles (NL) 1992-1998; Florida (NL) 1998; New York (NL) 1998-2005; San Diego (NL) 2006; Oakland (AL) 2007
Cap: Los Angeles Dodgers (NL)
Considered by many to be the best-hitting catcher in Major League history, Mike Piazza hit like a first baseman while playing the most demanding position on the field. A 62nd round draft pick in 1988, Piazza made all the other teams look like fools for not drafting him in 1993 as he won the Rookie of the Year award by hitting .318/.370/.561 (153 OPS+) with 35 HR and 112 RBI. That rookie season announced Piazza as a force to be reckoned with for a long time, as it was his first of ten seasons wherein he would put up an OPS+ of 135 or better, leading the league in both 1995 (172) and 1997 (185). By the time Piazza retired, he held the record for the most HR (427, 396 while playing catcher) and highest slugging percentage (.545) for a catcher. Piazza hit .412/.545/.941 in the NLCS against the St. Louis Cardinals to help the 2000 wild-card winner New York Mets reach the World Series, and was also on two division winners (1995 Dodgers and 2006 Padres) and two other wild-card winners (1996 Dodgers and 1999 Mets). Twelve-time All-Star (1993-2002, 2004-2005) who won ten consecutive Silver Slugger awards (1993-2002). Has the highest career OPS+ in Dodgers history (160) and highest career SLG in Mets history (.542).

Craig Biggio - 2013 - 2B/C/CF
18.0 seasons with Houston (NL) 1988-2007
Cap: Houston Astros (NL)
A gritty player known for doing whatever it took to help the team, from getting hit by pitches (he led the league five times and has the second-most all-time with 285) to changing positions (he moved from C to 2B to CF to LF back to 2B over his long career), Craig Biggio’s impact on the field was undeniable. In 1992 the Astros moved Biggio from C to 2B in an effort to maximize his odds of being able to play every day and the gamble worked out as he quickly became the best 2B in the National League, a position he would hold throughout the 1990s. A sparkplug at the top of the lineup (one of only eight players with both 3,000 hits and 400 stolen bases), Biggio led the league in games played three times (1992, 1996-1997), PA five times (1992, 1995, 1997-1999), Runs twice (1995, 1997), 2B three times (1994, 1998, 1999) and SB once (1994). An integral member of the “Killer Bs” along with long-time teammate Jeff Bagwell, Biggio spent his entire career with the Astros and was part of four division winners (1997-1999, 2001) and two wild-card winners (2004-2005) making the World Series in 2005 (the first Houston team to win a pennant). At his induction, Biggio ranked in the top 25 all-time in G (16th—2,850), PA (10th—12,504), R (15th—1,844), H (21st—3,060), 2B (5th—668) and times on base (18th—4,505). Seven-time All-Star (1991-1992, 1994-1998) who won five Silver Slugger awards (1989, 1994-1995, 1997-1998) and four Gold Gloves (1994-1997). He holds the franchise record for most G, PA, R, H, TB (4,711), 2B, XBH (1,014), HBP, and times on base.

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   1301. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 23, 2007 at 02:31 AM (#2589808)
New plaques are up!
   1302. Chris Fluit Posted: October 23, 2007 at 02:38 AM (#2589823)
Hey John. I thought that the precedent was to assign players caps according to their home countries. That's why Dihigo is with the Habana Reds and Mendez is with the Almendares Blues. I guess I just figured that if Oms ever got in, it would be with his native Santa Clara cap even if he played more seasons in the US with the Cuban Stars.
   1303. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 23, 2007 at 02:45 AM (#2589833)
Hey John. I thought that the precedent was to assign players caps according to their home countries.


No, caps are assigned for the team that was given the most value from that player, Chris.
   1304. Chris Fluit Posted: October 23, 2007 at 02:53 AM (#2589842)
I guess I was just remembering the Quincy Trouppe plaque- we went with the Cleveland Buckeyes rather than his Mexican team.
   1305. Chris Fluit Posted: October 23, 2007 at 02:54 AM (#2589844)
ps. Not trying to be difficult. I'm glad with gave Trouppe the Buckeyes, and I'd prefer we give Oms Santa Clara, but it's not a big deal.
   1306. DavidFoss Posted: October 23, 2007 at 03:14 AM (#2589861)
Giants, Cuban Stars and Yankees each get caps thanks to Will Clark, Alejandro Oms and Graig Nettles

Oms didn't get a chance to play major league baseball, but if he did, the 20s and 30s were loaded with great Yankee & Giant teams.

Speaking of which, the Yankee & Giant clubs are the winningest franchises in their respective leagues and have met several times in the World Series. The Giants won the first two meetings (1921, 1922) as the senior tennant in two all-Polo-Grounds Series. Once Yankee Stadium opened, the Yankees have prevailed in their next five meetings -- 1923, 1936, 1937, 1951 and in 1962 after the Giants moved to the West Coast.

Giants extend their cap lead and the Yankees climb into the a tie for 3rd.

<u>2006 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1. Giants - 18 (Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 16 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T. Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T. Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
5. Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
7. Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
8T. Athletics - 10 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8T. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
9T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
9T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
9T. Reds - 9 (Bench, CJones, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
9T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
14. Red Sox - 7 (Boggs, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16. Orioles - 5 (Murray, Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
17T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T.Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.Nationals - 2 (GCarter, Dawson)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
31T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
31T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
31T.Blue Jays - 1 (Stieb)
31T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
31T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
31T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
31T.Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
31T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
31T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
31T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
31T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
31T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
31T.Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
31T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
31T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
31T.Padres - 1 (Winfield)
31T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
31T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
31T.Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
31T.Royals - 1 (Brett)
31T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   1307. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: October 23, 2007 at 04:28 AM (#2589897)
Hey, John, what time today did you start on the Nettles plaque? ;-)
   1308. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 23, 2007 at 10:48 AM (#2589948)
Hey, John, what time today did you start on the Nettles plaque? ;-)


As soon it was confirmed that he won, Devin. :-)
   1309. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 23, 2007 at 11:01 AM (#2589949)
I guess I was just remembering the Quincy Trouppe plaque- we went with the Cleveland Buckeyes rather than his Mexican team.


The same rule applies, Chris. He created more value with the Buckeyes than he did with any of his Mexican League teams.
   1310. Chris Fluit Posted: October 23, 2007 at 12:21 PM (#2589965)
Either way, Oms gets us our 51st different cap. Browning gave us our 50th.
   1311. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 24, 2007 at 04:02 PM (#2591475)
Regarding Oms:

A member of one NeL East-West winner (second-half) and four Cuban Winter League championship teams.

Which teams and years were these?
   1312. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 24, 2007 at 04:34 PM (#2591520)
I'll add those teams sometime today, Ivan.
   1313. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 24, 2007 at 04:41 PM (#2591524)
Great thanks! I really don't know the answer.
   1314. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 24, 2007 at 05:50 PM (#2591601)
I added all of the ones that I could find, Ivan, but I still can't find the Almendares team that Oms was on when they won the championship. Does anyone know someone who might know the season that was?
   1315. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 24, 2007 at 06:10 PM (#2591633)
According to Wikipedia the 1945-46 Elefantes de Cienfuegos team won a title as well. Was Oms not on that team?
   1316. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 24, 2007 at 06:15 PM (#2591642)
According to Wikipedia the 1945-46 Elefantes de Cienfuegos team won a title as well. Was Oms not on that team?


That looks like the right year, Ivan. Very confusing trying to find this information on the Net.
   1317. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 24, 2007 at 06:21 PM (#2591650)
Oops! I guess the team was called the Petroleros till 1950. Still don't know which Almendares team he was on that won though.
   1318. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 24, 2007 at 06:36 PM (#2591678)
According to Cubanball.com Almendares won in 1939-40. Wasn't Oms on that team as well?
   1319. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 24, 2007 at 07:55 PM (#2591805)
Wasn't Oms on that team as well?


You got me, Ivan. If someone knows, please let me know.
   1320. Brent Posted: October 25, 2007 at 04:36 AM (#2592762)
I spent a few minutes looking through Figueredo for info that might be appropriate for the Oms plaque. I count 6 Cuban League penant winners on which Oms had significant playing time:
1923-24 - Santa Clara
1927-28 - Habana
1928-29 - Habana
1935-36 - Santa Clara
1937-38 - Santa Clara
1939-40 - Almendares
He was a regular on the first four teams and a part-time player/4th outfielder on the last two.

Finally, in 1945-46 he had 1 AB with pennant winner, Cienfuegos. I probably wouldn't include it on his plque.

Again, I wouldn't mention it on his plaque, but he also played for the champion of the Spring 1924 special season, Santa Clara. Special seasons generally aren't counted the same as regular league championships. Also, in 1932-33 his team, Habana, tied for the league lead with Almendares, but political turmoil prevented a playoff series from being held.

Some other times he led the Cuban League in hitting categories:
Runs scored - 1931-32
Hits - 1931-32
Doubles - 1924-25 (tied), 28-29, 32-33
HR - 1931-32

His batting average in 1928-29, .432, is regarded as the single-season Cuban League record by Figueredo (who, I suppose is the de facto record keeper for the league.)

Ranking on Cuban League career leader boards:
5th in runs scored (373)
10th in doubles (99)
8th in triples (35)
6th in stolen bases (101)
2nd in average (.345) (1st place is held by Torriente)

The batting average ranking is definitely worth mentioning. The others are probably less impressive, since several non-HoM players rank ahead of him (though most of the players who rank ahead of him in the counting statistics had the advantage of playing in longer seasons during the 1940s and 50s).
   1321. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 25, 2007 at 11:59 AM (#2592863)
Thanks, Brent! I'll update his plaque sometime today.
   1322. Chris Fluit Posted: October 28, 2007 at 08:02 PM (#2597210)
Back in January, I wrote some comments about the various expansion teams and their expectations of caps. I thought it would be fun to review those comments:

1961: The Angels are already on the board with Bobby Grich. However, it might be a long time before Grich has any company especially if we decide to give Ryan an Astros cap.
And we did indeed give Ryan the Angels cap making the Angels one of three expansion teams with more than one cap.

1961: The Rangers are going to be waiting a long time. Their first real candidate is Kevin Brown and he isn't eligible until 2011. Their first slamdunk candidate is Ivan Rodriguez and he's not even done playing yet.
Kevin Brown is looking more and more like a sure thing for the HoM in 2011 so the Rangers should get a representative sooner rather than later. Though it's not a sure thing that Brown actually goes in as a Ranger. For now, the Rangers are the only '60s expansion franchise without a cap.

1962: The Astros look to be in pretty good shape for getting their first cap as Jimmy Wynn has been one of the top backloggers for some time. They could get a second one in Ryan, unless he goes to the Angels. If not Ryan, Wynn will have to wait for company until Bagwell becomes eligible in 2011.
As mentioned previously, Ryan went in as an Angel, leaving Wynn as the sole Astro until Bagwell and Biggio become eligible in 2011 and 2013.

1962: The Mets are in with one thanks to Seaver. At this point, there's no clear candidate for number two.
There are actually candidates to be number two, three and four. Gooden is receiving a handful of votes, though he's nowhere close to induction. Rusty Staub has been a top twenty-five backlogger. And now David Cone looks to be a legitimate candidate (though he may be considered a Yankee).

1969: The Royals will be guaranteed a cap in 1999 thanks to George Brett. But he'll be their one and only for awhile.
Bret Saberhagen is making a run at being the Royals second cap.

1969: The Padres might not get a cap until 2007 when Tony Gwynn becomes eligible, though we could always follow the other Hall's lead and induct Winfield as a Padre instead of as a Yankee.
And we did follow the HoF lead, inducting Winfield as a Padre. Gwynn will join him after the next election.

1969: The Brewers, like the Royals, are guaranteed a cap in 1999 thanks to Robin Yount. They'll probably get a second one shortly after that as Paul Molitor is eligible in 2004. (And I thought they'd get one earlier than that but despite my recollections, Ted Simmons clearly goes in as a Cardinal not a Brewer.)
The Brewers got both, joining the Angels as an expansion team with two caps.

1969: The Expos/Nationals could be the first expansion franchise to three caps depending on what we do with Gary Carter (eligible in 1998), Andre Dawson (2002) and Tim Raines (2008). They'll at least get the one for Carter before we're done.
So far so good for the Expos/Nationals. We elected Dawson already and Raines looks like a lock for 2008. That would make the Expos the first expansion franchise to three caps. One can never predict the future, but Vladimir Guerrero could one day help them be the first to four as well.

That's the first eight franchises. With the exception of the Rangers, they should all have one before we're done though no more than three will have a second cap (Astros or Angels but not both, Brewers, possibly Expos).

The outlook for the newer franchises is even bleaker.
1977: The Mariners can look forward to plenty of future caps- possibly as early as 2010 when Edgar Martinez is eligible- but they'll be left out 'til then.

2010 is a packed year. Edgar might have to wait until 2011 or 2012.

1977: The Blue Jays could get lucky with Dave Stieb who is eligible in 1998 which would make them the only one of the later franchises to have a cap by the time we catch up to the Hall of Fame. If not him, they'll have to wait until Roberto Alomar is eligible in 2010.
And Stieb got in, making the Blue Jays the only one of the later expansion franchises to have a representative.

1993: The Rockies have a couple of outside candidates eligible in 2010 and 2011 with Andres Galarraga and Larry Walker but neither candidate is a shoo-in.
Galarraga probably won't get in. Walker has a better chance, though he may have to wait 'til 2012.

1993: The Marlins best bet at this point is Gary Sheffield.
Still waiting on Sheff to retire.

1998: The Diamondbacks best candidate is Randy Johnson but that also depends on how the caps are awarded as he could go in as a Mariner.
Still waiting on Johnson to retire.

1998: The Devil Rays could have a HoMer in Fred McGriff but if he goes in it'll be as a Blue Jay or a Brave.
McGriff is looking better for induction as the backlog dries up. He'll be fighting it out with Edgar and Walker. Though, it's still unlikely that he'll go in as a Devil Ray. That means that Tampa Bay is waiting to have a Meritorious player, let alone waiting for one to retire.

I don't think the Orioles or the Red Sox have to worry about having an expansion franchise catch them in the standings for a long time.

Still true. The Red Sox are up to 7, the Twins are at 6 and Ripken will give the Orioles a 6th this year. With strong backloggers like Reggie Smith and Kirby Puckett, and with future eligibles like Mike Mussina, the trailing members of the original 16 should keep quite a gap between themselves and the best of the expansion teams.
   1323. Evan Posted: October 29, 2007 at 01:19 PM (#2598539)
With Nettles' election, the Yankees will become the 2nd team (after the Cubs) to field an entire starting lineup of HOMers once Jeter becomes eligible.
   1324. Chris Fluit Posted: October 29, 2007 at 03:51 PM (#2598745)
Actually, the Giants might beat them to it. The Giants can already do it if you move Ward to 2B and McCovey to LF, positions they actually played though not as their primary position. However, the Giants should be getting a legitimate line-up soon enough with a LF in Bonds and probably a 2B in Kent. And both of those guys are likely to be eligible before Jeter. The Yankees will get there but if they want to beat the Giants, they'll have to hope Rizzuto follows Nettles up the chart.
   1325. DL from MN Posted: October 29, 2007 at 03:53 PM (#2598748)
> once Jeter becomes eligible

Assuming Rizzuto isn't elected in the next dozen years...
   1326. OCF Posted: October 29, 2007 at 07:17 PM (#2599065)
The Cardinals can also already do a full team - it merely requires playing Musial in CF, and he did have 325 games there in his career, with one season as his primary position.
C: Simmons
1B:Mize (with Hernandez as defensive replacement)
2B: Hornsby (with Frisch as defensive replacement/ Utility IF)
3B: Boyer
SS; Smith
LF: Medwick
CF: Musial
RF: Slaughter
SP: Gibson
P/PH: Caruthers
   1327. OCF Posted: October 29, 2007 at 11:53 PM (#2599419)
By the way, what cap does McGwire get? Oakland, I guess, but the Cardinals are already overstocked at 1B anyway with Pujols waiting for his turn. And the Cardinals may have another CF candidate coming in Edmonds, although he's hardly a slam dunk.
   1328. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R) Posted: October 30, 2007 at 12:20 AM (#2599458)
Really? I see Edmonds as a mortal lock...given his position and fielding, he has the peak of a Kiner/Keller and the career of a Dawson. Then again, my system is impressed with a lot of the modern guys--I see Giles, Giambi, Rolen, Chipper, Thome, Palmeiro, Posada, Walker, Vlad, Chipper, and Edgar Martinez as above the current in/out line based on what they've done to date. But that may be in part because there's no "steroids" variable in my standard deviation regression. Bernie Williams, Abreu, Ventura, Luis González, Kent, Helton, and McGriff are on the wrong side of my line.
   1329. Chris Fluit Posted: October 30, 2007 at 12:48 AM (#2599489)
Forgot somebody in my earlier evaluation: Palmeiro. He's pretty likely to go into the Hall of Merit, and he'd definitely go in as a Ranger. So the Rangers look pretty good to get their first cap by 2011/12, even if Kevin Brown goes in with a different cap. Otherwise, the Rangers could go from 0 to 2 in one election.
   1330. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R) Posted: October 30, 2007 at 12:57 AM (#2599499)
No way Brown should get a Ranger cap. I have his career value as follows:

32.7% Los Angeles
23.8% Texas
21.7% Florida
12.7% San Diego
5.9% Baltimore
3.2% New York

Clearly a Dodger.
   1331. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 30, 2007 at 01:00 PM (#2599908)
Clearly a Dodger.


I have to agree, Dan. Brown packed in about the same amount of value in LA that he had in Texas in far fewer innings. I have to go with Dodger Blue for him, too.

By the way, what cap does McGwire get? Oakland, I guess,


Excellent guess, OCF. ;-) It's actually not even close, despite Big Mac's '98.
   1332. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 13, 2007 at 07:33 PM (#2613542)
New plaques were up last night!

I forgot to "bump" this thread. :-)
   1333. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:21 AM (#2618251)
Just for a fun comparison, here’s the differences by team between the HoF and HoM, in the same format as the regular cap list. (Not including any team assignments we might differ with.)

Angels - HoM: Grich
Astros - HoM: JWynn
Athletics - HoM: McGwire; HoF: Bender, Hunter
Balt. Black Sox - HoM: Beckwith
Blue Jays - HoM: Stieb
Braves - HoM: Barnes, ESutton, McVey, Torre, White; HoF: Duffy, Maranville, TMcCarthy, Willis
Brooklyn Atlantics - HoM: Pearce, Start
Brooklyn Royal Giants - HoM: GJohnson
Buffalo Bisons - HoM: Richardson
Cardinals - HoM: Boyer, Caruthers, Hernandez, TSimmons; HoF: Bottomley, Brock, Dean, Hafey, Haines, Schoendienst, Sutter
Cleveland Blues - HoM: Glasscock
Cleveland Buckeyes - HoM: Trouppe
Cuban Stars - HoM: Oms
Cubs - HoM: Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Santo, Sheckard; HoF: Chance, Cuyler, Evers, HWilson, Tinker
Detroit Stars - HoF: ACooper
Detroit Wolverines - HoM: Bennett
Dodgers - HoF: Grimes
Giants - HoM: DaEvans, WClark; HoF: Cepeda, GKelly, Lindstrom, Marquard, TJackson, Welch, Youngs
Hilldale - HoF: JJohnson
Indianapolis ABCs - HoF: Taylor
Indians - HoM: JJackson, WFerrell; HoF: Joss
KC Monarchs - HoM: Moore; HoF: HSmith
Louisville Colonels - HoM: Browning
Nationals - HoM: Dawson
Newark Eagles - HoF: Dandridge, Day
Orioles - HoF: RFerrell
Phillies - HoM: Allen, Magee; HoF: Bancroft, Klein
Philadelphia Athletics – AA - HoM: Stovey
Pirates - HoF: LWaner, Mazeroski, Traynor
Providence Grays - HoM: Hines
Red Sox - HoM: DwEvans; HoF: Hooper
Reds - HoM: CJones, Groh, Rose; HoF: Lombardi, Perez
Spiders - HoM: Childs
St. Louis Brown Stockings - HoM: Pike
Tigers - HoM: Freehan, Trammell, Whitaker; HoF: Kell
Twins - HoM: Blyleven; HoF: Manush, Puckett, SRice
White Sox - HoM: Minoso, Pierce; HoF: Aparicio, Schalk
Yankees - HoM: Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Nettles, Randolph; HoF: Chesbro, Combs, Gomez, Hoyt, Lazzeri, Pennock, Rizzuto
   1334. DavidFoss Posted: November 30, 2007 at 05:12 AM (#2628807)
Late this year.

Orioles, Padres and Athletics get caps thanks to Ripken, Gwynn and McGwire. These three contemporaries went to 19, 15 and 12 all-star games respectively. All three we selected for the the 87, 89-92 and 95-99 games.

The Padres have never met either of the other two clubs in the postseason, but the Orioles and A's met in the ALCS three times in four years with the Orioles winning in 1971 and the A's winning in 1973 & 1974.

Players who have played for all three franchises include Curt Blefary, Storm Davis, Greg Meyers, Ramon Hernandez, Jay Payton and Jack Cust.

<u>2007 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1. Giants - 18 (Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 16 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T. Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T. Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6. Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
7T. Athletics - 11 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, McGwire, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
7T. Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
9. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
10T.Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
10T.Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T.Reds - 9 (Bench, CJones, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
10T.White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
14. Red Sox - 7 (Boggs, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15T.Orioles - 6 (Murray, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T.Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
17T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T.Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.Nationals - 2 (GCarter, Dawson)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
33T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
33T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
33T.Blue Jays - 1 (Stieb)
33T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
33T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
33T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
33T.Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
33T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
33T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
33T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
33T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
33T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
33T.Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
33T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
33T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
33T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
33T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
33T.Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
33T.Royals - 1 (Brett)
33T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   1335. DavidFoss Posted: December 05, 2007 at 03:54 AM (#2634857)
Which cap is Lundy getting? I assume Expos and Royals for the other two.
   1336. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 05, 2007 at 02:30 PM (#2635208)
Which cap is Lundy getting? I assume Expos and Royals for the other two.


Lundy gets an Atlantic City Bacharach Giants cap, while you're correct about the other two, David.
   1337. DavidFoss Posted: December 06, 2007 at 07:50 AM (#2636476)
Nationals, Royals and Atlantic City Bacharach Giants get caps thanks to Raines, Saberhagen and Lundy.

These teams never met in the postseason. Not many notable players played for bot the Royals and Expos/Nationals. The biggest names include Mark Grudzielanek, Rondell White, Dan Schatzeder, Steve Renko and Matt Stairs.

<u>2008 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1. Giants - 18 (Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie,

Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 16 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T. Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T. Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6. Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
7T. Athletics - 11 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, McGwire, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
7T. Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
9. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
10T.Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
10T.Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T.Reds - 9 (Bench, CJones, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
10T.White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
14. Red Sox - 7 (Boggs, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15T.Orioles - 6 (Murray, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T.Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
17T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T.Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T.Nationals - 3 (GCarter, Dawson, Raines)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
25T.Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
25T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
25T.Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
25T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
25T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
25T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
25T.Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
25T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
25T.Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen)
34T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
34T.Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy)
34T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
34T.Blue Jays - 1 (Stieb)
34T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
34T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
34T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
34T.Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
34T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
34T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
34T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
34T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
34T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
34T.Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
34T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
34T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
34T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
34T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
34T.Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
34T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   1338. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 06, 2007 at 03:00 PM (#2636605)
Thanks, David!

I have posted Raines' plaque. The other two should be finished in a day or two.
   1339. DL from MN Posted: December 06, 2007 at 05:13 PM (#2636840)
"during the Eighties"

We have inductees from both sets of 80s.
   1340. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 06, 2007 at 05:42 PM (#2636903)
We have inductees from both sets of 80s.


You have a point, DL, though most people should figure out what century I'm talking about. ;-) With that said, I'll adjust the plaque(s) at some point.
   1341. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: December 06, 2007 at 08:41 PM (#2637229)
As promised at some point, here's the updated city standings. Most of the commentary is the same. There's a tie on top, but Chicago has no candidates high in the backlog, while New York has Rizzuto and Cone (not that I'm sure which NY team he'd be wearing). It seems very odd, but I'm assuming McGraw would be an Oriole for our purposes. Looking ahead, I can see Ventura and Bernie getting some support but I'm not sure how much. Among the still actives, Chicago has Sosa and Thomas, New York has Jeter and Rivera. Piazza and A-Rod's caps will be debatable, as will Posada's candidacy. This could go on for a while.

1T. Chicago - 28 (Anson, Appling, Banks, BrownM, ClarksonJ, CollinsE, Dahlen, Faber, FosterW, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, HermanB, HillP, Jenkins, KellyK, Lyons, Minoso, PierceB, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, WilliamsBi)
1T. New York - 28 (Berra, Bresnahan, Connor, DavisG, Dickey, DiMaggioJ, Ewing, FordW, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, WilliamsSJ)
3. Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, AllenD, Ashburn, BakerF, Carlton, Cochrane, Delahanty, FosterR, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank, RobertsR, Schmidt, SimmonsA, StoveyH, Thompson, Waddell)
4T. Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, FerrellW, Flick, Glasscock, JacksonJ, Lajoie, Lemon, SewellJ, Speaker, TrouppeQ, WynnE, YoungC)
4T. St. Louis - 18 (BellCP, BoyerK, Caruthers, Frisch, GibsonB, HernandezK, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, SimmonsT, Sisler, Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, WellsW)
6. Boston - 15 (Barnes, Boggs, CollinsJ, Doerr, EvansDw, Fisk, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, SuttonE, WhiteD, WilliamsT, WrightD, Yastrzemski)
7T. Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, Whitaker)
7T. Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, BrownR, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, GibsonJ, Kiner, LeonardB, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, WanerP)
9. Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, JohnsonHR, Pearce, Reese, RobinsonJ, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
10T. Baltimore - 9 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, Murray, Palmer, Ripken, RobinsonB, WilsonJ)
10T. Cincinnati - 9 (Bench, Groh, Jones, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, RobinsonF, Rose, Roush)
12T. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
12T. San Francisco - 6 (ClarkW, EvansDa, Marichal, MaysW, McCovey, PerryG)
14. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, BrownW, MooreD, Rogan, Saberhagen)
15. Oakland - 4 (Eckersley, Fingers, JacksonR, McGwire)
16T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
16T. Los Angeles - 3 (Drysdale, Koufax, SuttonD)
16T. Montreal - 3 (CarterG, Dawson, Raines)
16T. Minneapolis - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
16T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, JohnsonW)
21T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, RyanN)
21T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
21T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
24T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
24T. Atlanta - 1 (NiekroP)
24T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy)
24T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
24T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
24T. Houston - 1 (WynnJ)
24T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
24T. Louisville – 1 (Browning)
24T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
24T. Toronto – 1 (Stieb)
N/A - 2 (GrantF, Oms)

The Cuban Giants don't appear to have had a home for more than a year at a time, and the Cuban Stars were explicitly a traveling team, so I really didn't feel I could assign them anywhere. Almendares was a suburb of Havana (it is now part of the city). Darby (Hilldale) is a suburb of Philadelphia. Homestead was counted as part of Pittsburgh (but I could possibly be talked out of that).

The decisions between cities were pretty straightforward, with the exception of Joe Torre. He definitely had more value in Milwaukee than Atlanta, but it could be argued that he had more in St. Louis than either. I chose to stick with the Braves.

And now for some silliness

Cities with current major league teams that are unrepresented (by length of team existence): Dallas/Arlington (nobody noticed I forgot them on the first go-round), Seattle, Denver, Miami, Phoenix, Tampa Bay/St. Petersburg

Cities with prior major league teams that are unrepresented (# of games played by teams in parentheses): Columbus (614), Troy (325), Worcester (249), Toledo (236), Syracuse (192), Hartford (126), Rochester (126), Richmond (42), Altoona (25), Wilmington (18), St. Paul (8)

Cities not yet mentioned that had Negro League teams in one of the major Negro Leagues, per b-r.com wiki, including the Negro Southern League for 1932 only. (Number of years teams competed, through 1950, in parentheses): Memphis (21), Birmingham (19), Harrisburg (5), Jacksonville (3), Dayton (2), Nashville (2), New Orleans (2), Monroe (LA) (1), Montgomery (1)

Cities with only NA teams: Elizabeth, NJ, Fort Wayne, Keokuk, IA, Middletown, CT, New Haven, Rockford, IL.

Cities where major league teams have played games (pre-1900): Albany, Canton, Collinwood OH, Covington, Dover, Elmira, NY, Geauga Lake OH, Gloucester City NJ, Greenbush NY, Hoboken, Irondequoit NY, Ludlow KY, Maspeth NY, Springfield MA, St. George NY, Three Rivers NY, Weehawken NJ, West New York, Wheeling (from retrosheet:http://www.retrosheet.org/neutral19.htm)

Cities where major league teams have played games (post-1900): Canton, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids, Honolulu, Jersey City, Las Vegas, Monterey, Orlando (Lake Buena Vista), San Juan, Tokyo, Warwick RI (from retrosheet: http://www.retrosheet.org/neutral.htm)

Caps by state:
1. New York (41)
2. Pennsylvania (33)
3. Illinois (28)
4. Ohio (27)
5. Missouri (23)
6. California (17)
7. Massachusetts (15)
8. Michigan (13)
9. Maryland (9)
10. Wisconsin (6)
11. Minnesota, Quebec, District of Columbia (3)
12. Cuba, New Jersey, Rhode Island (2)
13. Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Ontario, Texas (1)
   1342. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: December 06, 2007 at 09:02 PM (#2637269)
Ach, 2 kinda-errors. By my rules, I shouldn't have included Newark under the list of cities with games played post-1900 since it had already been listed. (And I realized that when I drew the list up yesterday, I just did a last minute check today and stuck it in.) And I probably shouldn't have assumed everyone would know Elmira is in New York. (While we're at it, Middletown is in CT, Elizabeth in NJ, Keokuk in IA and Rockford in IL.)

Just to be punctillious, the list of all cities that did not have MLB teams since 1900 that were used for neutral-site games in this period: Canton, Columbus, Dayton, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids, Honolulu, Jersey City, Las Vegas, Monterey, Newark, Orlando, San Juan, Tokyo, Toledo, Warwick RI.
   1343. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 06, 2007 at 10:52 PM (#2637432)
I'll take care of the errors for you sometime today, Devin.

BTW, I would like to add your list to the top of the page with David's cap standings, if you don't mind. In fact, I would like to, if not in the Plaque Room, create a page for many of the lists (like Howie's and OCF's, for example) now that we have caught up to the HOF.

As for Lundy's plaque, it has been posted (though Ryan may feel like "buchering" it later on :-D). If anyone knows the years he played for the New York Lincoln Giants and Brooklyn Royal Giants, as well as the years and teams he played for in the CWL, I would greatly appreciate it.
   1344. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 07, 2007 at 12:21 AM (#2637517)
The decisions between cities were pretty straightforward, with the exception of Joe Torre. He definitely had more value in Milwaukee than Atlanta, but it could be argued that he had more in St. Louis than either. I chose to stick with the Braves.


Torre had easily more value in St. Louis than either in Milwaukee or Atlanta, so maybe he should receive a Cardinal cap for that specific list with an asterisk next to it explaining why it's different than the franchise cap standings. But that's your call, Devin.
   1345. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 07, 2007 at 01:30 AM (#2637573)
The last plaque to be posted until next year at this time has been posted.
   1346. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 07, 2007 at 07:31 AM (#2637737)
Member of four division-champs (1984, 1995, 1998-99)

If the last three refer to the Rockies and Red Sox, weren't they Wild Card teams rather than division champs?
   1347. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: December 07, 2007 at 08:54 PM (#2638279)
Hey, John. No problem with putting my list up top. 3 things.

1) I forgot to include the note explaining what the asterisks mean. Here's what I would use, but feel free to edit it for style: (Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.)

2) On Joe Torre, my preference would be to leave him with Milwaukee. My feeling is that the cap designations are the starting point of the analysis, so I'll stick with that. As Paul Wendt pointed out, you could do a more thorough workup where you break up each player's full career (and maybe I will at some point).

3) Typical American- or maybe North American-centric thinking, I never thought of Cuban provinces. Of course, it turns out to not be that simple. Both Almendares and Havana were located in what is now Havana, which by current naming would be the province of Ciduad de La Habana. However, before 1970, when the players were active, Havana was part of the larger province, La Habana, which has been subdivided. If you have a strong opinion about which we should use, go ahead.
   1348. DavidFoss Posted: December 07, 2007 at 09:16 PM (#2638309)
(Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.)

Newark might deserve an asterisk. Its only five miles from Manhattan.

Down below, Saint Paul is arguably one of the home cities of the Minnesota Twins. But, that could be the Saint-Paul-native in me who hates when people from other places refer to non-Laker Minnesota sports teams as 'Minneapolis'. :-)
   1349. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: December 07, 2007 at 09:29 PM (#2638320)
Minneapolis/St. Paul is fine with me.

Now, see, the New Jerseyan in me objects when people try to make all of North Jersey into part of New York. God knows the NY papers don't give anywhere near the attention to the Nets and Devils that they do to the Knicks and Rangers. Granted, it's about as far from Manhattan as Darby is from Philadelphia, but it has a population of 280,000 as opposed to 10,000. Plus it's in a different state.

Look at it this way - if you asked someone on one of those teams where they play, is it possible they might answer with the name of the larger city? I'd think for Brooklyn, Almendares and Darby, the answer is a definite yes. Anaheim, well Arte might make them say L.A. But would anyone playing in Newark say they play in New York? I don't think so. (Note: What they might say to impress someone they want to get into bed doesn't count.)
   1350. DavidFoss Posted: December 07, 2007 at 10:03 PM (#2638355)
Just tossing ideas out there. These types of things never really have any right or wrong answers.

Los Angeles is the "City of Angels" and they only changed their name in the 60s-70s fashion of teams not wanting to claim a team unless it was with the city limits. That's why we still have crazy names like "New England Patriots" and "Golden State Warriors"... and I think I was in college before I found out that "Tampa Bay" was not a city like Green Bay was.

Anyhow, these types of discussion always take on a different flavor inside and out of metro areas. I lived in LA for a while. LA & Orange Counties certainly don't have a lot of mutual respect for each other and the LA paper sure loves its Dodgers and could care less about the Angels. But to anyone who doesn't live in Southern California its all "Los Angeles". By trying to revert the team name to Los Angeles, I think the owner is trying to capture some the allegiance of some of the millions of people in LA county in an attempt to increase their revenues.

Rambling a bit now... its a fun ramble, though... its friday... :-)
   1351. Paul Wendt Posted: December 08, 2007 at 06:25 PM (#2638925)
The strong showing by Cleveland has been marked before.

6. Boston - 15 (Barnes, Boggs, CollinsJ, Doerr, EvansDw, Fisk, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, SuttonE, WhiteD, WilliamsT, WrightD, Yastrzemski)

That is WrightGeorge

Boston 1870s - 7 (Barnes, McVey, O'Rourke, Spalding, SuttonE, WhiteD, WrightG)</i>
That is O'Rourke plus six men who were playing professionally in the sixties (not in Boston). Sutton's best years in Boston were in the eighties but his peak was in the seventies.

Boston "modern" - 8 (Boggs, CollinsJ, Doerr, EvansDw, Fisk, Nichols, WilliamsT, Yastrzemski)
   1352. Paul Wendt Posted: December 08, 2007 at 07:06 PM (#2638942)
Dallas/Arlington (nobody noticed I forgot them on the first go-round)

That still doesn't ring a bell for me. When were they in the league?

--
Cities with prior major league teams that are unrepresented (# of games played by teams in parentheses): Columbus (614), Troy (325), Worcester (249), Toledo (236), Syracuse (192), Hartford (126), Rochester (126), Richmond (42), Altoona (25), Wilmington (18), <u>St. Paul (8)</u>

Cities not yet mentioned that had Negro League teams in one of the major Negro Leagues, per b-r.com wiki, including the Negro Southern League for 1932 only. (Number of years teams competed, through 1950, in parentheses): Memphis (21), Birmingham (19), Harrisburg (5), Jacksonville (3), Dayton (2), Nashville (2), New Orleans (2), Monroe LA (1), Montgomery (1)

Cities with only NA teams: <u>Elizabeth NJ</u>, Fort Wayne IN, Keokuk IA, Middletown CT, New Haven CT, Rockford IL.

Cities where major league teams have played games (pre-1900): Albany, Canton, Collinwood OH, Covington, Dover, Elmira NY, Geauga Lake OH, Gloucester City NJ, Greenbush NY, Hoboken, Irondequoit NY, Ludlow KY, Maspeth NY, Springfield MA, St. George NY, Three Rivers NY, Weehawken NJ, West New York, Wheeling (from retrosheet:http://www.retrosheet.org/neutral19.htm)

[emphasis mine; edited for uniform style in state abbreviations (no comma)]

taking this too seriously:
St Paul MN and Elizabeth NJ - underscored in a nod to the remarks on St Paul and Newark.

Several of the cities collected here were close to major league cities when they hosted games and some were already part of one metropolitan area --in some cases, hosting mlb games simply as distinct jurisdictions who permitted that commercial activity on Sunday.

No major league games in Jersey City? Did Hoboken, Weehawken, and/or West New York become Jersey City?

Here is some allocation of the penultimate collection:

Cities where major league teams have played games (pre-1900):
Albany NY, Canton OH, Dover DE, Elmira NY, Springfield MA, Wheeling WV (from retrosheet:http://www.retrosheet.org/neutral19.htm)</i>

[New York] Hoboken NJ, Maspeth NY, St. George NY, Weehawken NJ, West New York NJ (not to mention Brooklyn)
[Rochester] Irondequoit NY
[Syracuse] Three Rivers NY
[Troy] Greenbush NY
[Cleveland] Collinwood OH (Euclid Township), Geaugua Lake OH
[Cincinnati] Covington KY, Ludlow KY
[Philadelphia] Gloucester City NJ
   1353. Paul Wendt Posted: December 08, 2007 at 07:12 PM (#2638943)
The filename at retrosheet is still "neutral19.htm" but the title "alternate site" indicates neutrality regarding neutrality. Genuinely neutral sites such as Covington and Ludlow are grouped with alternate sites for the local team such as Weehawken. Footnotes provide "reason for move" but many games still need footnotes.
   1354. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 10, 2007 at 07:06 PM (#2640235)
If the last three refer to the Rockies and Red Sox, weren't they Wild Card teams rather than division champs?


I took care of it.

BTW, I should have mentioned you on the 2008 election results thread. You have been most helpful and I thank you.
   1355. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 10, 2007 at 07:29 PM (#2640269)
1) I forgot to include the note explaining what the asterisks mean. Here's what I would use, but feel free to edit it for style: (Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.)


Will do, Devin.

2) On Joe Torre, my preference would be to leave him with Milwaukee. My feeling is that the cap designations are the starting point of the analysis, so I'll stick with that. As Paul Wendt pointed out, you could do a more thorough workup where you break up each player's full career (and maybe I will at some point).


That's fine by me.

3) Typical American- or maybe North American-centric thinking, I never thought of Cuban provinces. Of course, it turns out to not be that simple. Both Almendares and Havana were located in what is now Havana, which by current naming would be the province of Ciduad de La Habana. However, before 1970, when the players were active, Havana was part of the larger province, La Habana, which has been subdivided. If you have a strong opinion about which we should use, go ahead.


For the time being, I'll leave them the way they are.

6. Boston - 15 (Barnes, Boggs, CollinsJ, Doerr, EvansDw, Fisk, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, SuttonE, WhiteD, WilliamsT, WrightD, Yastrzemski)

That is WrightGeorge


No problem, Paul, since it wasn't my error. :-) Thanks for pointing it out.

Minneapolis/St. Paul is fine with me.


Same here, guys. There's a reason why they had those two players on their logo years ago.

Dallas/Arlington (nobody noticed I forgot them on the first go-round)

That still doesn't ring a bell for me. When were they in the league?


I have a feeling many fans of that team have shared that sentiment at one point during their 35 years in the AL. :-)
   1356.  Hey Gurl Posted: December 21, 2007 at 08:07 AM (#2651415)
Sorry if this post is misplaced, but I'm not sure where else to put it:

I have been following the HoM with interest since about "1940," but I've never voted because I'm not much on baseball history (I've learned a lot from you guys.) In any case, I noticed some talk earlier about having a website that presents this thread in a more user-friendly way.

I was wondering what the status is on this project. I am a computer guy and would be willing to help if help is needed; I think that such a website would be wonderful for people like me who use the HoM as a reference for evaluating players.

So yeah, just wondering how that's coming and if you need a hand at all.
   1357. DL from MN Posted: December 21, 2007 at 03:23 PM (#2651505)
> wondering how that's coming

Nobody's working on it. Feel free to step up and add your vision to the project. Throw together a mock-up plaque for discussion. This is a pretty DIY forum.
   1358. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 21, 2007 at 04:04 PM (#2651538)
Homestead was counted as part of Pittsburgh (but I could possibly be talked out of that).


It does have a separate ZIP code. However, the Grays played many of their games, even in the early years, in Pittsburgh (Cum Posey was based in the Hill District). I'd probably leave it as is.

-- MWE
   1359. Paul Wendt Posted: December 22, 2007 at 01:42 AM (#2651977)
Last night I made the trivial point that
Walter Johnson and George Brett are listed out of alphabetical order. So are Jenkins and Boyer :-)
Apparently I messed up in submitting it.

I have 234 HOMers in my lahman database. We should be in phase for a while this time.
   1360. Howie Menckel Posted: December 22, 2007 at 02:47 AM (#2652004)
Shock,
I think the HOM and the site will progress a lot in 2008.

There are odds and ends in January, but after that I think we'll be looking to establish some "roots." I know I have a lot of lists like "HOMer percentage of games played by position" and "HOMers by league, by year" and "HOM teammates" and such to memorialize beyond the current "mostly accurate, but.." form, for instance.

We'll be interested in hearing your suggestions. Glad you've enjoyed the banter/rants/insights/diatribes/analysis - not necessarily in that order, lol.
   1361. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 25, 2007 at 05:13 PM (#2653366)
I should have mentioned you on the 2008 election results thread. You have been most helpful and I thank you.

You're most welcome.
   1362. Bleed the Freak Posted: July 08, 2008 at 12:25 AM (#2847854)
Dick Allen is listed primarily as a 1B on his plaque and on the cover page of 234 HOM electees. The electorate decided that he accrued more value at 3B, so I thought I might remind those in charge to edit his profile.

Keep up the great work.
   1363. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 13, 2008 at 07:03 PM (#2854922)
Thanks, Bleed. I'll edit Allen's plaque sometime today.
   1364. Bleed the Freak Posted: January 08, 2009 at 10:26 PM (#3046926)
According to Dan Rosenheck's WARP Salary system (Unadjusted totals from the spreadsheet posted to the Yahoo! Group), the following five players have caps different than those on there current plaques at the Hall of Merit:

The first three are large discrepancies, and should make the electorate take pause to decide which team they feel these players should represent:

57,039,151 - Bro NL - Jimmy Sheckard
38,858,419 - Chi NL - Jimmy Sheckard

51,462,502 - Atl NL - Darrell Evans
38,700,673 - Sfg NL - Darrell Evans

136,066,512 - Phi AL - Eddie Collins
128,517,155 - Chi AL - Eddie Collins

The next two are close calls, and would seem open to interpretation:

68,267,534 - Bal AL - Bobby Grich
66,834,021 - Cal AL - Bobby Grich

38,473,800 - Lad NL - Reggie Smith
38,182,991 - Bos AL - Reggie Smith

And the real shocker to me, a player I think should be elected in 2010:

30,418,532 - Cle AL - Roberto Alomar
29,619,652 - Tor AL - Roberto Alomar

Any thoughts by the electorate to change players hats?
   1365. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: January 09, 2009 at 05:35 AM (#3047250)
Well, first thing, have we decided on Reggie Smith yet?
   1366. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: January 09, 2009 at 05:54 AM (#3047257)
As for the other ones, it's not just value, longevity also plays a role. Collins played significantly longer with the White Sox, and I think if you use more career-focused measures, he also comes out ahead there on value.

Evans is a tricky one. Again, he spent the most time with San Fran, although that's closer. As for his value, we've argued about this in the past, but in Atlanta he gets a big boost for his fielding. Some people think this is valid, others think he got an unusually high number of ground balls hit to him, possibly because of Phil Niekro. It is clear that he was not considered to be a good third baseman and was moved off of the position before he was traded.

Sheckard...yeah, I don't get that one. He's better known as a Cub, because of the championships, but I would guess he had more value with Brooklyn. He did play more games with the Cubs, by a fairly wide amount. (Although you could argue that when he got sent to Baltimore in 1899, he was with the same franchise, which narrows the gap.) Then again, he's got one of the odder careers out there.
   1367. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 09, 2009 at 02:17 PM (#3047330)
Well, first thing, have we decided on Reggie Smith yet?


He has a Boston cap (BTW, all of the plaques have been completed, but my editor Ryan Wagman is making them more spiffy).

As for the other ones, it's not just value, longevity also plays a role. Collins played significantly longer with the White Sox, and I think if you use more career-focused measures, he also comes out ahead there on value.


Actually, I base the caps on value, Devin. Of course, one man's value will be different than another's, of course.

As for the caps mentioned above, they were all debated years ago. I don't see any reason to change them now.
   1368. HGM Posted: January 11, 2009 at 08:59 AM (#3048768)
Lurker here, just wondering, when do this years inductees get plaques?
   1369. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R) Posted: January 11, 2009 at 04:40 PM (#3048830)
I would not call Collins a "large discrepancy"--it's less than 5%.
   1370. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 18, 2009 at 09:55 PM (#3054827)
New plaques are up!
   1371. Juan V Posted: January 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM (#3054841)
John, you put Rickey as a 3B/CF/DH in his plaque.
   1372. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 18, 2009 at 10:30 PM (#3054854)
John, you put Rickey as a 3B/CF/DH in his plaque.


Which is weird, since my Microsoft Word plaque still says LF.

No problem regardless. I'll fix it right away. Thanks, Juan!
   1373. DL from MN Posted: January 19, 2009 at 02:54 AM (#3054964)
The 2nd Henderson sentence is run-on.
   1374. rawagman Posted: January 19, 2009 at 03:27 AM (#3054977)
You're right. I'll get to work on that again
   1375. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R) Posted: January 19, 2009 at 03:54 AM (#3054981)
Where did Rickey get those extra four steals in 1982 from?
   1376. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 19, 2009 at 03:58 AM (#3054982)
Where did Rickey get those extra four steals in 1982 from?


Obviously, it's a typo.
   1377. Paul Wendt Posted: January 19, 2009 at 04:52 AM (#3054993)
#1351 DL
I was in college before I found out that "Tampa Bay" was not a city like Green Bay was.

stop.
Green Bay is a city?


#1350 Devin
NY papers don't give anywhere near the attention to the Nets and Devils that they do to the Knicks and Rangers. Granted, it's about as far from Manhattan as Darby is from Philadelphia, but it has a population of 280,000 as opposed to 10,000. Plus it's in a different state.

<i>would anyone playing in Newark say they play in New York? I don't think so. (Note: What they might say to impress someone they want to get into bed doesn't count.)


One mistake is to get an answer for this question by asking the players.

Another mistake is to think 2008 regarding 1938. There were proposals to host both the Yankees and Phillies in the state of New Jersey but what difference would it make today? Economically a big difference, who gets the sales taxes? (and some income taxes) But they would not become the New Jersey Yankees or Camden Phillies by locating ballparks over the river.

On the other hand I'm sure that Monte Irvin told people, and that includes women, that he played "in" or "for" Newark.
   1378. Paul Wendt Posted: January 19, 2009 at 04:57 AM (#3054997)
Oops, I messed up quotatoin #1350 and also messed up my D's: #1351 is DavidFoss of the TwinCities.

David Foss #1351
Los Angeles is the "City of Angels" and they only changed their name in the 60s-70s fashion of teams not wanting to claim a team unless it was with the city limits. That's why we still have crazy names like "New England Patriots" and "Golden State Warriors" ... I was in college before I found out that "Tampa Bay" was not a city like Green Bay was.

Whatever was merely fashionable in the 60s-70s, the 1990s gave us Colorado, Florida, Tampa Bay, and Arizona.

--
JTM,
In the "Cap Standings" Baltimore should have rank 17 and its former tiemates should have rank 18T.
   1379. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 19, 2009 at 12:58 PM (#3055069)
Got it, Paul. Thanks!
   1380. djrelays Posted: January 19, 2009 at 10:09 PM (#3055380)
1359. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 21, 2007 at 10:04 AM (#2651538)
Homestead was counted as part of Pittsburgh (but I could possibly be talked out of that).


It does have a separate ZIP code. However, the Grays played many of their games, even in the early years, in Pittsburgh (Cum Posey was based in the Hill District). I'd probably leave it as is.

-- MWE

Homestead is its own borough, and was never incorporated into the city of Pittsburgh. The two abut with the Monongahela River running between them. In the early 1940s, Homestead's population was around 20,000, but WWII needs for more steel plants increased the number of plants in the town and displaced a large number of the populace.

In terms of Pensnylvania high school athletics, Homestead schools always were part of the suburban Pittsburgh (District 7) set of schools, while Pittsburgh (Dist. 8) was in a separate district (12 districts in PA.)

The borough of Brooklyn is incorporated as part of New York City, but unless you want to call the old NL team the New York Dodgers (horrors!) I don't think you want to refer to the Grays as being from Pittsburgh.
   1381. Obama Bomaye Posted: January 19, 2009 at 10:39 PM (#3055409)
FWIW, Brooklyn was a separate city until 1898.
   1382. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: January 20, 2009 at 12:19 AM (#3055483)
2008 Cap Standings by City
1T. Chicago - 28 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams)
1T. New York - 28 (Berra, Bresnahan, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams)
3. Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton, Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank, Roberts, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell)
4T. Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, Sewell, Speaker, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young)
4T. St. Louis - 18 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Frisch, B. Gibson, Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells)
6. Boston - 16 (Barnes, Boggs, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, G. Wright, Yastrzemski)
7T. Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, Whitaker)
7T. Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner)
9T. Baltimore - 10 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, Murray, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson)
9T. Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
11. Cincinnati - 9 (Bench, Groh, Jones, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, F. Robinson, Rose, Roush)
12T. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
12T. San Francisco - 6 (Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry)
14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen)
14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire)
16T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
16T. Los Angeles - 3 (Drysdale, Koufax, D. Sutton)
16T. Montreal - 3 (Carter, Dawson, Raines)
16T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
16T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson)
21T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan)
21T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
21T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
24T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
24T. Atlanta - 1 (Niekro)
24T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy)
24T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
24T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
24T. Houston - 1 (J. Wynn)
24T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
24T. Louisville – 1 (Browning)
24T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
24T. Toronto – 1 (Stieb)
N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms)
* Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.
Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital:
1. New York (41)
2. Pennsylvania (33)
3. Illinois (28)
4. Ohio (27)
5. Missouri (23)
6. California (18)
7. Massachusetts (16)
8. Michigan (13)
9. Maryland (10)
10. Wisconsin (6)
11. Minnesota, Quebec, District of Columbia (3)
12. Cuba, New Jersey, Rhode Island (2)
13. Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Ontario, Texas (1)

If you check post #1342, you'll see a detailed breakdown of all the cities where baseball has been played that do not have a cap represented here. For this year, I checked to see which of those have never had a HoMer play for a team in those cities. Using the categories listed above, they break down as follows:

Current franchises: Phoenix

Had MLB franchise at some point in the past: Columbus, Toledo, Rochester, Richmond, Altoona, Wilmington, St. Paul (although if you wish to count Minneapolis/St. Paul as covering it, then it would not count)

Had Negro League team in one of the major leagues: Jacksonville, Dayton, Nashville, New Orleans, Monroe (LA), Montgomery. (This covers only the periods the teams were playing in the major Negro Leagues, even if the team had a longer existence, and I didn't have rosters to check, so I could have missed someone.)

Had NA team: Elizabeth (NJ), Ft. Wayne, New Haven

For the next 2 categories, I counted the team listed as the home team on Retrosheet. Where I thought it might be an issue, I tried to check if a player was on a team at that point in the season, but I did not check boxscores to see if they actually played. (Rickey just covered Tokyo this year.)

Cities where major league teams have played games (post-1900): Orlando (Lake Buena Vista), San Juan. This would also cover Dayton, Columbus and Toledo.

Cities where major league teams have played games (pre-1900): Covington (KY)*, Dover (DE)*, Geauga Lake (OH), Irondequoit (NY), Ludlow (KY)*, Maspeth (NY), Wheeling**

*These are all listed as "Philadelphia" in 1875, but there were 3 Philadelphia franchises that season, only one of which had HoMers on its roster.

**This was the Pittsburgh NL team in 1890, played in September. Paul Hines was on the roster for part of the season, but also played for Boston. Pittsburgh is listed first at b-r, but I could not find any transaction information, so I cannot be certain he was not on the team at that point. He may have been sent to Boston and then back to Pittsburgh for all I know.

States/Territories that have never had a HoMer play for their team: Arizona, Louisiana, Virginia, Puerto Rico and possibly Delaware (see Dover above) and West Virginia (see Wheeling above)

States that have never hosted an MLB game or been home to a major Negro League team: Alaska, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas (assuming all KC games have been played in Missouri), Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, and Wyoming.

Provinces/Territories that have never hosted an MLB game: Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Northwest Territories, Nova Scotia, Nunavut, Prince Edward Island, Saskatchewan and Yukon.

WBC participants that have never hosted an MLB game and are not represented by a cap in the HOM: Australia, China, Chinese Taipei/Taiwan, Dominican Republic, Italy, Netherlands, Panama, South Africa, South Korea and Venezuela.

HOMers have played in leagues in the Dominican Republic and Venezuela. I am not aware of any having played in any of the other countries listed.
   1383. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 20, 2009 at 12:21 AM (#3055484)
Thanks, Devin!
   1384. Paul Wendt Posted: January 22, 2009 at 03:53 PM (#3057856)
*These are all listed as "Philadelphia" in 1875, but there were 3 Philadelphia franchises that season, only one of which had HoMers on its roster.

Devin
From the list of neutral and alternative sites you should visit the date pages at Retrosheet, perhaps via the park pages. Consider Ludlow KY, the site of only one game.

Ludlow KY
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/L/PK_LUD01.htm
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1875/PKL_LUD011875.htm

1875-09-22
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1875/09221875.htm

(The Covington KY game is on the 'PREV' date page.)

If you don't know the codes that represent the relevant teams in the line scores --{ATH, PHI, CEN} for Philadelphia 1875-- then visit the team page via the line score. (Or mouse-over the line score and the standings and compare the IDs incorporated in the team URLs {PH1, PH2, PH3}.

bold is the team in Ludlow KY.


**This was the Pittsburgh NL team in 1890, played in September. Paul Hines was on the roster for part of the season, but also played for Boston. Pittsburgh is listed first at b-r, but I could not find any transaction information, so I cannot be certain he was not on the team at that point. He may have been sent to Boston and then back to Pittsburgh for all I know.

Devin,
Player pages at baseball-reference and retrosheet list stints in chronological order. For a "return to team" within one season there are two lines for the team. See Charley ones 1877.

If you doubt the listed order, check a Pete Palmer encyclopedia (not too old) before seeking contemporary sources.
   1385. Paul Wendt Posted: January 22, 2009 at 04:10 PM (#3057871)
That is, for example of "return to team" in the player record
see Charley Jones 1877.

Charley Jones at retrosheet
Charley Jones at bb-ref

Paul Hines did not play for Pittsburgh NL (or PL) late in 1890. That is, if you find that he did, you have a Find.

--
back to the sites,
The retrosheet box scores project has released 1872 and 1874 so there should be boxscore pages for games played at extraordinary sites during those seasons. Here is the log for one slightly extraordinary site.
1872 Log for Hartford Trotting Park
   1386. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: January 23, 2009 at 11:37 PM (#3059389)
Thanks, Paul. As it turns out, they were 2 different Philadelphia teams. So Dover, DE comes off of the list, but Covington and Ludlow stay on.

And since I don't care enough to do research that doesn't invovle a mouse, I will assume that b-r is correct about Hines only having one stint. So Wheeling is also on the list, and West Virginia is on the state list, while Delaware is not.

Also, one item I overlooked in my notes from the first draft: Fort Wayne also had a HOMer on a home team in a post-1900 neutral site game. (Actually, it had one in a pre-1900 neutral site, too.)

I just looked at the places still on the list for post-1900 games to see when they'll move off. Phoenix should be gone in 2010 assuming Alomar gets elected. San Juan has to wait for either Carlos Delgado, Roy Halladay (Toronto played 1 game there in 2001) or Vlad Guerrero. Lake Buena Vista? I don't want to guess. Nobody from the Rays is making it for a long time, and at least for this year, they've stopped playing games there.

Finally, while I said I wasn't checking individual games, I couldn't resist it - Rickey DID play for the Mets in the one home game they had in Tokyo.
   1387. Paul Wendt Posted: January 26, 2009 at 09:47 PM (#3060792)
For Hall of Fame players and all members, I have posted similar data with more discussion at Roberto Alomar.

maximum tenure with one major league franchise, narrow definition (one club, city, league)
nSeasons, whole or part
0 : many, because this is limited to the major leagues from 1871
1 : Willard Brown, Quincey Trouppe
2 : Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike
3 : Satchel Paige
4 : Cal McVey, Bob Caruthers
5 : Ross Barnes, Al Spalding, George Wright; Dan Brouthers, Deacon White; Charley Radbourn; Charley Jones; John Clarkson
6 : Glasscock, Keefe, Hamilton, Waddell, Jackson, Mize, Wilhelm, Torre

The count here is any part of a season, maybe not consecutive, with one club, city, league. Cal McVey played no more than two consecutive seasons with one franchise --even broadly defined, even going back to his pro debut in 1869. On a broader definition of the franchise George Wright drops off the list at five, with 8 consecutive seasons and two cameo appearances. Bob Caruthers moves down from four to five seasons, with two clubs, including five consecutive with the Brooklyn Dodgers in two leagues.

The Hall of Fame players, on the other hand, have a 20th century player with only five seasons maximum tenure, Bruce Sutter with Roberto Alomar and Fred McGriff are in the foyer. (Read some more at Roberto Alomar.)
   1388. Paul Wendt Posted: January 26, 2009 at 09:52 PM (#3060797)
I have a technical definition of the Foyer. Alomar and McGriff aren't in the Foyer yet but they are "waiting in the wings" (one wing each?).
   1389. Al Peterson Posted: July 16, 2009 at 02:14 PM (#3255934)
Fixes to a couple of the 2009 inductee plaques, just for the sake of correctness. Rickey knows Rickey should have been an All-Star in 1989 but others didn't see it that way.

Rickey Henderson
10-time All-Star (1980, 1982-1988, 1990-1991)(not 11-time)

Reggie Smith
7-time All-Star (years are correct) (not 10-time)
NL Leader Sac. Flies (1978) (not 1977)
   1390. John Northey Posted: December 15, 2009 at 04:52 PM (#3413258)
Dave Stieb is listed with his no-hitter in 1980 rather than 1990 - who knew that would be the end of his greatness?
   1391. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 15, 2010 at 02:32 PM (#3690060)
The 2010 HoM plaques are now posted. Sorry for the delay, guys. I was always on top of things years ago, but these annual elections can make you lazy. :-)
   1392. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 15, 2010 at 03:14 PM (#3690070)
Paul W., if you could e-mail your own e-mail address, I would greatly appreciate it.
   1393. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: November 15, 2010 at 04:13 PM (#3690082)
Hey, where and / or when do we get to see some actual plaques? I'd like to see what the wording would be for them, and how they'd compare to their HoF counterparts.
   1394. Alex King Posted: June 17, 2011 at 06:35 AM (#3855590)
While we're on the topic of plaques...the 2011 plaques haven't yet been posted, and the 2010 plaques haven't been transferred into the main alpha-sorted "plaque room."
   1395. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 29, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4092515)
2012 Cap Standings by City

28T. Seattle – 1 (Martinez)


2012 Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no
knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital:

22T. Oregon (1)


Seattle is in Washington state, not Oregon.
   1396. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: January 04, 2013 at 12:20 AM (#4338621)
Everything is up to date, or at least I think it is. Please let me know if anything is missing or if you see any mistakes or broken links. Thanks!
   1397. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: January 04, 2013 at 12:22 AM (#4338624)
Updated a few of the totals. I think we are in good shape now.
   1398. theorioleway Posted: January 04, 2013 at 12:38 AM (#4338638)
Partially copying from 2013 link: Hey Joe, thanks for doing this. One thing of note is that in the plaque room, numbers of inductees total and at position did not change. Not sure if that is supposed to be an automated script that failed or if it is something that has to be done manually. Also, should the cap/city/state standings say 2012 or 2013?
   1399. Rob_Wood Posted: January 04, 2013 at 02:57 AM (#4338705)
Wow, the plaques look great. Great work everybody. I will point out some suggested edits I see and I hope nobody takes offense to my suggestions :)

Willie Mays: He had 9 seasons of 100 runs and 100 RBIs each (not 8). Giants were division champs in 1971 (not 1972). Mays was the All-Star game MVP in 1963, 1968 (not 1963-68).
Also, I would mention that he missed virtually all of 1952-53 seasons in military service during the Korean War. In my opinion, this is an important aspect of his profile since
many believe he would have reached 714 HR before Aaron had he played in 1952-53.
   1400. Rob_Wood Posted: January 04, 2013 at 03:09 AM (#4338712)
Hank Aaron: Do we need to add "Retired as ..." in the first line since Barry Bonds has eclipsed Aaron's career HR record. End of 1st line I would add "HR" in the parenthetical to make it "40 HR". Also, he was a 21-time All-Star (not 20). By the way I guess we are tallying seasons in which players were All Stars, right, since a few years there were two game to bolster the pension plan.
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