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Monday, August 02, 2004

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The current roster (246 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position):

Pitchers (66): Pete Alexander+, Kevin Brown+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Roger Clemens+**, Stan Coveleski, David Cone, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Rick Reuschel, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Tom Seaver+**, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*.

Catchers (20): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Mike Piazza+, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe TorreQuincy Trouppe and Deacon White+.

First Basemen (21): Cap Anson+, Jeff Bagwell+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, Rafael Palmeiro, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, and Bill Terry+.

Second Basemen (22): Roberto Alomar+, Ross Barnes+, Craig Biggio+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+.

Third Basemen (19): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken BoyerJimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Eddie Mathews+, John McGraw, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson.

Shortstops (26): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, Barry Larkin+, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+.

Left Fielders (23): Jesse Burkett, Barry Bonds+*, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Rickey Henderson+*, Monte Irvin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+.

Center Fielders (26): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard BrownPete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, George Gore+, Billy Hamilton+Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn.

Right Fielders (22): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Enos Slaughter+, Reggie Smith, Sam Thompson, Larry Walker+, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+.

Designated Hitters (1): Edgar Martinez+

+ first-year candidate honorees (140)

* unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (16)

** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (9)

2012 Franchise Cap Standings
1.   Giants - 19 (Bonds, Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe,
     Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2.   Cubs - 17 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett,
     BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T.  Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn,
     Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T.  Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson,
     Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T.  Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller,
     Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T.  Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick,
     Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
6T.  Athletics - 12 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Henderson, McGwire, Plank,
     ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8.   Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline,
     Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
9T.  Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts,
     Schmidt, Thompson)
9T.  Reds - 10 (Bench, CJones, Groh, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
9T. Dodgers - 10 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, 
     Vance, Wheat)
12T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
12T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
12T.  Red Sox - 9 (Boggs, Clemens, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, RSmith, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15T. Orioles - 6 (Murray, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
17.  Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 4 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw)
18T. Astros - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, JWynn)
18T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
18T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
18T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
18T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
18T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
18T. Montreal Expos - 3 (GCarter, Dawson, Raines)
18T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
26T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
26T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
26T. Blue Jays - 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
26T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
26T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
26T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
26T. Mets - 2 (Cone, Seaver)
26T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
26T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
26T  Rangers - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
26T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
26T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen)
38T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
38T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy)
38T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
38T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
38T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
38T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
38T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
38T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
38T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
38T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
38T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
38T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
38T. Mariners - 1 (Martinez)
38T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
38T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
38T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
38T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
38T  Rockies - 1 (Walker)
38T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
2012 Cap Standings by City
1T.  Chicago - 29 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, 
E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, 
Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, 
Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams)
1T.  New York - 29 (Berra, Bresnahan, Cone, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, 
DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, 
Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, 
Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams)
3.   Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton,
Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank,
Roberts, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell)
4T.  Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, 
Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, 
Sewell, Speaker, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young)
4T.  St. Louis - 18 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Frisch, B. Gibson, 
Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, 
Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells)
6.   Boston - 17 (Barnes, Boggs, Clemens, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, 
McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, 
G. Wright, Yastrzemski)
7T.  Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, 
Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, 
Whitaker)
7T.  Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, 
J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner)
9T.  Baltimore - 10 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, 
Murray, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson)
9T.  Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, 
J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
9T.  Cincinnati - 10 (Bench, Groh, Jones, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, 
F. Robinson, Rose, Roush)
12. San Francisco - 7 (Bonds, Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry)
13. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen)
14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire)
16. Los Angeles - 4 (Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, D. Sutton)
17T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T. Houston - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, J. Wynn)
17T. Montreal - 3 (Carter, Dawson, Raines)
17T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
17T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson)
22T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan)
22T. Arlington - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
221T. N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms)
22T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
22T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
22T. Toronto – 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
28T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
28T. Atlanta - 1 (Niekro)
28T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy)
28T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
28T. Denver - 1 (Walker)
28T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
28T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
28T. Louisville – 1 (Browning)
28T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
28T. Seattle – 1 (Martinez)

* Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.

2012 Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no 
knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital:
1.   New York (42)
2.   Pennsylvania (33)
3T.  Illinois (28)
3T.  Ohio (28)
5.   Missouri (23)
6.   California (20)
7.   Massachusetts (17)
8.   Michigan (13)
9.   Maryland (10)
10.  Wisconsin (6)
11.  Texas (5)
12T. Minnesota (3)
12T. Quebec (3)
12T. District of Columbia (3)
15T. Cuba (2)
15T. New Jersey (2)
15T. Rhode Island (2)
15T. Georgia (2)
15T. Indiana (2)
15T. Kentucky (2)
15T. Ontario (2)
22T. Colorado (1)
22T. Oregon (1)



Note all mentions of Win Shares on plaques are adjusted to 162 games.

All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP).

Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type.

Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque.

Here are the plaques of the most recent inductees:


Barry Bonds - 2013 - LF
18.8 seasons with Pittsburgh (NL) 1986-1992; San Francisco (NL) 1993-2007
Cap: San Francisco Giants (NL)
Like his godfather Willie Mays, Barry Bonds’ impact on baseball left many in awe. Widely considered as one of the best players of all-time, he was unanimously placed first on every Hall of Merit ballot in his first year of consideration. A great all-around player early in his career who evolved into the most intimidating hitter ever (he has each of the top three and six of the top ten seasons of accumulated intentional walks), Bonds’ name is everywhere in the record books. He led the league in Runs (1992), HR (1993 and 2001, when he established a new single-season record 73), RBI (1993) BB (1992, 1994-1997, 2000-2004, 2006-2007), IBB (1992-1998, 2002-2004, 2006-2007), TB (1993), BA (2002, 2004), OBP (1991-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, 2006-2007, with 2004’s .609 and 2002’s .582 being the top two seasonal OBPs in baseball history) SLG (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004, which includes the MLB record of .863, set in 2001), OPS (1990-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, including the top two marks in history in 2004’s 1.422 and 2002’s 1.381), and OPS+ (1990-1993, 2000-2004, including the top three marks in MLB history, in 2002’s 268, 2004’s 263, and 2001’s 259). His 2004 season was also noteworthy in that he became the first player to have a season with more times on base than at bats (376 vs. 373). Bonds’ individual season dominance added up, as at the time of his induction he ranked in the top ten all-time in PA (9th – 12,606), Runs (3rd – 2,207), TB (4th – 5,796), HR (1st – 762), RBI (4th – 1,996), BB (1st – 2,558), IBB (1st – 688), XBH (2nd – 1,440), AB/HR (3rd – 12.9), times on-base (2nd – 5,599), OBP (6th - .444), SLG (6th - .607), OPS (4th – 1.051), and OPS+ (3rd – 182). Bonds is also the only player in the history of the game to reach the 500 marks in both career HR and career SB. He played on six division winning teams (1990-1992 with Pittsburgh and 1997, 2000, 2003 with San Francisco) and with the wild-card winning Giants in 2002 submitted a World Series performance for the ages, hitting .471/.700/1.294 with 4 HR in a losing effort. He holds the all-time Giants records in BB (1,947), IBB (575) OBP (.447), SLG (.666), OPS (1.143), and OPS+ (199). Fourteen-time All-Star (1990, 1992-1998, 2000-2004, 2007) who won 12 Silver Slugger awards (1990-1994, 1996-1997, 2000-2004), eight Gold Gloves (1990-1994, 1996-1998), and a record seven MVP awards (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004).

Roger Clemens - 2013 - P
Boston (AL) 1984-1996; Toronto (AL) 1997-1998; New York (AL) 1999-2003, 2007; Houston (NL) 2004-2006
Cap: Boston Red Sox (AL)
Known as the Rocket for his fiery temperament and overpowering fastball, Roger Clemens is considered by many as the best post-WWII pitcher—if not the best in all of baseball history. A workhorse pitcher who twice struck out 20 batters in a game, Clemens dominated the pitching landscape during his career. He led the league in wins (1986-1987, 1997-1998), winning percentage (1986, 2001, 2004), CG (1987-1988, 1997), SHO (1987-1988, 1990-1992, 1997), IP (1991, 1997), SO (1988, 1991, 1996-1998), ERA (1986, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2005), WHIP (1986, 1992, 1997), ERA+ (1986, 1990-1992, 1994, 1997-1998, 2005), H/9 (1986, 1994, 1998, 2005), SO/9 (1988, 1996, 1998), and SO/BB (1987-1988, 1990, 1992). Clemens was on two World Series winning teams (1999 and 2000 with the Yankees) along with seven other division winners (1986, 1988, 1990, 1995 with Boston and 2001-2003 with New York) and three wild-card winners (2004-2005 with Houston and 2007 with New York). Clemens’ 199 postseason innings are the fourth most all-time and his 173 strikeouts rank third all-time at the time of his induction. In his eight World Series starts, he went 3-0 with a 2.37 ERA and 49 strikeouts. For his career, Clemens ended up with the 9th most wins (354), 16th most innings pitched (4,916.2), third in strikeouts (4,672), seventh in games started (707), and tenth in ERA+ (143). All-time Red Sox leader in wins (192), SO (2,590), and SHO (38). Eleven-time All-Star (1986, 1988, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2001, 2003-2005) who won seven Cy Young awards (1986-1987, 1991, 1997-1998, 2001, 2004) and an MVP award (1986).

Mike Piazza - 2013 - C
12.2 seasons with Los Angeles (NL) 1992-1998; Florida (NL) 1998; New York (NL) 1998-2005; San Diego (NL) 2006; Oakland (AL) 2007
Cap: Los Angeles Dodgers (NL)
Considered by many to be the best-hitting catcher in Major League history, Mike Piazza hit like a first baseman while playing the most demanding position on the field. A 62nd round draft pick in 1988, Piazza made all the other teams look like fools for not drafting him in 1993 as he won the Rookie of the Year award by hitting .318/.370/.561 (153 OPS+) with 35 HR and 112 RBI. That rookie season announced Piazza as a force to be reckoned with for a long time, as it was his first of ten seasons wherein he would put up an OPS+ of 135 or better, leading the league in both 1995 (172) and 1997 (185). By the time Piazza retired, he held the record for the most HR (427, 396 while playing catcher) and highest slugging percentage (.545) for a catcher. Piazza hit .412/.545/.941 in the NLCS against the St. Louis Cardinals to help the 2000 wild-card winner New York Mets reach the World Series, and was also on two division winners (1995 Dodgers and 2006 Padres) and two other wild-card winners (1996 Dodgers and 1999 Mets). Twelve-time All-Star (1993-2002, 2004-2005) who won ten consecutive Silver Slugger awards (1993-2002). Has the highest career OPS+ in Dodgers history (160) and highest career SLG in Mets history (.542).

Craig Biggio - 2013 - 2B/C/CF
18.0 seasons with Houston (NL) 1988-2007
Cap: Houston Astros (NL)
A gritty player known for doing whatever it took to help the team, from getting hit by pitches (he led the league five times and has the second-most all-time with 285) to changing positions (he moved from C to 2B to CF to LF back to 2B over his long career), Craig Biggio’s impact on the field was undeniable. In 1992 the Astros moved Biggio from C to 2B in an effort to maximize his odds of being able to play every day and the gamble worked out as he quickly became the best 2B in the National League, a position he would hold throughout the 1990s. A sparkplug at the top of the lineup (one of only eight players with both 3,000 hits and 400 stolen bases), Biggio led the league in games played three times (1992, 1996-1997), PA five times (1992, 1995, 1997-1999), Runs twice (1995, 1997), 2B three times (1994, 1998, 1999) and SB once (1994). An integral member of the “Killer Bs” along with long-time teammate Jeff Bagwell, Biggio spent his entire career with the Astros and was part of four division winners (1997-1999, 2001) and two wild-card winners (2004-2005) making the World Series in 2005 (the first Houston team to win a pennant). At his induction, Biggio ranked in the top 25 all-time in G (16th—2,850), PA (10th—12,504), R (15th—1,844), H (21st—3,060), 2B (5th—668) and times on base (18th—4,505). Seven-time All-Star (1991-1992, 1994-1998) who won five Silver Slugger awards (1989, 1994-1995, 1997-1998) and four Gold Gloves (1994-1997). He holds the franchise record for most G, PA, R, H, TB (4,711), 2B, XBH (1,014), HBP, and times on base.

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   201. DanG Posted: September 02, 2004 at 08:23 PM (#833635)
Sorry, the HoM now has 61 members.
   202. Chris Cobb Posted: September 02, 2004 at 08:41 PM (#833666)
That'd be a nice list for the VC to work from :-) . They'd have a lot of reading to do . . .

Looks like we'll be converging with the HoF over the next 10-15 years, though. Torriente and Groh seem like the only _likely_ non-HoF electees between now and 1944, though it's possible we'll put it one or two others in 1938-40 or 42.
   203. jimd Posted: September 02, 2004 at 11:11 PM (#833885)
Looks like we'll be converging with the HoF over the next 10-15 years,

Trying to find an overlooked MLB star from the 1920's/1930's?
Good luck. I bet we'll be ignoring more HOFers than we induct.
   204. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 03, 2004 at 08:31 PM (#835667)
Since it's a fait accompli within the next few weeks, I have, tentatively, Speaker and Collins with Indian and White Sox hats. I don't think a reasonable argument can be made for Speaker (though I have a feeling my friend karlmagnus might try :-) with a BoSox cap, but a case can be made for Collins because he had a greater peak with the A's.

Debate! :-)
   205. karlmagnus Posted: September 03, 2004 at 09:12 PM (#835709)
Ridiculous. I never heard of such a thing. You'll be telling me next you want to put Babe Ruth in as a Yankee! Seriously, his best year was with the Sox in 1912, and two of his three WS were with the Red Sox. We're not going to elect Hooper or Smokey Joe, and I think it would be a mistake not to have ONE repesentative of the 1912-18 Sox in the right cap.

If Cy's a Cleveland Spider, Tris is a Red Sox!
   206. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 03, 2004 at 09:29 PM (#835728)
Seriously, his best year was with the Sox in 1912,

His 1916 looks just as good, so it's a push.

and two of his three WS were with the Red Sox.

If it was close, then I would say give it to Boston because of the WS. But it's really not close.

We're not going to elect Hooper or Smokey Joe, and I think it would be a mistake not to have ONE repesentative of the 1912-18 Sox in the right cap.

I hear you, karlmagnus, but I have to be fair to both cities. Besides, don't forget about Carl Mays! Of course, maybe he get a Yank cap. :-)
   207. yest Posted: September 03, 2004 at 10:03 PM (#835773)
red sox, A's
I already lost the Young debate don't want to lose Speaker too
   208. karlmagnus Posted: September 03, 2004 at 10:51 PM (#835818)
I sort of accept it for Young, though in terms of career it's close. But if there's anything close to equality there must surely be a presumption in favor of the team that discovered him and brought him up through the minors and for which he achieved his first real glory. In the case of Ruth and Cicotte, yes, it's not lcose. In the case of Speaker, I think it is; it was Red Sox scouting and player development; celveland's contribution was only $55,000.

It works both ways; if Manny Ramirez (clearly a future HOMer) plays another 4 years in Boston and then say 5 more with other clubs, there would be a presumption in favor of Cleveland, even though he would have played more games with Boston.
   209. ronw Posted: September 03, 2004 at 11:03 PM (#835839)
Interesting tidbit I just noticed: Of the 16 active major league franchises, the Yankees are the only one with a HoMer.

Hall of Famer Happy Jack Chesbro says, "I would go in as a Highlander!"
   210. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 04, 2004 at 02:28 PM (#836823)
It works both ways; if Manny Ramirez (clearly a future HOMer) plays another 4 years in Boston and then say 5 more with other clubs, there would be a presumption in favor of Cleveland, even though he would have played more games with Boston.

Correct, but the key criteria should be value, not total games. After his stay in Boston, if he were to play more games with another team (but at a mediocre level), that wouldn't be enough to take away his Red Sox cap.

BTW, definites for the Red Sox are: Ted Williams (duh!), Roger Clemens, Carlton Fisk (close call for team cap, but I would give it to Pudge for WS competition as the tiebreaker), Pedro Martinez, Bobby Doerr, Wade Boggs and Yaz.

Borderline are: Carl Mays (hard to figure which cap though), Johnny Pesky, Reggie Smith, Dwight Evans, Luis Tiant, Jim Rice

For the Mets:

Definites: Tom Seaver, Mike Piazza (not at this point though for the Mets)

Borderline: Straw?, Doctor K?

God, they stink! :-(
   211. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 04, 2004 at 02:49 PM (#836836)
Hall of Famer Happy Jack Chesbro says, "I would go in as a Highlander!"

When they make a HoF for Immortals who cut off other Immortals' heads with their swords, then maybe I'll give him a vote for that one (if he qualifies). :-)
   212. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 04, 2004 at 05:51 PM (#837027)
karlmagnus, if Mays makes the HoM, he should go in with a Red Sox cap. It's pretty much tied between the Yanks and the BoSox, but I would give it to Boston because it was his first team and his teams won two World Series.

So that makes eight definites now for your home team, so stop your crying now. :-)
   213. karlmagnus Posted: September 04, 2004 at 09:14 PM (#837538)
I'm still annoyed about all those 1870s players who've been assigned to the Terminus Braves when they thought they were playing for the Boston Red Stockings. :-))
   214. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 04, 2004 at 09:53 PM (#837548)
I'm still annoyed about all those 1870s players who've been assigned to the Terminus Braves when they thought they were playing for the Boston Red Stockings. :-))

Yeah, but what does it say on their caps? :-)
   215. karlmagnus Posted: September 05, 2004 at 01:02 AM (#837681)
Quite right, it does, of course :-))
   216. yest Posted: September 05, 2004 at 02:37 AM (#837734)
John only the positonal ajustment were made
none of my comments have been changed or commented on by you
on Bid McPhee's plaque is says
he retired with many of the career records for second basemen (including the major league records for most putouts for a second baseman (529) in 1886 and the career record for fielding average (.978)).
maybe we should add most career assists (6905), career double plays (1186), and career putouts (6545) a record which he still holds.
by the way can you delete the extra parentheses

also maybe we should add to Al Spalding’s plaque that he had the most wins every year from 1871-1876

on Ezra Sutton’s plaque it says
“The greatest third baseman of the 19th Century. “
can you change that to
arguably the greatest third baseman of the 19th Century
some of us feel it was Williamson, or McGraw ext.

Since Joe has a problem with the word arguably maybe probably would work instead
   217. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 05, 2004 at 02:54 PM (#837854)
yest, sorry about Bid and Al. I'll correct them today.

As for Sutton, you can make an argument that Williamson or McGraw were better than Sutton peak-wise (but not by much). But the only way anyone can argue Sutton over those two career-wise is if you don't take into account the shorter season schedule and his NA play. Overall, Sutton is comfortably above those two. Besides, as Joe said, the electorate overwhelmingly agrees that he was the best.
   218. yest Posted: September 05, 2004 at 11:25 PM (#838410)
Thanks John for the additions
on Bid McPhee's plauque it says
in 1886 and the career record for fielding average (.978)).
can you delete the extra parentheses.

Besides, as Joe said, the electorate overwhelmingly agrees that he was the best.
the problem I have with saying that
is I don't like any absolute opinions
   219. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 05, 2004 at 11:38 PM (#838415)
can you delete the extra parentheses.

Yest, here is the whole part of the sentence in parentheses:

(including the major league records for most putouts for a second baseman (529) in 1886, career assists (6,905), career double plays (1,186), career putouts (6,545) and the career record for fielding average (.978))

I have it right. The second one after .978 closes the first one before including.

the problem I have with saying that
is I don't like any absolute opinions


The point is that it goes beyond opinion but into fact.

But if you can change Joe's mind about Sutton's plaque, more power to you. :-)
   220. DavidFoss Posted: September 15, 2004 at 08:57 AM (#856144)
Kudos to John for updating this page so fast each week.

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, Sutton, GWright)
2T. Cubs - 7 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly, Sheckard)
4T. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
4T. Indians - 4 (Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4T. Phillies - 4 (Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
7T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
7T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
7T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
7T. Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, Young)
7T. Pirates - 2 (Clarke, Wagner)
7T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
7T. Tigers - 2 (Cobb, Crawford)
15T.Cardinals - 1 (Caruthers)
15T.Chicago American Giants - 1 - (PHill)
15T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
15T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
15T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
15T.Dodgers - 1 (Wheat)
15T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
15T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
15T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
15T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
15T.Reds - 1 (McPhee)
15T.Twins - 1 (WJohnson)
15T.White Sox - 1 (Walsh)
28T.Yankees - 0
   221. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 15, 2004 at 01:46 PM (#856238)
Kudos to John for updating this page so fast each week.

Thank you, David! I actually start working on the plaques a couple of weeks in advance so that they are ready for viewing once the election results have been announced. For example, Eddie Collins' plaque is 90% completed, while Smokey Joe's and Pop's are 50% done...

... and thank you for the team cap results!
   222. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 16, 2004 at 05:25 AM (#858237)
I still find it hysterical that the Yankees have no inductees and every other franchise has one. See a team can blow chunks for 20 years and then dominate a century. How funny will it be if the Expos or Rangers or someone like that dominates the 21st Century :-)

I have to say, great job with keeping up with this room John.
   223. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 16, 2004 at 05:36 AM (#858247)
"Definites but might go to other teams: Reggie, Winfield

They should get an A's and Padres hat respectively, but I know Joe wants a Yank cap on Jackson (he's wrong, of course :-)."

I agree with Reggie as an A, but I think Winfield is clearly a Yankee. My first year as a fan was 1980 (my age 7 season), so I could have a definite perception bias there. But I think it's a close call, and his team success was with NY.

I hate to bring this up again, but . . . I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, don't like all the slashes. I think Honus should be a SS, etc.. I'd hate to see Cal Ripken, SS/3B, for example.

What's the overall senitment there? I say we keep it simple stupid w/regard to positions, the plaques (in my opinion) are a basic summary, not a comprehensive record. Is there overwhelming opinion to go the way we have been?
   224. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 16, 2004 at 05:40 AM (#858249)
I think generally a player should have to have at least 25/30% of his value (not time) at a position for it to be mentioned. If a player's value was at all OF positions (like Stovey) for at least 25/30%, he could be listed as "OF" too.

Just a thought.
   225. Chris Cobb Posted: September 16, 2004 at 12:53 PM (#858414)
Smokey Joe's and Pop's are 50% done..

What cap do you have in mind for Pop Lloyd?
   226. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 16, 2004 at 01:33 PM (#858445)
Joe:

To be honest, I'm not that crazy about the slashes after the primary positions anymore, too. For the Stoveys and O'Rourkes? That makes sense, but the rest I'm not so sure. But if the electorate decides otherwise, I'll leave it this way. I'm not that concerned about it either way.

Chris:

I'm looking at the New York Lincoln Giants for Lloyd, but that's not definite yet. What do you think, Chris?

I agree with Reggie as an A, but I think Winfield is clearly a Yankee. My first year as a fan was 1980 (my age 7 season), so I could have a definite perception bias there. But I think it's a close call, and his team success was with NY.

Winfield is a much different case than Reggie. I think it's close between the Padres and Yankees. That will be a tough call in a couple of years, IMO.
   227. karlmagnus Posted: September 16, 2004 at 03:26 PM (#858585)
If Winfield is a Padre, Speaker is a Red Sox -- the cases are quite closely equivalent, but IMO Winfield has a better case to be a Yankee than Speaker to be an Indian.
   228. DavidFoss Posted: September 16, 2004 at 03:43 PM (#858625)
Well, maybe jimd can also post his "fractional hats" standings at some point as a way of representing the teams that lost close cap-choices. It won't change what it says on the plaque, though.

As for the positions, the full positional breakdown could be listed down in the text of the plaque, or on some line at the bottom. We already have some sort of service-time calculation sneaking in. That way we'd keep all that information but would have a clean Cal Ripken - SS title to the plaque.
   229. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 16, 2004 at 04:16 PM (#858689)
If Winfield is a Padre, Speaker is a Red Sox -- the cases are quite closely equivalent, but IMO Winfield has a better case to be a Yankee than Speaker to be an Indian.

The difference between Speaker's top two teams in terms of value is much greater than Winfield's, karlmagnus, IMO. BTW, your bias is showing. :-D

With that said, I lean toward a Yankee cap for him at this point though.

As for the positions, the full positional breakdown could be listed down in the text of the plaque, or on some line at the bottom. We already have some sort of service-time calculation sneaking in. That way we'd keep all that information but would have a clean Cal Ripken - SS title to the plaque.

That works for me, David. The info gets out, but the plaques are now a might purtier. :-)
   230. Howie Menckel Posted: September 16, 2004 at 07:34 PM (#859029)
I usually figure it something like:
If a player has twice as many games at one position as any other, only list the main one, unless the secondary one (or the third one, too) is at least 500 G. But your mileage may vary, and that's not quite good enough to be an inflexible rule.
   231. Chris Cobb Posted: September 16, 2004 at 09:01 PM (#859149)
I'm looking at the New York Lincoln Giants for Lloyd, but that's not definite yet. What do you think, Chris?

I hadn't looked at Lloyd's teams when I asked the question, but now having taken a glance, I think you have it right with the New York Lincoln Giants. He played more seasons with them than with anyone else, about half of his peak seasons were with them.

I assume Joe Williams goes in as a Lincoln Giant?
   232. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 16, 2004 at 10:02 PM (#859256)
I assume Joe Williams goes in as a Lincoln Giant?

You assume correctly, Chris. :-)
   233. yest Posted: September 19, 2004 at 02:15 AM (#863306)
on Cobb's plaque it says
Retired with the ML career records for
BA (.366), hits (4,191)
shouldn't it be
BA (.366), hits (4,189)
or
BA (.367), hits (4,191)
you can't have it both ways
   234. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 19, 2004 at 04:16 AM (#863376)
Yup, that was a goof, yest. I'll go with (.366) and (4,189). Thanks!
   235. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 19, 2004 at 01:25 PM (#863443)
Is Winfield a definite HOM guy? Wow, the perspicacity of the 1934-35 voter is quite impressive.
   236. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 20, 2004 at 02:38 AM (#864247)
I have split the Plaque Room into two separate threads (A-M and N-Z). This will still be the main one and the only one that posts can be made.

Wow, the perspicacity of the 1934-35 voter is quite impressive.

You can tell if we're sweating on your computer?!? :-)
   237. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: September 20, 2004 at 05:59 AM (#864366)
I'm too lazy to look it up Ivan, and not afraid to admit my vocabulary isn't in the top 1% of people, so what the hell does perspicacity mean? :-)

I assume you were making a joke about us discussing a player that won't be born for another 16-17 years, but I'm not 100% sure. So from context my guess is that perspicacity = psychic ability.

If you were serious about Winfield being a HoMer, I think he'll be an easy electee, easily first ballot unless his competition is 1934ian . . .
   238. Ken Fischer Posted: September 20, 2004 at 01:00 PM (#864472)
FYI...Foster & Santop are not listed with the group at the top of the first plaque page.
   239. DavidFoss Posted: September 20, 2004 at 01:02 PM (#864474)
per·spi·ca·cious
of acute mental vision or discernment
per·spi·ca·cious·ly adverb
per·spi·ca·cious·ness noun
per·spi·cac·i·ty - noun

Synonym analysis as shrewd:

ASTUTE mean acute in perception and sound in judgment. SHREWD stresses practical, hardheaded cleverness and judgment <a >. SAGACIOUS suggests wisdom, penetration, and farsightedness <sagacious investors got in on the ground floor>. PERSPICACIOUS implies unusual power to see through and understand what is puzzling or hidden <a >. ASTUTE suggests shrewdness, perspicacity, and diplomatic skill <an astute player of party politics>.

----------------

This group has been half-decent at expanding my vocabulary. (The last word I had to look up was hoodwink)
   240. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 20, 2004 at 01:38 PM (#864488)
FYI...Foster & Santop are not listed with the group at the top of the first plaque page.

Now corrected, Ken. Thanks!
   241. DavidFoss Posted: September 29, 2004 at 01:42 AM (#883893)
1935 -- Close call on the Collins cap goes to the White Sox:

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
2T. Cubs - 7 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly, Sheckard)
4T. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
4T. Indians - 4 (Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4T. Phillies - 4 (Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
7T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
7T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
7T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
7T. Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, Young)
7T. Pirates - 2 (Clarke, Wagner)
7T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
7T. Tigers - 2 (Cobb, Crawford)
7T. White Sox - 2 (ECollins, Walsh)
16T.Cardinals - 1 (Caruthers)
16T.Chicago American Giants - 1 - (PHill)
16T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
16T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
16T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
16T.Dodgers - 1 (Wheat)
16T.New York Lincoln Giants - 1 (Lloyd)
16T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
16T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
16T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
16T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
16T.Reds - 1 (McPhee)
16T.Twins - 1 (WJohnson)
29T.Yankees - 0
   242. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 29, 2004 at 02:12 AM (#883983)
1935 -- Close call on the Collins cap goes to the White Sox:

It was a close one. BTW, any objections for a Phillies cap for "Alex the Great"? I think it's a fairly easy decision, but maybe somebody here objects.
   243. yest Posted: September 29, 2004 at 02:27 AM (#884059)
john can you add has the most career 2B assists 7630 to Eddie Collins plaque
   244. yest Posted: September 29, 2004 at 02:31 AM (#884082)
just wondering why did you pick Chicago over phili?
   245. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 29, 2004 at 02:50 AM (#884156)
john can you add has the most career 2B assists 7630 to Eddie Collins plaque

Done!

just wondering why did you pick Chicago over phili?

Much more value as a ChiSox than with the A's. Plus, he played many more games in Chicago.
   246. DavidFoss Posted: September 29, 2004 at 03:09 AM (#884201)
BTW, any objections for a Phillies cap for "Alex the Great"? I think it's a fairly easy decision, but maybe somebody here objects.

Not me... this isn't as close as Collins or Speaker in my opinion.

PHI - 190-91
CHI - 128-83
STL - 55-34

Plus his high K seasons and top two ERA+ are in Philly.
   247. favre Posted: September 29, 2004 at 10:32 PM (#886346)
David,

You have Caruthers listed as a Cardinal, but isn't he wearing a Browns cap in the plaque room?

Thanks for keeping the tally updated!
   248. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 29, 2004 at 10:47 PM (#886384)
You have Caruthers listed as a Cardinal, but isn't he wearing a Browns cap in the plaque room?

It's the same franchise, favre. The Browns moved to the NL after the AA broke up.
   249. DavidFoss Posted: September 29, 2004 at 10:51 PM (#886400)
David,

You have Caruthers listed as a Cardinal, but isn't he wearing a Browns cap in the plaque room?

Thanks for keeping the tally updated!


Its a franchise tally in keeping with the tradition that was started before I took over. Caruthers played for the franchise that became today's Cardinals. Wallace has a Brown's cap as well, but he's listed as "Oriole"... which also necessitates a separate entry for the old NL Orioles. There are several Boston Red Stockings in the HOM as well, but they get collected with the Beaneaters and the Braves.
   250. jimd Posted: September 30, 2004 at 01:03 AM (#886786)
Right. And Cap Anson was never a Cub, though he played many years for the franchise that later became the Cubs, being the White Stockings when he arrived, the Colts later in his career, and the Orphans when he retired.
   251. favre Posted: September 30, 2004 at 10:29 PM (#889880)
"You have Caruthers listed as a Cardinal, but isn't he wearing a Browns cap in the plaque room?

It's the same franchise, favre. The Browns moved to the NL after the AA broke up."


Ahhhhh...thanks for clearing that up.
   252. jimd Posted: September 30, 2004 at 11:11 PM (#889929)
The name change from Browns to Cardinals happened around the turn of the century with new ownership (same brothers that let the Cleveland Spiders die a humiliating death), I suppose to distance the team from the very bad Browns teams of the 1890s. IIRC, the new name had something to do with the new uniforms designed by the wife of one of the brothers.

The Browns nickname was picked up by the new AL team a year or two later. (A pattern in the new league, see White Sox, A's, Orioles, and Red Sox - instant tradition?)
   253. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 30, 2004 at 11:23 PM (#889961)
(A pattern in the new league, see White Sox, A's, Orioles, and Red Sox - instant tradition?)

I guess Cleveland said the heck with that. :-)
   254. jimd Posted: September 30, 2004 at 11:32 PM (#889981)
A very good marketing decision, don't you think?
   255. jimd Posted: September 30, 2004 at 11:42 PM (#889997)
The Browns moved to the NL after the AA broke up.

The AA lost the war with the NL. No question about it, last AA season was in 1891 and the NL is still playing now.

But... Of the 14 teams playing in 1882 (first year of the AA), 5 of the 6 AA teams were still around in 1892 while only 2 of the 8 NL teams were left (Boston and Chicago); the AA Philly A's were also still viable, but the NL Phillies wanted no competition after the merger. The 12 team NL consisted of 4 teams with NL roots and 8 teams with AA roots. Contraction in 1900 eliminated 4 of the former AA teams, but the AA lives on today in the Reds, Cardinals, Pirates, and Dodgers.
   256. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: October 01, 2004 at 01:18 PM (#891174)
"29T.Yankees - 0"

Damn, those Yankees just don't have any luck. I really hope something changes for that franchise....
   257. Rick A. Posted: October 01, 2004 at 01:55 PM (#891200)
Its a franchise tally in keeping with the tradition that was started before I took over. Caruthers played for the franchise that became today's Cardinals.

So, I guess Gary Carter would get a Washington hat then, right?
   258. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 01, 2004 at 01:57 PM (#891202)
So, I guess Gary Carter would get a Washington hat then, right?

Montreal cap for his plaque, but he'll be included on the Washington franchise list.
   259. DavidFoss Posted: October 01, 2004 at 03:26 PM (#891353)
Damn, those Yankees just don't have any luck. I really hope something changes for that franchise....

Post 1935 seems like a good time to bring this up.

There is an interesting section in the preface of Tofel's book on the 1939 Yankees "Legend in the Making". On opening day 1936, the Yankees were a solid franchise with 4 WS titles in the previous 13 seasons, but that level of dominance was not truly historic. The Red Sox had won four in the 10s. The A's had one three in the 10s and two in the 29-30. Even the Cardinals had won three pennants in the last 10 years. The Yankees under Ruth were good, but they were not yet the *Yankees*.

Anyhow, if this young kid from from the Bay Area pans out and any injuries hit the two-time pennant winning Tigers, the Yankees might really start a run here. :-)
   260. karlmagnus Posted: October 01, 2004 at 05:33 PM (#891536)
Nah, they haven't got the pitching. With Grove, Ferrell, Cronin and now Jimmie Foxx the Red Sox will be unstoppable in '36. We'll be yelling "1918" at Yankee games to remind them we've won the World Series more times than they have :-))
   261. jimd Posted: October 01, 2004 at 06:43 PM (#891648)
the Yankees were a solid franchise with 4 WS titles

I think this understates the Yankee accomplishment in the 1920's and the regard in which the franchise was held at the time. Back then, pennants were the metric, not "Championships", which has replaced it now that noone is certain about what a "pennant" is. And Ruth's Yankees won 6 pennants in 8 years (though only 3 championships), which was unprecedented (unless one counted the NA and Wright's Red Stockings winning 6 in 7). Previous great teams had done clusters of 4 or 5 (Anson's White Stockings, Comiskey's Browns, Selee's Beaneaters, Hanlon's Orioles/Superbas, Chance's Cubs, Mack's A's, McGraw's Giants), but none had won 6 in that short a time.
   262. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: October 02, 2004 at 09:23 PM (#893894)
So what you guys are telling me is that things do work out for that woe begotten franchise! Good, because I think MLB could really use another good team in the country's biggest city.
   263. DavidFoss Posted: October 12, 2004 at 02:36 AM (#911136)
Phillies move to all alone in 4th place. "Giants" have a monopoly on Negro League caps:

1936 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
2T. Cubs - 7 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly, Sheckard)
4. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
5T. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
5T. Indians - 4 (Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
7T. Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
7T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
7T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
7T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
7T. Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
7T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
7T. Pirates - 2 (Clarke, Wagner)
7T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
7T. Tigers - 2 (Cobb, Crawford)
7T. White Sox - 2 (ECollins, Walsh)
17T.Cardinals - 1 (Caruthers)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 1 - (PHill)
17T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
17T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
17T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
17T.Dodgers - 1 (Wheat)
17T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
17T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
17T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
17T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
17T.Reds - 1 (McPhee)
17T.Twins - 1 (WJohnson)
29T.Yankees - 0
   264. Rick A. Posted: October 26, 2004 at 04:03 PM (#937674)
hot topics
   265. DavidFoss Posted: October 27, 2004 at 01:19 AM (#938657)
1937 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
2T. Cubs - 7 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly, Sheckard)
4. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
5T. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
5T. Indians - 4 (Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
7. Tigers - 3 (Cobb, Crawford, Heilmann)
8T. Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
8T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
8T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
8T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
8T.Chicago American Giants - 2 - (PHill, Torriente)
8T. Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
8T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
8T. Pirates - 2 (Clarke, Wagner)
8T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
8T. White Sox - 2 (ECollins, Walsh)
18T.Cardinals - 1 (Caruthers)
18T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
18T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
18T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
18T.Dodgers - 1 (Wheat)
18T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
18T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
18T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
18T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
18T.Reds - 1 (McPhee)
18T.Twins - 1 (WJohnson)
29T.Yankees - 0
   266. DavidFoss Posted: November 09, 2004 at 04:03 AM (#958658)
1938 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
2T. Cubs - 7 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly, Sheckard)
4T. Indians - 5 (Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
7. Tigers - 3 (Cobb, Crawford, Heilmann)
8T. Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
8T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
8T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
8T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
8T. Chicago American Giants - 2 - (PHill, Torriente)
8T. Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
8T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
8T. Pirates - 2 (Clarke, Wagner)
8T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
8T. Reds - 1 (Groh, McPhee)
8T. White Sox - 2 (ECollins, Walsh)
19T.Cardinals - 1 (Caruthers)
19T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
19T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
19T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
19T.Dodgers - 1 (Wheat)
19T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
19T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
19T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
19T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
19T.Twins - 1 (WJohnson)
29T.Yankees - 0
   267. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 23, 2004 at 03:42 AM (#978485)
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   268. DavidFoss Posted: November 23, 2004 at 04:22 AM (#978531)
The Cap Standings seem to move on a geological time scale. Here's the latest inching of the ranks as the Sox and Bucs break away from the pelloton:

1939 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
2T. Cubs - 7 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly, Sheckard)
4T. Indians - 5 (Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
7T. Pirates - 3 (Carey, Clarke, Wagner)
7T. Tigers - 3 (Cobb, Crawford, Heilmann)
7T. White Sox - 3 (ECollins, Faber, Walsh)
10T.Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
10T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
10T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
10T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
10T.Chicago American Giants - 2 - (PHill, Torriente)
10T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
10T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
10T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
10T.Reds - 1 (Groh, McPhee)
19T.Cardinals - 1 (Caruthers)
19T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
19T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
19T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
19T.Dodgers - 1 (Wheat)
19T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
19T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
19T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
19T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
19T.Twins - 1 (WJohnson)
29T.Yankees - 0
   269. Michael Bass Posted: November 23, 2004 at 05:17 AM (#978564)
FYI, the Faber link leads to Carey's bbref web page.
   270. Sean Gilman Posted: November 23, 2004 at 06:18 AM (#978638)
Why are the Boston Red Stockings counted as the same franchise as the Boston Braves?

I'd think Barnes, McVey, Spalding, and Wright should be listed as Red Stockings. Of those guys, only Wright played for the 1876 Braves.

O'Rourke could be a Brave, a Giant, or a Red Stocking.
   271. DavidFoss Posted: November 23, 2004 at 07:23 AM (#978760)
Why are the Boston Red Stockings counted as the same franchise as the Boston Braves?

I'd think Barnes, McVey, Spalding, and Wright should be listed as Red Stockings. Of those guys, only Wright played for the 1876 Braves.


If you look at the individual plaques, Barnes, McVey, Spalding & GWright have Red Stockings (NA) caps while O'Rourke has a Red Caps (NL) cap.

The decision to maintain continuity for the Boston club between the NA & NL in the franchise standings was made before I took over.

Four big names did jump from Boston to Chicago when the NL started but the rest of the Boston team and its manager remained intact. Its a fair point, though.
   272. Sean Gilman Posted: November 23, 2004 at 08:00 AM (#978817)
Looks like Joe started it in the very first post:

Posted by JoeDimino  on  June 02, 2003 at 05:12 PM (#513790)
Team standings through 1901 (current teams if still active):

Braves 4 (White, Barnes, O'Rourke, Wright)
Cubs 3 (Gore, Kelly, Clarkson)
Giants 2 (Ward, Keefe)
Providence Grays 1 (Hines)

Amazing that 3 of the teams that survive to this day have 9 of the first 10 HoMers, and 7 primarily played for the only two teams that survived the first year of the NL. I consider the Boston NA team that turned into the Red Caps all a part of the modern Braves lineage.


But I don't know why. . .am I wrong in thinking there's no technical relation between the Red Caps/Braves of the NL and the Red Stockings?

There is some player overlap, of course:

Red Stockings 1875 and Red Caps 1876:
H. Wright (managed both teams)
G. Wright
J. O'Rourke
Andy Leonard
Jack Manning
Harry Schaffer

Red Stockings 1875 and White Stockings 1876:
R. Barnes
A. Spalding (managed White Stockings)
C. McVey
D. White
   273. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 23, 2004 at 06:02 PM (#979364)
Sean, the Red Stockings of the NA became the Red Caps/Braves of the NL. It's the same franchise (and is listed as such in BaseballReference.com).
   274. DavidFoss Posted: November 23, 2004 at 06:21 PM (#979407)
Ah... I had missed the "Also played as a National Association franchise" link. Thanks, John. Works for me. There are several other continuous links listed there including Hartford, Chicago, Saint Louis & Philly.

The "Cubs" and "Braves" were the only two to make it out of the 1870s, though.
   275. Sean Gilman Posted: November 24, 2004 at 11:38 AM (#980770)
aha!

Nevermind then. . .

Thanks John.
   276. jimd Posted: November 25, 2004 at 01:30 AM (#981569)
6 of the 8 franchises that founded the NL in 1876 played in the NA in 1875. The name change reflects the fact that it was under new management. The National Association of Professional Baseball Players was run by the players, with each club electing player representatives; the backers had no official standing. The National League of Professional Baseball Clubs was run by the money men; the players had no official standing. The players still had free agency (but not for long), so the coup was bloodless, though a few players abandoned the NL for the new International Association in 1877, which was run along NA lines.
   277. Cblau Posted: November 25, 2004 at 09:24 PM (#982470)
Is it worth noting on Faber's plaque that he threw a perfect game in 1910, in the III League?
   278. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 25, 2004 at 10:20 PM (#982489)
Is it worth noting on Faber's plaque that he threw a perfect game in 1910, in the III League?

We've been staying away from things like that since he was in the minor leagues at the time, Cblau. Interesting piece of trivia, nevertheless.
   279. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 07, 2004 at 03:05 AM (#1001916)
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   280. DavidFoss Posted: December 07, 2004 at 04:43 AM (#1002236)
A couple of new caps this year. Finally a non-Giant cap from the Negro Leagues. The Yankees own the goose egg for one last year.

1940 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
2T. Cubs - 7 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly, Sheckard)
4T. Indians - 5 (Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
7T. Pirates - 3 (Carey, Clarke, Wagner)
7T. Tigers - 3 (Cobb, Crawford, Heilmann)
7T. White Sox - 3 (ECollins, Faber, Walsh)
10T.Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
10T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
10T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
10T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
10T.Chicago American Giants - 2 - (PHill, Torriente)
10T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
10T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
10T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
10T.Reds - 1 (Groh, McPhee)
19T.Cardinals - 1 (Caruthers)
19T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
19T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
19T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
19T.Dodgers - 1 (Wheat)
19T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
19T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
19T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
19T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
19T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
19T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
19T.Twins - 1 (WJohnson)
29T.Yankees - 0
   281. yest Posted: December 07, 2004 at 05:27 AM (#1002416)
I thought Rogan led the NL in HRs in 1922
   282. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 07, 2004 at 05:47 AM (#1002467)
I thought Rogan led the NL in HRs in 1922

According to Holway, Charleston led the West, while Oms led the East.
   283. Brent Posted: December 07, 2004 at 06:41 AM (#1002614)
including in the infield as a leftfielder!

Did you mean as a left hander? Or was this some kind of unusual defensive strategy?
   284. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 21, 2004 at 03:22 AM (#1032642)
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   285. DavidFoss Posted: December 21, 2004 at 10:30 PM (#1034349)
A belated cap report this week. All 16 of the pre-expansion franchises now have a representative.

1941 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 8 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Ward)
2T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
2T. Cubs - 7 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly, Sheckard)
4T. Indians - 5 (Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
7T. Pirates - 3 (Carey, Clarke, Wagner)
7T. Tigers - 3 (Cobb, Crawford, Heilmann)
7T. White Sox - 3 (ECollins, Faber, Walsh)
10T.Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
10T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
10T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
10T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
10T.Cardinals - 2 (Caruthers, Hornsby)
10T.Chicago American Giants - 2 - (PHill, Torriente)
10T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
10T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
10T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
10T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
20T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
20T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
20T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
20T.Dodgers - 1 (Wheat)
20T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
20T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
20T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
20T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
20T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
20T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
20T.Twins - 1 (WJohnson)
20T.Yankees - 1 (Ruth)
   286. Paul Wendt Posted: January 04, 2005 at 02:44 AM (#1054669)
Is 1940 included on this page? (top, #61, #66)
Excuse me if I have overlooked the obvious.
   287. Paul Wendt Posted: January 04, 2005 at 02:57 AM (#1054702)
not entirely obvious.

David Foss includes 1940 (#61, #66).

I don't find a 1940 plaque for Pike or Rogan (top), although the exchange between yest and John Murphy seems to be about Rogan's plaque.

# Posted by yest on December 07, 2004 at 12:27 AM (#1002416)
I thought Rogan led the NL in HRs in 1922
# Posted by John (Don't Call Me Grandma) Murphy on December 07, 2004 at 12:47 AM (#1002467)
> I thought Rogan led the NL in HRs in 1922
According to Holway, Charleston led the West, while Oms led the East.


I think yest and John Murphy are talking about Rogan's plaque, but
   288. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 04, 2005 at 03:43 AM (#1054790)
I don't find a 1940 plaque for Pike or Rogan (top),

Paul, check underneath Cal McVey's plaque and the first post on this thread. :-D
   289. Brent Posted: January 04, 2005 at 03:55 AM (#1054815)
John:

I don't think I ever got an answer to my question (# 64) about Lip Pike's plaque, "Pike played almost every position (including in the infield as a leftfielder!)" Did you mean to say "left hander"?
   290. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 04, 2005 at 04:30 AM (#1054914)
I don't think I ever got an answer to my question (# 64) about Lip Pike's plaque, "Pike played almost every position (including in the infield as a leftfielder!)" Did you mean to say "left hander"?

Yup. I made a typo there. Sorry about not getting back to you, Brent. I must have missed it.
   291. Paul Wendt Posted: January 06, 2005 at 01:37 AM (#1059559)
Paul, check underneath Cal McVey's plaque and the first post on this thread. :-D

That explains no hit for a "1940" plaque.
So I must Scroll instead of Search.
blech

--
This is not for Sherry's plaque, but Marc needs to know and it may interest others.

New York Times, 1911 Jan 15, "Winter Baseball Gossip"
"Sherwood Magee has signed to play basketball with a Buffalo team." Phillie manager Dooin recently set a rule against playing basketball.
   292. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 06, 2005 at 01:45 AM (#1059574)
That explains no hit for a "1940" plaque.
So I must Scroll instead of Search.
blech


I had to split the Hall of Merit up because there is only so many characters that will fit on the heading part of a thread. I assume sometime in the future that I will have to create another section due to the same problem.
   293. Paul Wendt Posted: January 07, 2005 at 03:30 AM (#1062285)
Right. What can you do? Splitting the thread itself is actually a greater inconvenience.

The silver lining: My own complaint inspired me to learn that I can go to the bottom of the header or bottom of the page by search for 'factory'.

I suppose there is no way to visit the last page of a thread in one step rather than three (open the thread, go to one of the "pages" links, go to the last page). If I'm wrong, please tell me about it.
   294. Paul Wendt Posted: January 07, 2005 at 03:40 AM (#1062296)
How unusual was Sherry Magee (#72)?
or Red Dooin's rule against basketball?

Washington Post, 1907 Dec 23
Phil Lewis, Brooklyn SS, signed to play hockey with Pittsburgh. Manager Donovan ruled against hockey and will probably replace Lewis for his violation. [Rather, Lewis played his way out of the majors in 1908.] Worse for Lewis, he was not good enough to keep the hockey job.

I will be grateful for notification (private email is fine) if you know of other pre-WWI MLB players who signed to play another sport.
   295. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: January 08, 2005 at 10:16 PM (#1065900)
It would probably be easier to navigate if you put the link to "Page N-Z" near the top of the header, rather than in the middle of the page.
   296. Paul Wendt Posted: January 09, 2005 at 12:02 AM (#1066004)
While I'm at it:
(I promise no more than one per sport in this inappropriate venue)

Chicago Tribune, 1900 Jul 21
Ned Garvin hopes to box lightweight champion Terry McGovern professionally --at least, for paid admission. His baseball teammate "Clark Griffith, manager for Garvin" asked a venue manager to arrange the bout, offering $500 bond on Garvin's appearance plus a $500 wager that he would survive six rounds.
[One paragraph of the article reprints Griffith's letter. This and other articles on the episode probably reveal more about Griffith than Garvin.]
   297. Brent Posted: January 09, 2005 at 02:17 AM (#1066205)
Paul Wendt wrote:

I suppose there is no way to visit the last page of a thread in one step rather than three (open the thread, go to one of the "pages" links, go to the last page). If I'm wrong, please tell me about it.

From the Hot Topics list I look for the number of the latest entry (for example, 378), and holding the cursor over the link find the number for the thread (for example, 16758) and then go up to the browser's address line and edit the last few digits (for example, .../hom_discussion/16758/P300). It means typing a few keystrokes, but with a slow connection it's certainly faster than having to open the first page of the thread and then click on the link for the last one.
   298. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 11, 2005 at 02:29 AM (#1071093)
It would probably be easier to navigate if you put the link to "Page N-Z" near the top of the header, rather than in the middle of the page.

I decided to create another link right before the new plaques, so that should make it easier to spot.
   299. DavidFoss Posted: January 11, 2005 at 03:10 AM (#1071150)
Terry helps the Giants pad their cap lead. Vance helps assure Memphis Bill that Brooklyn is indeed still in the league.

1942 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 9 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
2T. Cubs - 7 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, KKelly, Sheckard)
4T. Indians - 5 (Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
7T. Pirates - 3 (Carey, Clarke, Wagner)
7T. Tigers - 3 (Cobb, Crawford, Heilmann)
7T. White Sox - 3 (ECollins, Faber, Walsh)
10T.Athletics - 2 (FBaker, Plank)
10T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
10T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
10T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
10T.Cardinals - 2 (Caruthers, Hornsby)
10T.Chicago American Giants - 2 - (PHill, Torriente)
10T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
10T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
10T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
10T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
10T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
21T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
21T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
21T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
21T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
21T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
21T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
21T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
21T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
21T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
21T.Twins - 1 (WJohnson)
21T.Yankees - 1 (Ruth)
   300. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 25, 2005 at 02:18 AM (#1100289)
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