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Monday, August 02, 2004

The Baseball Hall of Merit Plaque Room: Home Page

Enter here to see the players that have been immortalized in the Hall of Merit.

John Murphy was the curator of the Plaque Room and creator (with Ryan Wagman’s help) of the plaques. As of 2011 the creator of the plaques is theorioleway.

David Foss is in charge of the franchise cap standings.

Devin McCullen provides the city and state cap standings.

yest helps us out double-checking the plaques for accuracy.

The whole process is overseen by our commissioner and founder Joe Dimino.

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For Hall of Meriters S-Z, please click here.

The current roster (246 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position):

Pitchers (66): Pete Alexander+, Kevin Brown+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Roger Clemens+**, Stan Coveleski, David Cone, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Rick Reuschel, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Tom Seaver+**, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*.

Catchers (20): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Mike Piazza+, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe TorreQuincy Trouppe and Deacon White+.

First Basemen (21): Cap Anson+, Jeff Bagwell+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, Rafael Palmeiro, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, and Bill Terry+.

Second Basemen (22): Roberto Alomar+, Ross Barnes+, Craig Biggio+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+.

Third Basemen (19): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken BoyerJimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Eddie Mathews+, John McGraw, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson.

Shortstops (26): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, Barry Larkin+, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+.

Left Fielders (23): Jesse Burkett, Barry Bonds+*, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Rickey Henderson+*, Monte Irvin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+.

Center Fielders (26): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard BrownPete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, George Gore+, Billy Hamilton+Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn.

Right Fielders (22): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Enos Slaughter+, Reggie Smith, Sam Thompson, Larry Walker+, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+.

Designated Hitters (1): Edgar Martinez+

+ first-year candidate honorees (140)

* unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (16)

** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (9)

2012 Franchise Cap Standings
1.   Giants - 19 (Bonds, Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe,
     Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2.   Cubs - 17 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett,
     BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T.  Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn,
     Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T.  Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson,
     Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T.  Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller,
     Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T.  Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick,
     Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
6T.  Athletics - 12 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Henderson, McGwire, Plank,
     ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8.   Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline,
     Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
9T.  Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts,
     Schmidt, Thompson)
9T.  Reds - 10 (Bench, CJones, Groh, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
9T. Dodgers - 10 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, 
     Vance, Wheat)
12T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
12T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
12T.  Red Sox - 9 (Boggs, Clemens, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, RSmith, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15T. Orioles - 6 (Murray, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
17.  Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 4 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw)
18T. Astros - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, JWynn)
18T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
18T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
18T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
18T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
18T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
18T. Montreal Expos - 3 (GCarter, Dawson, Raines)
18T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
26T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
26T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
26T. Blue Jays - 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
26T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
26T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
26T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
26T. Mets - 2 (Cone, Seaver)
26T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
26T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
26T  Rangers - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
26T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
26T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen)
38T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
38T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy)
38T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
38T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
38T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
38T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
38T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
38T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
38T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
38T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
38T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
38T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
38T. Mariners - 1 (Martinez)
38T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
38T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
38T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
38T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
38T  Rockies - 1 (Walker)
38T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
2012 Cap Standings by City
1T.  Chicago - 29 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, 
E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, 
Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, 
Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams)
1T.  New York - 29 (Berra, Bresnahan, Cone, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, 
DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, 
Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, 
Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams)
3.   Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton,
Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank,
Roberts, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell)
4T.  Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, 
Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, 
Sewell, Speaker, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young)
4T.  St. Louis - 18 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Frisch, B. Gibson, 
Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, 
Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells)
6.   Boston - 17 (Barnes, Boggs, Clemens, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, 
McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, 
G. Wright, Yastrzemski)
7T.  Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, 
Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, 
Whitaker)
7T.  Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, 
J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner)
9T.  Baltimore - 10 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, 
Murray, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson)
9T.  Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, 
J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
9T.  Cincinnati - 10 (Bench, Groh, Jones, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, 
F. Robinson, Rose, Roush)
12. San Francisco - 7 (Bonds, Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry)
13. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen)
14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire)
16. Los Angeles - 4 (Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, D. Sutton)
17T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T. Houston - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, J. Wynn)
17T. Montreal - 3 (Carter, Dawson, Raines)
17T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
17T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson)
22T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan)
22T. Arlington - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
221T. N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms)
22T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
22T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
22T. Toronto – 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
28T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
28T. Atlanta - 1 (Niekro)
28T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy)
28T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
28T. Denver - 1 (Walker)
28T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
28T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
28T. Louisville – 1 (Browning)
28T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
28T. Seattle – 1 (Martinez)

* Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.

2012 Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no 
knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital:
1.   New York (42)
2.   Pennsylvania (33)
3T.  Illinois (28)
3T.  Ohio (28)
5.   Missouri (23)
6.   California (20)
7.   Massachusetts (17)
8.   Michigan (13)
9.   Maryland (10)
10.  Wisconsin (6)
11.  Texas (5)
12T. Minnesota (3)
12T. Quebec (3)
12T. District of Columbia (3)
15T. Cuba (2)
15T. New Jersey (2)
15T. Rhode Island (2)
15T. Georgia (2)
15T. Indiana (2)
15T. Kentucky (2)
15T. Ontario (2)
22T. Colorado (1)
22T. Oregon (1)



Note all mentions of Win Shares on plaques are adjusted to 162 games.

All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP).

Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type.

Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque.

Here are the plaques of the most recent inductees:


Barry Bonds - 2013 - LF
18.8 seasons with Pittsburgh (NL) 1986-1992; San Francisco (NL) 1993-2007
Cap: San Francisco Giants (NL)
Like his godfather Willie Mays, Barry Bonds’ impact on baseball left many in awe. Widely considered as one of the best players of all-time, he was unanimously placed first on every Hall of Merit ballot in his first year of consideration. A great all-around player early in his career who evolved into the most intimidating hitter ever (he has each of the top three and six of the top ten seasons of accumulated intentional walks), Bonds’ name is everywhere in the record books. He led the league in Runs (1992), HR (1993 and 2001, when he established a new single-season record 73), RBI (1993) BB (1992, 1994-1997, 2000-2004, 2006-2007), IBB (1992-1998, 2002-2004, 2006-2007), TB (1993), BA (2002, 2004), OBP (1991-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, 2006-2007, with 2004’s .609 and 2002’s .582 being the top two seasonal OBPs in baseball history) SLG (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004, which includes the MLB record of .863, set in 2001), OPS (1990-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, including the top two marks in history in 2004’s 1.422 and 2002’s 1.381), and OPS+ (1990-1993, 2000-2004, including the top three marks in MLB history, in 2002’s 268, 2004’s 263, and 2001’s 259). His 2004 season was also noteworthy in that he became the first player to have a season with more times on base than at bats (376 vs. 373). Bonds’ individual season dominance added up, as at the time of his induction he ranked in the top ten all-time in PA (9th – 12,606), Runs (3rd – 2,207), TB (4th – 5,796), HR (1st – 762), RBI (4th – 1,996), BB (1st – 2,558), IBB (1st – 688), XBH (2nd – 1,440), AB/HR (3rd – 12.9), times on-base (2nd – 5,599), OBP (6th - .444), SLG (6th - .607), OPS (4th – 1.051), and OPS+ (3rd – 182). Bonds is also the only player in the history of the game to reach the 500 marks in both career HR and career SB. He played on six division winning teams (1990-1992 with Pittsburgh and 1997, 2000, 2003 with San Francisco) and with the wild-card winning Giants in 2002 submitted a World Series performance for the ages, hitting .471/.700/1.294 with 4 HR in a losing effort. He holds the all-time Giants records in BB (1,947), IBB (575) OBP (.447), SLG (.666), OPS (1.143), and OPS+ (199). Fourteen-time All-Star (1990, 1992-1998, 2000-2004, 2007) who won 12 Silver Slugger awards (1990-1994, 1996-1997, 2000-2004), eight Gold Gloves (1990-1994, 1996-1998), and a record seven MVP awards (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004).

Roger Clemens - 2013 - P
Boston (AL) 1984-1996; Toronto (AL) 1997-1998; New York (AL) 1999-2003, 2007; Houston (NL) 2004-2006
Cap: Boston Red Sox (AL)
Known as the Rocket for his fiery temperament and overpowering fastball, Roger Clemens is considered by many as the best post-WWII pitcher—if not the best in all of baseball history. A workhorse pitcher who twice struck out 20 batters in a game, Clemens dominated the pitching landscape during his career. He led the league in wins (1986-1987, 1997-1998), winning percentage (1986, 2001, 2004), CG (1987-1988, 1997), SHO (1987-1988, 1990-1992, 1997), IP (1991, 1997), SO (1988, 1991, 1996-1998), ERA (1986, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2005), WHIP (1986, 1992, 1997), ERA+ (1986, 1990-1992, 1994, 1997-1998, 2005), H/9 (1986, 1994, 1998, 2005), SO/9 (1988, 1996, 1998), and SO/BB (1987-1988, 1990, 1992). Clemens was on two World Series winning teams (1999 and 2000 with the Yankees) along with seven other division winners (1986, 1988, 1990, 1995 with Boston and 2001-2003 with New York) and three wild-card winners (2004-2005 with Houston and 2007 with New York). Clemens’ 199 postseason innings are the fourth most all-time and his 173 strikeouts rank third all-time at the time of his induction. In his eight World Series starts, he went 3-0 with a 2.37 ERA and 49 strikeouts. For his career, Clemens ended up with the 9th most wins (354), 16th most innings pitched (4,916.2), third in strikeouts (4,672), seventh in games started (707), and tenth in ERA+ (143). All-time Red Sox leader in wins (192), SO (2,590), and SHO (38). Eleven-time All-Star (1986, 1988, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2001, 2003-2005) who won seven Cy Young awards (1986-1987, 1991, 1997-1998, 2001, 2004) and an MVP award (1986).

Mike Piazza - 2013 - C
12.2 seasons with Los Angeles (NL) 1992-1998; Florida (NL) 1998; New York (NL) 1998-2005; San Diego (NL) 2006; Oakland (AL) 2007
Cap: Los Angeles Dodgers (NL)
Considered by many to be the best-hitting catcher in Major League history, Mike Piazza hit like a first baseman while playing the most demanding position on the field. A 62nd round draft pick in 1988, Piazza made all the other teams look like fools for not drafting him in 1993 as he won the Rookie of the Year award by hitting .318/.370/.561 (153 OPS+) with 35 HR and 112 RBI. That rookie season announced Piazza as a force to be reckoned with for a long time, as it was his first of ten seasons wherein he would put up an OPS+ of 135 or better, leading the league in both 1995 (172) and 1997 (185). By the time Piazza retired, he held the record for the most HR (427, 396 while playing catcher) and highest slugging percentage (.545) for a catcher. Piazza hit .412/.545/.941 in the NLCS against the St. Louis Cardinals to help the 2000 wild-card winner New York Mets reach the World Series, and was also on two division winners (1995 Dodgers and 2006 Padres) and two other wild-card winners (1996 Dodgers and 1999 Mets). Twelve-time All-Star (1993-2002, 2004-2005) who won ten consecutive Silver Slugger awards (1993-2002). Has the highest career OPS+ in Dodgers history (160) and highest career SLG in Mets history (.542).

Craig Biggio - 2013 - 2B/C/CF
18.0 seasons with Houston (NL) 1988-2007
Cap: Houston Astros (NL)
A gritty player known for doing whatever it took to help the team, from getting hit by pitches (he led the league five times and has the second-most all-time with 285) to changing positions (he moved from C to 2B to CF to LF back to 2B over his long career), Craig Biggio’s impact on the field was undeniable. In 1992 the Astros moved Biggio from C to 2B in an effort to maximize his odds of being able to play every day and the gamble worked out as he quickly became the best 2B in the National League, a position he would hold throughout the 1990s. A sparkplug at the top of the lineup (one of only eight players with both 3,000 hits and 400 stolen bases), Biggio led the league in games played three times (1992, 1996-1997), PA five times (1992, 1995, 1997-1999), Runs twice (1995, 1997), 2B three times (1994, 1998, 1999) and SB once (1994). An integral member of the “Killer Bs” along with long-time teammate Jeff Bagwell, Biggio spent his entire career with the Astros and was part of four division winners (1997-1999, 2001) and two wild-card winners (2004-2005) making the World Series in 2005 (the first Houston team to win a pennant). At his induction, Biggio ranked in the top 25 all-time in G (16th—2,850), PA (10th—12,504), R (15th—1,844), H (21st—3,060), 2B (5th—668) and times on base (18th—4,505). Seven-time All-Star (1991-1992, 1994-1998) who won five Silver Slugger awards (1989, 1994-1995, 1997-1998) and four Gold Gloves (1994-1997). He holds the franchise record for most G, PA, R, H, TB (4,711), 2B, XBH (1,014), HBP, and times on base.

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   401. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: June 28, 2005 at 05:38 AM (#1436026)
Amazing that the Red Sox have only got one HoMer, despite being the 'Team of the 10s'. Carl Mays and Harry Hooper are the only other candidates even. Speaker and Ruth did more elsewhere, and their one HoMer is actually from the decade before.

Yet the team won 4 World Series in 7 years, with two second place finishes. Pretty wild.
   402. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 28, 2005 at 01:29 PM (#1436157)
Amazing that the Red Sox have only got one HoMer,

I think even karlmagnus would agree with me that the blame falls on the Red Sox ownership. Who in his right mind would want to give up a Ruth or Speaker in their prime?
   403. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 12, 2005 at 12:07 AM (#1464897)
New plaques have been posted.
   404. DavidFoss Posted: July 12, 2005 at 02:30 AM (#1465350)
For the second time in HOM history, one team has picked up multiple caps in one election. (1919/Keeler/Kelley/Baltimore-NL was the other).

With this feat the Homestead Grays jump all the way up into 11th place.

1955 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 8 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hartnett, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
4. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Indians - 5 (Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
5T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
5T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
5T. Tigers - 5 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann)
9T. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
9T. White Sox - 4 (ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
11T.Cardinals - 3 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby)
11T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
11T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
11T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
11T.Yankees - 3 (Dickey, Gehrig, Ruth)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
16T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
16T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
16T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
16T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
16T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
16T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 1 (JWilson)
24T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
24T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
24T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
24T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
24T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
24T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
24T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
24T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
24T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
24T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
24T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
24T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
24T.Saint Louis Stars - 1 (WWells)
   405. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 26, 2005 at 12:06 AM (#1497453)
New plaques are up!
   406. DavidFoss Posted: July 26, 2005 at 12:27 AM (#1497513)
White Sox jump up into 5th place and the Stars get a second cap.

1956 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 8 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hartnett, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
4. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Indians - 5 (Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
5T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
5T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
5T. Tigers - 5 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann)
5T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
11T.Cardinals - 3 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby)
11T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
11T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
11T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
11T.Yankees - 3 (Dickey, Gehrig, Ruth)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
16T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
16T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
16T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
16T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
16T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
16T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
25T.Baltimore Black Sox - 1 (JWilson)
25T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
25T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
25T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
25T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
25T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
25T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
25T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
25T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
25T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
25T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
25T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
25T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   407. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 09, 2005 at 04:09 AM (#1531590)
New plaques have been posted!
   408. DavidFoss Posted: August 09, 2005 at 04:47 AM (#1531636)
The Yankees have entered the top ten and the Baltimore Black Sox get a second cap.

1957 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe,
Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 8 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore,
Hartnett, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding,
ESutton, GWright)
4. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank,
Simmons)
5T. Indians - 5 (Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
5T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee,
Thompson)
5T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
5T. Tigers - 5 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg,
Heilmann)
5T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
12T.Cardinals - 3 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby)
12T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
12T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
12T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
16T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
16T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
16T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
16T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
16T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
16T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
16T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   409. Brent Posted: August 09, 2005 at 04:57 AM (#1531650)
John,

You'd better check the last sentence of DiMaggio's plaque. It looks like some the text from Appling's plaque got left behind.
   410. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 09, 2005 at 02:03 PM (#1532062)
Thanks, Brent. I'm glad that there is at least a few of you that proofread the plaques. :-)
   411. Gary A Posted: August 09, 2005 at 06:29 PM (#1532696)
John,

Nice work on Beckwith. One thing: I think, combining some of what I found with Gadfly's notes, his teams can be revised this way: just replace the first three (Chi Union Giants twice, and Havana Stars) with simply this: "Chicago Giants (1918-21, 1925)." Gadfly said that Beckwith's early career was mixed up with that of his brother Stanley, and, IIRC, that Beckwith didn't start playing professionally until 1918. Not sure about the Havana Stars--doesn't Riley say he was their captain--at age 17 (or 15, since Riley still uses the 1902 birthdate)?

Also, I'm pretty sure Beckwith only played with the American Giants in '22 and '23--not Joe Green's Chicago Giants. (He could have played some postseason games or something with Green's team--in '23, for example, he and Charleston played a couple games for the Detroit Stars against the St. Louis Browns.) When he returned to Chicago in late '25, he did hook up with for at least a while.
   412. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 09, 2005 at 10:08 PM (#1533408)
Thanks, Gary. I made the corrections that you suggested, though I kept the Havana Stars since Riley does say he was the captain. Do you agree?
   413. Gary A Posted: August 10, 2005 at 01:28 AM (#1534096)
I guess so. I don't really know anything about that team. Maybe Gadfly should weigh in here...?
   414. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 23, 2005 at 12:15 AM (#1564342)
New plaques are up!
   415. DavidFoss Posted: August 23, 2005 at 01:01 AM (#1564578)
Hack and Herman teamed up in the infield in three World Series together (and a 4th each apart) as they help the Cubs make a strong run at the cap-leading Giants. More movement in the top five as the Indians climb up into a fourth place tie thanks to their boy leader.

1958 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
4T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
4T. Indians - 6 (Boudreau, Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
6T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
6T. Tigers - 5 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann)
6T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
12T.Cardinals - 3 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby)
12T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
12T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
12T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
16T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
16T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
16T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
16T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
16T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
16T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
16T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   416. Brent Posted: August 23, 2005 at 02:42 AM (#1564963)
John,

Shouldn't it say: "The current roster (112 total)"?
   417. yest Posted: August 23, 2005 at 02:43 AM (#1564967)
this is on Billy Herman's plaque
A terrific fielder, he shared the NL second baseman record for most years leading the league in putouts (seven); he also led the NL at his position three times in fielding average and putouts.

shouldn't the last word be assists
   418. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 23, 2005 at 01:25 PM (#1565600)
shouldn't the last word be assists

Yes. Thanks, yest.

Shouldn't it say: "The current roster (112 total)"?

I've been adding the same amount for "decades" that I added just two because of the constant repetition over the many months. Thanks, Brent.

Always doublecheck me. As you can tell, I'm just merely human. :-)
   419. DavidFoss Posted: August 27, 2005 at 02:59 AM (#1576780)
The "G-L" link is currently broken. A stray "title=here" string needs to be removed to get it to work.
   420. DavidFoss Posted: August 27, 2005 at 03:00 AM (#1576788)
The "G-L" link is currently broken. A stray "title=here" string needs to be removed to get it to work.
   421. DavidFoss Posted: August 27, 2005 at 03:04 AM (#1576795)
On Lip Pike's plaque, it should say he played for Troy in 1871 and not 1870.
   422. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 28, 2005 at 07:19 PM (#1580092)
Thanks, David!
   423. Famous Original Joe C Posted: August 28, 2005 at 11:24 PM (#1580549)
Just thought I'd pop in here to offer you guys congratulations on all the great work you've been doing so far. Its a really great project, and a blast to go through and read.

Forgive me if I'm repeating someone, but do you have nay plans to move the HoM to another site or add pictures or whatever once the balloting is up to date?

Once again, fantastic work, keep it up!
   424. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 28, 2005 at 11:29 PM (#1580551)
Thanks for the kind words, Joe. We appreciate it.

Forgive me if I'm repeating someone, but do you have nay plans to move the HoM to another site or add pictures or whatever once the balloting is up to date?

We're staying at this site, Joe, but we do have plans for pictures and other things. When that will happen is a good question, though. :-)
   425. Rick A. Posted: August 29, 2005 at 12:07 AM (#1580593)
John (or anybody else who would know),

I have a few PHOM members who aren't in the HOM, but I'm not sure what cap they should wear. Could you please suggest which cap the following players should have?

Jose Mendez -
Dobie Moore -
Biz Mackey -

Thanks
   426. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 29, 2005 at 12:20 AM (#1580610)
Rick:

Moore would get a Kansas City cap, Mackey a Hilldale Daisies, and Mendez a Cuban Stars.
   427. yest Posted: August 29, 2005 at 04:01 AM (#1581073)
on Bill Terry's plaque it reads As for defense, he was the nonpareil player at his position during his era (leading all NL first basemen in total chances per game nine times, double plays three times, assist and putouts fives times, and fielding average twice)
I have Terry leading the NL in assists 6 times 1927-28, 1930-32 and 1936

also I never got a response to adding RF (170 games played)to Goose Goslin’s plaque

and how a bought adding CF (played 128 games in center)to Mel Ott's plaque
   428. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 29, 2005 at 02:33 PM (#1581733)
I have Terry leading the NL in assists 6 times 1927-28, 1930-32 and 1936

I got that info off of BaseballLibrary.com, so they probably made an error there. BTW, where are you getting your information, yest?

also I never got a response to adding RF (170 games played)to Goose Goslin’s plaque

Sorry about that, yest. I'll take care of it right now.

and how a bought adding CF (played 128 games in center)to Mel Ott's plaque

Sounds good. Thanks for your help, yest.
   429. yest Posted: August 29, 2005 at 10:18 PM (#1582579)
I got that info off of BaseballLibrary.com, so they probably made an error there. BTW, where are you getting your information, yest?

I got it from going year by year for leaders in fielding stats from mlb.com

also I made a typo he led the NL in 1935 not 1936
   430. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 29, 2005 at 10:27 PM (#1582603)
I got it from going year by year for leaders in fielding stats from mlb.com

Good to know, yest. Thanks!
   431. yest Posted: August 29, 2005 at 10:57 PM (#1582674)
John the G-L link is not working
   432. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 29, 2005 at 11:16 PM (#1582710)
John the G-L link is not working

I don't understand this. I fixed this yesterday.

Anyway, thanks again.
   433. yest Posted: August 31, 2005 at 03:59 PM (#1587439)
John Cy Young's leaders list isn't complete
   434. yest Posted: August 31, 2005 at 04:36 PM (#1587546)
From Cap Anson's plaque
At his induction holds numerous career records, including runs, RBI, total bases, hits, doubles and games played.

From Luke Appling's plaque
(retiring with the major league records for most games and double plays at his position, as well as the AL records for putouts and assists).

I think you should include the numbers for these stats here

also can you add to Luke Appling's plaque led the AL in putouts twice, assits 7 times, double plays 3 times, and range factor twice.

John I know I nitpick you the most with the plaques but I really do apreacheate the greatwork you do with them.
   435. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 31, 2005 at 05:26 PM (#1587666)
I think you should include the numbers for these stats here

Joe did Cap's plaque, so you can blame him for that. :-)

As for Appling, I didn't know those numbers at the time. Now that you pointed out mlb.com, I'll add them sometime today.

also can you add to Luke Appling's plaque led the AL in putouts twice, assits 7 times, double plays 3 times, and range factor twice.

No problem.

John I know I nitpick you the most with the plaques but I really do apreacheate the greatwork you do with them.

Believe me, yest, I don't mind the nitpicking. In fact, I encourage it. Besides not being perfect myself, sometimes the data or information that I'm accessing is wrong. It's good to have other eyes to verify what is being added for each plaque.
   436. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 31, 2005 at 05:29 PM (#1587675)
John Cy Young's leaders list isn't complete

I'll see what I have missed.

For a few plaques, though, because of the huge amounts of data (Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, etc.) already there, I don't add everything because the plaques would dwarf the others even more than they do now.
   437. Daryn Posted: August 31, 2005 at 05:52 PM (#1587738)
Ty Cobb's plaque currently suggests he amassed just fewer than 6 total bases in his career. That could be changed. :)

Same for Luke Appling, Bill Dahlen and Frisch (periods where commas should be).
   438. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 31, 2005 at 05:55 PM (#1587750)
Ty Cobb's plaque currently suggests he amassed just fewer than 6 total bases in his career. That could be changed. :)

Same for Luke Appling, Bill Dahlen and Frisch (periods where commas should be).


I must be going blind. How I missed that I'll never know.

Thanks, Daryn!
   439. yest Posted: August 31, 2005 at 06:45 PM (#1587914)
This Is on Ty Cobb's plaque

a record twelve batting titles
shouldn't that be 11
   440. DavidFoss Posted: August 31, 2005 at 07:03 PM (#1587954)
a record twelve batting titles

shouldn't that be 11


His HOF plaque also says 12. It has to do with the controversial 1910 race for the batting title. Lajoie made a final push for the title thanks to seven bunt-hits in a doubleheader on the final day (the Browns manager had actually ordered his third baseman to play deep to help Lajoie defeat Cobb). I believe the manager got fired due to this ploy.

Anyhow, Cobb sat out the final day to preserve his average and ended up winning .385-.384.

The plot thickened as many years later it was discovered that one of Cobb's games that year was double counted (was this why hist hit total of 4191 became 4189?) and Cobb really only had a .383 average and Lajoie's average was good for the title after all. But, in 1981, Bowie Kuhn ruled that Cobb would keep his 1910 batting title. Whether he didn't want to undo 71 years of history or if this was due to the Lajoie shenanigans I don't know.
   441. yest Posted: August 31, 2005 at 07:31 PM (#1588038)
I know that but on his plaque it was previosly desided to go with out the game being played

from Ty Cobb's plaque
BA (1907-09,1911-15, 1917-19).
Retired with the ML career records for BA (.366), hits (4,189)
   442. yest Posted: August 31, 2005 at 07:55 PM (#1588116)
A few more suggestions
how a bought adding this to Homerun Baker’s plaque
led the AL in Putout 7 times, assists twice, double plays 3 times fielding % twice

on Ross Barnes plaque
led the NA in putouts once, assists 4 times, and double plays 3 times
BTW my numbers pre 1900 are from baseballreference.com

Charlie Bennet’s plaque reads
He led the NL many times in putouts, double plays
you can make that putouts 3 times, double plays 3 times
   443. sunnyday2 Posted: September 01, 2005 at 09:09 AM (#1590472)
Are the number of seasons played (e.g. Bily Herman 12.5) = G/162 or what? Maybe I'm missing a "key" or "legend" somewhere? If not, it might help if it was defined somewhere, like right after the fact that WS are expressed in /162. Just a thot.
   444. sunnyday2 Posted: September 01, 2005 at 09:12 AM (#1590473)
I also noticed that Louis Santop's plaqye says he is credited with a .406 lifetime/career BA. The Holway data in his thread says.318.
   445. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 01, 2005 at 02:27 PM (#1590630)
Are the number of seasons played (e.g. Bily Herman 12.5) = G/162 or what? Maybe I'm missing a "key" or "legend" somewhere? If not, it might help if it was defined somewhere, like right after the fact that WS are expressed in /162. Just a thot.

A definition would make it easier, Marc. Good suggestion. BTW, it's based on the amount of games played compared to scheduled games. That way, the Nineteenth Century players wont be punished.

I also noticed that Louis Santop's plaqye says he is credited with a .406 lifetime/career BA. The Holway data in his thread says.318.

I got that from Riley, so that was my first mistake. Thanks for picking that up, Marc. BTW, the Negro League plaques need the most attention due to contradicting evidemce, as evidenced above.

yest:

I'll take care of all of the problems that you mentioned, except for Cobb's batting titles. David expressed my feelings on that subject succinctly.
   446. yest Posted: September 01, 2005 at 03:28 PM (#1590727)
my problem with Cobb having Cobb having 12 batting titlels on the plaque is that this inforformation is also on his plaque

and BA (1907-09,1911-15, 1917-19)
Retired with the ML career records for BA (.366)
hits (4,189), total bases (5,854), and times on bases (5,532)

it's the controdiction that bothers me not the batting titles though I have no problem with crediting both Cobb on his and Lajoie on his plaque with the batting title due to the contrivorsy a tie would make sense

on a differant note also on Cobb's plaque it says
runs (2.246)
can you make that a comma

in addition can you add to
3 finger Brown's plaque
holds the NL record for career era 2.06 (minnum of 1500 games) also he led the NL in ERA in 1906 which is not on his plaque


Dan Brouthers plaque
your missing in the leaders part slugging percentage (1881-86 and 91 in the AA) and at-bats per strike out (1888-89)

Pete Alexander
youre missing in the leader section ERA (1915-16
1919-20)

Jessie Burkett
his leaders section dosn't have games (1896 1901) at bats (1896 1901)
   447. yest Posted: September 01, 2005 at 03:44 PM (#1590758)
From Bill Dahlen's plaque
(2,132), putouts (4.850), assists (7,500),

a comma instead of a period
   448. yest Posted: September 01, 2005 at 03:51 PM (#1590780)
Thanks for the changes

On Ross Barnes new plaque
The hitting star of the National Association. A great defensive 2B
then a few sentences later you put
As for his fielding, Barnes led the NA in putouts once, assists 4 times, and double plays 3 times

wouldn't placing the putouts ext. info after a great defensive 2B be better.
   449. Rorschach Posted: September 01, 2005 at 04:47 PM (#1590888)
Not a voter, just a lurker but also on Barnes' plaque:

NL leader for BA, OBP, SLG, Runs, Hits, TB, 2B, 3B, BB, Singles, Adj. OPS+, XBH and Times on Base in 1976.

Should read "...in 1876"
   450. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 01, 2005 at 05:12 PM (#1590933)
NL leader for BA, OBP, SLG, Runs, Hits, TB, 2B, 3B, BB, Singles, Adj. OPS+, XBH and Times on Base in 1976.

Should read "...in 1876"


Uh,...yes, Rorschach. :-)

Another Joe Dimino mistake. Who does he think he is? Me? :-D
   451. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 01, 2005 at 05:15 PM (#1590937)
BTW, thanks Rorschach!
   452. yest Posted: September 02, 2005 at 02:50 AM (#1592439)
for Lou Boudrou's plaque led the Al putout 4 times assists twice and double plays 5 times

on Fred Clarke's ballot your completly missing the leaders chart

also I noticed you don't put un-ajusted ERA on leaders list I'm assuming it's because it's simaler to ERA+ but since ERA has historicly been the second most looked at stat after wins (I'm not saying that's the way it should be but what is) I think it should be placed on the plaques.

John I'm not sure whether you missed it or didn't have time but the second half of post 27 and post 28 have a few more change/additions.
   453. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 02, 2005 at 01:55 PM (#1593093)
for Lou Boudrou's plaque led the Al putout 4 times assists twice and double plays 5 times

Done.

on Fred Clarke's ballot your completly missing the leaders chart

Joe did that one, so there's my excuse. :-)

also I noticed you don't put un-ajusted ERA on leaders list I'm assuming it's because it's simaler to ERA+ but since ERA has historicly been the second most looked at stat after wins (I'm not saying that's the way it should be but what is) I think it should be placed on the plaques.

I place it on if there's a record involved, but I'm going to still keep it off the plaques. ERA+ tells a more accurate (though not perfect) story than conventional ERA, IMO. Besides, I do state non-park adjusted stats.

Tell you what. I'll think about it.

John I'm not sure whether you missed it or didn't have time but the second half of post 27 and post 28 have a few more change/additions.

Yup. Totally missed them. Thanks again!
   454. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 02, 2005 at 02:11 PM (#1593126)
in addition can you add to
3 finger Brown's plaque
holds the NL record for career era 2.06 (minnum of 1500 games) also he led the NL in ERA in 1906 which is not on his plaque


I'm assuming you meant 1,500 IP instead.
   455. yest Posted: September 02, 2005 at 03:45 PM (#1593257)
thanks you assumed right

a few more suggestions

Cap Anson
I’m not sure how to put this but he led the NL in 1B putouts 4 times, 1B assists 7 times, and 1B double plays 5 times 3B putouts once, 3B assists once, and 3B double plays twice and he led the NA in 1B assists once, 3B put outs once, and outfield double plays once.

Max Carey
when he retired he held the NL record for the most outfield putouts (6363) (since broken by Mays)

Bob Caruthers
retired with the post NA record for highest winning percentage ever minimum 150 wins

Eddie Collins
most putout 7 times, assists 4 times and double plays 5 times.
holds the AL record for putouts (6526) retired with the major league record for double plays (1215) (since broken numerous times)
after wonder on the basepaths can you put he had 744 steals
also somewhere on his plaque can you mention his 3315 hits

Jimmy Collins
Retired with the major league record for putouts (2372) (since broken by Brooks Robinson)
led the NL in 3B putouts 3 times, assists 3 times and double plays twice Led the AL in putouts twice assists once and double plays once

Roger Connor
led the NL in 1B putouts 3 times, assists 3 times and double plays 4 times and 3B double plays once

Stan Coveleski
was grandfathered in the no spitter rule

Joe Cronin
led in assists 3 times (1929-30 1932)

Bill Dahlen
led in assists 4 times double plays 3 times
Retired with the shortstop major league career records for games (2,132), putouts (4,850), assists (7,500), errors (975)
aren’t we putting only the good things abought a player on his plaque?

George Davis (BTW one day he still might make my PHOM)
he was a fine basestealer how a bought placing the number of steals here
led NL shortstops in putouts once, and double plays once
led AL shortstops in putouts once assists once and double plays 3 times
Led NL outfielders in assists once and NL third baseman in double plays once

Ed Delahanty
I’m not sure how to put this but at the time of his retirement retroactively had the highest batting average ever for a complete career
also if Cobb gets the 1910 batting title shouldn’t Delahanty get the 1902

Bill Dickey
led AL catchers in putouts 6 times assists 3 times and double plays once

Buck Ewing
Led NL catchers in putouts once assists 3 times and double plays twice
   456. yest Posted: September 02, 2005 at 06:59 PM (#1593576)
Retired with the major league career records for lowest career ERA (1.82) and hits allowed/9IP (7.12).

When Ed Walsh retired He didn't hold either record he regained them later (Walter Johnson had a lower era and hits allowed/9IP) Walsh did get both records at a later date though
   457. DavidFoss Posted: September 02, 2005 at 07:57 PM (#1593694)
Re: Delahanty
I’m not sure how to put this but at the time of his retirement retroactively had the highest batting average ever for a complete career

Re: Walsh
When Ed Walsh retired He didn't hold either record he regained them later

Going both ways on this point. Unless the plaque is exceeding short, I don't know whether we need to reach so far to get some of these accomplishments. The Walsh comment could be rephrased (he's *still* the ERA king after all), but Delahanty trailed Keeler by quite a bit at the time of his retirement. No need to reach that far for Ed, in my opinion.

Thanks to John for sifting through all of this stuff.
   458. yest Posted: September 04, 2005 at 05:59 PM (#1596906)
John I'm not sure wheather you missed it or not but I have some more sudgestions in posts 36 and 37

also I have changes on file for the rest of the plaques how would you prefer I give them to you
   459. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 04, 2005 at 11:56 PM (#1597373)
John I'm not sure wheather you missed it or not but I have some more sudgestions in posts 36 and 37

I didn't miss them, yest. I just didn't have the time then. I'll work on them tonight.

also I have changes on file for the rest of the plaques how would you prefer I give them to you

Do it the way that you have been so far. Thanks again!
   460. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:42 AM (#1597419)
Re: Delahanty
I’m not sure how to put this but at the time of his retirement retroactively had the highest batting average ever for a complete career

Re: Walsh
When Ed Walsh retired He didn't hold either record he regained them later


I agree with David here in regard to both men, except I'm going to leave the Walsh plaque as is. We can pretend that they knew about the correct record back then.
   461. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:46 AM (#1597427)
Thanks to John for sifting through all of this stuff.

No problem, David. I want to make the Plaque Room as accurate as possible.

Retired with the shortstop major league career records for games (2,132), putouts (4,850), assists (7,500), errors (975)
aren’t we putting only the good things abought a player on his plaque?


You're right, yest. That was one of my earliest plaques, so I was still figuring out what should go and shouldn't.
   462. yest Posted: September 05, 2005 at 05:33 AM (#1597911)
a few more suggestions

Cap Anson
one time holder of the highest batting avg, obp, and slugging% ever

Dan Brouthers
one time holder of the highest batting avg, obp, and slugging% ever

John Clarkson
record for the most wins in a 10 year period (319 1884-1893)

Ty Cobb
I know you decided to go with 12 batting titles (which personaly I don‘t have a problom with) but can you change the leaders list which currently says this and BA (1907-09,1911-15, 1917-19) to include 1910 which really was my complante the 2 not being consistant

Red Faber
the last legal AL spitter

Frankie Frisch
led in at bats/strikeout 4 times (1923, 1927, 1930, 1934)

Lou Gehrig
record for 100 rbis 13 years in a row

Charlie Gehringer
most double plays 4 times
2nd most 2B assits ever (7068)

Jack Glasscock
most putouts twice, assists 6 times, and double plays 4 times

Goose Goslin
most assists 3 times double plays twice

Heinie Groh
most putouts 3 times(1917-19) and double plays 7 times (1915-20 1922)
   463. yest Posted: September 05, 2005 at 06:08 AM (#1597936)
a few change to the changes

On Cap Anson‘s new plaque
A fine fielder, he led all first basemen in his league 5 times in putouts, 8 times in assists, and 6 times in double plays; he also led third basemen twice in double plays and both assists and putouts once
John that’s
A fine fielder, he led all first basemen in his league 4 times in putouts, 8 times in assists, and 5 times in double plays; he also led third basemen twice in both double plays and putouts and assists once in addition to that once in outfield doubleplays

On Bob Caruthers‘s new plaque
(he has the highest winning percentage of any non-NA pitcher with at least 150 wins (.688).
that’s he retired with the highest winning percentage of any non-NA pitcher with at least 150 wins (.688) (Ford‘s higher as are a few active pitchers)

On Eddie Collins‘s and Roger Connor‘s new plaque’s
double playes five times
and (he also led NL third basemen in double playes once
a typo on plays

On Jimmy Collins‘s new plaque
He also led third basemen in his league in putouts 5 times, assists 5 times, and double plays thrice
that’s He also led third basemen in his league in putouts 5 times, assists 4 times, and double plays thrice

On George Davis‘s new plaque
He led shortstops in his league in putouts twice, double plays five times, and assists once, while leading all outfielders in assists once and third basemen in double plays once.
that’s
He led shortstops in his league in putouts twice, double plays four times, and assists once, while leading all outfielders in assists once and third basemen in double plays once.
   464. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 02:12 PM (#1598076)
On Eddie Collins‘s and Roger Connor‘s new plaque’s
double playes five times
and (he also led NL third basemen in double playes once
a typo on plays


How the heck did I do that? I've never spelled it that way before.

Thanks again, yest. I'll work on the other corrections sometime this week.

BTW, for the future, just give me corrections for one plaque to work on. It's just too confusing with a whole laundry list of them. Not your fault, mind you, but I'm just getting overwhelmed.
   465. yest Posted: September 05, 2005 at 04:22 PM (#1598164)
John I have around fifty more additions/corrections

also I have to go away in a few days and I'm not going to have acsses to the internent for around a few weeks

would that make a differance in how to post the changes
   466. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 06, 2005 at 12:10 AM (#1599049)
New plaques are up!

would that make a differance in how to post the changes

When you come back, you can submit a new plaque that needs correcting per day. I'll work on the ones that you gave me today within the next couple of days.
   467. DavidFoss Posted: September 06, 2005 at 07:01 AM (#1599520)
Satchel Paige gives the Pittburgh Crawfords their first plaque and Johnny Mize's fine play vaunts the Cardinals into the top ten.

1959 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
4T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
4T. Indians - 6 (Boudreau, Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
6T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
6T. Tigers - 5 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann)
6T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
13T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
13T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
13T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
16T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
16T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
16T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
16T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
16T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
16T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
16T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   468. yest Posted: September 09, 2005 at 02:51 PM (#1607199)
John I'm not sure wheather you missed it or didn't have tiem yet but post 43 has additions I made before you told me to break them down plaque by plaque.
   469. yest Posted: September 11, 2005 at 03:30 AM (#1611623)
on Bill Terry's plaque it reads As for defense, he was the nonpareil player at his position during his era (leading all NL first basemen in total chances per game nine times, double plays three times, assist and putouts fives times, and fielding average twice)
I have Terry leading the NL in assists 6 times 1927-28, 1930-32 and 1936


after further research at retrosheet and Basball referance .com
I found that MLB.com dosn't show George Sisler at all in 1928 though he had 86 assists to Bill Terry's 76.
   470. DavidFoss Posted: September 11, 2005 at 03:45 AM (#1611642)
I found that MLB.com dosn't show George Sisler at all in 1928 though he had 86 assists to Bill Terry's 76.

This is true. Probably some confusion at mlb.com with Sisler switching leagues in mid-season. All 86 assists were indeed NL assists.
   471. yest Posted: September 11, 2005 at 05:07 PM (#1611984)
that's what I thought to
   472. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 12, 2005 at 01:48 PM (#1613323)
John I'm not sure wheather you missed it or didn't have tiem yet but post 43 has additions I made before you told me to break them down plaque by plaque.

I didn't miss them, yest. I just haven't had the time. I'm in the first steps of moving and I need to do some packing, so time is less abundant than normal.
   473. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 20, 2005 at 12:07 AM (#1628398)
New plaques are up!
   474. DavidFoss Posted: September 20, 2005 at 12:58 AM (#1628666)
Newhouser vaults the Tigers into the top five and Jennings adds another cap for the legendary Orioles.

1960 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
4T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
4T. Indians - 6 (Boudreau, Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
13T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
13T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
13T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
13T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
17T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
17T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
17T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
17T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
17T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
17T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
17T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   475. yest Posted: September 20, 2005 at 03:15 AM (#1629244)
on Jennings plaque
The captain of the famed Baltimore Orioles led his league three times in fielding average and putouts

I have four times for both those stats and twice for double plays (checked more then 1 place this time:?))
   476. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 20, 2005 at 02:44 PM (#1629911)
I have four times for both those stats and twice for double plays (checked more then 1 place this time:?))

I got that tidbit form BaseballLibrary.com, so it's probably wrong. I tried going to MLB.com to verify it, but I was having problems with it yesterday.

BTW, I'll start working on that and your other corrections sometime this week. I have a little more spare time for now.
   477. yest Posted: September 21, 2005 at 12:57 AM (#1631190)
I didn't get that from MLB.Com due to their not showing players form teams that don't exist anymore I got that from Baseball referance.com's year by years fielding page and compairing and from Retrosheet.org Hugh Jennings page (all the players pages show leaders for fielding stats though it dosn't help for the leaders for every year)
   478. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 04, 2005 at 12:08 AM (#1660568)
New plaque up!
   479. DavidFoss Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:22 AM (#1660753)
Averill leads the Indians into the top three -- catching up with the Braves and all of their 19th century stars.

1961 Franchise Cap Standings

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
3T. Indians - 7 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
13T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
13T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
13T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
13T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
17T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
17T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
17T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
17T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
17T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
17T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
17T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   480. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:42 AM (#1660784)
Averill leads the Indians into the top three -- catching up with the Braves and all of their 19th century stars.

They'll have #3 all to themselves after Feller is elected in '62.
   481. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:44 AM (#1660788)
One thing that is kinda interesting...

We just finished up the 1961 elections, meaning al players who were retired by 1955. By 1955 the Yankees were the unquestioned top franchise in baseball, the sport's jewel. Yet they still only have 4 HOMers. Ruffing looks to be #5 pretty soon, but doesn't that seem kinda low?

The Yankees success seems to have been built on guys who were just below this quality but still find players, the Combs, Hoyt, Gomez, Henrich, Gordon, Keller, Rizzuto type player.

Looking forward, I don't think they beat the Giants even though they have been unquestionably better, even with the Giants extra thirty years or so.
   482. Howie Menckel Posted: October 04, 2005 at 02:49 AM (#1660802)
Thanks to yest for the details.

I'll thrown in that we misspelled "Arky" in the election year list when he got in...
   483. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 04, 2005 at 06:48 PM (#1662084)
Yest, I think I have made all the corrections/additions that you suggested, except for:

Cap Anson
one time holder of the highest batting avg, obp, and slugging% ever

Dan Brouthers
one time holder of the highest batting avg, obp, and slugging% ever


I didn't include this since they didn't retire with those records, except for Brouthers with the career SLG record.

Charlie Gehringer
most double plays 4 times
2nd most 2B assits ever (7068)


I included the first part, but not the second. Did Gehringer retire with that record?

You can add more corrections now, but please don't overwhelm me. :-) Thanks for your help.

I'll thrown in that we misspelled "Arky" in the election year list when he got in...

Which thread are you referring to, Howie?
   484. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 04, 2005 at 07:22 PM (#1662199)
Another thing, I have broken up the inductees at the top of this thread into their primary positions so that it's more readable.
   485. DavidFoss Posted: October 04, 2005 at 07:49 PM (#1662250)
Another thing, I have broken up the inductees at the top of this thread into their primary positions so that it's more readable.

I saw that. Looks pretty slick!
   486. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 05, 2005 at 12:00 AM (#1663071)
Thanks, David. I'm trying to think of other things that can spruce the place up.
   487. yest Posted: October 06, 2005 at 01:40 AM (#1665841)
a few more suggestions
I know I already got the response to these suggestions but these should oviod the origanal problems

Ed Dehalany
can you still put on his 346 career batting avg seeing how it was retroactively had the highest batting average ever for a complete career
I never got a response to the 1902 batting title

Ed Walsh
I agree with David here in regard to both men, except I'm going to leave the Walsh plaque as is. We can pretend that they knew about the correct record back then.
I agree you should mention the records but instead of Retired with the major league career records for lowest career ERA (1.82) and hits allowed/9IP (7.12).
you could say
holds the major league career records for lowest career ERA (1.82) and held the record for the lowest hits allowed/9IP (7.12).
   488. Brent Posted: October 06, 2005 at 02:16 AM (#1665935)
John,

Isn't the total up to 117 now?
   489. yest Posted: October 06, 2005 at 02:24 AM (#1665953)
How a bought puting the number for players at that position by the position
   490. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 02:58 PM (#1666609)
Isn't the total up to 117 now?

Yes, it is, Brent. Thanks!

How a bought puting the number for players at that position by the position

Funny, but I thought the same thing when I saw the top of this page this morning before I saw your post, yest. You know what they say about great minds, right? :-)
   491. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 03:15 PM (#1666664)
I never got a response to the 1902 batting title

What is the backstory on this, yest?

can you still put on his 346 career batting avg seeing how it was retroactively had the highest batting average ever for a complete career

Done.
   492. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 03:23 PM (#1666692)
can you still put on his 346 career batting avg seeing how it was retroactively had the highest batting average ever for a complete career

Done.


Wait, Delahanty was behind Keeler, so I would say no to adding that. I will mention his BA, though.
   493. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 03:33 PM (#1666712)
yest:

In regard to Walsh, I'm going to keep the plaque as is. It's just going to be confusing otherwise.

BTW, if another old record is changed, I will revise the plaque in the same way. We don't need to get too obsessive that we have to meet 100% historical accuracy for each plaque.
   494. DavidFoss Posted: October 06, 2005 at 03:40 PM (#1666721)
I never got a response to the 1902 batting title

What is the backstory on this, yest?


The HOF plaques of both Delahanty and Lajoie indicate that Delahanty won the AL batting title in 1902 while Lajoie did not.

Current tabulations show that Lajoie had a higher batting average. I don't know when that occurred. Was there an error that was fixed? Was Lajoie deemed eligible after the fact while at the fact they had assumed he had not played enough to qualify? Lajoie's playing time was limited due to issues with his jumping leagues. I believe he had to stay out of games in Philadelphia or stay out of PHI/CLE games.

There are some similarities between this case and the Cobb/Lajoie case of 1910. In both cases, Lajoie was not granted the title at first but was found to be the leader much later.

On the other hand, there was shenanigans involved in how Lajoie had been given hits in his final game in 1910 which the league was aware about at the time. Bowie Kuhn specifically ruled that Cobb should keep the 1910 title perhaps in part due to the shenanigans.

I have not heard anything about the 1902 title. If it was a simple mistake, then it's probably good to correct it to get it right and give it to Lajoie. I don't know if there were also shenanigans involved there, though.
   495. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 03:55 PM (#1666754)
I'm going to keep the plaques as is for Big Ed and Nap. Again, we can pretend that we're a bunch of statistics nerds (smile when you say that!) that knew the correct records at the time of induction for each plaque, while the establishment refused to make them official.
   496. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 06, 2005 at 10:27 PM (#1667721)
I'm starting to give a little more heft to some of the early plaques. Anson is the first recipient of this.
   497. yest Posted: October 06, 2005 at 10:56 PM (#1667779)
Current tabulations show that Lajoie had a higher batting average. I don't know when that occurred. Was there an error that was fixed? Was Lajoie deemed eligible after the fact while at the fact they had assumed he had not played enough to qualify? Lajoie's playing time was limited due to issues with his jumping leagues. I believe he had to stay out of games in Philadelphia or stay out of PHI/CLE games.

I'm pretty sure it has to do with their eligabilty
here's their relivant 1902 stats
Nap 87 games, 352 at bats, 133 hits, 378 batting avg.
Big Ed 123 games, 473 at bats, 178 hits, 376 batting avg.
   498. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 12:48 AM (#1667924)
Ross Barnes' plaque has been updated.
   499. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:07 AM (#1667959)
Charlie Bennett's plaque has been updated.
   500. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:10 AM (#1668035)
Frank Baker's and Dan Brouthers' plaques have been updated.
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