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Monday, August 02, 2004

The Baseball Hall of Merit Plaque Room: Home Page

Enter here to see the players that have been immortalized in the Hall of Merit.

John Murphy was the curator of the Plaque Room and creator (with Ryan Wagman’s help) of the plaques. As of 2011 the creator of the plaques is theorioleway.

David Foss is in charge of the franchise cap standings.

Devin McCullen provides the city and state cap standings.

yest helps us out double-checking the plaques for accuracy.

The whole process is overseen by our commissioner and founder Joe Dimino.

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For Hall of Meriters S-Z, please click here.

The current roster (246 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position):

Pitchers (66): Pete Alexander+, Kevin Brown+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Roger Clemens+**, Stan Coveleski, David Cone, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Rick Reuschel, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Tom Seaver+**, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*.

Catchers (20): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Mike Piazza+, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe TorreQuincy Trouppe and Deacon White+.

First Basemen (21): Cap Anson+, Jeff Bagwell+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, Rafael Palmeiro, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, and Bill Terry+.

Second Basemen (22): Roberto Alomar+, Ross Barnes+, Craig Biggio+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+.

Third Basemen (19): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken BoyerJimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Eddie Mathews+, John McGraw, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson.

Shortstops (26): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, Barry Larkin+, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+.

Left Fielders (23): Jesse Burkett, Barry Bonds+*, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Rickey Henderson+*, Monte Irvin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+.

Center Fielders (26): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard BrownPete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, George Gore+, Billy Hamilton+Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn.

Right Fielders (22): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Enos Slaughter+, Reggie Smith, Sam Thompson, Larry Walker+, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+.

Designated Hitters (1): Edgar Martinez+

+ first-year candidate honorees (140)

* unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (16)

** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (9)

2012 Franchise Cap Standings
1.   Giants - 19 (Bonds, Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe,
     Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2.   Cubs - 17 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett,
     BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T.  Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn,
     Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T.  Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson,
     Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T.  Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller,
     Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T.  Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick,
     Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
6T.  Athletics - 12 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Henderson, McGwire, Plank,
     ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8.   Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline,
     Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
9T.  Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts,
     Schmidt, Thompson)
9T.  Reds - 10 (Bench, CJones, Groh, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
9T. Dodgers - 10 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, 
     Vance, Wheat)
12T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
12T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
12T.  Red Sox - 9 (Boggs, Clemens, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, RSmith, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15T. Orioles - 6 (Murray, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
17.  Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 4 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw)
18T. Astros - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, JWynn)
18T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
18T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
18T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
18T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
18T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
18T. Montreal Expos - 3 (GCarter, Dawson, Raines)
18T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
26T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
26T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
26T. Blue Jays - 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
26T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
26T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
26T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
26T. Mets - 2 (Cone, Seaver)
26T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
26T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
26T  Rangers - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
26T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
26T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen)
38T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
38T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy)
38T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
38T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
38T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
38T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
38T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
38T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
38T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
38T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
38T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
38T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
38T. Mariners - 1 (Martinez)
38T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
38T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
38T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
38T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
38T  Rockies - 1 (Walker)
38T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
2012 Cap Standings by City
1T.  Chicago - 29 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, 
E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, 
Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, 
Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams)
1T.  New York - 29 (Berra, Bresnahan, Cone, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, 
DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, 
Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, 
Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams)
3.   Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton,
Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank,
Roberts, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell)
4T.  Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, 
Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, 
Sewell, Speaker, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young)
4T.  St. Louis - 18 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Frisch, B. Gibson, 
Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, 
Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells)
6.   Boston - 17 (Barnes, Boggs, Clemens, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, 
McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, 
G. Wright, Yastrzemski)
7T.  Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, 
Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, 
Whitaker)
7T.  Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, 
J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner)
9T.  Baltimore - 10 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, 
Murray, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson)
9T.  Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, 
J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
9T.  Cincinnati - 10 (Bench, Groh, Jones, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, 
F. Robinson, Rose, Roush)
12. San Francisco - 7 (Bonds, Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry)
13. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen)
14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire)
16. Los Angeles - 4 (Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, D. Sutton)
17T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T. Houston - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, J. Wynn)
17T. Montreal - 3 (Carter, Dawson, Raines)
17T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
17T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson)
22T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan)
22T. Arlington - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
221T. N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms)
22T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
22T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
22T. Toronto – 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
28T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
28T. Atlanta - 1 (Niekro)
28T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy)
28T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
28T. Denver - 1 (Walker)
28T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
28T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
28T. Louisville – 1 (Browning)
28T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
28T. Seattle – 1 (Martinez)

* Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.

2012 Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no 
knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital:
1.   New York (42)
2.   Pennsylvania (33)
3T.  Illinois (28)
3T.  Ohio (28)
5.   Missouri (23)
6.   California (20)
7.   Massachusetts (17)
8.   Michigan (13)
9.   Maryland (10)
10.  Wisconsin (6)
11.  Texas (5)
12T. Minnesota (3)
12T. Quebec (3)
12T. District of Columbia (3)
15T. Cuba (2)
15T. New Jersey (2)
15T. Rhode Island (2)
15T. Georgia (2)
15T. Indiana (2)
15T. Kentucky (2)
15T. Ontario (2)
22T. Colorado (1)
22T. Oregon (1)



Note all mentions of Win Shares on plaques are adjusted to 162 games.

All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP).

Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type.

Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque.

Here are the plaques of the most recent inductees:


Barry Bonds - 2013 - LF
18.8 seasons with Pittsburgh (NL) 1986-1992; San Francisco (NL) 1993-2007
Cap: San Francisco Giants (NL)
Like his godfather Willie Mays, Barry Bonds’ impact on baseball left many in awe. Widely considered as one of the best players of all-time, he was unanimously placed first on every Hall of Merit ballot in his first year of consideration. A great all-around player early in his career who evolved into the most intimidating hitter ever (he has each of the top three and six of the top ten seasons of accumulated intentional walks), Bonds’ name is everywhere in the record books. He led the league in Runs (1992), HR (1993 and 2001, when he established a new single-season record 73), RBI (1993) BB (1992, 1994-1997, 2000-2004, 2006-2007), IBB (1992-1998, 2002-2004, 2006-2007), TB (1993), BA (2002, 2004), OBP (1991-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, 2006-2007, with 2004’s .609 and 2002’s .582 being the top two seasonal OBPs in baseball history) SLG (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004, which includes the MLB record of .863, set in 2001), OPS (1990-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, including the top two marks in history in 2004’s 1.422 and 2002’s 1.381), and OPS+ (1990-1993, 2000-2004, including the top three marks in MLB history, in 2002’s 268, 2004’s 263, and 2001’s 259). His 2004 season was also noteworthy in that he became the first player to have a season with more times on base than at bats (376 vs. 373). Bonds’ individual season dominance added up, as at the time of his induction he ranked in the top ten all-time in PA (9th – 12,606), Runs (3rd – 2,207), TB (4th – 5,796), HR (1st – 762), RBI (4th – 1,996), BB (1st – 2,558), IBB (1st – 688), XBH (2nd – 1,440), AB/HR (3rd – 12.9), times on-base (2nd – 5,599), OBP (6th - .444), SLG (6th - .607), OPS (4th – 1.051), and OPS+ (3rd – 182). Bonds is also the only player in the history of the game to reach the 500 marks in both career HR and career SB. He played on six division winning teams (1990-1992 with Pittsburgh and 1997, 2000, 2003 with San Francisco) and with the wild-card winning Giants in 2002 submitted a World Series performance for the ages, hitting .471/.700/1.294 with 4 HR in a losing effort. He holds the all-time Giants records in BB (1,947), IBB (575) OBP (.447), SLG (.666), OPS (1.143), and OPS+ (199). Fourteen-time All-Star (1990, 1992-1998, 2000-2004, 2007) who won 12 Silver Slugger awards (1990-1994, 1996-1997, 2000-2004), eight Gold Gloves (1990-1994, 1996-1998), and a record seven MVP awards (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004).

Roger Clemens - 2013 - P
Boston (AL) 1984-1996; Toronto (AL) 1997-1998; New York (AL) 1999-2003, 2007; Houston (NL) 2004-2006
Cap: Boston Red Sox (AL)
Known as the Rocket for his fiery temperament and overpowering fastball, Roger Clemens is considered by many as the best post-WWII pitcher—if not the best in all of baseball history. A workhorse pitcher who twice struck out 20 batters in a game, Clemens dominated the pitching landscape during his career. He led the league in wins (1986-1987, 1997-1998), winning percentage (1986, 2001, 2004), CG (1987-1988, 1997), SHO (1987-1988, 1990-1992, 1997), IP (1991, 1997), SO (1988, 1991, 1996-1998), ERA (1986, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2005), WHIP (1986, 1992, 1997), ERA+ (1986, 1990-1992, 1994, 1997-1998, 2005), H/9 (1986, 1994, 1998, 2005), SO/9 (1988, 1996, 1998), and SO/BB (1987-1988, 1990, 1992). Clemens was on two World Series winning teams (1999 and 2000 with the Yankees) along with seven other division winners (1986, 1988, 1990, 1995 with Boston and 2001-2003 with New York) and three wild-card winners (2004-2005 with Houston and 2007 with New York). Clemens’ 199 postseason innings are the fourth most all-time and his 173 strikeouts rank third all-time at the time of his induction. In his eight World Series starts, he went 3-0 with a 2.37 ERA and 49 strikeouts. For his career, Clemens ended up with the 9th most wins (354), 16th most innings pitched (4,916.2), third in strikeouts (4,672), seventh in games started (707), and tenth in ERA+ (143). All-time Red Sox leader in wins (192), SO (2,590), and SHO (38). Eleven-time All-Star (1986, 1988, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2001, 2003-2005) who won seven Cy Young awards (1986-1987, 1991, 1997-1998, 2001, 2004) and an MVP award (1986).

Mike Piazza - 2013 - C
12.2 seasons with Los Angeles (NL) 1992-1998; Florida (NL) 1998; New York (NL) 1998-2005; San Diego (NL) 2006; Oakland (AL) 2007
Cap: Los Angeles Dodgers (NL)
Considered by many to be the best-hitting catcher in Major League history, Mike Piazza hit like a first baseman while playing the most demanding position on the field. A 62nd round draft pick in 1988, Piazza made all the other teams look like fools for not drafting him in 1993 as he won the Rookie of the Year award by hitting .318/.370/.561 (153 OPS+) with 35 HR and 112 RBI. That rookie season announced Piazza as a force to be reckoned with for a long time, as it was his first of ten seasons wherein he would put up an OPS+ of 135 or better, leading the league in both 1995 (172) and 1997 (185). By the time Piazza retired, he held the record for the most HR (427, 396 while playing catcher) and highest slugging percentage (.545) for a catcher. Piazza hit .412/.545/.941 in the NLCS against the St. Louis Cardinals to help the 2000 wild-card winner New York Mets reach the World Series, and was also on two division winners (1995 Dodgers and 2006 Padres) and two other wild-card winners (1996 Dodgers and 1999 Mets). Twelve-time All-Star (1993-2002, 2004-2005) who won ten consecutive Silver Slugger awards (1993-2002). Has the highest career OPS+ in Dodgers history (160) and highest career SLG in Mets history (.542).

Craig Biggio - 2013 - 2B/C/CF
18.0 seasons with Houston (NL) 1988-2007
Cap: Houston Astros (NL)
A gritty player known for doing whatever it took to help the team, from getting hit by pitches (he led the league five times and has the second-most all-time with 285) to changing positions (he moved from C to 2B to CF to LF back to 2B over his long career), Craig Biggio’s impact on the field was undeniable. In 1992 the Astros moved Biggio from C to 2B in an effort to maximize his odds of being able to play every day and the gamble worked out as he quickly became the best 2B in the National League, a position he would hold throughout the 1990s. A sparkplug at the top of the lineup (one of only eight players with both 3,000 hits and 400 stolen bases), Biggio led the league in games played three times (1992, 1996-1997), PA five times (1992, 1995, 1997-1999), Runs twice (1995, 1997), 2B three times (1994, 1998, 1999) and SB once (1994). An integral member of the “Killer Bs” along with long-time teammate Jeff Bagwell, Biggio spent his entire career with the Astros and was part of four division winners (1997-1999, 2001) and two wild-card winners (2004-2005) making the World Series in 2005 (the first Houston team to win a pennant). At his induction, Biggio ranked in the top 25 all-time in G (16th—2,850), PA (10th—12,504), R (15th—1,844), H (21st—3,060), 2B (5th—668) and times on base (18th—4,505). Seven-time All-Star (1991-1992, 1994-1998) who won five Silver Slugger awards (1989, 1994-1995, 1997-1998) and four Gold Gloves (1994-1997). He holds the franchise record for most G, PA, R, H, TB (4,711), 2B, XBH (1,014), HBP, and times on base.

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   501. Brent Posted: October 07, 2005 at 02:34 AM (#1668065)
John,

I'm curious why you picked second base as Dihigo's primary position? He played so many positions that it's obviously difficult to single out any one, but if I had to pick one primary position it would be pitcher. From about 1932 on, Dihigo was pretty much a full-time pitcher first and then a utility position player in the games he wasn't pitching.
   502. yest Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:04 AM (#1668083)
Cap Anson
led in outfield doubleplays once

Lou Boudreau
double playes
typo

Bill Dickey
after hit many homers later in his career can you put (212 for his career)
his lifetime 313 batting avg
record for the highest batting avg for a catcher in a season (362 in 1936)
   503. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:43 PM (#1668427)
Brent:

As you pointed out, it's difficult pigeonholing him into one position. What I did was use Holway's order of preference for Dihigo's positions, but I think he was only dealing with Negro League seasons (excluding Cuba, Venezuela, and Santo Domingo).

Your post makes sense, so I'll make the proper changes.
   504. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 01:55 PM (#1668443)
Cap Anson
led in outfield doubleplays once


It was already there, yest.

Lou Boudreau
double playes
typo


Boy, that annoys me. The "S" is next to the "E" on my keyboard, so maybe that's my problem. The damn spell-check should have caught it any rate (unless there is a word spelled playe?)

Bill Dickey
after hit many homers later in his career can you put (212 for his career)
his lifetime 313 batting avg
record for the highest batting avg for a catcher in a season (362 in 1936)


Done.
   505. DavidFoss Posted: October 07, 2005 at 03:25 PM (#1668589)
unless there is a word spelled playe

Looks like a Shakespeare spelling -- and he did write many playes.
   506. yest Posted: October 07, 2005 at 04:55 PM (#1668809)
It was already there, yest.
John I did these changes a few weeks ago so the changes are based on what was there at the time


a few more suggestions
Lefty Grove
ERA= (152) ERA+ (152)

Stan Hack
most double plays 4 times

Billy Hamilton
one time holder of the highest obp ever

Billy Herman
most double plays 4 times
   507. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 06:43 PM (#1669143)
Looks like a Shakespeare spelling -- and he did write many playes.

Maybe. It's still weird.

BTW, Three Finger Brown's and Burkett's plaques have been updated.

yest, I made those changes.
   508. jimd Posted: October 07, 2005 at 07:17 PM (#1669216)
While you're doing updates: There are now 30 pitchers.
   509. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 07:23 PM (#1669225)
Thanks, Jim!
   510. yest Posted: October 07, 2005 at 07:37 PM (#1669251)
Paul Hines
the leaders section is divided in to 2 parts

Joe Jackson
how a bought mentioning his 356 batting avg.

Walter Johnson
the holder of the lowest era ever 1.60 after the 1913 season (minumum 1500 IP)

Willie Keeler
the only player to ever have a batting avg over 380
   511. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 07, 2005 at 09:08 PM (#1669554)
Paul Hines
the leaders section is divided in to 2 parts


I'll clean that up when I update his plaque in the next week. That's a combination of Joe's and my handiwork, so that's why it's not seamless.

Joe Jackson
how a bought mentioning his 356 batting avg.


Done.

Walter Johnson
the holder of the lowest era ever 1.60 after the 1913 season (minumum 1500 IP)

Willie Keeler
the only player to ever have a batting avg over 380


I'm going to say ixnay on these two. If they didn't retire with them, I wont post them. Just too much information.
   512. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 08, 2005 at 03:52 PM (#1670957)
Carey's plaque has been updated.
   513. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 08, 2005 at 04:11 PM (#1670981)
Caruthers' plaque has been updated.
   514. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 08, 2005 at 05:20 PM (#1671062)
Alexander's plaque has been updated.
   515. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 08, 2005 at 08:44 PM (#1671287)
Clarke's plaque has been updated.
   516. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 09, 2005 at 12:21 AM (#1671563)
Clarkson's plaque has been updated.
   517. yest Posted: October 09, 2005 at 02:16 AM (#1671762)
a few more suggestions
Napoleon Lajoie
one time holder of the highest batting avg and slugging % ever
3242 hits
it’s 657 career doubles not 697
most NL putouts once and double plays once most AL putouts 4 times, assists 3 times, and double plays 5 times

Bid McPhee
Most AA putouts 4 times most AA assists 4 times
Most NL putouts 4 times most NL assists twice
(BTW the most double plays 11 times is a record Maz is next with 8)

Jim O’Rourke
his link doesn’t work
got the the NL’s first hit

“John’s favorite player” Pearce
Most SS double plays in 1871(35 years old) most SS assists 1874-1875 (38 and 39 years old)
   518. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 09, 2005 at 03:46 PM (#1672106)
a few more suggestions
Napoleon Lajoie
one time holder of the highest batting avg and slugging % ever
3242 hits
it’s 657 career doubles not 697
most NL putouts once and double plays once most AL putouts 4 times, assists 3 times, and double plays 5 times


Done, except I phrased your first addition a lttle differently.

Bid McPhee
Most AA putouts 4 times most AA assists 4 times
Most NL putouts 4 times most NL assists twice
(BTW the most double plays 11 times is a record Maz is next with 8)


Done.

Jim O’Rourke
his link doesn’t work
got the the NL’s first hit


Done, though I don't know why you had a problem with O'Rourke's since it worked for me.

“John’s favorite player” Pearce
Most SS double plays in 1871(35 years old) most SS assists 1874-1875 (38 and 39 years old)


:-) He's not my favorite all-time (Lou Gehrig owns that spot), but he might be my favorite 19th Century player.

As always, thanks!
   519. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 09, 2005 at 04:04 PM (#1672122)
Funny, but the O'Rourke link is not working anymore.

I'll make a link from baseballlibrary.com for him instead.
   520. yest Posted: October 09, 2005 at 08:14 PM (#1672441)
a few more suggestions
Charley Radbourn
mentioning his “Old Hoss” somewhere on the plaque
NL record for most strikeouts in a season (441) mentioning the 59 wins is a ML record


Amos Rusie
incomplete leaders list
partly responsible for moving back the mound

Jim Sheckard
most outfield putouts once, assists 3 times, and double plays twice

Tris Speaker
he retired with the ML record for most outfield putouts not just the AL (I‘m assuming you meant currently holds the AL record)(Willie Mays beat Speaker but Speaker’s second)
can you mention his 3514 hits
AL record for most outfield assists in a season (35)(1909 and 1912)
most outfield putouts 7 times (an AL record), assists, 3 times, and double plays 6 times
   521. favre Posted: October 09, 2005 at 10:04 PM (#1672772)
Not a huge deal, but you might want to switch left fielders and right fielders in the intro. That way, the positions listed will be in order of their scorecard notation (2-9).
   522. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 10, 2005 at 01:39 AM (#1673402)
favre:

I agree that it should be the way you suggested. Thanks!

a few more suggestions
Charley Radbourn
mentioning his “Old Hoss” somewhere on the plaque
NL record for most strikeouts in a season (441) mentioning the 59 wins is a ML record


Amos Rusie
incomplete leaders list
partly responsible for moving back the mound


I did the Rabourn additions and beefed up the Rusie leader information. I decided to leave out the tidbit about Rusie and the mound, though. Not that I disagree with you about it being there (I don't), but I want to wait until I expand upon his plaque later on (his and Radbourn's plaque are early ones and look scrawny compared to later ones). I need some time when I combine Joe's info with my additions so they will be practically seamless.

After I update Rusie's plaque, remind me if I forget to mention the pitching mound trivia.

Jim Sheckard
most outfield putouts once, assists 3 times, and double plays twice

Tris Speaker
he retired with the ML record for most outfield putouts not just the AL (I‘m assuming you meant currently holds the AL record)(Willie Mays beat Speaker but Speaker’s second)
can you mention his 3514 hits
AL record for most outfield assists in a season (35)(1909 and 1912)
most outfield putouts 7 times (an AL record), assists, 3 times, and double plays 6 times


Done. I agree with the OF putouts record for Speaker - it should be ML, not AL, for the plaque. Thanks, yest!
   523. yest Posted: October 10, 2005 at 02:46 AM (#1673588)
a few more suggestions
Joe Start
most 1B putouts 4 times (1877-78 1880 1882) assits twice (1873-74)

Harry Stovey
why’s the “and” in bold

Sam Thompson
holds the career record for .373 runs produced per game
never had a full a full season with out 100 runs

Bobby Wallace
He also led the AL in fielding percentage three times and assists twice
he also led the NL in assists once, and double plays once

Paul Waner
The sixth player to reach three-thousand hits
after this can you put (3512 hits)
also he was the 7th after Anson, Wagner, Lajoie, Cobb, Speaker, and Collins (I‘m assuming where you got this from they didn‘t include Anson)
   524. Paul Wendt Posted: October 10, 2005 at 03:12 AM (#1673667)
1.
yest,
Where/how at mlb.com do you look up past career leaders?
Example: career leader in shortstop assists through 1945

2.
All,
For a fielding rate statistics such as assists per game (not yet included here, I think), what should be the threshold number of games (or number of assists, but games is traditional) for season and career rankings?

3.
John!Murphy,
In the fancy version of the Hall of Merit, with portraits, autographs, and so on, perhaps there should be a systematic treatment of each member's career rank in statistical categories upon retirement, as well as single-season leaderships (yest's focus) and alltime season and career records.
   525. Paul Wendt Posted: October 10, 2005 at 03:13 AM (#1673671)
1.
yest,
Where/how at mlb.com do you look up past career leaders?
Example: career leader in shortstop assists through 1945

2.
All,
For a fielding rate statistics such as assists per game (not yet included here, I think), what should be the threshold number of games (or number of assists, but games is traditional) for season and career rankings?

3.
John!Murphy,
In the fancy version of the Hall of Merit, with portraits, autographs, and so on, perhaps there should be a systematic treatment of each member's career rank in statistical categories upon retirement, as well as single-season leaderships (yest's focus) and alltime season and career records.
   526. Paul Wendt Posted: October 10, 2005 at 04:07 AM (#1673766)
This may be useful. The date at left margin is the year this player attained the alltime career record. Right of the player's name is his career total at the end of each season (skipping some seasons) beginning when he attained the record and ending
a) when he attained his full-career total, whence a second date is given, or
b) when someone else surpassed him.

For example, Tom York is the leader thru 1875 (when this record begins) with 273 games, increasing to 963 games thru 1885 (his career total). Paul Hines broke that record in 1886, with 1000 at season's end, increasing to 1376 thru 1891 (his career total). 1892 is not represented by a number or a comma(skip a year) but the 1893 date for O'Rourke shows that Hines still held the record at end 1892.

OUTFIELDING TOTALS
ALL
-TIME CAREER LEADERS AT END OF EACH SEASON

Games
1875 York  273
,340,396,458,539,592,677,,941,963 -1885
1886 Hines  1000
,,,,,1376 -1891
1893 O
'Rourke  1444 -1893
1895 Brown  1537,1653,1768,1783 -1898
1902 Ryan  1829,1943 -1903
1905 Burkett  2053 -1905
1910 Clarke  2085,2186,,2188,2189 - 1914
1915 Crawford  2217,2299 -1916
1923 Cobb  2407,,,2722,,2934 - 1928

Putouts
1875 York  736,889,1019,1108,1222,1316,1475,,1905,1946 -1885
1886 Hines  2004,,,,,,2694 -1891
1894 Brown  2799,3073,3335,3587,3623 -1898
1901 Hoy  3809,3958 -1902
1905 Burkett  3961 -1905
1909 Clarke  4288,4572,4788,,4790 -1913
1922 Speaker  5002,5371,5694,,6399,,6788 - 1928
1971 Mays  6854,,7095 -1973

Assists
1875 Leonard  44,50,55,63
1879 Shaffer  100,135,159,,,241,,273,,,,,290 -1892
1894 Brown  307,323,330,347,348 -1898
1900 Ryan  352,,368,375 - 1903
1924 Speaker  393,,429,,449 - 1928

Errors
1875 Leonard  113
1876 Treacy  143
1877 York  149,164,178,185,214,,,288,297 -1885
1886 Hines  297,,,,,385 -1991
1893 Brown  393,427,445,466,487,490 -1898

Double Plays
1875 Treacy  11
1876 Pike  13,14
1877 Eggler  14
1878 Remsen  17,18
1880 Hines  20,26,,,37,42,,,46,,,,56 -1891
1893 Brown  65,73,78,80,85,85 -1898
1918 Speaker  85,91,99,,107,114,117,,133,,139 - 1928 


Tom Brown held all five records, 1895 to 1899.

Honorable mention to Jimmy Sheckard, who retired second in assists and double plays.
   527. Paul Wendt Posted: October 10, 2005 at 04:15 AM (#1673779)
oops, Sheckard retired with 307 assists, super but not second, and 80 double plays, second.

There may be some clerical errors here, but most likely in the particular numbers rather than the succession of leaders.

Only days ago, I did this for outfielding only, using lahman_52. Is it available elsewhere?
   528. yest Posted: October 10, 2005 at 04:35 AM (#1673793)
yest,
Where/how at mlb.com do you look up past career leaders?
Example: career leader in shortstop assists through 1945


I don't I take the career list from total baseball and eliminate all the years after that date and double/triple check for mistakes

MLB.com has trouble adding up players who played for more than one team in a career but for some reason it adds them for a single season exept when they change leauges
they also don't show teams that don't exict today

the retrosheet players page also show fielding leaders.
   529. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 10, 2005 at 05:45 PM (#1674518)
3.
John!Murphy,
In the fancy version of the Hall of Merit, with portraits, autographs, and so on, perhaps there should be a systematic treatment of each member's career rank in statistical categories upon retirement, as well as single-season leaderships (yest's focus) and alltime season and career records.


That sounds like a good idea, Paul.
   530. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 10, 2005 at 06:05 PM (#1674557)
a few more suggestions
Joe Start
most 1B putouts 4 times (1877-78 1880 1882) assits twice (1873-74)


Done.

Harry Stovey
why’s the “and” in bold


Because I wanted to stress the point that he was the best slugger-speedster of his time.

Sam Thompson
holds the career record for .373 runs produced per game
never had a full a full season with out 100 runs


I didn't include your runs produced tidbit because we haven't used that anywhere else, but I did add some info about his runs and ribbies.

Bobby Wallace
He also led the AL in fielding percentage three times and assists twice
he also led the NL in assists once, and double plays once


Done.

Paul Waner
The sixth player to reach three-thousand hits
after this can you put (3512 hits)
also he was the 7th after Anson, Wagner, Lajoie, Cobb, Speaker, and Collins (I‘m assuming where you got this from they didn‘t include Anson)


Done. BTW, you're right about the "sixth player to reach three-thousand hits" observation. I picked that up somewhere where they don't count Anson as a member of that group.

Thanks again!
   531. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 10, 2005 at 06:12 PM (#1674570)
BTW, could you use the italics button instead of typing them out yourself, yest? It seems as if you forget to add the slash when you try to end them in about a quarter of your posts. :-)
   532. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 10, 2005 at 06:38 PM (#1674622)
Paul, I updated the plaques with the information that you posted at #607. Thanks!
   533. yest Posted: October 10, 2005 at 09:42 PM (#1675189)
John for some reason the italics bottun dosn't work on my computer

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   534. yest Posted: October 10, 2005 at 09:46 PM (#1675201)
a few more suggestions
Monte Ward
only playe to have 2000 hits and 100 wins
most 2B assists once
Led the NL in shortstop putouts twice, and double plays once
Led the PL in shortstop putouts and assists


Zack Wheat
his link gives you Walter Johnson
He also holds the all-time Brooklyn club records for games played, at bats, hits, doubles, triples and total bases.
can you make that
He also holds the all-time Brooklyn club records for games played (2322), at bats (8859), hits (2804), doubles (464), triples (171) and total bases (4003).

Deacon White
Led the NA in catcher putouts 3 times, assists once, and double plays once

George Wright
Led the NA in SS putouts 3 times, assists twice, and double plays 4 times
Led the NL in SS putouts twice, assists twice, and double plays twice
   535. yest Posted: October 10, 2005 at 09:49 PM (#1675207)
a few more suggestions
Monte Ward
only playe to have 2000 hits and 100 wins
most 2B assists once
Led the NL in shortstop putouts twice, and double plays once
Led the PL in shortstop putouts and assists


Zack Wheat
his link gives you Walter Johnson
He also holds the all-time Brooklyn club records for games played, at bats, hits, doubles, triples and total bases.
can you make that
He also holds the all-time Brooklyn club records for games played (2322), at bats (8859), hits (2804), doubles (464), triples (171) and total bases (4003).

Deacon White
Led the NA in catcher putouts 3 times, assists once, and double plays once

George Wright
Led the NA in SS putouts 3 times, assists twice, and double plays 4 times
Led the NL in SS putouts twice, assists twice, and double plays twice
   536. Paul Wendt Posted: October 10, 2005 at 10:39 PM (#1675348)
# Paul, I updated the plaques with the information that you posted at #607. Thanks!

You're welcome.
Nothing but outfielding, I'm sorry to say.

# Posted by yest on October 10, 2005 at 05:42 PM (#1675189)
John for some reason the italics bottun dosn't work on my computer.

Apparently, the italic button merely inserts an open -italic or a close-italic tag, depending which appears most recently, at the end of the composition window. It doesn't italicize the selected text.

--
On my A.M. visit, there was a live preview. This evening, there is none. I'm guessing that the switch from square to angle brackets, for html tags, is universal.
   537. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 11, 2005 at 12:11 AM (#1675545)
They're all done, yest.
   538. yest Posted: October 11, 2005 at 12:16 AM (#1675559)
and my last change currenty on record
Bill Terry
most assists 5 times not 6
sorry a bout the mistake see post 50- 52 if your interested how the mistake was made





also here are the other HoMer putouts, assists, and double plays leaders I listed these sepratley because I couldn't careless whether they were on their plaques or not due to their not leading a lot of times or their was a lot on the plaques already


unless otherwise stated there all for their main positions

Dan Brouthers putouts once, and double plays once
Jesse Burkett putouts once
Fred Clarke putouts once
Ty Cobb putouts once, assists twice, and double plays 4 times
Sam Crawford double plays once
Joe DiMaggio putouts once, assists once, and double plays once
Elmer Flick assists once
Jimmie Foxx putouts once, and assists 3 times
Frankie Frisch putouts once, assists once, and double plays once
Lou Gehrig putouts twice, assists once, and double plays once
Hank Greenberg putouts twice, and assists twice
Billy Hamilton putouts once
Harry Heilmann assists once
Paul Hines double plays once
Rogers Hornsby 2B putouts twice, assists twice, double plays 3 times, and SS double plays once
King Kelly C assists once, and outfield double plays once
Jim O’Rourke 1B putouts once, and double plays once
Mel Ott assists twice, and double plays twice
Lip Pike outfield double plays twice
Hardy Richardson 2B putouts once, 3B double plays once, and outfield double plays once
Al Simmons putouts once
Harry Stovey 1B assists once
Sam Thompson assists twice, and double plays twice
Honus Wagner SS putouts twice, and double plays 4 times
Paul Waner assits once and double plays twice
Zack Wheat putouts once
   539. Paul Wendt Posted: October 11, 2005 at 04:10 PM (#1676859)
FWIW, here is the history of career games played leadership at the three outfield positions separately, again relying on lahman_52.

<pre>gLF
1875 Cuthbert245,308
1876 York308 ... 893 -1885
1888 Dalrymple912
1889 Hornung975,1051 -1890
1891 Wood1170,1192 -1892
1900 Burkett1229,,,,,1935 -1905
1909 Clarke1961 ... 2183 -1915
1926 Wheat2271,2328 -1927
2001 Henderson2354,2403,2421 -2003
2004 Bonds2476,2489

(Lou Brock only 2164)

gCF
1875 Eggler256,293,326
1878 Remsen380,406
1881 Hines466 ... 1303 -1891
1897 Griffin1325,1459 -1898
1899 Hoy1522 ... 1726 -1902
1920 Speaker1750 ... 2690 -1928
1971 Mays2722 ... 2827 -1973

gRF
1875 Bechtel156,170 -1876
1876 Addy183 -1877
1878 Higham214 -1878
1880 Shaffer281 ... 712 -1886
1889 Wolf767 ... 1026 -1892
1893 Thompson1040 ... 1393 -1898
1903 Donovan1493,1613,1613
1906 Keeler1725 ... 2013 -1910
1924 Hooper2068,2192 -1925
1943 Waner2225,2256 -1944
1972 Clemente2302

(Henry Aaron only 2184, Tony Gwynn only 2144)
   540. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 11, 2005 at 10:29 PM (#1677793)
yest, I made the additions, but I have some questions:

Hank Greenberg putouts twice, and assists twice


For first basemen?

Frankie Frisch putouts once, assists once, and double plays once

For second basemen?

Thanks again!
   541. yest Posted: October 11, 2005 at 10:35 PM (#1677817)
yes to both
   542. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 11, 2005 at 10:38 PM (#1677825)
Thanks, yest! I really appreciate your help with this project.
   543. yest Posted: October 11, 2005 at 10:49 PM (#1677838)
Hardy Richardson led in outfield assits once not double plays sorry a bought the mistake
   544. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 12, 2005 at 12:42 AM (#1678046)
Hardy Richardson led in outfield assits once not double plays sorry a bought the mistake

Gotcha.

BTW Paul, thanks for the later lists! I really appreciate them.
   545. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 13, 2005 at 12:22 AM (#1680187)
Updated Cobb's and the two Collins' plaques.
   546. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 13, 2005 at 07:44 PM (#1681988)
Connor's plaque has a little more "gravitas" (God, I hate that word) now.
   547. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 16, 2005 at 05:57 PM (#1686522)
Updated plaques for Coveleski, Crawford, Cronin, and Dahlen.
   548. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: October 16, 2005 at 07:52 PM (#1686624)
I just noticed that we haven't elected a single non-HoF white pitcher. Wes Ferrell is the only one that is close. I guess Al Spalding would sort of count, since he's in the HoF as a pioneer.
   549. yest Posted: October 16, 2005 at 10:09 PM (#1686772)
bob cauthers?
   550. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 16, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1686790)
bob cauthers?

Good catch, yest.
   551. Cblau Posted: October 17, 2005 at 06:04 PM (#1689120)
Connor's plaque has a little more "gravitas" now.
But it is still lacking 5 home runs from his career total.
   552. jimd Posted: October 17, 2005 at 06:43 PM (#1689196)
bob cauthers?

Joe still hasn't acknowledged his election ;-)
   553. Paul Wendt Posted: October 17, 2005 at 07:02 PM (#1689235)
Posted by Cblau Patron Status [it seems everyone has patron status] on October 17, 2005 at 11:04 AM (#1689120)
> Connor's plaque has a little more "gravitas" now.

But it is still lacking 5 home runs from his career total.


Ah, veritas.
   554. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 17, 2005 at 07:51 PM (#1689315)
But it is still lacking 5 home runs from his career total.

Thanks, Cliff!
   555. DavidFoss Posted: October 17, 2005 at 11:26 PM (#1689602)
Just and FYI here. Although I spared all of my HOM data, my computer is still on the fritz. I can only post from work. The cap update will be about a day late. I realize this is probably no big deal. :-)
   556. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 18, 2005 at 12:24 AM (#1689665)
New plaques are up!

Take your time, David. We always appreciate your effort.
   557. Brent Posted: October 18, 2005 at 02:37 AM (#1689922)
In Feller's plaque there's an "NL" that needs to be changed to "AL"
   558. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 18, 2005 at 02:49 AM (#1689950)
Thanks, Brent!
   559. DavidFoss Posted: October 18, 2005 at 07:08 AM (#1690463)
New site means new tags for bold and underline!

The Indians fly by the Braves into sole possession of 3rd place while the Dodgers reap the rewards of early integration.

<u>1962 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Indians - 8 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Feller, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
13T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
13T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
13T.Dodgers - 3 (JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
13T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
13T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
18T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
18T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
18T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
18T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
18T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
18T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   560. DavidFoss Posted: October 31, 2005 at 06:11 AM (#1712301)
I decided I had better post my "fractional cap" list before someone tough gets inducted (Irvin?) and I fall behind again.

I weighted players careers using season-length adjusted Win Shares wherever available. For NA & pre-NA guys I had to do a rough guess-timate. For NeL-ers I used WinShare estimates wherever possible, but in some cases I simply had to weight by number of seasons played for each team. Big margin of error on the NeL-ers.

The point of this exercise was to see if the list was that different. The Giants are still #1 and StL(NA/NL) is still last (among those who get a full cap), but there are a few differences in between.

I kept three decimal places just to break ties, but this really isn't that accurate. I suppoes I should go and round all the numbers, but that's too much work for tonight. This is just for fun.

1962 Fractional Cap Standings  (Team/FractCap/Cap/Diff)

Giants         10.117  11    -0.883
Cubs            8.133  10    -1.867
Braves          7.232   7    +0.232
Tigers          6.156   6    +0.156
WhiteSox        5.550   5    +0.550
Indians         6.227   8    -1.773
Athletics       4.946   6    -1.054
Yankees         4.793   4    +0.793
Pirates         4.739   5    -0.261
Dodgers         5.552   3    +2.552
Phillies        4.131   5    -0.869
Cardinals       3.324   4    -0.676
Home-NeL        3.164   3    +0.164
Red Sox         2.859   1    +1.859
Twins           2.520   3    -0.480
ChiAG-NeL       2.478   3    -0.522
Reds            2.415   2    +0.415
Pro             2.195   2    +0.195
Buf             1.992   4    -2.008
Bal-NL          1.887   3    -1.113
Det-NL          1.664   1    +0.664
KCMon-NeL       1.555   1    +0.555
Cle-NL          1.548   2    -0.452
NYLG-NeL        1.469   2    -0.531
Bkn-Atl         1.396   2    -0.604
BalBS-NeL       1.119   2    -0.881
Orioles         1.092   1    +0.092
PhiG-NeL         .812   1    -0.188
PittCraw-NeL     .805   1    -0.195
BroRoy-NeL       .798   2    -1.202
StlStars-NeL     .737   2    -1.263
DetS-NeL         .636   1    -0.364
Phi-AA           .601   1    -0.399
Lou-NL           .563
Cin-1870s        .552
HillDale-NeL     .537
CubG-NeL         .520   1    -0.480
Tro              .505
Nwk-NeL          .481
Rock             .478
Phi-Ath-NA       .429
CubStar-NeL      .395   1    -0.605
Mex-Lg           .385
Bir-NeL          .369
Leland-NeL       .363
CubanX-NeL       .358
CleFC            .353
CinRS-preNA      .340
IndABC-NeL       .326   1    -0.674
NYMutual         .325
NY-AA            .323
CleB             .322   1    -0.678
Ind              .321
PhiStars-NeL     .315
Bos-PL           .301
Stl-NA           .297   1    -0.703
...
   561. DavidFoss Posted: October 31, 2005 at 06:38 AM (#1712312)
The list goes on, but its a really long tail of short-lived franchises at the end. FWIW, the last non-zero entry is Brooklyn-FL with 0.003.

So, the Dodgers are the team that has lost the most caps. This was due to the strong turn of the century teams that featured many Orioles plus Jimmy Sheckard plus Bob Caruthers before that. The Red Sox are close behind with the contributions of Young, Speaker, Ruth, Cronin and Grove. The Yankees were third. They get almost 100% credit for their four caps while picking up bits of Keeler & Baker.

Buffalo benefitted the most from the winner-take-all cap race. That team wasn't around long enough to hold anyone's full career. The Cubs were next losing fractions of Dahlen, Sheckard & Kelly while the Indians lost parts of Speaker, Lajoie, Flick & Jackson.

One thing of note. Out of all the cap races from 20th century, we seem to have gotten almost all of them right -- for MLB anyways. Using WinShares fractions, Cronin, Speaker, ECollins, even Joe Jackson all ended up with the highest fraction for their winner-take-all cap. The only MLB-20th century exception I remember was Jimmy Sheckard who was slanted very slightly towards Brooklyn over the Cubs. It was very close (.475-450) and I figure that the 4-1 advantage in pennants was a factor there.

For the 19th century, the results weren't bad, but some of the players switched teams so much that its hard to nitpick. Similar story with NeL-ers. One interesting quirk was that Monte Ward was more slanted toward Providence over the Giants (.557-.331) due to the large numbers of WS that pitchers got in the 19th century. I just left that in there.
   562. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 31, 2005 at 01:54 PM (#1712389)
Great stuff, David!

The only MLB-20th century exception I remember was Jimmy Sheckard who was slanted very slightly towards Brooklyn over the Cubs. It was very close (.475-450) and I figure that the 4-1 advantage in pennants was a factor there.

Yeah, that was an extremely close call there. I'm still not sure if I got that one right.
   563. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 01, 2005 at 02:14 AM (#1713866)
New plaques have been posted!
   564. DavidFoss Posted: November 01, 2005 at 02:39 AM (#1713892)
A nostalgic day for fans of three former NY area teams. Brooklyn great Campanella puts the Dodgers into the top ten while Eagle/Giant great Irvin also gets a cap for Newark.

<u>1963 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Indians - 8 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Feller, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
10T.Dodgers - 4 (Campanella, JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
14T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
14T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
14T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
14T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
18T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
18T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
18T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
18T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
18T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
18T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   565. yest Posted: November 04, 2005 at 01:45 AM (#1718398)
on Campy's plaque
He led NL catchers in total chances 6 times, putouts 6 times, assists once, double plays once

he led in double plays twice
   566. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 04, 2005 at 04:29 AM (#1718499)
he led in double plays twice

Which years, yest?
   567. yest Posted: November 04, 2005 at 05:27 AM (#1718529)
he led in 1948 and tied with Del Rice in 1951 with 12 both years
   568. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 15, 2005 at 03:03 AM (#1732087)
New plaques are up!
   569. DavidFoss Posted: November 15, 2005 at 03:42 AM (#1732143)
Competitors in the 1920 World Series, the Indian & Dodger franchises continue their recent cap standing hot streaks thanks to Pee Wee Reese and Wes Ferrell.

<u>1964 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Indians - 9 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Dodgers - 5 (Campanella, PWReese, JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
11T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
11T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
11T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
14T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
14T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
14T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
14T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
18T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
18T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
18T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
18T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
18T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
18T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   570. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: November 15, 2005 at 04:02 PM (#1732430)
Pretty wild that the Braves haven't had a 20th Century HoMer and the Red Sox only have one and we've covered about 113 years of baseball for the two cities. Of course next year Willams will double the 20th Century Boston contingent.
   571. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: November 15, 2005 at 04:02 PM (#1732433)
two teams, not cities, duh.
   572. Chris Cobb Posted: November 15, 2005 at 04:56 PM (#1732497)
Well, the Braves have stunk, haven't they?

The Sox haven't been a bad team, but their luck on cap fractions has been very poor, a bad run that continues with Wes Ferrell in 1964. With Ferrell added in, I'd guess they are up to two full fractional caps lost, between Young, Speaker, Ruth, Grove, Foxx, Cronin, and Ferrell.
   573. Paul Wendt Posted: November 16, 2005 at 08:11 PM (#1734267)
Nineteen sixty five.
Vote for Doby and Lemon.
Indians then rule.
   574. Paul Wendt Posted: November 16, 2005 at 08:17 PM (#1734282)
twentieth century caps

1. Indians - 9 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
2T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
2T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
4T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
4T. Dodgers - 5 (Campanella, PWReese, JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
4T. Giants - 5 (Hubbell, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Terry)
4T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
4T. Cubs - 5 (TFBrown, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Sheckard)
   575. Brent Posted: November 19, 2005 at 06:34 PM (#1738632)
As has been noted previously, it's remarkable that as late as 1965 the Yankees still rank 5th among AL teams (and tied for 9th among 20th century MLB teams).

Although there have been many discussions of possible biases of win shares against players on poorly performing teams, I think the net effect of playing for a top team like the Yankees is to hurt a player's HoM candidacy, especially for a borderline candidate, because these candidates had less opportunity to accumulate impressive career totals. Relative to other teams, we know that it was much harder to break into the Yankee lineup (for example, both Keller and Rizzuto were sent back to the minors after Triple A seasons that would have seen them promoted with most other organizations). During their career, the depth of the bench put playing time at a premium, so that players on good teams (especially the Yankees) were more likely to be platooned. Some players who may have been good enough to play full time with another team (e.g., Slaughter late in his career) were used as pinch hitters. Whitey Ford is another example of how playing with the Yankees cut into playing time -- the knock against him seems to be that he didn't pitch as many innings as other top pitchers, but the depth of the Yankees staff and Stengel's willingness to save Ford for top opponents cut into his innings pitched.

Just something to keep in mind as we try to keep track of context.
   576. DavidFoss Posted: November 21, 2005 at 07:01 AM (#1740281)
The Sox haven't been a bad team, but their luck on cap fractions has been very poor, a bad run that continues with Wes Ferrell in 1964. With Ferrell added in, I'd guess they are up to two full fractional caps lost, between Young, Speaker, Ruth, Grove, Foxx, Cronin, and Ferrell.

Here is how I have the Red Sox breaking down:

Caps         1
FractCaps    3.207



Fractional Caps Gained
JCollins      .479

Fractional Caps Lost

Joe Cronin    .474
Tris Speaker  .413
Cy Young      .379
Jimmie Foxx   .370
Lefty Grove   .366
Wes Ferrell   .348
Babe Ruth     .252
Jesse Burkett .052
Lou Boudreau  .029
Al Simmons    .003

Total        2.686



Lost - Gained = 2.207
   577. DavidFoss Posted: November 21, 2005 at 07:18 AM (#1740297)
I still have the Dodgers with slightly more lost caps with 2.297. They had a couple of close calls with Sheckard & Caruthers and then some strong turn of the century teams that featured a bunch of ex-Orioles.

Caps         5
FractCaps    7.297

Full Cap (fractional cap = 1.000)

Jackie Robinson
Pee Wee Reese

Fractional Caps Gained

Roy Campanella  .255
Dazzy Vance     .050
Zack Wheat      .018

Total           .323

Fractional Caps Lost

Jimmie Sheckard .475
Bob Caruthers   .435
Willie Keeler   .312
Bill Dahlen     .278
Billy Herman    .238
Joe Kelley      .223
Arky Vaughn     .160
Joe McGinnity   .119
Dan Brouthers   .115
Hughie Jennings .084
Monte Ward      .063
Max Carey       .056
Paul Waner      .035
Harry Stovey    .027

Total          2.620
       


Gained - Lost = 2.297
   578. yest Posted: November 21, 2005 at 08:43 AM (#1740339)
Full Cap (fractional cap = 1.000)

Jackie Robinson


Jackie would get fractions for the Monarchs
   579. DavidFoss Posted: November 21, 2005 at 04:47 PM (#1740580)
Jackie would get fractions for the Monarchs

Yeah, the NA/pre-NA guys were a big challenge. NeLers were an even bigger challenge because they often played in both summer & winter leagues. Often it was the shoo-in candidates that were the toughest because there was no need for thorough translations -- in which I'll admit it was sometimes just a season count that I did to arrive at the fractions. The crossover guys were an big challenge, too.

I chose to split Monte Irvin between Newark, Jersey City and MLB because his MLE's were so very well spelled out and I could do a WS fractional split pretty easily. For Campy, I gave him credit for a few years with Bal Elite Giants but none for the gap between there and the Dodgers because he hopped around so much and because I had clipped a bit of his younger play for Baltimore. For Jackie, I just gave him full Dodger credit. His year in Montreal was only to warm up people to the idea of integration and there was the complications of war before that. (I never gave war credit for fractional caps -- figured that was too complicated).

I admit that for these guys it can be a bit arbitrary and not as easily done as the MLB guys where I just simply do the WS weighting. This is a bit of a frivolity and those decimal places are just for tie-breaking purposes and should not in any way imply precision.

I'm open for tweaks, though. If anyone is interested in supplying fractional splits for any of the NeL & crossover guys, I'd be willing to adjust the numbers.
   580. yeager Posted: November 26, 2005 at 06:02 PM (#1747023)
Wes Ferrell – 1964 – P

STATS, Inc. AL Pitcher of the Year (1935). Five-time STATS, Inc. AL Staff Pitcher (1929-32, 1935).

What reference book from Stats, Inc does this information come from?
   581. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 26, 2005 at 06:36 PM (#1747060)
What reference book from Stats, Inc does this information come from?

From the All-Time Baseball Sourcebook, yeager.
   582. Paul Wendt Posted: November 27, 2005 at 01:42 AM (#1747508)
Boston AL

Caps 1
FractCaps 3.207

Fractional Caps Gained
JCollins .479


Maybe that should be .579
I get .55 to .57 by a few different measures.
   583. DavidFoss Posted: November 28, 2005 at 09:16 AM (#1749377)
JCollins .479

Maybe that should be .579
I get .55 to .57 by a few different measures.


Oops... I double-counted 1903-RedSox "26" and single-counted 1906-07 "4". Thanks for catching this:

Here are his corrected numbers:


Jimmy Collins

1895-Lou -- 10-11.8
1895-Bos -- 0-0
1896-Bos -- 11-12.9
1897-Bos -- 26-30.3
1898-Bos -- 34-34
1899-Bos -- 23-23
1900-Bos -- 18-20.1
1901-Bsx -- 28-31.7
1902-Bsx -- 20-22.5
1903-Bsx -- 26-29.0
1904-Bsx -- 28-28
1905-Bsx -- 23-23
1906-Bsx -- 4-4
1907-Bsx -- 4-4
1907-PhA -- 12-12
1908-PhA -- 7-7

Red Sox-142.2.485
Braves-120.3.410
PhA-19.065
Lou-11.8.040

======

So, now I get .515 fractional caps gained for the RedSox for JCollins -- a differnence of .036 from before. I season-length-adjust my numbers which might explain why I don't get as many as 55-57%... assuming there is not another mistake.
   584. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 29, 2005 at 03:43 AM (#1750556)
New plaques are up!

Problem: Frankie Frisch's and Jimmie Foxx's plaques were cut off for some reason (I can fix the other problem ones). Does any one here have those two plaques archived? My files were destroyed when I had computer problems a few months back. Thanks!
   585. yest Posted: November 29, 2005 at 05:12 AM (#1750685)
John thess are the plaques before the end of the summers changes and what I sudgested for those plaques


Frankie Frisch putouts once, assists once, and double plays once
Jimmie Foxx putouts once, and assists 3 times

Jimmie Foxx - 1951 – 1B, 3B, C
14.1 seasons with: Philadelphia (AL) 1925-35; Boston (AL) 1936-42; Chicago (NL) 1942, 1944; Philadelphia (NL) 1945
Cap: Philadelphia Athletics (AL)
Three-time AL MVP (1932-33, 1938). AL Triple Crown (1933). Stats, Inc. AL MVP (1929). Six-time Stats, Inc. AL First Baseman (1929, 1932-33, 1938-39, 1941). Stats, Inc AL Third Baseman (1928). Four-time Win Shares AL MVP (1929, 1932-33, 1938). Three-time Win Shares AL Silver Bat winner (1932-33, 1938). Five-time Win Shares AL Gold Glove winner (1929-30, 1932-33, 1937). Nine-time All-Star (1933-41). One of the greatest power hitters of all-time, “The Beast” hit them as long as anyone has ever hit them (his 534 homers were the most for a right-handed hitter when he retired). Foxx was also a fine contact hitter who was very patient at the plate. A fine-fielding first baseman, “Double X” was surprisingly mobile for a big man and had a great arm. Member of three pennant winners (1931 and the World Champs of 1929 and 1930). AL leader for OBP (1929, 1938-39), SLG (1932-33, 1935, 1938-39), OPS+ (1932-33, 1935, 1938-39), Games (1936), Runs (1932), RBI (1932-33, 1938), BB (1934, 1938), Total Bases (1932-33, 1938), HR (1932-33, 1935, 1939), XBH (1932-33, 1938), Times on Base (1932-33, 1938), Power/Speed Number (1936) and BA (1933, 1938). Retired with the Athletics’ season records (all set in ’32) for OBP (.469), SLG (.749), TB (438), HR (58), Adj. OPS+ (205), XBH (100), Times on Base (329) and RBI (169); as well as the Athletics’ career records for OBP (.440), SLG (.640), HR (302) and Adj. OPS+ (174). He also retired with the Red Sox franchise single-season records (all set in ’38) for (398), HR (50), RBI (175) and XBH (92); as well as the Red Sox career records for HR (222) and RBI (788).

Frankie Frisch - 1944 – 2B/3B
15.1 seasons with: New York (NL) 1919-26; St. Louis (NL) 1927-1937
Cap: St. Louis Cardinals (NL)
NL MVP (1931). Three-time NL All-Star (1933-35). Stats, Inc NL Third Baseman (1921). Four-time Stats, Inc. NL Second Baseman (1930-31, 1933-34). Two-time Win Shares NL Gold Glove winner (1924, 1930). As competitive as any player before or after him, “The Fordham Flash” played with a red hot intensity as a teammate on the Giants and then later the Cardinals’ “Gas House Gang” of the 1930’s. A fine contact hitter that switch hit and rarely struck out, he was also a frenetic base stealer. An outstanding fielder who could play other demanding positions in the infield when called upon, his season second base records for most assists (641) and total chances (1,059) in ’27 are fitting testaments to his fine glove work. Member of eight pennant winners (1923-24, 1928, 1930 and the World Champions of 1921, 1922, 1931 and 1934). NL leader for Runs (1924), Hits (1923), Total Bases (1923), Singles (1923) and Stolen Bases (1921, 1927, 1931). Retired with the major league career records for career base hits as a switch hitter (2,880).
   586. yest Posted: November 29, 2005 at 05:18 AM (#1750691)
John your missing the end of Bill Foster's plaque

(1931). Southern All-Star (1932). Eastern leader for Wins (1931), Winning % (1931) and Strikeouts (1931). Southern leader for Wins (1932), Winning % (1932) and Strikeouts (1932).
   587. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 29, 2005 at 03:57 PM (#1751150)
Thanks, yest!

As for Foster, that was cached on the Net, so I had that already. Thanks for noticing it, though.
   588. DavidFoss Posted: November 30, 2005 at 04:48 AM (#1752479)
Doby provides yet another cap for the Indians and Slaughter vaults the Cardinals into 7th place.

<u>1965 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2T. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
2T. Indians - 10 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Cardinals - 5 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize, Slaughter)
7T. Dodgers - 5 (Campanella, PWReese, JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
12T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
12T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
14T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
14T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
14T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
14T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
18T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
18T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
18T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
18T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
18T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
18T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   589. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 13, 2005 at 02:14 AM (#1774558)
New plaques are up!
   590. DavidFoss Posted: December 13, 2005 at 03:57 AM (#1774674)
Ted Williams brings that long-awaited second cap to the Red Sox leaving the Browns/Orioles the only one of the sixteen pre-expansion franchises with just a single cap.

Ted made his major league debut on April 20th, 1939 against our second inductee, Red Ruffing. Red struck out Ted in his first two at bats before Ted hit a double off him for his first major league hit. (This was also the only game to feature both Ted Williams and Lou Gehrig in the line-up). A month later, Ted hit a home run off Ruffing which he later would say was the hardest that he ever hit.

Ruffing is the fifth yankee to be inducted, joining four of his teammates in the HOM (of the five yankees only Ruth/Dimaggio were not teammates).

<u>1966 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2T. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
2T. Indians - 10 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Cardinals - 5 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize, Slaughter)
7T. Dodgers - 5 (Campanella, PWReese, JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. Yankees - 5 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruffing, Ruth)
13 .Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
14T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
14T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
14T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
14T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
18T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
18T.Red Sox - 2 (JCollins, TWilliams)
18T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
18T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
18T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
18T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
18T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
27T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
27T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
27T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
27T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
27T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
27T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
27T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
27T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
27T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
27T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
27T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
27T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
27T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   591. yest Posted: December 13, 2005 at 10:28 PM (#1775824)
can you put on Red Ruffing's plaque hit 300 8 times
   592. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 14, 2005 at 02:16 AM (#1776240)
can you put on Red Ruffing's plaque hit 300 8 times

Sure thing, yest. A little more heft to his plaque wouldn't hurt (unlike Ted Williams' plaque :-0)
   593. yest Posted: December 14, 2005 at 03:36 AM (#1776303)
on Bill Fosters plaque it says
Three-time Holway Western All-Star (1925-27). Holway Eastern All-Star (19(1931). Southern All-Star (1932)


Three-time Holway Western All-Star (1925-27). Holway Eastern All-Star (1931). Holway Southern All-Star (1932)
   594. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 14, 2005 at 03:56 AM (#1776329)
Thanks, yest!
   595. yest Posted: December 19, 2005 at 06:36 AM (#1783858)
on Cap Anson's plaque
A fine fielder, he led all first basemen in his league 4 times in putouts, 8 times in assists, and 5 times in double plays; he also led third basemen twice in double plays and both assists and putouts once, plus once in OF double plays.

It was 3rd base putouts twice
   596. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 19, 2005 at 03:55 PM (#1784105)
It was 3rd base putouts twice

Does that mean he lead in 3B double plays and assists only once? Thanks!
   597. yest Posted: December 19, 2005 at 06:50 PM (#1784510)
it's putouts twice, double plays twice and assists once
   598. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 19, 2005 at 07:26 PM (#1784617)
Thanks, yest.
   599. yest Posted: December 22, 2005 at 05:17 AM (#1789614)
Here are some things I found on Bill Foster on the hall of Fame's web site that might belong on his plaque
WON 26 STRAIGHT IN 1926
HAD 32-3 MARK IN 1927.
was the leading vote-getter and winning pitcher in the inaugural East-West All-Star Game in 1933.(he was in the 34 game also)
   600. yest Posted: December 22, 2005 at 05:19 AM (#1789619)
Here are some things I found on Bill Foster on the hall of Fame's web site that might belong on his plaque
WON 26 STRAIGHT IN 1926
HAD 32-3 MARK IN 1927.
was the leading vote-getter and winning pitcher in the inaugural East-West All-Star Game in 1933.(he was in the 34 game also)

from baseball libery on that game
In 1933 he posted a complete-game victory in the first East-West all-star game, giving up seven hits and seven runs while striking out four.
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