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Monday, August 02, 2004

The Baseball Hall of Merit Plaque Room: Home Page

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John Murphy was the curator of the Plaque Room and creator (with Ryan Wagman’s help) of the plaques. As of 2011 the creator of the plaques is theorioleway.

David Foss is in charge of the franchise cap standings.

Devin McCullen provides the city and state cap standings.

yest helps us out double-checking the plaques for accuracy.

The whole process is overseen by our commissioner and founder Joe Dimino.

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The current roster (246 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position):

Pitchers (66): Pete Alexander+, Kevin Brown+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Roger Clemens+**, Stan Coveleski, David Cone, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Rick Reuschel, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Tom Seaver+**, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*.

Catchers (20): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Mike Piazza+, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe TorreQuincy Trouppe and Deacon White+.

First Basemen (21): Cap Anson+, Jeff Bagwell+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, Rafael Palmeiro, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, and Bill Terry+.

Second Basemen (22): Roberto Alomar+, Ross Barnes+, Craig Biggio+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+.

Third Basemen (19): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken BoyerJimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Eddie Mathews+, John McGraw, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson.

Shortstops (26): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, Barry Larkin+, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+.

Left Fielders (23): Jesse Burkett, Barry Bonds+*, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Rickey Henderson+*, Monte Irvin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+.

Center Fielders (26): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard BrownPete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, George Gore+, Billy Hamilton+Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn.

Right Fielders (22): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Enos Slaughter+, Reggie Smith, Sam Thompson, Larry Walker+, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+.

Designated Hitters (1): Edgar Martinez+

+ first-year candidate honorees (140)

* unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (16)

** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (9)

2012 Franchise Cap Standings
1.   Giants - 19 (Bonds, Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe,
     Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2.   Cubs - 17 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett,
     BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T.  Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn,
     Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T.  Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson,
     Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
3T.  Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller,
     Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T.  Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick,
     Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
6T.  Athletics - 12 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Henderson, McGwire, Plank,
     ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8.   Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline,
     Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
9T.  Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts,
     Schmidt, Thompson)
9T.  Reds - 10 (Bench, CJones, Groh, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
9T. Dodgers - 10 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, 
     Vance, Wheat)
12T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
12T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
12T.  Red Sox - 9 (Boggs, Clemens, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, RSmith, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15T. Orioles - 6 (Murray, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
15T. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
17.  Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 4 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw)
18T. Astros - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, JWynn)
18T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
18T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
18T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
18T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
18T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
18T. Montreal Expos - 3 (GCarter, Dawson, Raines)
18T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
26T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
26T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
26T. Blue Jays - 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
26T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
26T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
26T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
26T. Mets - 2 (Cone, Seaver)
26T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
26T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
26T  Rangers - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
26T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
26T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen)
38T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
38T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy)
38T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
38T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
38T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
38T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms)
38T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
38T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
38T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
38T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
38T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
38T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
38T. Mariners - 1 (Martinez)
38T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
38T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
38T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
38T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
38T  Rockies - 1 (Walker)
38T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
2012 Cap Standings by City
1T.  Chicago - 29 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, 
E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, 
Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, 
Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams)
1T.  New York - 29 (Berra, Bresnahan, Cone, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, 
DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, 
Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, 
Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams)
3.   Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton,
Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank,
Roberts, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell)
4T.  Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, 
Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, 
Sewell, Speaker, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young)
4T.  St. Louis - 18 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Frisch, B. Gibson, 
Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, 
Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells)
6.   Boston - 17 (Barnes, Boggs, Clemens, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, 
McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, 
G. Wright, Yastrzemski)
7T.  Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, 
Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, 
Whitaker)
7T.  Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, 
J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner)
9T.  Baltimore - 10 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, 
Murray, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson)
9T.  Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, 
J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
9T.  Cincinnati - 10 (Bench, Groh, Jones, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, 
F. Robinson, Rose, Roush)
12. San Francisco - 7 (Bonds, Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry)
13. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen)
14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire)
16. Los Angeles - 4 (Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, D. Sutton)
17T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T. Houston - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, J. Wynn)
17T. Montreal - 3 (Carter, Dawson, Raines)
17T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
17T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson)
22T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan)
22T. Arlington - 2 (K. Brown, Palmeiro)
221T. N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms)
22T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
22T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield)
22T. Toronto – 2 (Alomar, Stieb)
28T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
28T. Atlanta - 1 (Niekro)
28T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy)
28T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
28T. Denver - 1 (Walker)
28T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
28T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
28T. Louisville – 1 (Browning)
28T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
28T. Seattle – 1 (Martinez)

* Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city.

2012 Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no 
knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital:
1.   New York (42)
2.   Pennsylvania (33)
3T.  Illinois (28)
3T.  Ohio (28)
5.   Missouri (23)
6.   California (20)
7.   Massachusetts (17)
8.   Michigan (13)
9.   Maryland (10)
10.  Wisconsin (6)
11.  Texas (5)
12T. Minnesota (3)
12T. Quebec (3)
12T. District of Columbia (3)
15T. Cuba (2)
15T. New Jersey (2)
15T. Rhode Island (2)
15T. Georgia (2)
15T. Indiana (2)
15T. Kentucky (2)
15T. Ontario (2)
22T. Colorado (1)
22T. Oregon (1)



Note all mentions of Win Shares on plaques are adjusted to 162 games.

All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP).

Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type.

Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque.

Here are the plaques of the most recent inductees:


Barry Bonds - 2013 - LF
18.8 seasons with Pittsburgh (NL) 1986-1992; San Francisco (NL) 1993-2007
Cap: San Francisco Giants (NL)
Like his godfather Willie Mays, Barry Bonds’ impact on baseball left many in awe. Widely considered as one of the best players of all-time, he was unanimously placed first on every Hall of Merit ballot in his first year of consideration. A great all-around player early in his career who evolved into the most intimidating hitter ever (he has each of the top three and six of the top ten seasons of accumulated intentional walks), Bonds’ name is everywhere in the record books. He led the league in Runs (1992), HR (1993 and 2001, when he established a new single-season record 73), RBI (1993) BB (1992, 1994-1997, 2000-2004, 2006-2007), IBB (1992-1998, 2002-2004, 2006-2007), TB (1993), BA (2002, 2004), OBP (1991-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, 2006-2007, with 2004’s .609 and 2002’s .582 being the top two seasonal OBPs in baseball history) SLG (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004, which includes the MLB record of .863, set in 2001), OPS (1990-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, including the top two marks in history in 2004’s 1.422 and 2002’s 1.381), and OPS+ (1990-1993, 2000-2004, including the top three marks in MLB history, in 2002’s 268, 2004’s 263, and 2001’s 259). His 2004 season was also noteworthy in that he became the first player to have a season with more times on base than at bats (376 vs. 373). Bonds’ individual season dominance added up, as at the time of his induction he ranked in the top ten all-time in PA (9th – 12,606), Runs (3rd – 2,207), TB (4th – 5,796), HR (1st – 762), RBI (4th – 1,996), BB (1st – 2,558), IBB (1st – 688), XBH (2nd – 1,440), AB/HR (3rd – 12.9), times on-base (2nd – 5,599), OBP (6th - .444), SLG (6th - .607), OPS (4th – 1.051), and OPS+ (3rd – 182). Bonds is also the only player in the history of the game to reach the 500 marks in both career HR and career SB. He played on six division winning teams (1990-1992 with Pittsburgh and 1997, 2000, 2003 with San Francisco) and with the wild-card winning Giants in 2002 submitted a World Series performance for the ages, hitting .471/.700/1.294 with 4 HR in a losing effort. He holds the all-time Giants records in BB (1,947), IBB (575) OBP (.447), SLG (.666), OPS (1.143), and OPS+ (199). Fourteen-time All-Star (1990, 1992-1998, 2000-2004, 2007) who won 12 Silver Slugger awards (1990-1994, 1996-1997, 2000-2004), eight Gold Gloves (1990-1994, 1996-1998), and a record seven MVP awards (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004).

Roger Clemens - 2013 - P
Boston (AL) 1984-1996; Toronto (AL) 1997-1998; New York (AL) 1999-2003, 2007; Houston (NL) 2004-2006
Cap: Boston Red Sox (AL)
Known as the Rocket for his fiery temperament and overpowering fastball, Roger Clemens is considered by many as the best post-WWII pitcher—if not the best in all of baseball history. A workhorse pitcher who twice struck out 20 batters in a game, Clemens dominated the pitching landscape during his career. He led the league in wins (1986-1987, 1997-1998), winning percentage (1986, 2001, 2004), CG (1987-1988, 1997), SHO (1987-1988, 1990-1992, 1997), IP (1991, 1997), SO (1988, 1991, 1996-1998), ERA (1986, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2005), WHIP (1986, 1992, 1997), ERA+ (1986, 1990-1992, 1994, 1997-1998, 2005), H/9 (1986, 1994, 1998, 2005), SO/9 (1988, 1996, 1998), and SO/BB (1987-1988, 1990, 1992). Clemens was on two World Series winning teams (1999 and 2000 with the Yankees) along with seven other division winners (1986, 1988, 1990, 1995 with Boston and 2001-2003 with New York) and three wild-card winners (2004-2005 with Houston and 2007 with New York). Clemens’ 199 postseason innings are the fourth most all-time and his 173 strikeouts rank third all-time at the time of his induction. In his eight World Series starts, he went 3-0 with a 2.37 ERA and 49 strikeouts. For his career, Clemens ended up with the 9th most wins (354), 16th most innings pitched (4,916.2), third in strikeouts (4,672), seventh in games started (707), and tenth in ERA+ (143). All-time Red Sox leader in wins (192), SO (2,590), and SHO (38). Eleven-time All-Star (1986, 1988, 1990-1992, 1997-1998, 2001, 2003-2005) who won seven Cy Young awards (1986-1987, 1991, 1997-1998, 2001, 2004) and an MVP award (1986).

Mike Piazza - 2013 - C
12.2 seasons with Los Angeles (NL) 1992-1998; Florida (NL) 1998; New York (NL) 1998-2005; San Diego (NL) 2006; Oakland (AL) 2007
Cap: Los Angeles Dodgers (NL)
Considered by many to be the best-hitting catcher in Major League history, Mike Piazza hit like a first baseman while playing the most demanding position on the field. A 62nd round draft pick in 1988, Piazza made all the other teams look like fools for not drafting him in 1993 as he won the Rookie of the Year award by hitting .318/.370/.561 (153 OPS+) with 35 HR and 112 RBI. That rookie season announced Piazza as a force to be reckoned with for a long time, as it was his first of ten seasons wherein he would put up an OPS+ of 135 or better, leading the league in both 1995 (172) and 1997 (185). By the time Piazza retired, he held the record for the most HR (427, 396 while playing catcher) and highest slugging percentage (.545) for a catcher. Piazza hit .412/.545/.941 in the NLCS against the St. Louis Cardinals to help the 2000 wild-card winner New York Mets reach the World Series, and was also on two division winners (1995 Dodgers and 2006 Padres) and two other wild-card winners (1996 Dodgers and 1999 Mets). Twelve-time All-Star (1993-2002, 2004-2005) who won ten consecutive Silver Slugger awards (1993-2002). Has the highest career OPS+ in Dodgers history (160) and highest career SLG in Mets history (.542).

Craig Biggio - 2013 - 2B/C/CF
18.0 seasons with Houston (NL) 1988-2007
Cap: Houston Astros (NL)
A gritty player known for doing whatever it took to help the team, from getting hit by pitches (he led the league five times and has the second-most all-time with 285) to changing positions (he moved from C to 2B to CF to LF back to 2B over his long career), Craig Biggio’s impact on the field was undeniable. In 1992 the Astros moved Biggio from C to 2B in an effort to maximize his odds of being able to play every day and the gamble worked out as he quickly became the best 2B in the National League, a position he would hold throughout the 1990s. A sparkplug at the top of the lineup (one of only eight players with both 3,000 hits and 400 stolen bases), Biggio led the league in games played three times (1992, 1996-1997), PA five times (1992, 1995, 1997-1999), Runs twice (1995, 1997), 2B three times (1994, 1998, 1999) and SB once (1994). An integral member of the “Killer Bs” along with long-time teammate Jeff Bagwell, Biggio spent his entire career with the Astros and was part of four division winners (1997-1999, 2001) and two wild-card winners (2004-2005) making the World Series in 2005 (the first Houston team to win a pennant). At his induction, Biggio ranked in the top 25 all-time in G (16th—2,850), PA (10th—12,504), R (15th—1,844), H (21st—3,060), 2B (5th—668) and times on base (18th—4,505). Seven-time All-Star (1991-1992, 1994-1998) who won five Silver Slugger awards (1989, 1994-1995, 1997-1998) and four Gold Gloves (1994-1997). He holds the franchise record for most G, PA, R, H, TB (4,711), 2B, XBH (1,014), HBP, and times on base.

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   801. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:21 PM (#2111756)
Joe Cronin
hit 302/390 with 2285 hits
100 rbis 8 times
led in fielding % twice


I included everything except the hits.
   802. Dizzypaco Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:29 PM (#2111764)
An extremely versatile player, he starred at multiple positions throughout his career.
I thought that was because of his lack of versatiley


This time out I agree with Yest. I would definitely not describe Killebrew as the type of player who starred at multiple positions. It much closer to say that he was a great hitter who also played a couple of different positions.

I think the jury is out on how good Killebrew was defensively. My instinct is that he was okay at first, and not okay at the other positions he played, although that's probably biased by strat-o-matic cards I played with growing up. Still, unless there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I do not believe he could have adequately played second or third for most or all of his career. "Starring at muliple positions" strongly implies that he could have been a near gold glover at those positions, and I don't think that's accurate.
   803. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 25, 2006 at 08:38 PM (#2111771)
"Starring at muliple positions" strongly implies that he could have been a near gold glover at those positions, and I don't think that's accurate.

I think anyone reading all of the plaques can read between the lines and figure out that his defense wasn't his strong suit, but how about this:

A versatile player, he helped his team out when needed at multiple positions throughout his career without complaining about it.
   804. yest Posted: July 25, 2006 at 10:46 PM (#2111870)
A versatile player, he helped his team out when needed at multiple positions throughout his career without complaining about it.
I like it better

Buck Ewing
hit 300 10 times
led in fielding % once
   805. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 26, 2006 at 05:57 PM (#2113238)
Buck Ewing
hit 300 10 times
led in fielding % once


Okay, yest.
   806. yest Posted: July 26, 2006 at 07:34 PM (#2113495)
Bobby Doerr
hit 409/458/591 in the 1946 WS
held the AL record for 414 chances without an error
five times in fielding percentage
I have 4 1942-43, 1946, and 1950 (from Total Baseball and Retrosheet)
   807. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 29, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2116967)
yest:

I did everything except:

held the AL record for 414 chances without an error

Did he have that record at the time of his retirement?
   808. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 30, 2006 at 01:10 AM (#2117449)
I made minor changes to two caps:

Joe Jackson: from Cleveland Indians to Cleveland Naps

Clark Griffith: from Chicago Cubs to Chicago Colts
   809. yest Posted: July 30, 2006 at 02:51 AM (#2117493)
held the AL record for 414 chances without an error

Did he have that record at the time of his retirement?

I got that on his HoF plaque and could only find this on the subject

....With the Cubs in 1962, Kenny Hubbs was a twenty-year-old sensation on an old ninth-place team. He was in the starting lineup on opening day. On June 12 he made an error. He didn't make another one until 78 games later. First he broke the 56-game National League second-base record set by Red Schoendienst, and then he broke the 73-game major league record set by Bobby Doerr. Doerr also held the record of 414 consecutive chances without an error. Hubbs broke that too, handling 418 chances in a row before throwing away a routine grounder on September 5.
   810. yest Posted: July 30, 2006 at 02:57 AM (#2117498)
Pud Galvin
retired with the career record for assists 1404
   811. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: July 31, 2006 at 10:07 AM (#2119332)
I don't like the 'not complaining about it' at the end. I would take that off.
   812. yest Posted: July 31, 2006 at 11:41 AM (#2119351)
John I also found this on baseball libary

» July 13, 1943: The AL edges the NL 5-3 at Shibe Park in the first All-Star Game played under the lights. Bobby Doerr of the Red Sox is the hitting hero with a 3-run HR off Mort Cooper in the second inning. Vince DiMaggio of the Pirates has a single, triple and HR in three trips. Doerr also handled six fielding chances. At the All-Star break he had handled 307 errorless chances, dating back to May 20th. His AL streak will end at 349 chances, a record he will break in 1948.
   813. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 31, 2006 at 05:56 PM (#2119784)
I don't like the 'not complaining about it' at the end. I would take that off.

My last change :-) in regard to the Killebrew plaque (unless to correct a data error):

A versatile player, he helped his team out when needed at multiple positions throughout his career without any reservations.

Took care of the Doerr and Galvin plaques, yest.
   814. yest Posted: July 31, 2006 at 06:47 PM (#2119854)
HR Baker
led in total chances 7 times (I saw 8 in an article but counted 7 in 1909-10 1912-14 1917-18 )
retired with the AL record for the most putouts in a season 233 in 1913 (broken by Kamm in 1927 and 28 currently 3rd)
led in fielding % 3 times according to retrosheet and twice according to Total Baseball (1912 is up for dispute with Total Baseball giving it to Terry Turner who had 951 fielding % in 345 chances and 103 games while HR Baker had a 942 fielding % in 572 chances and 149 games)


Santo led the NL in total chances 8 times
I saw in a few articles on him he led 9 times

Were you able to count them?

I just counted them and they were 8 from 1961-68
   815. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 08, 2006 at 12:05 AM (#2130757)
New plaques are up!

I don't know when I'll get to those changes, yest. I'm taking a real estate course this month and time is very limited.
   816. DavidFoss Posted: August 08, 2006 at 01:39 AM (#2130852)
Braves & Reds each get a cap. Its the least we can do for making them play in the Western division despite being further east than Chicago or Saint Louis.

<u>1982 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1T. Cubs - 13 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard)
1T. Giants - 13 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Indians - 12 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 10 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5. Yankees - 9 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T. Cardinals - 8 (Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Slaughter)
6T. Dodgers - 8 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, Vance, Wheat)
6T. Tigers - 8 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
9. Phillies - 7 (Alexander, Ashburn, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Thompson)
10T.Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
10T.Pirates - 6 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T.White Sox - 6 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
13T.Reds - 4 (Groh, McPhee, Rixey, FRobinson)
13T.Twins - 4 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
16T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
16T.Red Sox - 3 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
21T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
21T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
21T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
21T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
21T.Kansas City Monarchs - 2 (WBrown, Rogan)
21T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
21T.Orioles - 2 (Sisler, Wallace)
21T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   817. rawagman Posted: August 09, 2006 at 09:24 AM (#2133111)
the Orioles’ single-season record for (49 in 1966)


I assume you meant to write: "the Orioles' single-season record for HR (49 in 1966)"
   818. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 09, 2006 at 11:34 AM (#2133117)
I assume you meant to write: "the Orioles' single-season record for HR (49 in 1966)"

Oops! I'll change that now before I run out to class. Thanks!
   819. Chris Fluit Posted: August 09, 2006 at 03:38 PM (#2133334)
Looks like the Tigers missed their chance for a complete team when we passed on George Kell.
   820. Paul Wendt Posted: August 09, 2006 at 04:20 PM (#2133387)
.
> Losing three digits from your hand may be viewed as a negative by the vast majority of us,
> but Mordecai “Three Finger” Brown would definitely disagree.</i>

to info on Cindy Thompson, Three Finger, new book biography
2006-08-09: "for those of you who have been waiting, Three Finger: The Mordecai Brown Story is now available." -CT
   821. Paul Wendt Posted: August 09, 2006 at 04:35 PM (#2133419)
There is too much junk at University of Nebraska Press for me to view the cover image now.
As I recall, it is Mordecai's three-finger grip based on a contemporary image.
   822. DavidFoss Posted: August 09, 2006 at 04:41 PM (#2133433)
I was able to get here:

U of N Press page on the book

From there, one can click on the image to enlarge.

Its a pretty cool cover.
   823. Paul Wendt Posted: August 09, 2006 at 04:43 PM (#2133438)
A versatile player, he helped his team out when needed at multiple positions throughout his career without complaining about it.
(once playing third and first when only eight men showed up at the park)

He once achieved "the split", fielding a bunt toward the hot corner while planting a toe on the initial sack.
   824. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 22, 2006 at 12:08 AM (#2151094)
New plaques are up!
   825. DavidFoss Posted: August 22, 2006 at 02:30 AM (#2151352)
Caps for Dick Allen & Billy Williams. Cubs have the cap lead to themselves now. No ties in the top five now and a gap separates the top nine franchises from the rest of the field.

<u>1983 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1 . Cubs - 14 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
2. Giants - 13 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
3. Indians - 12 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 10 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5. Yankees - 9 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T. Cardinals - 8 (Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Slaughter)
6T. Dodgers - 8 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, Vance, Wheat)
6T. Phillies - 8 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Thompson)
6T. Tigers - 8 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
10T.Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
10T.Pirates - 6 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T.White Sox - 6 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
13T.Reds - 4 (Groh, McPhee, Rixey, FRobinson)
13T.Twins - 4 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
16T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
16T.Red Sox - 3 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
21T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
21T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
21T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
21T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
21T.Kansas City Monarchs - 2 (WBrown, Rogan)
21T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
21T.Orioles - 2 (Sisler, Wallace)
21T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   826. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 01, 2006 at 12:55 PM (#2164456)
Since I finished my real estate course Wednesday, I have time to go over some past posts now.

Paul, I updated TF Brown's plaque. Thanks for spotting that.

Yest, I did everything from post# 895, except:

led in fielding % 3 times according to retrosheet and twice according to Total Baseball (1912 is up for dispute with Total Baseball giving it to Terry Turner who had 951 fielding % in 345 chances and 103 games while HR Baker had a 942 fielding % in 572 chances and 149 games)

I don't know which one to pick.

Were you able to count them?
I just counted them and they were 8 from 1961-68


So Santo only had those 8 years leading in total chances?
   827. yest Posted: September 01, 2006 at 03:57 PM (#2164676)
Were you able to count them?
I just counted them and they were 8 from 1961-68

So Santo only had those 8 years leading in total chances?

yes

Charlie Gehringer
Excellent hands and range helped him achieve the league lead in fielding percentage nine times
I have 7 1929-30, 1935-37, 1939, and 1941 (from Total Baseball and Retrosheet)
A solid offensive player, the left-handed Gehringer had good power and patience at the plate for a player at his position. As a base stealer, he was a fine percentage player for his era.
A solid offensive player (hit 320/404 with 2839 hits hitting 300 13 times), the left-handed Gehringer had good power (40 doubles 7 times) and patience at the plate (1186 walks) for a player at his position. As a base stealer, he was a fine percentage player for his era(181 steals with a 67% success rate.)
Member of three pennant winners (1934, 1940 and the World Champs of 1935)
Member of three pennant winners (1934 (hitting 379/438/517), 1940 and the World Champs of 1935 (hitting 375/423/500))
and most career BB (10, 237).
there’s a space in between the comma and the 2
   828. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 01, 2006 at 05:39 PM (#2164796)
Took care of Gehringer, yest, except:

the left-handed Gehringer had good power (40 doubles 7 times)

I mentioned that he had the AL record for career homers for a second baseman instead. I also left out the SB info.
   829. yest Posted: September 01, 2006 at 05:51 PM (#2164806)
Roger Hornsby
2930 hits
retired for the NL single season record for Total Bases 450 in 1922
retired for the NL single season record for run created 206 in 1922
retired for the NL single season record for slugging% 7560 in 1925
retired for the NL career record for slugging% .5783
hit 402 from 1921-25
retired with the career record for highest obp by a righty 4337
retired for the NL single season record for most hits by a righty in a season 250 in 1922
Retired with numerous records including the major league second base career records for HR (264)
Retired with numerous records including the major league second base career records for HR (264 (301 total))
   830. DavidFoss Posted: September 01, 2006 at 07:46 PM (#2164934)
Rajah's plaque isn't meaty enough? He's 3rd all-time in black ink behind Ruth & Cobb. Simply an ocean of possible information for that plaque, especially considering that Ruth & Cobb were both in the other league.
   831. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 01, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#2164975)
Rajah's plaque isn't meaty enough?

I agree with your sentiment, David. Hornsby, Ruth, Gehrig, etc. just can't have every record attached to their plaques. Besides, they don't need them like many of the others (where padding can't hurt). Anybody reviewing the no-brainers' plaques has to know that they were stars of the first magnitude. With that said, I doubt that I will add anything else to Hornsby's plaque.
   832. rawagman Posted: September 01, 2006 at 08:52 PM (#2164999)
I wouldn't mind that mark of a four season average of .402 going up. That's very impressive.
   833. DavidFoss Posted: September 01, 2006 at 10:35 PM (#2165052)
That's five seasons. :-)

I got nothing against more info on the Rajah plaque. There's a lot that could go up, though, so look at all of it. For example, he won six consective 'Sabermetric Triple Crowns' (avg/obp/slg) from 1920-25 and tacked on a seventh in 1928.

"Perenially led the National League in most offensive statisics". :-)
   834. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 06, 2006 at 12:14 AM (#2168552)
New plaques are up!
   835. DavidFoss Posted: September 06, 2006 at 04:12 AM (#2168868)
Joe Torre gives the Braves their 11th cap while the Brooks Robinson helps the O's become the last of 'The Sixteen' franchises to get their third cap. Both franchises were among the first four division title winners when the leagues were partitioned in 1969.

The Orioles are now tied with their namesake NL franchise. The NL-Orioles, their syndicate sister in Brooklyn and the Braves franchise (as the Beaneaters) won every NL pennant between 1891-1900.


<u>1984 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1 . Cubs - 14 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
2. Giants - 13 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
3. Indians - 12 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 11 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, GWright)
5. Yankees - 9 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
6T. Cardinals - 8 (Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Slaughter)
6T. Dodgers - 8 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, Vance, Wheat)
6T. Phillies - 8 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Thompson)
6T. Tigers - 8 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
10T.Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
10T.Pirates - 6 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T.White Sox - 6 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
13T.Reds - 4 (Groh, McPhee, Rixey, FRobinson)
13T.Twins - 4 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
16T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
16T.Orioles - 3 (BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
16T.Red Sox - 3 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
22T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
22T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
22T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
22T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
22T.Kansas City Monarchs - 2 (WBrown, Rogan)
22T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
22T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   836. Chris Fluit Posted: September 06, 2006 at 05:55 AM (#2168927)
I was just wondering how long it will take 'The Sixteen' exclusive franchises of MLB 1901-1960 to distance themselves from the rest of the pack. The highest capped team that isn't a part of 'The Sixteen' is the Buffalo Bisons, currently tied at 13 with 4 caps. The Reds and the Twins need 1 cap each to pass Buffalo by. While the trailing franchises of the Red Sox and the Orioles need 1 to break free from a handful of Negro League franchises and a second one to pass the Bisons.

The Reds won't have much of a problem pulling away. We'll start electing them in bunches with Bench in '89 and Morgan in '90, followed by Rose in '92 or '93 depending on boycotts.

The Twins only need the one cap but they might be hard-pressed to get it for a while. Jim Kaat looks to be their best shot but he shows up in a pretty stacked year ('89) and may have to wait a bit before he gets in.

The Red Sox and Orioles will both pick up pretty easy fourth caps in 1989 and 1990 with Carl Yastrzemski and Jim Palmer. The Red Sox have a couple of shots at that second cap- Luis Tiant in '88, Jim Rice in '95, Fred Lynn in '96- but none of those candidates is the shoo-in of a Yaz. However, they won't have to wait forever. Well, not unless the powers that be decide to give Fisk a White cap instead of a Red one when he's inducted in '99 or 2000.

As for the Orioles: after Palmer, there's one dark horse candidate in Ken Singleton (1990). But other than that, they'll have to wait until 2003 when Eddie Murray becomes eligible.
   837. DavidFoss Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:11 PM (#2169035)
The Twins only need the one cap but they might be hard-pressed to get it for a while. Jim Kaat looks to be their best shot but he shows up in a pretty stacked year ('89) and may have to wait a bit before he gets in.

I don't think Kaat makes it. Carew (c. 1991) and Blyleven ('98) are pretty likely though.
   838. Chris Fluit Posted: September 06, 2006 at 06:16 PM (#2169376)
Thanks, David. I forgot about Carew. I always think of him as an Angel because that's the team he was playing for when I first started following baseball. But you're right that if he goes in (which seems fairly likely), it should be with a Twins hat.
   839. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 19, 2006 at 12:11 AM (#2181157)
New plaques are up!
   840. DavidFoss Posted: September 19, 2006 at 04:25 AM (#2181602)
<u>1985 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1 . Cubs - 14 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
2T. Giants - 13 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 11 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, GWright)
5T. Tigers - 9 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
5T. Yankees - 9 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
7T. Cardinals - 8 (Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Slaughter)
7T. Dodgers - 8 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, Vance, Wheat)
7T. Phillies - 8 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Thompson)
10T.Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
10T.Pirates - 6 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
10T.White Sox - 6 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
13T.Reds - 4 (Groh, McPhee, Rixey, FRobinson)
13T.Twins - 4 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
16T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
16T.Orioles - 3 (BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
16T.Red Sox - 3 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
22T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
22T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
22T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
22T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
22T.Kansas City Monarchs - 2 (WBrown, Rogan)
22T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
22T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   841. rawagman Posted: September 19, 2006 at 10:22 AM (#2181744)
John - Freehan's GGs were AL, right? Not NL.
   842. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 19, 2006 at 11:28 AM (#2181755)
John - Freehan's GGs were AL, right? Not NL.

It's corrected. Thanks, rawagman!
   843. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 19, 2006 at 11:29 AM (#2181756)
Looks like the Giants will tie the Cubs in caps in 86 when McCovey goes in.
   844. rawagman Posted: September 19, 2006 at 08:24 PM (#2182173)
John - sorry - there's a few more NL references in Freehan's plaque.
   845. Evan Posted: September 19, 2006 at 09:07 PM (#2182197)
The Giants will probably pull ahead with Gaylord Perry, the Cubs will even it up with Fergie Jenkins, then the Giants will pull ahead again with Darrell Evans and the Cubs will even it out with Ryne Sandberg.

This could go on for a while.
   846. DL from MN Posted: September 19, 2006 at 10:05 PM (#2182257)
I think it's kind of funny that the Cubs lead without Tinker, Evers or Chance.
   847. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 20, 2006 at 12:30 PM (#2182835)
John - sorry - there's a few more NL references in Freehan's plaque.

I need separate league templates...
   848. Rick A. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:48 AM (#2184662)
John,

Sorry, but rawagman just reminded me that I also saw a few AL references in Mel Ott's plaque a few months ago.
   849. yest Posted: September 22, 2006 at 04:50 AM (#2184777)
WHAT DID YOU DECIDE ON hORNSBY
   850. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 22, 2006 at 03:53 PM (#2185021)
WHAT DID YOU DECIDE ON hORNSBY

Why are you screaming at me, yest?

I thought we decided that his plaque is humongous as it is. Anything else is just overkill.

Sorry, but rawagman just reminded me that I also saw a few AL references in Mel Ott's plaque a few months ago.

Thanks, Rick. I'll get right on it.
   851. yest Posted: September 22, 2006 at 06:18 PM (#2185180)
hit the caplocks by mistake


Hank Greenberg
331 HRs hit 313/412/605
retired with the AL career record for RBIs per game .947
led in fielding % once at 1st base
   852. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 22, 2006 at 06:44 PM (#2185204)
hit the caplocks by mistake

That's what I thought. I knew Rogers Hornsby wouldn't get you that worked up. :-)

Hank Greenberg
331 HRs hit 313/412/605
retired with the AL career record for RBIs per game .947
led in fielding % once at 1st base


I included everything but the homers (I do have his Tiger team career record, though).
   853. Brent Posted: September 23, 2006 at 04:47 AM (#2185726)
Here are a few thoughts for your consideration for the José Méndez plaque:

- I'd probably list shortstop as his secondary position - I've seen more references to him playing shortstop than third base (though I know he played some at 3B too). (For example, Riley says he played shortstop after 1916 and continued to play some shortstop when he returned to pitching; Gary A provides his range factor at shortstop in the Dobie Moore thread--his range was excellent (as was Moore's).
- To fill in his other Cuban League teams, add Santa Clara (1923-25), Habana (1925-26), and Alacranes (1926-27).
- He was the all-time Cuban League career leader in winning percentage -- Figueredo gives his record as 76-28 (.731).
- Holds the Cuban League record for most seasons leading the league with an undefeated record (3 times - 1908; 1910; and 1913-14).
- Tied the Cuban League record for most seasons leading the league in winning percentage (5) -- the 3 seasons above plus 1908-09 and 1910-11.
- Famous for pitching 25 consecutive shutout innings against Cincinnati in November/December 1908. (See Mendez thread) # 70.
- Playing manager for Kansas City Monarchs.
- According to the HOF's statistics, from 1920-26 he went 27-12 in NNL play with a 2.70 ERA.
- In the 1924 NLWS, with the series tied 4-4 he pitched a 3-hit shutout in the final, deciding game.
   854. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 23, 2006 at 05:51 PM (#2186031)
Thanks, Brent. The NeL guys are the ones that need to have their plaques scrutinized the most, not to mention "puffed up" more because they don't have the statistical advantage that the major league inductees have.

- I'd probably list shortstop as his secondary position - I've seen more references to him playing shortstop than third base (though I know he played some at 3B too). (For example, Riley says he played shortstop after 1916 and continued to play some shortstop when he returned to pitching; Gary A provides his range factor at shortstop in the Dobie Moore thread--his range was excellent (as was Moore's).

I agree with you, so that has been added. I also mention his fielding prowess now.

- To fill in his other Cuban League teams, add Santa Clara (1923-25), Habana (1925-26), and Alacranes (1926-27).

Added.

- He was the all-time Cuban League career leader in winning percentage -- Figueredo gives his record as 76-28 (.731).

That has been amended.

- In the 1924 NLWS, with the series tied 4-4 he pitched a 3-hit shutout in the final, deciding game.

That definitely belongs.

- Famous for pitching 25 consecutive shutout innings against Cincinnati in November/December 1908. (See Mendez thread) # 70.
- Playing manager for Kansas City Monarchs.
- According to the HOF's statistics, from 1920-26 he went 27-12 in NNL play with a 2.70 ERA.


I don't include player-managing on plaques, since we only evaluate on-field play.

As for the other facts, they're interesting, but not truly standout (was the scoreless stretch a record? If so, I would add it then). I'm not particularly bound by this, however.

- Holds the Cuban League record for most seasons leading the league with an undefeated record (3 times - 1908; 1910; and 1913-14).
- Tied the Cuban League record for most seasons leading the league in winning percentage (5) -- the 3 seasons above plus 1908-09 and 1910-11.


Did Mendez play those seasons from the end of one year to the beginning of the next (IOW, 1908-09 as his first season, for example)? I'm a little confused by the dates above (the info is great and will eventually be posted, BTW). If you could elaborate further in regard to the dates, I would greatly appreciate it, Brent.

Thanks again!
   855. Brent Posted: September 23, 2006 at 08:19 PM (#2186123)
Did Mendez play those seasons from the end of one year to the beginning of the next (IOW, 1908-09 as his first season, for example)? I'm a little confused by the dates above (the info is great and will eventually be posted, BTW). If you could elaborate further in regard to the dates, I would greatly appreciate it

I'm sorry; I know the dating is confusing. All of these Cuban League seasons were during the winter. In 1908 the season ran from January 1 to March 16, and in 1910 it lasted from February 6 to April 3; thus Figueredo dates them as 1908 and 1910. But to make them consistent with the other seasons (which usually started in December), you could refer to them as 1907-08 and 1909-10. I think that would be unambiguous as to which season is being described and consistent with the conventions for the other seasons.
   856. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 23, 2006 at 11:04 PM (#2186206)
Thanks for the explanation, Brent. I didn't realize that the Cuban League was set up that way for those seasons.

I amended the plaque with your additions. Once again, thank you!
   857. Howie Menckel Posted: September 23, 2006 at 11:18 PM (#2186214)
I place Mendez on my lists for 1908-15 and 1918-24.
Basically, it's the equivalent of pitching at least 10 G in the top league available to the guy (or NL, AL, AA, PL, UA accepted in all cases). He gets an asterisk if he didn't pitch the equivalent of 154 IP for a 154-G season. I asterisked 1915 and 1918-22 and 1924.

Would anyone care to refine those? It's a start, and there's no way to be 'perfect,' but improvements are welcomed.
   858. yest Posted: September 25, 2006 at 01:13 AM (#2186758)
the new Greenberg plaque
he left the game with the AL career record for RBI per game witha .947 mark
with a

That's what I thought. I knew Rogers Hornsby wouldn't get you that worked up. :-)
but it does :>)

Thanks, Brent. The NeL guys are the ones that need to have their plaques scrutinized the most, not to mention "puffed up" more because they don't have the statistical advantage that the major league inductees have.

Jud Wilson
according to the HoF had a 507 slugging% for his career
455 batting avg in 3 east west all star games
Satchel Paige named Jud "Boojum" Wilson as one of the two toughest hitters he ever faced, and Josh Gibson considered Wilson the game's best hitter.
Credited with the highest lifetime batting average for a Negro League player with at least 2,000 AB
Credited with the highest lifetime batting average for a Negro League player (in league play) with at least 2,000 AB
   859. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 01, 2006 at 11:34 PM (#2194052)
the new Greenberg plaque
he left the game with the AL career record for RBI per game witha .947 mark
with a


Got it, yest.

Jud Wilson
according to the HoF had a 507 slugging% for his career
455 batting avg in 3 east west all star games


Added.

Satchel Paige named Jud "Boojum" Wilson as one of the two toughest hitters he ever faced, and Josh Gibson considered Wilson the game's best hitter.

I usually don't add testimonials like that. I think I have done it once and that was only because I was having an extremely hard time finding stuff to add.

Credited with the highest lifetime batting average for a Negro League player with at least 2,000 AB
Credited with the highest lifetime batting average for a Negro League player (in league play) with at least 2,000 AB


All Negro League stats that I add are from league play, so there's no reason to add anything else.

Thanks!
   860. Brent Posted: October 02, 2006 at 02:22 AM (#2194153)
Here's a correction for the José Méndez plaque. It reads:

tied that league’s record for consecutive seasons leading in winning percentage with 5 (1908, 1908-09, 1909-10, 1910, and 1910-11),

That should be most seasons (not consecutive seasons), and the seasons should be (1908, 1908-09, 1910, 1910-11, and 1913-14).

Also, the wording isn't quite right; Méndez set the record, which was later tied by José Acosta.

Thanks.
   861. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 02, 2006 at 11:03 AM (#2194327)
Took care of it, Brent. Thanks!
   862. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 03, 2006 at 12:15 AM (#2194999)
New plaques are up!
   863. DavidFoss Posted: October 03, 2006 at 01:13 AM (#2195038)
Giants and Athletics each get a cap thanks to McCovey and Waddell. Giants tie the Cubs for the Franchise lead!

The franchises have met in the World Series four times. Once at their current locations as Bay Area rivals in the Earthquake Series of 1989 and three times in their old NY/PHI locations in 1905, 1911 and 1913. (Hard to belief it would be the other two NY/PHI teams that would end up surviving). The Giants won the first series behind four shutouts (three by Mathewson). Inductee Waddell sat out the series due to an injury obtained roughhousing with a teammate. Then the A's won the next three meetings due to the exemplary play of the early 10s and late 80s dynastic squads.

<u>1986 Franchise Cap Standings</u>

1T. Cubs - 14 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
1T. Giants - 14 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
3. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
4. Braves - 11 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, GWright)
5T. Tigers - 9 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
5T. Yankees - 9 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
7T. Cardinals - 8 (Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Slaughter)
7T. Dodgers - 8 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, Vance, Wheat)
7T. Phillies - 8 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Thompson)
10. Athletics - 7 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons, Waddell)
11T.Pirates - 6 (Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
11T.White Sox - 6 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
13T.Reds - 4 (Groh, McPhee, Rixey, FRobinson)
13T.Twins - 4 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
16T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
16T.Orioles - 3 (BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
16T.Red Sox - 3 (JCollins, Doerr, TWilliams)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
22T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
22T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
22T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
22T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
22T.Kansas City Monarchs - 2 (WBrown, Rogan)
22T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
22T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
29T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
29T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
29T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
29T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
29T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
29T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
29T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
29T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
29T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
29T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
29T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
29T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
29T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
   864. Chris Fluit Posted: October 03, 2006 at 02:53 AM (#2195113)
The Pirates and White Sox both look pretty good to add a 7th cap next year with Kiner and Pierce on the verge of election. That would create an even bigger gap between the top twelve and the trailing foursome of the Reds, Twins, Orioles and Red Sox.
   865. rawagman Posted: October 03, 2006 at 09:48 AM (#2195310)
Oakland (NL) 1976


Shouldn't that read "AL", John?
   866. rawagman Posted: October 03, 2006 at 09:50 AM (#2195311)
Three-time Win Shares NL Silver Slugger Award (1966, 1968-70).


That would be 4 times, right?
   867. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 03, 2006 at 11:11 AM (#2195317)
Thanks, rawagman. Making too many damn mistakes lately...need to triple check before I post.
   868. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 03, 2006 at 11:12 AM (#2195318)
The Pirates and White Sox both look pretty good to add a 7th cap next year with Kiner and Pierce on the verge of election.

The White Sox may receive two caps in '87 if Minoso gets it.
   869. yest Posted: October 03, 2006 at 03:43 PM (#2195564)
Paul Hines
302 batting avg 2134 hits (remember scheduling)
NL Triple Crown (1878)
NL Triple Crown (first one)(1878)
according to some the 1st unassisted triple play 5/8/1878
led in fielding % twice
   870. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 03, 2006 at 09:33 PM (#2196363)
Paul Hines
302 batting avg 2134 hits (remember scheduling)
NL Triple Crown (1878)
NL Triple Crown (first one)(1878)
according to some the 1st unassisted triple play 5/8/1878
led in fielding % twice


Hines' plaque needed some meat on its bones, compared to later ones (Joe was more economical with the bandwith, I guess :-)

I added everything, except the hits. Yes, you're 100% right about the scheduling, but the number of hits is still not sexy enough. However, I did add a few other things to Hines' plaque to give it more heft which I think you'll approve of.
   871. yest Posted: October 04, 2006 at 04:04 AM (#2196984)
Tim Keefe
retired with the career record for strikeouts 2562
record 19 wins in a row in 1888
   872. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 04, 2006 at 12:27 PM (#2197050)
Tim Keefe
retired with the career record for strikeouts 2562
record 19 wins in a row in 1888


I took care of that, yest, plus more to puff up this very early plaque.
   873. yest Posted: October 04, 2006 at 12:33 PM (#2197052)
George Gore
hit 301/386/411 in leagues that were 265/316/361
100 runs 7 times
   874. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 04, 2006 at 07:55 PM (#2197729)
George Gore
hit 301/386/411 in leagues that were 265/316/361
100 runs 7 times


Another early plaque, I've beefed him up.

hit 301/386/411 in leagues that were 265/316/361

I included the BA and the OPS, but left out the SLG. I included his OPS+, though, which says the same thing you were trying to.

Thanks!
   875. jimd Posted: October 04, 2006 at 11:05 PM (#2198358)
Hard to belief it would be the other two NY/PHI teams that would end up surviving.

Attendance records from the 16-team era show:

Boston: The Red Sox, just about always. They were vulnerable during the 1920's, but the Braves were almost as incompetent. Once Yawkey bought the team in 1932, it was no contest.

St.Louis: During the early years, it was usually a Browns' town. 1926 put the tenants of Sportsman's Park ahead of the landlords for good.

Philadephia: In one sense it was practically always the A's. It was bad timing that the Whiz kids arrived just before the moving restraints were removed and the Mack family decided to sell. Then again, the A's were often vulnerable, but the Phillies were often worse, so in another way, indifference may be the keyword.

Chicago: During the 00's, the White Sox often outdrew the Giants as the most popular team in baseball. Chance's Cubs were the other team in town. The Black Sox scandal left a void which the Cubs would then fill. They fell apart post-war when the Sox were ascending. Back and forth.

New York: Giants! Until Ruth. Rickey's Dodgers knocked them to 3rd.

The AL initially took the lead in 4 of the 5 shared cities (though it was still somewhat close in St. Louis). 50 years of stasis allowed plenty of time for generational swings in fan loyalty, though.
   876. yest Posted: October 05, 2006 at 03:02 AM (#2198591)
Yogi Berra
and 1 time in fielding percentage
I have twice 58 and 59 (from Total Baseball and Retrosheet)
20 HRs 10 years in a row (11 total)
   877. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 05, 2006 at 11:47 AM (#2198672)
Yogi Berra
and 1 time in fielding percentage
I have twice 58 and 59 (from Total Baseball and Retrosheet)
20 HRs 10 years in a row (11 total)


I added the fielding percentage amendment, yest, but his plaque doesn't need anything more. Besides, anyone reading it will know that his power was outstanding for a backstop due to his AL home run records.
   878. yest Posted: October 05, 2006 at 12:22 PM (#2198679)
Willie Keeler
341 batting avg with 2932 hits
   879. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:32 AM (#2199858)
Willie Keeler
341 batting avg with 2932 hits


Got it, yest.
   880. yest Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:36 AM (#2200355)
John on Keeler you put 342 instead of 341

Mel Ott
according to some sources retired with the NL record for most rbis 1860 (BB-REF give Cap Anson 1879 NL RBIs)
posted a NL record eight consecutive 100-RBI seasons
posted a NL record eight consecutive 100-RBI seasons (9 total also 9 100 runs seasons)
hit 304/414/533 with 2876 hits
100 walks 10 times
   881. DavidFoss Posted: October 06, 2006 at 02:19 PM (#2200457)
Mel Ott
according to some sources retired with the NL record for most rbis 1860 (BB-REF give Cap Anson 1879 NL RBIs)


So, if Anson had more, then it wasn't the record. Is bb-ref wrong? Did 'some sources' just not include 19th century play? (The 1860 already shows up as a Giants record.)

hit 304/414/533 with 2876 hits

The 414, 533 and 2876 are already in there as Giants records.
   882. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 02:37 PM (#2200469)
So, if Anson had more, then it wasn't the record. Is bb-ref wrong? Did 'some sources' just not include 19th century play? (The 1860 already shows up as a Giants record.)

I agree, David.

hit 304/414/533 with 2876 hits

As David pointed out, except for the BA (which is now included), everything else was mentioned already.
   883. yest Posted: October 06, 2006 at 04:11 PM (#2200543)
So, if Anson had more, then it wasn't the record. Is bb-ref wrong? Did 'some sources' just not include 19th century play? (The 1860 already shows up as a Giants record.)

they included the 19th centuray cause Anson was 2nd They may have had a different way of marking RBI's cause Anson had 1715 rbis

Sam Thompson
hit 331/384/505 in leagues that were 276/343/376
led in fielding% twice
retired with the single season record for rbis 166 in 1887
retired with the career record for At Bats per Home Run 47.12
(including eight 100-plus seasons, not to mention ten seasons of at least 100 runs)
(including eight 100-plus seasons, not to mention ten seasons of at least 100 runs(in 10 full seasons))
   884. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 06:41 PM (#2200736)
Sam Thompson
hit 331/384/505 in leagues that were 276/343/376
led in fielding% twice
retired with the single season record for rbis 166 in 1887
retired with the career record for At Bats per Home Run 47.12
(including eight 100-plus seasons, not to mention ten seasons of at least 100 runs)
(including eight 100-plus seasons, not to mention ten seasons of at least 100 runs(in 10 full seasons))


I did everything except the last thing, yest. If he had played only ten seasons, then maybe that would have been something to add, but he didn't.
   885. DavidFoss Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:15 PM (#2200772)
they included the 19th centuray cause Anson was 2nd They may have had a different way of marking RBI's cause Anson had 1715 rbis

Well, there is probably a cool anecdote about how they found 164 NL RBI for Anson, but I can't seem to find it right now. I'll check my old Total Baseball when I get home. They had a chapter on stuff like the Cobb/Lajoie controversy and I think Pete Alexander lost a win at some point as well (he thought he had passed Mathewson).

The HOF simply leaves the RBI column blank for Anson saying that RBI wasn't an official statistic until 1920. Ha... no help there.

Not really arguing or contesting anything, but these types of historical number changes always pique my curiosity.
   886. yest Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:17 PM (#2200774)
Roger Connor
led in fielding% 4 times all at first
   887. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 07:53 PM (#2200799)
Roger Connor
led in fielding% 4 times all at first


I amended his plaque, yest.
   888. yest Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:03 PM (#2200819)
Hughie Jennings
career record for most putout/game 2.66
hit 311/390
A fine batsman, the right-handed Jennings could hit for average (he owns the 19th Century record at .398 in 1896)
what record
   889. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:16 PM (#2200858)
what record

The shortstop record, yest. Thanks!
   890. yest Posted: October 06, 2006 at 08:36 PM (#2200895)
Christy Mathewson
holds the NL career record for assists 1503
20 wins a NL record 13 times (12 in a row)(at retirment)
1905-NL-Triple Crown and 1908-NL-Triple Crown
   891. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 10, 2006 at 11:27 PM (#2206072)
Boudreau was MVP in 1948, his plaque says '47.

Ay, caramba! I took care of it, Toilet Man.

Christy Mathewson
holds the NL career record for assists 1503
20 wins a NL record 13 times (12 in a row)(at retirment)
1905-NL-Triple Crown and 1908-NL-Triple Crown


His plaque is now amended, yest.
   892. yest Posted: October 10, 2006 at 11:33 PM (#2206079)
Joe McGinnity
retired with the career record for saves 24
habit of playing both games of many a doubleheader
he did it 5 times winning both 3 times
20 wins 8 years in a row
   893. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 11, 2006 at 12:21 AM (#2206135)
Joe McGinnity
retired with the career record for saves 24
habit of playing both games of many a doubleheader
he did it 5 times winning both 3 times
20 wins 8 years in a row


Got it, yest.

If you plan to make his plaque 8000 pages long, this might belong on there. As a footnote.

:-)

If it were Cy Young or Walter Johnson, I would definitely agree, but McGinnity's plaque was a little lacking relatively so I didn't mind.
   894. yest Posted: October 11, 2006 at 03:06 AM (#2206473)
If it were Cy Young or Walter Johnson, I would definitely agree, but McGinnity's plaque was a little lacking relatively so I didn't mind.
how a bought Kid Nichols who also retired with the career record for saves (17)

Kid Nichols
tied for the record for highest fielding% in a season 1000 in 1896
   895. DL from MN Posted: October 11, 2006 at 01:34 PM (#2206726)
Who cares about saves when complete game percentages were so high? Might as well give everyone with a complete game win a save.
   896. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 11, 2006 at 03:36 PM (#2206862)
how a bought Kid Nichols who also retired with the career record for saves (17)

Kid Nichols
tied for the record for highest fielding% in a season 1000 in 1896


I added the saves, but not the other record since so many people share that record. If I could narrow it down by number of games or innings, then I might reconsider.

Who cares about saves when complete game percentages were so high? Might as well give everyone with a complete game win a save.

Good point, DL, but I like to add positive things to a plaque that are not too humongous if I can. Of course, if yest had his way, every record would be posted. :-)
   897. yest Posted: October 11, 2006 at 04:27 PM (#2206938)
yest had his way, every record would be posted. :-)
no just the major ones but I would like to list all the things that are plausable for the plaque so you at least know your options personaly I wouldn't

Ted Lyons
pitched a 21 inning game 5/24/29
   898. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 11, 2006 at 10:42 PM (#2207430)
I assume Appling's Win Shares MVP should be in the AL, not NL (unless WS makes strange allowances for war years?)

No, it's supposed to be AL. :-) What I do when I set up new plaques is pick an old plaque (preferably one with the same position) and type in the new information. Sometimes I forget to change the old league to the new one. :-(

It's fixed now.

John Henry Lloyd is listed playing for Lincoln Giants twice in 1915.

That should have been the Lincoln Stars. When you're typing in 20 teams for some of the NeLers, it can get confusing. :-)

I never really looked at these plaques before, I bet they're full of surprises for us to find. (Just playing...they're very interesting actually.)

No, I took your comment as a good natured one. :-) What I need to do is e-mail the plaques prior to posting them to someone else to proofread them. Another pair of eyes always helps.

Thanks, Toilet Man!
   899. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 11, 2006 at 10:49 PM (#2207442)
Ted Lyons
pitched a 21 inning game 5/24/29


I added it, yest.
   900. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 11, 2006 at 10:51 PM (#2207446)
yest had his way, every record would be posted. :-)
no just the major ones but I would like to list all the things that are plausable for the plaque so you at least know your options personaly I wouldn't


I wasn't serious, yest. As usual, I appreciate your help.
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