Isn't Grace violating the dress code in that picture?

There's speculation Sut and the team have been in conflict for a new seasons now. If so, this may have been the team's "That's it! He's done!" moment.

I'm rooting against both sides, as I can't stand either the Sut/Gracie combo and the D-Backs.

Usually, dress code violations occur in the other direction (too informal). Weird.

Can someone find some sort of violation that would enable the Yankees to fire Sterling? Please?

I know for a fact that neither of them is wearing pants in that picture.

That can't possibly be the reason.

Can it?

Well, Piecoro tells us that Sutton prefers to wear, and on many occasions has worn a suit and tie while on the air for Fox Sports Arizona, while the Diamondbacks organization prefers — actually mandates — the broadcast crew to wear polo shirts featuring the team's logo.

And down we go the slippery slope from the Sebelius decision.

I know for a fact that neither of them is wearing pants in that picture.

For a fact? You may want to keep that information to yourself.

Apparently the differing opinions over what constitutes a professional appearance has been a point of contention between the two sides for most of Sutton's six years in the Arizona booth, and the powers that be finally decided to put their foot down after Sutton made what Piecoro termed as a "veiled reference" to the dress code during the June 20 broadcast. Sutton was nowhere to be found for the June 22 broadcast against the Chicago Cubs, and hasn't been seen or heard from on a broadcast since.

Anyone know just how he referenced this sartorial imbroglio during the broadcast?

Was he literally wearing a veil?

Say what you will of Daron Sutton, but I commend him for taking a stand against the polo shirt. Barring a James Bond physique, polo shirts tend to look horrible on most guys. Almost without fail, they give the illusion of cone-like tits and a gut, even if the wearer has neither.

they give the illusion of cone-like tits and a gut, even if the wearer has neither.

I'm happy to hear this because it means that, perhaps, people will think it's the shirt and not my physique.

Almost without fail, they give the illusion of cone-like tits and a gut

So did the 1998 Yankee rotation.

I always considered the polo a pretty safe look for most guys, svelte, skinny, or portly. I think you've been buying the wrong size.

Will there be an OT-Sartorial micro? I hope so; I can use the help.

Will there be an OT-Sartorial micro?

Yes, moderated by Smitty.

I always considered the polo a pretty safe look for most guys, svelte, skinny, or portly. I think you've been buying the wrong size.

Polo shirts work well on athletic or muscular guys, and are actually OK on beefy/stout fat guys as long as they're not immensely fat. Not a great look for skinny people, and a terrible look for people who aren't really fat, but are out of shape or have soft, doughy physiques. That's where you get the look described in #10 above.

I always considered the polo a pretty safe look for most guys, svelte, skinny, or portly. I think you've been buying the wrong size.

Nonsense. They just don't drape in a flattering way on most guys, regardless of size. Taking your standard size often results in the aforementioned gut/### illusion, while going too big just makes you look dumpy.

There absolutely has to be more to this, because this sounds like complete lunacy. If you can't find a compromise about something like this (e.g. let Sutton wear his suits, but have him wear a D-backs tie or tie pin), then what the hell can you compromise about?

So I'd have to guess this is just a convenient topic covering a much larger set of disagreements. Either that or they're just trying to force him out and any reason will do.

Mike Nolan, when he was coaching the 49ers, wanted to wear a suit. IIRC it took about a year of negotiations before he was granted a one game exemption from the league's "must be in official team ware" policy. I understand the policy, but I don't understand why they're so fussy about this stuff.

Polo shirts work well on athletic or muscular guys, and are actually OK on beefy/stout fat guys as long as they're not immensely fat. Not a great look for skinny people, and a terrible look for people who aren't really fat, but are out of shape or have soft, doughy physiques.

I've been pretty much all of those at various stages of my life, & I hate polo shirts. To be fair, I hate them on principle, not because of the way they make me look or don't. (I hate all pullover shirts, period, except for T-shirts. Always have.)

Pretty much everything I wear is button down. I'll usually wear a polo shirt if I'm playing golf and that is about it.

Almost without fail, they give the illusion of cone-like tits and a gut, even if the wearer has neither.

No, they look like that on fat guys with tits.

What's wrong with a snakeskin suit for a D-backs announcer?

Mike Nolan, when he was coaching the 49ers, wanted to wear a suit. IIRC it took about a year of negotiations before he was granted a one game exemption from the league's "must be in official team ware" policy. I understand the policy, but I don't understand why they're so fussy about this stuff.

Did you guess "money"? Because "money" would be an excellent guess.

Say what you will of Daron Sutton, but I commend him for taking a stand against the polo shirt. Barring a James Bond physique, polo shirts tend to look horrible on most guys. Almost without fail, they give the illusion of cone-like tits and a gut, even if the wearer has neither.

I am a thin guy and I like polo shirts, but they have to be the right fit/material. Also not a big fan of tucking them in.

EDIT: I would note that the first sentence is true of almost any type of clothing - a good fit is more important than the right brand/style etc.

I'm a fat guy, and there's few pieces of clothing I enjoy wearing more than my Fred Perrys.

Also, for the life of me I cannot imagine why anyone would want to wear a suit in Arizona in the summer.

He's in an Air Conditioned room for his telecasts. Not like he's sweating like a pig.

For my one trip to the Bob the temperature outside was 95+. But it was cool in the stadium, and remained pleasant all the way to the end of the game, even though they opened the roof right before first pitch.

So did the 1998 Yankee rotation.

RDF.

Usually, dress code violations occur in the other direction (too informal). Weird.

I looked at that picture, dumbfounded, for several minutes trying to spot the dress code violation before bothering to RTFA.

It all goes back to WWVSD, really. Thank God the Dodgers aren't obsessed with branding.

I hope he's back, personally because they entertain the hell out of me. And I hope it is something silly like this instead of some of the other rumors that "personal issues" instantly springs forth.

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They just don't drape in a flattering way on most guys, regardless of size. Taking your standard size often results in the aforementioned gut/### illusion, while going too big just makes you look dumpy.

I'm blessed to have broad shoulders relative to my frame, and I can testify that this does wonders in diminishing the appearance of my gut, just because a larger shirt looks appropriate instead of like a schleppy attempt to hide my gut. Although I'm not far gone enough to have moobs, thank god.

Edit: just realized that the fine article was posted by spankz, which is priceless given the direction this discussion has gone.

I looked at that picture, dumbfounded, for several minutes trying to spot the dress code violation before bothering to RTFA.

I thought it was obvious. The tie on the right is terrible.

I looked at that picture, dumbfounded, for several minutes trying to spot the dress code violation before bothering to RTFA.

I thought it was deadpan snark and he'd been caught molesting the livestock or something.

How could things get so bad that you can't reach a compromise on something like this?

most adult men do not look "good" in a polo shirt unless they are athletic and i agree with the t!ts n gut comments

most men would look a LOT better if they would wear pants/jeans that fit better and not just wear the same brand/style they did when they were umpty lbs thinner which is NOT flattering any more

most men look much better in suits because most men wear suits that FIT right

and firing an employee who is not actually seen by customers, for wearing a suit, is beyond funny

the almost universal obesity of adult male americans today has caused a sartorial disaster of nuclear proportions. also, the general ugliness of casual wear and the fact that it almost never fits properly. there really is nothing worse looking than a guy in cargo shorts that go below the knee and a large tshirt or polo shirt in some ridiculous color or with logos etc. on it. the original polo shirts that were developed by rene lacoste were meant to be buttoned to the throat and tucked into comfortable slacks. obviously since he was a fit athlete the look was becoming.

but if some slob with a giant gut is going to wear it, yeah, its gonna look bad. but most of the time slobs don't wear anything that's flattering. they're slobs. unfortunately, that describes most men ... they either wear dull beige/tan colors with other dull beige tan colors, or, even worse, if they let their wife pick their clothes, egregious bright colors and patterns that have them resembling a circus tent. and, as i mentioned before, logos plastered everywhere. and running shoes, the ugliest s--t ever invented for human feet.

and don't even get me started on suits. you cannot get a well taiored suit anymore without going into debt.

i highly recommend everyone here visit the sartorialist.com. it's an amazing site, because the guy that runs it knows the difference between style and mere fashion. one of the most interesting things about it is that he takes a lot of pictures of people he sees on the street who have innate fashion sense, or who have hit upon a good personal look, so you get a selection of looks that are well presented, on people of differing age, height, weight, etc. ... they aren't all models.

and don't even get me started on suits. you cannot get a well taiored suit anymore without going into debt.

They aren't the finest of finest but Indochino makes made to measure suits that start at $375 and go up to about $500 or so and they include a $75 tailor allowance. Decent to good suit quality and a good price that fit your body. Can't really beat that 9 times out of 10.

however, he does get a little too into the fashion shows. and the faux bohemians downtown. but its still a cool site.

its also possible to get decent suits in downtown L.A. in the fashion district, probably similar to what mccoy is talking about, if you want to make the effort.

however, he does get a little too into the fashion shows. and the faux bohemians downtown. but its still a cool site.

I was going to say that about THEsartorialist.com but you beat me to it. Most of the stuff skews towards the younger non professional age group and even when someone is wearing a suit it isn't really American workplace appropiate.

I check out that site from time to time but most of that stuff just wouldn't work in my workplace or lifestyle.

its also possible to get decent suits in downtown L.A. in the fashion district, probably similar to what mccoy is talking about, if you want to make the effort.

Indochino is a Canadian company that you can place your orders online. They do have a traveling tailor but they make stops in only Canada I believe. It takes 10 to 15 days to get your suit.

There is also a shirt company that makes made to measure shirts starting at $54. I believe it is called tailor.com or some such thing. The link for it is at home.

Don't you hate clothes???

Hmmm. Learn something new every day.

agree about unfortunately most adults being fat - at least here in houston it's true. Except in the rich people only areas. i would guess that everywhere else, most adults are at LEAST 25 lbs overfat. at LEAST.

phredbird, thank you for hipping me to that. I've bookmarked it for ideas.

Maybe it's a combination of living in NYC and being in my 30s but I am certainly paying a lot more attention to the clothes I wear these days. I'm not the most fashionable man in town, but I do have rules I follow. No pleated pants, ever, no polo shirts, no clothing that displays the logo of the brand I'm wearing, and I almost never wear sneakers anymore.

Sometimes I'm shocked when I go home to the suburbs and see men in pleated khakis, Old Navy tshirts and ugly cross-training sneakers that looked like someone barfed all over them. And almost all of them dress this way every single day, unless they're gay and/or hipster. I may have a strong distaste for hipsters, but at least they have a sense of personal style, even if their style is ripping off the style of other hipsters.

Wear clothes that fit well; invest an hour or two in the dressing room (especially for pants and doubly so for jeans), have a pair of black dress shoes and brown dress shoes, and avoid shirts with logos on them, and you're already dressing better than most men in this country. A black or blue sports coat is an excellent investment, and can worn on any occasion.

I can understand wearing t-shirts of bands and sports teams that you support, but a plain t-shirt that says nothing but OLD NAVY or AMERICAN EAGLE bugs me to no end. Why would you pay a company for the privilege of advertising on your body?

Man, some of you dudes would hate me.

I couldn't possibly care less what other people think about how stylish I look (and from what I reading, the answer is not at all. Which would have been my guess anyway). Nor, for that matter, do I care how anyone else dresses. I wear what's comfortable, and the only person whose opinion remotely matters on any of it is my wife. And seeing as we just hit 20 years a few weeks back, I'm probably safe on that front.

I can understand wearing t-shirts of bands and sports teams that you support, but a plain t-shirt that says nothing but OLD NAVY or AMERICAN EAGLE bugs me to no end. Why would you pay a company for the privilege of advertising on your body?

For the record, I don't do that, for that very reason. But if someone else wants to pay for the privilege of advertising, they can knock themselves out.

I remember a year or two ago somebody posted photos of a BTF get together at one of the annual SABR conferences. It amazed me how crappily everyone dressed.

Gotta go classy... Well only when i want to, otherwise i dont car but rocking the 3 peice suit is always fun