Baltimore Ravens owner Steve Biscotti said his team and the NFL are willing to do whatever it takes to ensure the season opens at M&T Bank Stadium on Thursday, Sept. 5, so it’s up to the Baltimore Orioles to give a little themselves.

I've been following this, and can somebody shed some light on this for me? What does the Orioles/White Sox game have to do with whether or not the Ravens can play their game? Is this just something where the NFL wants the baseball game moved so they can have more fans show up?

Whatever the case, I hope the Orioles/White Sox/MLB tell the NFL to go pound sand.

the caption in the article says "The Ravens and Orioles playing at the same time would make for a logistical nightmare due to the proximity of M&T Bank Park, left, to Camden Yards."

The two stadiums share parking lots. If they both play at the same time, the lots would probably be overloaded.

The Orioles will have just finished off a 9 game road trip...can't imagine they would be thrilled with a day game right after getting into town.

Orioles games use the M&T parking lot.

#2, #3, #5, thanks. The previous articles I had read on this never mentioned that. I didn't read this one because I didn't think there would be any additional information.

Either way, I'd tell the NFL to screw themselves. These things are best handled in house...you don't make them public like this.

Biscotti should go dip himself in some sort of hot liquid.

2009 American League Central tie-breaker game.

You reap what you sow.

The whole brouhaha stems from the NFL's all-of-nine-year-old "tradition" that the season should open with a Thursday night marquee matchup at the home of the Super Bowl Champion. I sincerely hope that the Orioles just tell the NFL to stuff it, and I say that as a huge Ravens fan.

How much would moving the baseball game to the afternoon even help? Don't fans start showing up in the parking lot for a night football game like six hours before kickoff?

The Orioles will have just finished off a 9 game road trip...can't imagine they would be thrilled with a day game right after getting into town.

They could very easily move the football game to Wednesday then. They did it last year.

IF the Orioles were inclined to accommodate the NFL (I agree with AO and Andy on this point), the obvious solution is a day-night doubleheader on Friday, rather than a Thursday afternoon game.

How much would moving the baseball game to the afternoon even help? Don't fans start showing up in the parking lot for a night football game like six hours before kickoff?

That's a very good point, especially given all the tailgating vehicles that likely aren't going to want to budge after they've set up, in order to let the Orioles fans depart.

They could very easily move the football game to Wednesday then. They did it last year.

But then none of the Ravens' Jewish stars could play.

They could very easily move the football game to Wednesday then. They did it last year.

Bingo.

They could very easily move the football game to Wednesday then. They did it last year.

They mention that in the article. Supposedly they don't want to do it because of Rosh Hashanah. I don't really understand why that would be a big conflict, I assume they don't cancel monday night football when the holiday is on a monday.

Do the Ravens still have any players?

Won't the Orioles have been eliminated by this point?

Just leave it. It'll all work itself out.

The Ravens can play a Sunday night opener if they want to have a big national TV broadcast. More people will see it than a Thursday game.

The Orioles & White Sox would have to travel after a night game and play a day game to accommodate the NFL. Not worth the trouble.

The whole brouhaha stems from the NFL's all-of-nine-year-old "tradition" that the season should open with a Thursday night marquee matchup at the home of the Super Bowl Champion. I sincerely hope that the Orioles just tell the NFL to stuff it, and I say that as a huge Ravens fan.

Wasn't the first game last year on a Wed? Just do that again this year.

Meatwad: Why did you link to an article that forces me to support Peter Angelos? I haven't backed him since the 1994-95 strike when he voted against the other owners regarding replacement players and what would have been the end of Cal's chance to pass Genrig.

I don't think they can play Thursday afternoon since the Orioles are returning from a road trip. I think a night game followed by travel requires a night game the following day.

And I'll add my voice; Hey NFL, the MLB schedule has been out for several months, play the game Friday night, or Saturday night, or Sunday night or Monday night.


What really pisses me off is that in the end MLB will cave.

By September 5th it will be football season in Baltimore.

Why not have the football game on Friday evening and ask the Os to play on Friday afternoon? Sure, that sucks for those who are Shomer F*cking Shabbos but at least then the game won't be on either the first or second night of Rosh Hashanah.

EDIT: By the way, weren't these baseball/football scheduling conflicts supposed to go away after we got rid of the multi-purpose stadiums?

Why not have the football game on Friday evening and ask the Os to play on Friday afternoon? Sure, that sucks for those who are Shomer F*cking Shabbos but at least then the game won't be on either the first or second night of Rosh Hashanah.

I think the NFL gets something from the federal government in exchange for never having friday games.

Bear in mind too that the Orioles have a sizeable Jewish fanbase too. Most would miss a Thursday afternoon game, since services on the first day of RH typically don't conclude until 1pm at the earliest.

There seems to be some animosity between the two teams already, stemming from a similar situation several years ago. In that situation, the O's asked the Ravens to accomodate them and the Ravens said no, so the O's aren't likely to do anything to help the Ravens on this. Jim Duquette mentioned it on his satellite radio show.

Also there are some logistical problems associated with both teams playing at the same time. One is the aforementioned parking problem. Another is staffing. A lot of the support and concessions staff works in both builldings, so there would likely be shortages in both.

An example of how complicated things can get: At O's games, the staff pays $2 to park in a lot about a quarter-mile away from Oriole Park. That same parking lot is a prime lot for the Ravens, as it is right across the light rail tracks from M&T Bank Stadium. The Ravens are probably getting $40-$50 a spot in that parking lot. BTW, the Ravens do not offer employee parking anywhere in the complex. You either pay the full price, or find paking on the street. And street parking in Baltimore is largely forbidden on Ravens game days.

No reason whey the Ravens can't play Wednesday. I'm not an expert on Judaism or any other religion, but I suspect that nobody is going to boycott the NFL because of them playing on a religious holiday. They play on Christmas, don't they?

Perhaps this little incident was not forgotten by O's management:

The Ravens and Orioles have made it a point to try and be positive influences on each other ever since the slight blunder on the part of one of the Ravens PR personnel who, at some point last season (2012), posted a picture of a packed M&T Bank Stadium during an empty seated Orioles game and stated "wouldn't you rather be here right now?".

I'm Jewish and I don't care. The NFL and the Ravens are being absolutely ridiculous. Just play on Wed. or Sun. night.

Why don't they just play the Ravens game in Cleveland Municipal Stadium?

NEVER FORGET

No reason whey the Ravens can't play Wednesday. I'm not an expert on Judaism or any other religion, but I suspect that nobody is going to boycott the NFL because of them playing on a religious holiday. They play on Christmas, don't they?

I'm sure they've played on Rosh Hashanah before.

I'm Jewish and I don't care. The NFL and the Ravens are being absolutely ridiculous. Just play on Wed. or Sun. night.

Baltimore has a large Jewish community and more than its fair share of observant types. I'm sure more than a few are season-ticket holders and moving the game to Wednesday would piss them off big time.

And they probably will this year too. I don't see the O's backing down on this.

Edit: referenced to #31.

Baltimore has a large Jewish community and more than its fair share of observant types. I'm sure more than a few are season-ticket holders and moving the game to Wednesday would piss them off big time

If RH service typically last until 1pm on the first day, how will an 8pm start time interefere with that?

If RH service typically last until 1pm on the first day, how will an 8pm start time interefere with that?

There'd be services Wednesday night and Thursday (first day) morning.

Baltimore has a large Jewish community and more than its fair share of observant types. I'm sure more than a few are season-ticket holders and moving the game to Wednesday would piss them off big time

If RH service typically last until 1pm on the first day, how will an 8pm start time interefere with that?

Wasn't the Giants opener on RH last year?

If RH service typically last until 1pm on the first day, how will an 8pm start time interefere with that?

I was attempting to make two points: The Ravens would have a PR problem if they agreed to play on Wednesday evening whereas the Orioles would have one if they agreed to a Thursday matinee.

"There'd be services Wednesday night and Thursday (first day) morning.

OK, so there is a problem then. Thanks for enlightening me.

Guess the Ravens will just have to cancel then! :D

Wasn't the Giants opener on RH last year?

Negative. That was their second game. Furthermore, I am pretty sure that it was a 1pm start, meaning that fans had a shot at getting home before sundown.

Baltimore Ravens owner Steve Biscotti said "We are the NFL. All must bow before us. We play football, a man's game. Baseball is for faggots."

Fixed.

Bear in mind too that the Orioles have a sizeable Jewish fanbase too. Most would miss a Thursday afternoon game, since services on the first day of RH typically don't conclude until 1pm at the earliest.

So WWSD, Jason? Give them each half a game on Thursday night?

I've also heard the suggestion that the Ravens open on the road instead of at home the same Thursday night.

It has always bothered me that people that claim to be religious are more upset with a damned sporting event than observing the High Holy Days.

I think the NFL gets something from the federal government in exchange for never having friday games.

The Sports Television Broadcasting Act -- which provides an anti-trust exemption for sports leagues to have a joint TV contract -- has a restriction on the NFL playing games on Friday & Saturday during the high school & college season.

If I'm the O's and MLB I hold out for 300 mil to make myself whole

Just play the football game on Wednesday. Something like 0.1% of the worlds population is Jewish; there is no need to schedule around RH.

And Sorry bob, you are one of my favorite posters here, wouldn't want to annoy you.

michael silver's take on this was particularly childish.

michael silver's take on this was particularly childish.

Oh god was it ever. I'll summarize: "Baseball sucks, and Roger Goodell should use his bulging muscles to settle this issue to his liking."