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1. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn)

posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Let's talk about a sport at which the SEC is lousy!

2. robinred

posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:43 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

UCLA could probably beat the Lakers.

3. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:13 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

and a sport where the BIG is good.

4. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn)

posted on January 11, 2013 at 12:14 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

I know it's been talked about half to death, but, man, Duke's out-of-conference slate was impressive.

5. smileyy posted on January 11, 2013 at 01:06 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Xavier is dreadful this year. Thus, I have little interest in college basketball.

6. VoodooR posted on January 11, 2013 at 03:35 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Gonzaga is getting a lot of hype this year, but as a fan I fear the Zags will get nicked (again) in March by a team with athletic guards and a coach that can make in-game adjustments better than Mark Few (great program builder, shaky in-game coach).

7. OCF posted on January 11, 2013 at 03:53 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

So my school, Long Beach State: after making it to the NCAA tourney (one and out) last year, graduated nearly the entire starting lineup. It's a total rebuild year, pretty much from scratch. Scheduled a bunch of big boys anyway. Got stomped by all the big boys. The coach, Dan Monson, will keep right on scheduling that way - it's what he does. Now 3-1 in conference.

8. Bitter Mouse posted on January 11, 2013 at 08:37 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

A sport a MN team is good at, why would I want to talk about that?

9. Crosseyed and Painless posted on January 11, 2013 at 09:39 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

MSU's 16 on KenPom this year. Normally that would make me think they'd have a chance at a Big Ten title. This year it has me just hoping they go 10-8 in conference.

10. T.J. posted on January 11, 2013 at 10:11 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

As a Tar Heel fan, I have to say: We suck. Poor defense, no toughness, very little experience, no personality.

11. DL from MN posted on January 11, 2013 at 10:42 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Long suffering Gopher fan here enjoying this season immensely. However, as a long-suffering Gopher fan, I am still waiting for the inevitable problem that derails everything.

12. Shredder posted on January 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

UCLA could probably beat the Lakers.

Have we been watching the same UCLA team? I'm torn between believing that Ben Howland has probably overstayed his welcome, and hoping this team really does well so that I can read the increasingly ridiculous headlines from the comedians over at Bruins Nation.

13. BDC

posted on January 11, 2013 at 11:10 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

My employer, Texas-Arlington, has put a lot of effort into ramping up its men's basketball program. They built a 7,000-seat stadium, and upgraded to the Western Athletic Conference from the Southland. Success on the court has been mixed, particularly over this winter break when they got clobbered at home by some indifferent WAC and similar teams. They have been drawing announced crowds of about 1,000 per game (between semesters, when there are very few students around). I don't want them to fail at this effort, but I'm concerned: what if you build a stadium, your team is mediocre, and nobody shows up or cares? I don't think I can draw any useful lessons from the Miami Marlins …

14. TerpNats posted on January 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Maryland has assembled a rather good young team under Mark Turgeon, though aside from Kentucky in the opener, its non-conference schedule was nothing to get excited about. After blowing a halftime lead at home vs. Florida State on Wednesday, it's safe to say the Terps aren't yet a great young team. And if that occurs in College Park, it probably won't be until next season.

15. puck posted on January 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I don't want them to fail at this effort, but I'm concerned: what if you build a stadium, your team is mediocre, and nobody shows up or cares? I don't think I can draw any useful lessons from the Miami Marlins …

You use the arena for the women's team, and for large classes to take final exams in, like University of Colorado did before the past few years. (Well, I'm sure they still do those things, but they get more than 25% capacity for men's games now.)

16. smileyy posted on January 11, 2013 at 12:55 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

TerpsNats -- what are your thoughts on Dez Wells, who got gift-wrapped* and sent your way? How's he been playing?

*After failing to gift-wrap himself at a girl's request.

17. Sean Forman posted on January 11, 2013 at 01:09 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Just an FYI as this crew might be interested. Sports Reference just added 8400+ scans of full season cbb stats. Like Holy Cross 1950 or Kansas 1962, etc.

http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2013/01/more-college-basketball-stats/

18. Gold Star - just Gold Star posted on January 11, 2013 at 01:11 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Thanks, Sean! Amazing work you're doing.

19. Gold Star - just Gold Star posted on January 11, 2013 at 01:18 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Arizona State played an OOC schedule full of fish and came close to running the table - the only bad loss was a home pratfall vs. DePaul, and they also dropped one to Creighton (no shame there).

Once P12 play started, everyone (including myself) thought reality would smack Sendek in the face... Well well, look at that: ASU is 3-0 in conference play. Pomeroy now projects ASU to finish the regular season with 20 wins and a 9-9 P12 record.

20. TerpNats posted on January 11, 2013 at 02:09 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Wells has helped, but he hasn't been the difference in and of himself.

21. Al Peterson posted on January 11, 2013 at 02:39 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Terps - you'll know more in a month. They've had exactly 1 true road games (+2 neutral court games but one of those was in DC). January appears tougher than February for ACC games. They'll be alright since the bottom half of the ACC is no great shakes. Wells is maybe not a star but a vocal leader which the team needs.

22. SouthSideRyan posted on January 11, 2013 at 04:20 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Illinois is going to be maddeningly inconsistent, but this maddening inconsistency is so much better than that of the last 5 years.

23. Wichita Wranglers Baseball posted on January 11, 2013 at 04:50 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

As a Tar Heel fan, I have to say: We suck. Poor defense, no toughness, very little experience, no personality.

I'm a Kansas grad whose fandom blossomed during Roy's tenure, so it bums me out that UNC is struggling this year. That's not a concern troll, either: I genuinely want them to contend each year. Take heart from the fact that Carolina will remain a top-five destination for recruits and that bad losses in December often beget close wins in March, especially for younger teams.

24. bigboy1234 posted on January 11, 2013 at 04:52 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Quick comparison between the clear top 2 conferences in the order I'd probably rank the teams.

B10....BE
IND = LOU
UM = SYR
MIN = PIT
OSU > ND
MSU => CIN
WIS > CON
ILL > MAR

So yeah, I think the B10 is the best conference. And yes, the SEC has no depth, but their top 4 teams are just as good, if not better than any conferences outside of the above two.

25. Tripon posted on January 11, 2013 at 05:05 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I don't want them to fail at this effort, but I'm concerned: what if you build a stadium, your team is mediocre, and nobody shows up or cares? I don't think I can draw any useful lessons from the Miami Marlins …

You use the arena for the women's team, and for large classes to take final exams in, like University of Colorado did before the past few years. (Well, I'm sure they still do those things, but they get more than 25% capacity for men's games now.)

USC (Southern California edition) built the Galen center for the Men's team. But even when they're good (20+ wins, trips to the NCAAs, etc.) they can only draw a couple thousand in a stadium that sits 12,000. The Galen Center is right across campus, in the heart of downtown L.A. Its a $150 million building that nobody cares to go to, it'll be remarkable if it wasn't a display of USC's ostentation.

26. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 11, 2013 at 05:16 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Illinois is going to be maddeningly inconsistent, but this maddening inconsistency is so much better than that of the last 5 years.

I didn't expect a whole lot this year, but Groce is getting a helluva lot more out of these players than Weber could ever dream of. And they're much more fun to watch. But rebounding is going to kill them.

B10....BE
IND = LOU
UM = SYR
MIN = PIT
OSU > ND
MSU => CIN
WIS > CON
ILL > MAR

Sorry, I wouldn't put MSU and WIS ahead of UI this year, even with their obvious and exploitable weaknesses (not sure on OSU, but they might be lower than UI also). Also, I'm starting to think UM is better than IU. Also, UM > SU and MIN > PIT.

27. SoSH U at work posted on January 11, 2013 at 05:28 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

And yes, the SEC has no depth, but their top 4 teams are just as good, if not better than any conferences outside of the above two.

Who the hell is their fourth, and what have they done to be included in any sign-of-strength classifications?

28. bigboy1234 posted on January 11, 2013 at 05:44 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Sorry, I wouldn't put MSU and WIS ahead of UI this year, even with their obvious and exploitable weaknesses (not sure on OSU, but they might be lower than UI also).

You really think Iowa is better than these 3 teams? I don't see it all, like it didn't even cross my mind when rating them. I could see the argument for them over Illini though. Sell me on Iowa, what am I missing?

Who the hell is their fourth, and what have they done to be included in any sign-of-strength classifications?

Mississippi and/or Missouri, don't see either ever being in the top 10, but would likely have both around the back-end of a top 25.

29. SoSH U at work posted on January 11, 2013 at 06:21 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Mississippi and/or Missouri, don't see either ever being in the top 10, but would likely have both around the back-end of a top 25.

Mizzou, I can see. Despite the gaudy record, I don't see how Ole Miss is any better than a number of No. 4s. (For instance, I don't see how they stand out against whoever is the A-10's No. 4, whomever that may be). And frankly, Kentucky hasn't exactly been an imposing No. 2).

30. bigboy1234 posted on January 11, 2013 at 06:46 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The 3/4 of the ACC are NCST/VA and B12 is Baylor and probably KST, then the P12 is whomever you like less of UCLA/Oregon (UCLA obviously has a ton of talent, but they haven't been great) and COL or STAN. I would take the SEC combo over these 3.

31. Shredder posted on January 11, 2013 at 06:51 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Illinois is going to be maddeningly inconsistent, but this maddening inconsistency is so much better than that of the last 5 years.

I actually think they're going to be pretty consistent down the stretch. Unfortunately, I think they're going to be consistent down the stretch this year the way they were last year. I think they're probably actually more likely to miss the tournament than make it. I see two games on their schedule that you can probably lock down as wins (PSU and Nebraska at home). I would not be completely shocked if those were the only two games they won the rest of the year.

32. SouthSideRyan posted on January 11, 2013 at 07:02 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Wow, Shredder. I think the Weber era has jaded you. I would be utterly shocked if Illinois went 3-15 in the Big Ten. There's no reason they should lose to a Crawford-less Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin, or @ Nebraska.

Right there that puts them at 7 Big Ten wins, meaning win one other (They really should win at Northwestern) puts them in the tourney.

33. Shredder posted on January 11, 2013 at 07:28 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Wow, Shredder. I think the Weber era has jaded you. I would be utterly shocked if Illinois went 3-15 in the Big Ten. There's no reason they should lose to a Crawford-less Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin, or @ Nebraska.

You're right, there's no reason they should lose to Purdue. Which makes the fact that they've already lost to Purdue inexcusable, and has basically robbed me of any faith in this team. They have absolutely nothing inside, and they just get dominated on the glass.

34. Sandlapper Spike posted on January 11, 2013 at 07:34 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I was hopeful my guys might turn the corner this season, but nine straight losses suggest otherwise. Oh well...

Still love college hoops. Some good action this weekend. Duke may have some issues in Raleigh, especially without Kelly.

35. GregD posted on January 11, 2013 at 07:50 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

And frankly, Kentucky hasn't exactly been an imposing No. 2

Kentucky's lost right now. That Vandy game was terrible. They're finally getting point guard play but now nothing from the wings.

36. SouthSideRyan posted on January 11, 2013 at 08:21 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Well, I meant Purdue in CU, road games in the Big Ten are what they are.

The last couple games have been very encouraging in terms of boarding. They rebounded at a better rate than both OSU and Minnesota. By Offensive rebounding %, Minnesota is #1 in the country, and Illinois held them to their lowest % of the season.

37. Conor posted on January 11, 2013 at 08:54 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I was looking at the Pomeroy ratings; the BE and the B10 7 of the top 10 teams in the country. Of course, one of those teams is Pitt, who seems a little overrated, which would leave the BE with 2 top 10 teams and the B10 with 4 (!). I think Lousville and SU (and that is my team) are every bit as good as the top 2 teams in the B10, give or take. Indiana is third in Pomeroy, Lville 4th, SU 5th, and Michigan 7th. But the B10 also has Minnesota and Ohio State, who are 8th and 10th, and then also Michigan State (15th) and Wisconsin (17th; though they frequently seem to have inflated Pomeroy ratings) before another BE team shows up.

B10 is really loaded this year; its amazing how many good to great teams they have. Could be a lot like 2009 for the BE, where they had 7 teams in the top 19 in the Pomeroy ratings, and ended up with 3 #1 seeds. Though they would probably max out with 2 #1 seeds.

38. SouthSideRyan posted on January 11, 2013 at 10:16 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I wouldn't put a 1 seed past OSU(I love DeShaun Thomas), but with IU, UM, and OSU all playing each other twice, I agree it may be tough to get 3 of them.

39. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 11, 2013 at 11:10 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

28- UI is Illinois not Iowa.

Shredder, you're insane.

40. Shredder posted on January 12, 2013 at 01:15 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Hope you're right, but I have a pretty good feeling that in two months we'll be debating whether or not Illinois should accept their invitation to the NIT.

41. bigboy1234 posted on January 12, 2013 at 01:36 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

#39 - Ah, I see. And we shall see against Wisconsin in a couple hours, you and SouthSideRyan both seem to think Illini is better than them, while I think they are the 6th and 7th best teams in the B10, I do think there is a bit of a gap there. Will be an impressive win for Illini in my mind if they can beat Wisco on the road.

42. bigboy1234 posted on January 12, 2013 at 01:39 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Also, can't believe the IND/MIN game isn't on a more popular network.

43. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn)

posted on January 12, 2013 at 03:02 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Indiana's loaded with guys with quick hands. They can seriously force some turnovers.

44. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 12, 2013 at 03:16 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

And we shall see against Wisconsin in a couple hours

I don't know what today's game will tell us exactly - road wins are damn hard, just ask Duke today. Although, I don't 100% believe that, because if Virginia can win there so should Illinois. Purdue was a bad loss, no way around that.

I think they are the 6th and 7th best teams in the B10, I do think there is a bit of a gap there.

I don't see why you'd think that based on their bodies of work so far. Wisconsin doesn't have a single good win yet (today would be one), and they played a pretty weak schedule. I think they're getting a lot of credit for who they've been in the past as opposed to who they are this year.

Also, can't believe the IND/MIN game isn't on a more popular network.

BTN's making a ton of money for the conference, they gotta keep some of these for themselves.

45. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 12, 2013 at 03:19 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Indiana is trying to give this game to Minnesota...

46. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 12, 2013 at 03:20 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

...but Minnesota isn't taking advantage.

47. TerpNats posted on January 12, 2013 at 03:24 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Just watched Virginia get hammered at Clemson (and the Tigers weren't at full strength). Based upon both teams' subsequent performances, the Cavs' victory over UNC last Sunday doesn't seem all that significant now, does it?

48. Shredder posted on January 12, 2013 at 04:05 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I reiterate. This Illinois team is not good at all.

49. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn)

posted on January 12, 2013 at 04:09 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Damn, Illinois. Damn ...

50. SouthSideRyan posted on January 12, 2013 at 05:05 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I reiterate. They're maddeningly inconsistent.

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