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Where are the stars of this team? Who does a 10-year old kid idolize?
This is a relatively small city, redeveloping from the Rust Belt days, with a ballpark that is very nice, but no longer novel. Outside of the sellout streak seasons of 1995 to 2001, what makes anybody think attendance is going to be better than about 10th or 11th most seasons?
what makes anybody think attendance is going to be better than about 10th or 11th most seasons
The Indians’ average attendance of 19,435, as of last Friday, Sept. 13, ranked 28th in Major League Baseball.
As we sometimes point out in Tampa Bay threads, somebody has to rank low at these things
Meanwhile, Indians attendance is down from last year, 600 a night less than a 68 win team. If they win a pennant, yeah, they'll some tickets. Emphasis on "some", as opposed to "many".
Attendance most definitely lags behind performance. The Red Sox won 69 games last year, have the best record in baseball this year, and attendance is down by 2700 fans per game!
After all, there was quite a confluence of events from about 1994 through about 2001 that would cause just about ANY franchise to see strong attendance figures. Consider:
There is a bit of a lag between success and attendance, isn't there?
There is a bit of a lag between success and attendance, isn't there
In a shorter window, while the Indians have been "in it", I think most people probably assumed up until the last few days that Tampa Bay and Texas would be the WCs (or the MFYs would be). But those first two teams have just kept losing, so here the Indians are, and I expect that their fans may respond a bit the last couple of weeks.
And this suggestion that as long as we dont compare their attendance to the teams that their revenue made will help fund them against, then the numbers look fine, makes no sense to me.
I went to four Indians games a week and a half ago, one on a weeknight and then a weekend series, and all were pitifully attended. I have to say what surprised me most was that the tickets were all pretty expensive. I ended up using stubhub for all four games, but if you want to buy from the Indians, it's not as cheap as I think a team that's drawing so poorly should be.
The only thing I can think of that will give the Tribe an immediate attendance boost is if someone like Dan Gilbert buys the team.
The Dolans and the front office are hated by the casual fan. This is the 13th full season they've owned the team, and this year will be only the fourth winning season in that time. Compared to the success the team had under Jacobs the Dolans are considered incompetent failures. It is going to take a sustained period of success before this changes. The only thing I can think of that will give the Tribe an immediate attendance boost is if someone like Dan Gilbert buys the team.
Cleveland, with Tampa, may simply be the worst of the AL markets (at the moment).
Yeah, if high attendance was really what the team brass wanted, they would lower prices to meet the demand instead of complaining about fans not coming out for a decent team.
Heh. I feel like this reflects a hell of a lot more unflatteringly on Dolan than it does positively on Gilbert
Bottom five in ticket prices. And they've lowered ticket prices in years past, and used dynamic pricing to offer plenty of cheap seats. There's no positive affect on attendance.
I'm not disagreeing. But the teams in the worst markets are going to be looking for better opportunities.
And whatever else might be out there would just be another Cleveland (or Tampa, or Oakland)
If they simply wanted more butts in the seats the obvious move would be to lower the price of tickets even more. There is little evidence that the Indians haven't maximized revenue by pricing their tickets the way they have.
And yes, for better or worse, Tribe fan.
I thought you were a Tribe fan, though your cynicism regarding your franchise is rather unusual
In case you haven't noticed, and judging by the attendance you haven't, the Indians have managed to win a few here and there, and are threatening to climb out of the cellar.
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