Read More...[A]s of May 16, Kevin Gregg has thrown ten innings without allowing an earned run. Over those 10 frames, he has faced 39 batters surrendering just five hits and four walks and striking out 12 batters. Because it’s just 10 innings, I’m probably making too big a deal out of his success, but remember this is the same pitcher that:
*Was released by the Dodgers during Spring Training. The Dodgers’ pen ranks 25th in the Majors in ERA.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/2001/movies/reviews/the_natural/
Also this link, with picture of Steinhagen: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-03-14/news/ct-spt-0315-steinhagen-eddie-waitkus-20130315_1_chicago-woman-ruth-ann-steinhagen-eddie-waitkus
She was good at stalking at first, but then she went too far.
I could watch that every day for a LONG time before I ever got tired of it.
this is sexism plain and simple. females aren't really responsible for what they do (unless they do it for money)
you betcherass that if this was a female athlete, say, dottie hinson, shot by a male fan, that he woulda been in the slammer before you could say, oh poor boy.
*Given all your wacky girly bits always pumpin y'all full of crazy juice natch.
Suspension of disbelief seems selective for some.
Wait....46 year old people don't bat .490 and slug .800?
Best. Mitchell Appearance. Ever.
Everyone refused to sign Bonds so we don't know.
I can't suspend my disbelief at how many people like that movie and Redford in it.
You guys probably also liked the book Catcher in the Rye :-)
In my view, the movie would work better as a short film of about 5 minutes, with a minute explaining the backdrop and then a few minutes on the home run scene. Done and done.
Everyone refused to sign Bonds so we don't know.
Robert Duvall's "Max Mercy" character doesn't take enough personal pleasure in being vindictive to deserve a Hall of Fame ballot.
My Crim Law professor was adamant that those places are prisons with a different sign on the front and white uniforms instead of brown.
Brimley's one of those guys who looked 50 when he was 25. Poor bastard.
I don't think anyone wanted to see that. We didn't want to see it in The Natural and we didn't want to see it when it happened in Fatal Attraction.
It's Glenn Close.
You guys probably also liked the book Catcher in the Rye :-)
It was a solid movie. Catcher in the Rye sucked.
I wanted the main character to die a hideous death starting on about page 10.
And what does that have to do with literary achievement?
Me too. I remember voicing this in my 9th grade class, and my opinion was not shared by my classmates. My guess is that if I read it again today, I would still think that Caulfield was an annoying "phony" brat, but maybe I'd see him as more of an antihero and I'd enjoy the book more. At the time, I didn't enjoy it at all.
And what does that have to do with literary achievement?
Are there are great books, great movies, great stories where the common reaction is to hate the main character? Honest question.
And I believe the history of the reaction to the book testifies Holden Caulfield is not generally hated. Au contraire.
True, though, some works generally recognized as great were, and are, held in low esteem, even in some cases despised. Their main characters, too. Hamlet for instance, character and play, has been criticized by, oh, Samuel Johnson, Byron, T. S. Eliot.
Henry James--Mark Twain said he'd rather be condemned to John Bunyan's Heaven than read Henry James. And he had this to say of Jane Austen:
“I often want to criticize Jane Austen, but her books madden me so that I can’t conceal my frenzy from the reader; and therefore I have to stop every time I begin. Every time I read Pride and Prejudice I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin bone!”
And of course there's Fennimore Cooper's Literary Offenses.
People have said the same thing in my lifetime about Hemingway, Faulkner, Steinbeck, and many others.
But, all that still doesn't answer the question. Why do you hate it and what does that have to do with literary achievement?
I didn't say anything about its literary legacy. Neither did snapper, for that matter. Why did I hate it? I can only report that my 14 year old self disliked it, and that he hated Holden Caulfield.
But I am curious if there are any genuine classics that feature main characters that are widely hated. And of course I don't mean charismatic antiheros like, I dunno, Milton's Satan.
"It's a freakin' movie" can be used to defend The Day the Clown Cried. It can defend anything, and as such it's not really a useful argument.
I don't see how; has anyone ever seen it?
only Jerry Lewis and his lawyers
That's why I asked you. It's called furthering a conversation.
But if you're going to reflexively go into defense mode, forget it.
Widely hated by you and snapper? You will have to answer that. If it is to apply broadly, then it’s self-defeating, for the most part. I would say that there few classics where all the characters are widely hated, and that applies to Catcher in the Rye. You and snapper aren’t “widely”.
Some rather repellent main characters that most readers nevertheless feel for, though:
Humbert Humbert.
Raskolnikov.
Captain Ahab (and Claggart in Billy Budd).
Meursault in The Stranger.
Clegg in The Collector.
Tons of characters in Cormac McCarthy.
The Bible (the main character, God, is a pretty unsavory character).
Richard III.
Dorian Gray.
Stanley Kowalski.
Nicola Six in London Fields (everyone in London Fields)
Jay Gatsby (everybody in the Great Gatsby?)
Richard II
Hamlet (in that will you EVER make a decision for Christ's Sake, Jesus ****! sort of way)
Clyde Griffiths in Dreiser's American Tragedy
I'd also argue that Zuckerman in pretty horrible in every Roth novel, but that's being even more subjective than I'm already being above
Caulfield seemed to me to be the same kind of insubstantial insincere "phony" (ironically the character's own favorite putdown) that he spends the entire book railing against. I remember him as an uninsightful insincere hypocrite who is the unreliable narrator (like Humbert Humbert or a Henry James character or maybe even Huck Finn) of Salinger's satire of teen angst - a practical joke on teachers and the generations of juveniles they compelled to read it in school.
Raskolnikov came to my mind right after I posted that...
Sorry, didn't mean for it to come off that way. I thought that you were pouncing on a statement I never made. For better or worse I don't feel qualified to talk about Catcher in the Rye's legacy because it's been so long since I read it.
I wasn't trying to pretend that my interpretation was important or definitive. I too was just furthering a conversation.
Holden Caulfield is a 16-year old boy, for Christ's sake, who is having an emotional breakdown. He's just lost a little brother whom he loved very much, his older brother that he idolized has sold out to Hollywood, and he fears that his little sister will be hurt. He worries about his mother and father, and other characters. He is repelled by the way people hurt each other, misunderstand each other, and he recognizes that he is not totally free of those faults. He's left childhood and is entering adulthood and it scares the #### out of him. Exactly what is it about him that makes some so angry and judgmental. (In a way, it is a testament to Salinger's artistic skill that he is able to elicit such a response, one all out of proportion.) Is that how you would view and treat a real adolescent in your life?
A real adolescent in crisis and suffering a loss needs support (which Caulfield never gets) but cannot be allowed to hide forever behind defenses rather than mourn the loss.
When the Branagh Hamlet came out, I went to see it with my then-GF, who was very smart and very cranky... she'd never read Hamlet and didn't really know the story. On the way out of the theater, she asked me, in all sincerity, "Why doesn't he just kill him?" I always enjoyed her ability to get to the damn point.
If Hamlet were to have killed Claudius in Act III, what would Shakespeare have filled Acts IV and V with? :-)
Claudius- "What we would do, we should do, when we would. For this 'would' changes and hath as many abatements and delays as there are hands, are fingers, are eyes. Then this would becomes like a spendthrifts sigh, that hurts upon easing."
The very short reign of Laertes.
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