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prince fielder's career line is .287/.393/.539. Rizzo plays better defense and runs the bases better (which ok isn't saying that much but still)
get out of here. that's even dumber than the original interpretation of post 5
I'm sorry, what? You're comparing Rizzo's line in 159 PA this year to Fielder's career line? That doesn't make any sense, and Fielder still has .040 points of OBP on that.
In 680 career PA Rizzo's been worth 2.2 fWAR and 3.2 bWAR. ZIPS has him at 3.2 WAR/600 over the rest of the season, Steamer has him at 2.9. So Rizzo looks like a 3 WAR player going forward, which precisely fits the description in #10. A slightly above average player who's worth locking down, but nothing to get excited about as a cornerstone.
A no-brainer to like this deal. The only "downside" is that they could have waited for years before committing.
I will also point out that everyone 'says' you can always find a bat to play first base but just looking around the league you can see that is not the case.
By committing now, however, they're unnecessarily paying him over the next three years--but they have the money and nothing really better to do with it over that time. In return they're going to be getting him extraordinarily cheap the last three years of the deal--which will free up money to be spent to improve the team elsewhere, during the window when they expect to contend.
A no-brainer to like this deal. The only "downside" is that they could have waited for years before committing. Chances are neither Rizzo nor Castro are going to be great but they're tied up for a long time at decent prices. Dig up a couple more young players, pray that somehow an FA or two becomes available and off you go.
Well, the Cubs had a bat to play 1B through 2018 before this move; now they have a bat to play 1B in 2019. It's good to lock in someone at a position that is harder to fill than commonly believed, but that's not what they did here. Rizzo was already locked in.
Well, the Cubs had a bat to play 1B through 2018 before this move
Are you really predicting an Overbay-like career for Rizzo, or is this just another sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek one-off--or would it now be two-off--line?
I think they meant the cubs had control over Rizzo during this time
At one point, Lars Anderson was seen as blocking Rizzo's path to the big leagues.
Bingo. Before this deal, Rizzo was their starting 1B through 2018. After this deal, that hasn't changed; it has been extended.
I'm sure I'm a complete moron here... but if he already has 1 year of service time, and this deal bought out this year and the next 4 years of arb... so a total of 5 years... if it's a 7 year deal, aren't they getting 2 free agent years? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious...
And, I'll admit to developing an emotional fan's attachment to him; he's easily my current favorite Cub (granted, the competition's not that stiff), and watching him develop has been one of the few bright spots of the last year. I really like his approach at the plate; he knows the zone, and though he's got a ton of power, he seems pretty good at shortening his stroke when the situation dictates. I think the "Adam LaRoche clone" label BP put on him this year way undersells him, not that LaRoche is a bad player in his own right.
I can't believe there are people coming down even on the "meh" side of things. This is a great deal.
You're not going to give any credit at all for the fact that Rizzo is 23 years old?
At what point does long term become now?
So how does it improve the Cubs 5 years from now?
So how does it improve the Cubs 5 years from now?
They've punted at least 3 seasons away and are pocketing the profits and doing that hasn't made the Cubs outlook any rosier than if they had tried to win games then and now.
It's occurred more than 3 or 4 times
Kelly is out for the year with elbow surgery, and seems unlikely to end up an effective big league pitcher. Reymond Fuentes is floating around at AA, young enough at age 22 to still make something happen, but not obviously heading to the bigs anytime soon.
As for Gene Michael the early to mid 90's Yankees were not home grown in fact Gene basically did what I have advocated all along which is get talent that is ready now while the kids down on the farm develop. I believe the only major piece that Michael added via his own farm system development to the 1996 WS winning team was Derek Jeter. Everybody else was either already in the farm system when he got there or was brought via trades and free agency.
Meanwhile Pujols' 2013 OPS+ is officially below 100 -- everything has fallen apart. The closest thing I can think of to what we're seeing is Dick Allen. I know it's just (another) 170 PA but this is depressing.
He does have a league-leading 4 SFs and 6 IBB though.
Come on, guys, I think reasonable minds can agree that there's some middle ground between what the Angels and Dodgers have done and what the Pirates FO has put its fanbase through for two decades.
I would say so and I would also say it was possible for the Cubs to take that middle ground.
They could add 60 million dollars to next year's payroll and still not max out nor paint themselves into a corner for 2015 or 2106's payroll.
Clearly, Theo and Jed did not adopt the first plan. Where I part ways with McCoy is that I see no point in relitigating that decision. It has been made, there is no going back, so the only thing as a Cubs fan to do is to be patient and hope that it pays off down the road. I don't see the point in nitpicking in the interim. There will be plenty of time for carping in 2015-16.
So sign no one ever?
I'm no rehashing an old fight though. I simply called the signing a "meh" signing. This isn't a great day in Cubdom simply because Rizzo is under team control for 1 or possibly up to 2 more extra years. The team hasn't been improved simply because we now know how much money Rizzo is going to make 7 years from now.
This isn't a great day in Cubdom simply because Rizzo is under team control for 1 or possibly up to 2 more extra years. The team hasn't been improved simply because we now know how much money Rizzo is going to make 7 years from now.
So sign no one ever? At some point the Cubs have to sign free agents in order to actually win bunches of games either that or we're going to have to wait 10 or so years for the Cubs to develop all the players they need to man a team. As part of my try to compete now strategy I was in favor of signing Josh Willingham and Aramis Ramirez last year. Both players are signed through 2014 and all it would have cost the Cubs in all probability is more money. They have that in bunches. Yes there is a potential that in 6 years time you have some Prince Fielder or Albert Pujols carcass on your roster making tons of money. But that is 6 years down the road, the Cubs can afford it, and it isn't like the Cubs were going to hand out 10 of those contracts.
I did advocate 8/$200 for Pujols
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