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To be fair, in the mid 1990s the marketing slogan was "Come indoors and see us play in the worst building ever constructed while we beg for a new stadium".
It was the worst venue for baseball that I ever attended.
Because the stadium was originally designed for football (ARRRRGOOOOOS!), the metal benches (!) down the 1st base side near the outfield didn't face the infield, but faced the outfield (where the centerfielder would stand). You had to either turn your body to face the infield/batter (leaving you with only one cheek on the bench) or turn your head (hello sore neck) for the entire game.
Fourth, fourth, third, third, third in NL attendance from 1979-83 playing in a ########. Pretty damn good.
Pittsburgh hasn't topped the National League in attendance since 1948, and hasn't finished in the top half more than four times since 1969. This isn't because Pittsburgh is a 'bad baseball town'. It's because Pittsburgh is the smallest market in the league. Montréal's market isn't a great deal bigger.
From 1969 until 1983, the Baltimore Orioles finished 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the AL East every season but one, and were only in the top five in attendance three times.
I guess the question is what is a great baseball town?
Doesn't pretty much every team finish in the top five in attendance when they are really good?
But that 6.2m market isn't straightforward, because there are separate markets for English and French television rights, so that creates two smaller advertising markets as opposed to Pittsburgh's undivided one.
I guess the question is what is a great baseball town?
I've seen the Expos at Olympic Stadium. To me, it seemed like... a baseball stadium. I don't really get the hate for it. I'm not saying it was the world's most wonderful baseball experience. I'm just... I don't know, I'm there to see the game, not to marvel at the architecture or whatever. I don't really care one way or the other about the stadium (stadiums in general, that is, not just Olympic Stadium in particular).
Not really. It's on an island in the river. Not particularly close to downtown.
It is probably at least the third-best baseball town in the country. (Edmonton has a case, too.)
Jays say they broadcast coast to coast , but most games are on Sportsnet, so presumably for anglos only. Not sure if the CBC or TSN games are also broadcast en francais. Of course, most francophones are capable of understanding English well enough, though making them do so it #### branding.
Winnipeg draws well, but I don't know how much of that is simply competent ownership.
Would a triple A or other minor league team in Montreal make sense for the next 5-10 years? Smaller crowd, shorter season would seem like it would effectively draw in those who were hungry for baseball in the area, and from there could be used to start ramping up interest in the longer term.
you still sell out a stadium that sits three quarters of a million people every night.
Seems like the Blue Jays could make some significant money if they really became "Canada's Team", rather than just Toronto's or just Ontario's. Are any of their games televised nationwide now? Ratings any good?
It's a little far for the Anglos on the West Island to get to - it's a real haul from somewhere like Dorval, where you don't have the metro. That was a legitimate complaint.
If/when those details could be overcome, it would open up the entire Pacific Rim region
To find the money for AAA you might as well just build a big league stadium and start angling for a team.
There would probably also be resentment over Montreal being an AAA city.
I'd be interested to see a similar study to the one in 26 that included a few of the Canadian cities listed above, along with a few others (Nashville or Memphis, Little Rock, or even a few in Mexico/Japan or Honolulu)
When an MLB team and a 3A team leave an area within the same 3-year period — a period featuring record attendance at both the MLB and MiLB levels — that seems like decent evidence that the area just isn't as baseball-crazy as some of its most passionate supporters want people to believe.
Flynn, I'm no more than an interested, but ignorant and distant third party - but I totally agree that the CanAm is the way to go, if they can snag a facility.
Ottawa's going to get an org ball team sooner than later - they're my pick to be the 2nd Canadian city with a minor league team. They pursued the Eastern League,
are looking at the Midwest League.
I believe the New York–Penn League was Ottawa's fallback plan. The Midwest League is way too far away.
That's what I would think, but not what I was seeing reported.
NYP certainly makes more sense in terms of geography and the number of markets that "need" an upgrade (no offense to any primates who lives in Batavia and whatnot).
Yes, I agree with you - I'll retract my original comment.
The worst thing baseball could do is to try to cater to the slowly dying Anglo community. The problem is that the bulk of the population growth has been in immigrants and not really the kinds of immigrants who necessarily follow baseball as a rule. I think one could interest segments of the community in baseball, but it would require some fairly deft salesmanship.
I was thinking that in my original post...but as you pointed out that AAA would be seen as an insult, I would have thought that the drop to Independent Ball would be seen as even more of a downgrade and regarded negatively. If that's not the case, then CanAm would definitely be cheaper, easier to organize, and would enjoy the other benefits that Flynn ID'ed.
The people who are passionate about baseball in Montréal are insanely passionate (you would have to be if you lived here given how little exposure you get to the game). The problem is the attraction to baseball outside of that small minority. In Montréal, there are many, many more distractions (Jazz Festival, Comedy Festival, Film Festival, assorted Franco-centric festivals). Add to that the fact that people in Québec get an unfathomably large amount of vacation relative to Americans and a lot of them will leave the province while taking it during the summer. So during the peak baseball months, you almost have more tourists in town than you do locals. And now, in a city that has a critical mass of immigrants and first and second generation Québecers, they now have an MLS team to go see in the summer as well. It's just a really bad situation for growing a baseball audience.
We were on our honeymoon; we had better things to do than wander around drunk.
But, even in other circumstances, I still believe in the old maxim "if you're not in bed by midnight, go home".
I've never seen any reason to stay out late once you already have a wife/girlfriend :-)
Do they not have SAP buttons in Canada?
And, I'd rather go to the dentist than a dance club.
The thinking I've heard from Expos fans is that a CanAm League team would be something fun to take the kids to and for the baseball community to gather around. An AAA team would feel too close to being a replacement for the Expos, closing the window of opportunity.
When I was home in July I did notice a few Jays games were broadcast in Mandarin (or Cantonese? I forget).
Which, of course, reminded me of this awesome collection.
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