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Hard to take a list seriously when it has Nolan Ryan in the list of the top 50 players of all time.
#65: E. Murray. Versatile player who hit his peak in his breakout 1983 with Trading Places.
68. Jeff Bagwell
69. Frank Thomas
Hard to take a list seriously when it has Nolan Ryan in the list of the top 50 players of all time
#70: J. Marichal. Under-appreciated ace who in a moment of passion made the key mistake of not swinging the bat hard enough.
(I believe [Buck O'Neil] signed Ernie Banks and Oscar Gamble among others) ...
#49: L. Jones. Remember when he hit .364 as a broken 36-year-old and faced no scrutiny? It's nice to be white.
#34: K. Griffey, Jr. In a perfect world he is frozen in time in 1999, leaving us the memory of absolutely joyful base ball.
#90: C. Biggio. In my day, a man hit by 285 pitches dies 285 times.
#43: B. Robinson. As a rule I never found that having the reputation of "able to catch anything" paid off in the places I frequented.
Santo looks low to me too. I can't see him behind Biggio, Raines or Sosa. Thome looks too low. At first blush I don't have a problem with Halladay at #92 "already" but my "raised on 70s pitcher self" raises an instinctual objection to placing him above Glavine.
If you're ignoring steroids, how do you end up with Aaron ahead of Bonds?
They didn't put Aaron ahead of Bonds. Aaron was at 5, Bonds at 3. I was guessing what they would do, and I figured they wouldn't really ignore steroids altogether.
It's very close obviously, even closer if you give Musial back his war year when he was regularly putting up 8-9 WAR, but Aaron is ahead on almost everything and was the better all-around player (not that Stan was a slouch). Really Musial's only arguments are 3 MVPs vs. 1 and the OBP edge and I suspect the latter is partly (but not wholly) due to era differences.
when he compiled the 9.3 and 8.8 WAR seasons.
He still beats him on their top years.
While everyone can quibble here and there, the only significant ranking I object to is Tris Speaker coming in at 25. I have him at #10 all-time.
That sounds like a trivia question if I've ever heard one! Name the top 9 active players in triples at the end of the 1935 season.
Rk Player 3B 1 Sam Crawford 3092 Ty Cobb 2953 Honus Wagner 2524 Jake Beckley 2445 Roger Connor 2336 Tris Speaker 2227 Fred Clarke 2208 Dan Brouthers 2059 Joe Kelley 19410 Bid McPhee 18911 Eddie Collins 18712 Ed Delahanty 18613 Sam Rice 18414 Edd Roush 18215 Ed Konetchy 18216 Jesse Burkett 18217 Buck Ewing 17818 Rabbit Maranville 17719 Harry Stovey 17420 Zack Wheat 17221 Tommy Leach 17222 Rogers Hornsby 16923 Shoeless Joe Jackson 16824 Sherry Magee 16625 Jake Daubert 165-----58 Babe Ruth 136
Rk Player 3B 1 Ty Cobb 2952 Sam Crawford 2493 Tris Speaker 2224 Eddie Collins 1875 Sam Rice 1846 Honus Wagner 1837 Edd Roush 1828 Ed Konetchy 1829 Rabbit Maranville 17710 Zack Wheat 17211 Rogers Hornsby 16912 Shoeless Joe Jackson 16813 Sherry Magee 16614 Jake Daubert 16515 Goose Goslin 16416 Pie Traynor 16417 George Sisler 16418 Harry Hooper 16019 Joe Judge 15920 Max Carey 15921 Paul Waner 15622 Earle Combs 15423 Harry Heilmann 15124 Wally Pipp 14825 Bobby Veach 147---------30 Babe Ruth 136
Speaking of nitpicks... In the side-by-side columns comparing Ruth and Bonds, Tim Kurkjian writes of Ruth:
"He hit 136 triples, more than any active player at the time."
This is not just incorrect; it's not even close to being true. We'll ignore the fact that Ruth's career has about a 15-year overlap with Ty Cobb's, and Cobb was second all-time in triples. Even taking the most generous possible interpretation of the statement (which would be: "Ruth was the active leader in triples at the time of his retirement" (1935)), it's still not within shouting distance of correctness.
Did TK mean that Ruth had more triples than anyone active during Bonds's time (not Ruth's)?
That would make sense. Know who has the most 3B from '86-'07?
Rk Player 3B 1 Steve Finley 1242 Lance Johnson 1173 Kenny Lofton 1164 Brett Butler 925 Johnny Damon 876 Jimmy Rollins 817 Roberto Alomar 808 Ray Durham 799 Vince Coleman 7910 Tony Fernandez 7811 Barry Bonds 7712 Barry Larkin 7613 Andy Van Slyke 7614 Paul Molitor 7515 Carl Crawford 74
But if I create a top 20 offhand, it also includes a lot of playrs active in the late 50s. Is that wrong.
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