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2013 Results: Bonds, Clemens, Piazza and Biggio are elected to the Hall of Merit!

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posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:14 PM by Joe Dimino to history | 61 comment(s)

Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza and Craig Biggio have been elected to the Hall of Merit!

The timing for our first year electing 4 candidates could not have worked out better, since class of 2013 is the strongest in terms of electees that we’ve ever had. The top of the 1934 ballot included Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Eddie Collins, Pop Lloyd, Smokey Joe Williams and Cristobal Torriente, but only 2 were elected.

Bonds and Clemens were each unanimous at 1 and 2. I believe that’s the first ...

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1. DL from MN posted on December 11, 2012 at 04:25 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Hot topics - FYI I don't plan on tallying ballots but said I'd post the thread.

2. DL from MN posted on December 11, 2012 at 04:34 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mark McGwire
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker

13 players (Lofton, Sosa, Martinez) made the first cut. It's getting crowded.

3. DCA posted on December 11, 2012 at 04:50 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
McGwire
Palmeiro
Piazza
Raines
Sosa
Trammell

would also vote for 7 more if ballot not capped at 10 names:

Lofton
Martinez
McGriff
Murphy
Schilling
L.Walker
B.Williams

4. DL from MN posted on December 11, 2012 at 04:52 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

FYI - this is open to anyone.

5. Bitter Calculus Instructor posted on December 11, 2012 at 04:55 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bonds
Clemens
Piazza
Biggio
Bagwell
Raines
Sosa
Schilling
McGwire
Walker

6. JJ1986 posted on December 11, 2012 at 05:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Piazza
Craig Biggio
Jeff Bagwell
Curt Schilling
Alan Trammell
Tim Raines
Larry Walker
Mark McGwire

Would probably vote for 4 more.

7. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit posted on December 11, 2012 at 05:09 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Jeff Bagwell
Curt Schilling
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza
Larry Walker
Sammy Sosa

McGwire and Palmeiro are the guys who get pushed out by the ballot cap.

8. Famous Original Joe C posted on December 11, 2012 at 05:13 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Mark McGwire
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker

Apologies to Sosa and Palmeiro.

9. Srul Itza posted on December 11, 2012 at 05:13 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Tough ballot. I began by eliminating everyone I could not vote for, including some HOVG types who are just below the borderline. This left:

1. Jeff Bagwell
2. Craig Biggio
3. Barry Bonds
4. Roger Clemens
5. Kenny Lofton
6. Edgar Martinez
7. Mark McGwire
8. Rafael Palmeiro
9. Mike Piazza
10. Tim Raines
11. Curt Schilling
12. Sammy Sosa
13. Alan Trammell
14. Larry Walker

I could make a HOF case for every one of them. Final cut:

1. Jeff Bagwell
2. Craig Biggio
3. Barry Bonds
4. Roger Clemens
5. Mark McGwire
6. Mike Piazza
7. Tim Raines
8. Curt Schilling
9. Sammy Sosa
10. Alan Trammell

And I really would like to find a spot for Larry Walker and Rafael Palmeiro

10. RJ in TO posted on December 11, 2012 at 05:20 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

1. Jeff Bagwell
2. Craig Biggio
3. Barry Bonds
4. Roger Clemens
5. Mark McGwire
6. Mike Piazza
7. Tim Raines
8. Curt Schilling
9. Sammy Sosa
10. Larry Walker

And, like Srul, there were another four or five guys for which I would vote, if the ballot was longer.

11. Rob_Wood posted on December 11, 2012 at 05:43 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

1. Barry Bonds
2. Roger Clemens
3. Mike Piazza
4. Jeff Bagwell
5. Curt Schilling
6. Craig Biggio
7. Rafael Palmeiro
8. Tim Raines
9. Mark McGwire
10. Larry Walker

(would also vote for one, two or three others -- Trammell for sure, Edgar maybe and Sosa unlikely)

12. Jittery McFrog posted on December 11, 2012 at 05:47 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

1. Barry Bonds
2. Roger Clemens
3. Mike Piazza
4. Jeff Bagwell
5. Curt Schilling
6. Alan Trammell
7. Tim Raines
8. Sammy Sosa
9. Craig Biggio
10. Mark McGwire

Others I'd like to vote for:
Larry Walker
Edgar Martinez
Kenny Lofton

Others I'd give serious thought to but probably not vote for:
Dale Murphy
Rafael Palmeiro

13. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond posted on December 11, 2012 at 05:56 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

1. Clemens
2. Bonds
3. Bagwell
4. Piazza
5. Biggio
6. Sosa
7. McGwire
8. Raines
9. Palmeiro
10. Schilling

14. dlf posted on December 11, 2012 at 06:00 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

1 Bagwell
2 Biggio
3 Bonds
4 Clemens
5 McGwire
6 Murphy
7 Piazza
8 Raines
9 Sosa
10 Trammell

I'll admit to some strategic choices with equally if not more qualified candidates being left out by ballot-position scarcity.

15. Eric J can SABER all he wants to posted on December 11, 2012 at 06:02 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I'll be curious to see what percentage of us fill the ballot this year. I'm certainly going to.

Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker

Lofton, McGwire, and Palmeiro would all be yeses if I had room, and Sosa probably would be as well; I've also voted for McGriff in at least one of these before.

16. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew posted on December 11, 2012 at 06:09 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Tim Raines
Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mark McGwire
Mike Piazza
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmeiro
Curt Schilling

17. chisoxcollector posted on December 11, 2012 at 06:14 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Piazza
Jeff Bagwell
Tim Raines
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Craig Biggio
Rafael Palmeiro
Curt Schilling

Would vote for Trammell as well if I had room.

18. The District Attorney posted on December 11, 2012 at 06:18 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker

19. pikepredator posted on December 11, 2012 at 06:21 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

1. Barry Bonds
2. Roger Clemens
3. Mike Piazza
4. Jeff Bagwell
5. Mark McGwire
6. Curt Schilling
7. Tim Raines
8. Alan Trammell
9. Rafael Palmeiro
10. Larry Walker

1st six were easy picks, my Small Hall. last four had to battle sosa, biggio, and martinez.

20. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong posted on December 11, 2012 at 06:46 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

1. Jeff Bagwell
2. Barry Bonds
3. Roger Clemens
4. Kenny Lofton
5. Edgar Martinez
6. Mark McGwire
7. Mike Piazza
8. Curt Schilling
9. Alan Trammell
10. Larry Walker

Raines, Biggio, Sosa and Palmeiro would be the next three that I'd consider next year, and they're in no particular order since they didn't make the Top 10. I suspect I'd vote for Raines and Biggio next year but I'm not sure about Sosa or Palmeiro. In case anyone cares, I based this mostly on Career WAA, with a Catcher Bonus, and a Peak Bonus. I didn't give extra credit to extrapolate strike-shortened seasons. The Top 10 are alphabetical.

21. BDC

posted on December 11, 2012 at 07:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

A full ten-name ballot for once in my life, alphabetically:

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
McGwire
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Sosa
Trammell

22. karlmagnus posted on December 11, 2012 at 07:54 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

1. Bagwell
2. Biggio
3. Bonds
4. Clemens
5. Edgar Martinez
6. McGwire
7. Piazza
8. Raines
9. Schilling
10. Trammell

- just based on where I'd had them in HOM voting. Trammell/Palmeiro the only difficult choice.

23. Baldrick posted on December 11, 2012 at 08:18 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Martinez
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Trammell
Walker

I would love to vote for more, but those are my 10.

24. Willie Mays Hayes posted on December 11, 2012 at 08:40 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Kenny Lofton
Mark McGwire
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Alan Trammell

Leaving off Edgar, Sosa, and Walker is very difficult.

25. OCF posted on December 11, 2012 at 09:46 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Someone with an actual Hall of Fame vote should probably not post on this particular thread, but T.R. Sullivan announced his actual vote on a Dale Murphy thread. (See post #21.)

26. Moeball posted on December 11, 2012 at 09:54 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

My picks are:

Bags
Biggio
Bonds
Rocket
BigMac
62nd round draft pick
Raines
Tram
Raffy
Schilling

Wait til next year?...Lofton, Edgar, McGriff, Sammy, Larry? Wow, there are a ton of quality players on this ballot...

27. The Yankee Clapper posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
McGwire
Palmeiro
Piazza
Raines
Sosa
Trammell

More if allowed.

28. OCF posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:08 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
McGwire
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Trammell
Walker

I only voted for 9 last year, but I did vote for Martinez, McGriff and Palmiero, and I would vote for Lofton and Sosa this year.

29. you got a STEAGLES? you're gonna need a STEAGLES. posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:14 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

roberto hernandez
jose mesa
aaron sele
lee smith
mike stanton

30. Liver of blaspheming 'zop posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:14 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Craig Biggio
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Alan Trammell

31. Srul Itza posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:18 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I guess the Small Hall people haven't shown up yet. Every ballot is at max, with most voters saying they would have voted for more if it were allowed.

EDIT: Refreshed too late. OF course, nobobdy takes Steagles or 'zop seriously, so they don't count.

32. Random Transaction Generator posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:23 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

1. Bonds
2. Clemens
3. Biggio
4. McGwire
5. Piazza
6. Bagwell
7. Raines
8. Trammell
9. Schilling
10. Martinez

Sosa falls a bit short.
Palmeiro is off my list for testing positive during the season.
McGriff I can't squeeze in, nor Walker.
Lofton got some consideration.
Morris, Smith, B.Williams, Wells, Mattingly, and Murphy aren't in the running.

33. rawagman posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:41 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

In order, I vote for:
1. Barry Bonds
2. Roger Clemens
3. Mike Piazza
4. Jeff Bagwell
5. Tim Raines
6. Craig Biggio
7. Alan Trammell
8. Curt Schilling
9. Larry Walker
10. Rafael Palmeiro

If the ballot were unlimited, I would also have supported: Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Dale Murphy, Sammy Sosa

34. Chris Cobb posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:44 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

With 14 players on this ballot either in the Hall of Merit or sure to be elected in a year or two, this is, as everyone says, a ridiculously crowded ballot. I'd vote for 14 if I could, but here are the top 10:

1. Bonds
2. Clemens
3. Piazza
4. Bagwell
5. Trammell
6. Raines
7. Schilling
8. Biggio
9. McGwire
10. Walker

Martinez, Palmeiro, Sosa, and Lofton all worthy but squeezed out. Next year's ballot is going to be completely ridiculous . . .

35. jobu posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
McGwire
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Trammell (and Lou Whitaker)

36. Eric Chalek (Dr. Chaleeko) posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:10 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Piazza
Jeff Bagwell
Curt Schilling
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Craig Biggio
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire

Unlike the BBWAA balloting, the question isn't whether anyone will be elected but rather whether we might elect 10.

Sure wish I could also vote for Palmeiro, Sosa, and Walker

37. Booey posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:38 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

I guess the Small Hall people haven't shown up yet

I'd guess even many typically small hall voters could list 10 names on this ballot.

Some tough calls. I think I'll go with:

1) Bonds
2) Clemens
3) Bagwell
4) Piazza
5) Biggio
6) McGwire
7) Sosa
8) Palmeiro
9) Trammell
10) Raines

I'd also add Schilling, Walker, Martinez, and McGriff if I could. This is the first time where I've thought the 10 name maximum rule was unreasonable.

38. cardsfanboy

posted on December 12, 2012 at 01:57 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

1. Bonds
2. Clemens
3. Piazza
4. McGwire
5. Biggio
6. Bagwell
7. Schilling
8. Trammell
9. Raines
10.Palmeiro

Off the top of my head, that is in the order I would also rank them. I really wish I could have put Sosa on here, he's the one I regret not putting in here. Edgar and Walker are more or less the same player for me, and I would have to vote for both of them or neither. I just hope McGriff and Lofton continue to stay on the ballot so that I can continue to reevaluate their candidacy. I was tempted to

39. JoeC posted on December 12, 2012 at 02:02 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mark McGwire
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker

40. bobm posted on December 12, 2012 at 02:15 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Jeff Bagwell
Curt Schilling
Tim Raines
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza

41. Ivo Shandor posted on December 12, 2012 at 02:31 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Martinez
McGwire
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
L. Walker

42. BrianBrianson posted on December 12, 2012 at 05:47 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Piazza
Curt Schilling
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Jeff Bagwell
Lou Whitaker (I realise write-in votes aren't allowed, but given that it doesn't stop the actual voters, I don't see why it should stop me)

43. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy posted on December 12, 2012 at 09:39 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
McGwire
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Trammell
Walker

Palmiero and Smith are knocked off due to the extremely strong class this year.

44. AJM posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:24 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mark McGwire
Rafael Palmeiro
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Alan Trammell

Would also vote for:

Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff
Dale Murphy
Lee Smith
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker
Bernie Williams

45. Bleed the Freak posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:26 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

14 worthy players:

Jeff Bagwell,
Craig Biggio*,
Barry Bonds*,
Roger Clemens*,
Kenny Lofton*,
Edgar Martinez,
Mark McGwire,
Rafael Palmeiro,
Mike Piazza*,
Tim Raines,
Curt Schilling*,
Sammy Sosa*,
Alan Trammell,
Larry Walker,

Kick out: Lofton, Edgar, Walker, Palmeiro,

Bernie Williams is a case in post-season credit and valuation of defense...on the fence with him.

46. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:30 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Curt Schilling
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Mike Piazza
Larry Walker

Sorry folks, I'm in the extreme minority at Primer in that I will not vote for (reasonably) proven PED guys. (That means that although I'm familiar with the whispers about Bagwell and Piazza, there isn't anything approaching sufficient evidence IMO against them.) Don't worry -- I don't think Bonds, Clemens, et al. are going to be prevented from getting into the BBTF Hall of Fame by my lack of a vote.

47. Misirlou is bad, he's nationwide posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:31 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bonds
Clemens
Piazza
Bagwell
Biggio
Schilling
Raines
Trammell
Sosa
McGwire

I'd like to vote for Pammeiro and Lofton, and maybe Edgar as well. Too bad.

48. SoSH U at work posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Lofton
McGwire
Raines
Piazza
Schilling
Trammell

49. Mark Donelson posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:43 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
McGwire
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Trammell
Walker

50. Jolly Old St. Nick Done Jumped The Ship

posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:46 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

In alphabetical order,

Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Alan Trammell

I may be the only one here who votes for Clemens and Sosa but not Bonds, but we'll see. Anyway, that's got to be a pretty strong ballot for me to actually fill all ten slots.

Oh, and I'd also want to write in Lou Whitaker, even if that ballot was only used to light cigars.

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