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Player WAR GS ERA+ Age GF W L IPWaite Hoyt 53.3 425 112 18-38 172 237 182 3762.1Larry Jackson 52.5 429 113 24-37 73 194 183 3262.2Mark Langston 50.3 428 107 23-38 3 179 158 2962.2Dwight Gooden 48.2 410 111 19-35 4 194 112 2800.2Mel Harder 47.9 433 113 18-37 94 223 186 3426.1Frank Viola 47.4 420 112 22-36 0 176 150 2836.1Bartolo Colon 45.4 428 112 24-41 0 200 137 2738.0Tom Candiotti 42.5 410 108 25-41 11 151 164 2725.0Paul Derringer 39.0 445 108 24-38 98 223 212 3645.0Freddie Fitzsimmons 33.5 424 112 23-41 65 217 146 3223.2
Way back on July of 2002, the Expos gave up Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips, and Lee Stevens for 117 innings of Bartolo Colon.
A) They weren't really and B) Omar Minaya was the idiot who made that trade.
Yeah, I've always been very skeptical of that explanation. Most of us here scoffed at contraction as an empty threat, so it's hard to believe that people with much more information than us took it more seriously.
Throw in the idea of the Colon trade as a big middle finger to MLB
and then it quickly became doubly stupid when he traded Colon to the White Sox for absolutely nothing.
Both men fought the Battle of the Bulge.
The difference being Spahn won.
In 1989, the Montreal Expos, in go-for-it mode, traded a package of prospects to Seattle for hard-throwing lefty Mark Langston. Though Langston pitched extremely well, the Expos failed to qualify for the postseason, and one of those prospects was another hard-throwing southpaw named Randy Johnson.
Dave Dombrowski, who made the trade for the Expos, was not deterred. Now in his 13th year running the Tigers, he has become baseball’s king of go-for-it trades.
This July, he executed two more big deals, trading young pitchers Corey Knebel and Jake Thompson to Texas for reliever Joakim Soria on July 23 then pulling off a three-way trade in which he acquired ace David Price from Tampa Bay while shipping minor league shortstop Willy Adames and left-hander Drew Smyly to the Rays and center fielder Austin Jackson to Seattle.
“For some reason, this false thought process is out there that you can acquire good big league players without giving up any talent,” Dombrowski said this past week, during the Tigers’ visit to The Bronx. “I have not found that to really exist. I just think, if you’re trying to win, that’s the cost of doing business.”
In recent years, very few of these prospects have come back to bite Dombrowski. Not yet, at least.
Outfielder Avisail Garcia, dealt to the White Sox last year in a three-way swap that brought aboard currently injured shortstop Jose Iglesias, missed most of this season with a serious left shoulder injury.
Jacob Turner, the key piece that landed Anibal Sanchez from Miami in 2012, was just traded from the Marlins to the Cubs.
Going back to 2007, Dombrowski gave up a haul of kids, including outfielder Cameron Maybin and pitcher Andrew Miller, for reigning two-time AL MVP Miguel Cabrera. None of the players helped the Marlins significantly.
“You hear everybody say it and it’s absolutely accurate: You’re in a spot where you have to know your own players better than anyone else,” Dombrowski said.
And when we did see a top 20 guy (Addison Russell) go, it was for two rotation SP.
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