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And he was nicknamed "Indian Bob", too.
I have never heard of any case of a Native American player being blackballed from the major leagues, or organized baseball. Condescended to (nicknamed "Chief" or "Indian Bob"), sure, but the "color line" didn't apply to Native Americans.
It's definitely shitty and disrespectful behavior to take a call in that situation and never return or explain yourself.
I have no idea what Idelson's opinion on Native Americans is
Seriously? Are you implying in a passive-aggressive way that he disrespected the speakers because they were Native American? You do not know the man, so I would quickly retreat from that line of thought or any implication that a person is a racist without solid evidence.
I don't know about early Amerindian racism, but I have noticed that there are approximately zero Amerindians (as opposed to Indians from India) in MLB now, and this goes back some decades, although there were many in early MLB. Jim Thorpe pretty much puts to rest any genetic accusations. I have no idea why or when this happened, and have no memory of ever having seen it mentioned in research.
Three or four strikes me as a very low number for Amerindians, given that there were probably more than that in 1913. Of course, neither comment #21 nor #23 claims to be thorough, and the players listed are all pretty good. There might be some lesser lights in there. Still, this seems like a very low number given early MLB. - Brock
I don't know what the right level of players from a given race would be, but American Indians are 1.7% of the US population (people in recognized tribes are quite a bit lower but let's go with the highest number the census states) . There are 613 players in MLB on opening day from the US. You would expect there to be statistically 10 Indian players. The number instead seems to be 4 or so, though I'm not sure anyone is counting Puerto Rican players of Taino ancestry (who do get counted as natives.) So, yes, fewer than one would think, assuming we know about the ones out there.
I will accept the use of the word rude, but any implication of racism/racist actions has to be justified or purged from the conversation. I am sensitive to this, as once while President of my co-op I dealt with a charge that I discriminated against a prospective tenant due to their background. I won, but having to spend time and energy to prove that you are not something is a disgusting experience.
Jim Thorpe pretty much puts to rest any genetic accusations.
I don't know what the right level of players from a given race would be, but American Indians are 1.7% of the US population (people in recognized tribes are quite a bit lower but let's go with the highest number the census states) .
Which ethnic groups can be dismissed from participation in baseball based on genetics? Are Oompa Loompas a race?
I will join the debate in earnest when Senator Elizabeth Warren takes a position on Indian identity.
Really depends on how you count. I'm 1/32 Native myself. I'm sure there are many players with that much or more N.A. ancestry that we have no idea about, never mind the Ellsburys and Chamberlains with more substaintial ancestry.
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