Go to end of page
Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.
I can't recall Young's context/pretext for the "social lepers" commentary
I'm Glad You Didn't Take It Personally, in its way, is also a fine book.
“How fabulous are greenies? Some of the guys have to take one just to get their hearts to start beating. I've taken greenies but I think Darrell Brandon is right when he says that the trouble with them is that they make you feel so great that you think you're really smoking the ball even when you're not. They give you a false sense of security. The result is that you get gay, throw it down the middle, and get clobbered.”
Or it may be that he was just telling the truth as he saw it. What a radical thought.
yet they clearly didn't help Stewart, who did in fact return to decent effectiveness the next year and then got old.
Kuhn, a man who got into major legal trouble later in life
Andy, I would like to very politely invite you to go #### yourself for ruining a perfectly good thread with PED ########.
I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that while the information is Bouton's, he probably used a diary and sat for tape recorded sessions with Shecter.
I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that while the information is Bouton's, he probably used a diary and sat for tape recorded sessions with Shecter. I think the finished product more likely includes structure and polishing by the professional
Where there many other books at the time with a similar structure to Ball Four?
Bouton's book is entertaining on many levels, but you also have to see it in the context of a slew of similar examples of athletes and celebrities "coming out" within that same time span. Obviously not "coming out" meaning "Hey, I'm gay", but "coming out" in the sense that they were portraying themselves as much more sensitive, intelligent and honest about their professions than most of the people around them. I seriously doubt if Bouton was unaware that no matter what his reaction might be from the baseball establishment and many of his teammates, he'd never need to lunch alone as long a there was a self-identified counterculture still alive and kicking. IOW in many ways, for all of its truthtelling and entertainment value, Ball Four was "just business".
Definitely not. It was groundbreaking and its success and breaking the taboo led to a flood of similars shortly after.
You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.
Login to Join (9 members)
Page rendered in 0.8009 seconds, 53 querie(s) executed